Harley-Davidson 131 Crate Engine Review
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
Cycle World compares Harley-Davidson's 131-cubic-inch crate engine to the 114-cubic-inch engine.
To be able to ride into a Harley-Davidson dealership and ride out the same day with a 50-percent increase in horsepower is the goal with the new Screamin' Eagle 131 crate engine. Yes, if your dealer is up to it, you can turn your stock touring bike into a hot-rod bagger with a day in the shop. But there’s much more to this new engine than just increased peak torque and horsepower. How and where does that new power hit, and what about heat and fuel management? We picked up a stock Street Glide Special, rode it as-is for a couple of weeks, then swapped out the 114 engine for the 131 to find out.
The crate 131 engine is changed in many more ways from stock than just increased displacement versus the 114. The Screamin' Eagle 131 gets the typical Stage IV upgrades from H-D, plus a few bigger alterations. This includes 1mm larger intake and exhaust valves (when compared to Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage IV kits), a higher lift cam with longer duration and higher lift for both intake and exhaust lobes, increased compression ratio with forged pistons, steel-sleeve cylinders, a larger 64mm throttle body with its corresponding intake manifold, and high-capacity 5.5-gram-per-second fuel injectors. So while the bump in power does come largely from the increased displacement, the wide, flat torque curve and how usable that power is comes as a result of a complete engine tune to take the greatest advantage of its extra cubic inches. This is a street-compliant engine swap, and the installed exhaust system is 49-state EPA compliant, as well.
We gave the dyno sheets to Technical Editor Kevin Cameron for his take on stock vs. hop-up tuning: "The 114 engine has been given a classic H-D ‘shed roof’ torque curve-the peak of 112 pound-feet is on the left-hand side of the page at 2,500 rpm, after which it slopes downward to 70 pound-feet at 5,500. Often what this downslope means is that the smaller-diameter intake ports needed to peak the torque down at 2,500 aren’t really enough to supply the airflow the engine would like at higher revs. English engine pioneer Harry Ricardo called this ‘wire-drawing.’
“The big engine is not only larger in displacement, but has been re-cammed to give a broad ‘haystack’ torque curve, with its peak of 120 pound-feet 1,700 revs higher, up at 4,200,” Cameron continues. “This engine has more breathing capacity at higher revs than the smaller one, a result of both larger ports and the more aggressive cam.”
And that “haystack” torque curve translates to a very wide range of readily available power, peaking at 130.67 pound-feet and putting out more than 120 pound-feet of torque from 2,800 to 5,200 revs. Horsepower production is also pleasingly linear, climbing steadily from idle until it plateaus right before redline, peaking at 121.62 hp at 5,620 rpm-a massive increase from the stock 114′s 81 hp at 4,780 rpm.
In our instrumented performance testing, the 131 ran 0-100 mph 4.4 seconds faster than the 114 at 9.35 seconds, and finished the quarter-mile more than a full second faster at 12.58 seconds.
It feels healthy on the low end, although 0-30 mph times are almost identical to the stock bike. Road Test Editor Michael Gilbert noted that his quickest times on the 114 were with traction control disabled, since he could control the lower power and torque output given available traction. To get the best times with the 131, traction control was necessary to moderate wheelspin on launch due to the remarkable increase in torque and horsepower. Also, power production is shifted toward the midrange, so, in a sense, the greatest gains make themselves felt over the 40 mph mark.
On the highway, the Street Glide runs an indicated 80 mph at just under 3,000 rpm. What this means on the 114 is that, since its torque declines from its 2,520-rpm peak, it is already on the downslope at highway speed. On the 131, torque continues to climb all the way to 4,260 rpm, resulting in much stronger top-gear roll-on performance.
“These acceleration improvements from roughly 40 to 100 mph are addicting, and enough to slide your butt back in the saddle as you tuck behind the fairing,” Gilbert says. “The 131 develops a personality here not found in the Street Glide, with an attitude of ‘I’m not going to kill you, but you better hang on tight.’ This is also reflected in the top-gear roll-on numbers.”
Gilbert is totally right: This power is addicting, and so is the sound that goes with it.
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Seeing the track results from stock 114 to 131, the stock 114 did pretty good. Save the 7k and put a full exhaust and tune on on the 114.
@johnpodo
3 жыл бұрын
and performance cam as well. Better value for money.
@jake66
3 жыл бұрын
If you have the $
@Iswhatitisssss
3 жыл бұрын
Or a turbo
@derrickhenry8620
3 жыл бұрын
They say that 114 comes alive with the mods. My 113 Yamaha raider is putting down more than Harley 114
@Iswhatitisssss
3 жыл бұрын
@@derrickhenry8620 yamaHarley
Thank you Cycle World! That's how you do a motorcycle video. Professional, to the point, stats, no hyperboyle and excellent insights into doing this mod. Please keep posting.
I have a 19 street glide special and I did a stage 3 ,117 on mine with Vance and Hines power duals and os slip ons ! I’m happy with the power on that build! Good vid !!!
Gives me goose bumps. I've had a 180hp built track bike on the street. Now I have a fairly built 88TC and it feels pretty strong. Until I got on my dads equally built 110 and it blew me away so much. Maybe 20-30hp and ftlb difference. But talk about usable torque. It's all in that 2-4000rpm range. Right in that sweet spot where it pulls out of a turn like a beast. Now mine has gotta go way bigger!!!!
GREAT vid. Finally some one not afraid to show hp and tq. Most HD vids just jaw about the torque. Great video
They should come out standard with the 131 for the ridiculous price harley retails at.
@dennism1919
3 жыл бұрын
I had this same thought. There is just no value proposition with Harley. They are too damned expensive for what you get. Yes, fit and finish are very good but at some point you have to ride the thing and that is where everything falls apart. They could have been miles ahead of the game if they had just kept their water-cooled Revolution engine in play and developed it more for the touring line. Better yet, they should have brought Project Nova to reality. Just more poor decision making on Harley's part. Sad...
@ridered7394
3 жыл бұрын
In the future I’m sure it will be
@donniebaker5984
3 жыл бұрын
Paul a road king is around $25k ..so what are you saying that a gold wing is a better deal with a base price at $30k ? larger engines for cars are always an option costing more ..do you think you will get the highest HP for free when you buy a performance car ?
@donniebaker5984
3 жыл бұрын
@@dennism1919 then pay $30k for a new Honda as you could of has a new Harley road king for $25k
@paulcoote3094
3 жыл бұрын
@@donniebaker5984 in Australia the road king is $37,000 plus on road costs and tax. Ends up $39,999. Then add a stage 1, $43,500. Stage 2, $48,500. Stage 3, $55,000. OR $39,999 PLUS 131 = $59,000.
A comparison between Indian Challenger Stage 1 vs HD 131 is a must
@TheVeverocks
3 жыл бұрын
The Indian will eat it alive! I got a stage 4 Victory Hammer 116 and it's dyno tuned at 124HP at the Wheel. Yes, at the Wheel, not making things up here. How the hell they can only squeeze 121 HP from a 131 big bore engine? Just a 5000$ side badge man, and a total waste of cash. Even my old 2006 V rod that cost me 3400$ can almost keep up with it.
@ZombieZim713
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheVeverocks easy. EPA compliance and a warranty+trouble free ownership. A more aggressive cam/EFI tuning would net a nice increase. Already been done.
I have a 2020 Ultra Limited, and I put the Big Bore kit on mine and It peaked around 4400 RPM as that is where it hit 110 MPH. It was putting out 121.5 HP and 140 ft-lbs torque. It's a Beast!
@billgonzales8978
2 жыл бұрын
i get 142 mph on my jims 120 dyna oh yes 144 ftlbs 145 hp
@StrokerStevens
2 жыл бұрын
@@billgonzales8978 I don’t get that fast, however, He tweaked on it after I posted that, and it tops out at 120. He gave me an extra 10 mph. LOL
With a good exhaust and tune, I usually get low to mid 130’s HP and mid to high 130’s TQ. I’ve tuned quite a few of these.
I'd like to see you pop a 128 S&S big bore kit and see what the HP and TQ is vs the 131. I have a feeling you'll get more for less than that insane $6k price tag
@davemilbourne7761
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely more for less.... I already did it. Worth the build.
@raceboy1971
3 жыл бұрын
Way more hp and tq, but this is emissions and warranty legal, that's the difference. For the $3k in savings, who cares about the warranty, but some people do I guess.
5 King of Baggers races scheduled in 2021. It should spark aftermarket companies to produce products that trickle down to us consumers. I can't wait to see what comes out. I'm excited to see what numbers an Indian Challenger can make especially since the Powerplus 108 engine was in its first production year. Fun times await!
I love my 114. She makes well over 130 tq, and right about 120hp. If i wanted a fast bike, I would have kept my R1. My bike is set up for my fat ass, an occasional sweet , unsuspecting young female passenger, my traveling gear, and some nice mucus, to all meet on the highway, to merge, or pass slower traffic with ease. That's what 130 tq from a low ram does for you. Yes it's cool to have a "fast Harley " what ever the heck that is, bht let's face it. 900 pounds, 120 hp is never going to be in any danger of being called fast. What ever you ride, just enjoy the dam thing, and leave the trailers at home. X.O.
At 63 I traded my 2010 RoadGlide Custom for a 2020 RoadGlide S our 6 th Harley , great bike.Stage 2 Torque cam, full V&H power dual exhaust smooth, comfortable, a blast to ride. my wife, she’s 62, has a 2017 RoadGlide S she bought new traded her 2011 StreetGlide for it.These new touring bikes are so easy to operate they kept us off a three wheeler...for now ! Politics, price, corporate crap, who cares, no guarantees for tomorrow Ride Safe
@ababbit7461
2 жыл бұрын
Vincent McClain, you and your wife must be retired Government workers with all that extra cash for payments... Yep, probably retired at age 55 and are thinking you were owed that from "We the People's" money that the politician's gave to you to vote for them via your Government Union.
@auditrevor
2 жыл бұрын
I rode a 2022 road glide special and was blown away with it. Went right back and put a deposit on the 2022 road glide st with a 117 in it. I’m paying cash for it at 34 years old, definitely not a government employee lol.
Harley-Davidson, leading the way with draining wallets for the same performance out of Japanese bikes that cost a fraction. Very innovative! Reminder that you can still upgrade your 15+ year old Harley with a 143ci engine from S&S at the same cost, with 160+ hp
@PeterSmith-or3pq
3 жыл бұрын
Ol 95 in s@s with head work and 2 in to 1 vh pro pipe, lays rubber . All 👍 on my end
@kennethwise7108
3 жыл бұрын
And then you'll have to upgrade and beef up EVERYTHING ELSE along the drive train and fork out another 6 grand in aftermarket stuff that makes your bike a "white elephant". Should you ever desire to take it on a long trip and something breaks on you when you're in the middle of nowhere you're officially hosed. Keep it stock and keep your money in your pocket is my best advice.
@2004sadmanco
3 жыл бұрын
Peter Smith I run a Kuryakyn Wild-Things package (heads, pistons, cams) on my 18 year old CVO Road King 103. Making almost the same power as this. This 131 package is very low in power.
Big power for a Harley, and of course big money. It's definitely a bad ass bagger no doubt.
Thank you for the great video.
I just purchased the 131 crate motor today. I read quit e a bit. Some good, some bad, and a lot of haters from various sources. Good thing I did this for me and nobody else.
Wow.. You have like the best job in the world... Just curious how much actual time the engine swap was? Looks like it’s plug and play.. Thanks for the awesome video....
I rode my first street bike ( 1978 KZ 750, rode dirt bikes since 73) to high school and I wish Harley dealers were like they use to be when I bought my first new Harley in 1984. Harley prices today seem so damn high. Back then they didn't sell ANY clothes at the dealership I went to. So different now a days. It was also like a man cave, just blue collar guys (no couples shopping for gifts) buying parts or a bike and talking about bikes and riding. God only knows who I have offended with my stroll down memory lane.
When you talk about city driving and heat. What was those temps it reached?
So much good info 👍🏻👍🏻
128” build is the way to go for M8 owners!
@russwendt9394
2 жыл бұрын
I'm having a full 128 Moonshine Horsepower build😁💪
Thanks for the video, is it possible to swap this to a 2011 ultra limited? I know Harley doesn't recommend, too bad. can it be done?
Nice video, thanks! My only concern with this build is simple; you're putting 121 HP and 131 Torque on top of a Stock crank, compensator, and clutch basket. Something's got to fail with those Stock components, and when they, or it fails there will be hell to pay!
@Fosi94
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thought.
@GrandpaWazi
Жыл бұрын
It's the Harley way. Build to bust and build again. We've all accepted this. If you wanted reliability with performance find an old victory or Indian and bore it. I've seen 116ci big bore victory's (putting more HP and TQ than this 131) with well over 100k miles 0 issues.
@martintedrow929
8 ай бұрын
I have a 131 in a freewheeler and I had to put a billet clutch basket and clutch in before I had a thousand miles on it and I blew up My basani 2 into 1 header and replaced it with a Trask exhaust and don't ride it very far if it is over 90 degrees because it over heats big time I have street glide stage 2 114 a lot more bang for the buck
@keithkohnke
6 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Any "good service department" will let you know you NEED to build up your supporting components. Otherwise, you're going to destroy the build. It's like, let me put a racing engine into my Pinto and keep the gears the same. Lol
Dude, sorry. didn't catch ya name...so being...dude, my first time here, and I am impressed how ya break it down for folks like me, and it's all good. I don't have a bike yet, and not much knowledge of the mechanics either.Thumbs up on the like,,,,subscribe....and ALL... Thanks again!
Why not just buy an S&S motor.
@skippynj1979
3 жыл бұрын
So many guys are afraid of killing their warrenty.. the power difference for a non compliant setup is silly.
@iwannapoop
3 жыл бұрын
Why not just buy and Indian?
@skippynj1979
3 жыл бұрын
@@iwannapoop stop talking with coomon sense.. my 2020 electra glide is a money pit getting it to +160hp/150ftlbs.. but it sure is a hell of allot of fun... I'm trading in my bmw r1200rt for a challenger when i can find the right deal.. see how they compare in real life..
@mojomanmurph1925
3 жыл бұрын
@@skippynj1979 Two different types of engines. The challenger is running with an engine like the V-Rod (DOHC, Liquid cool) and having a lot of issues. Give it a few more years to see if they work the bugs out. Don't be surprised if Harley puts a bigger displacement V-Rod engine in a softail like the sport glide to compete with the Indians on the MotoAmerica King of the Baggers races. Just the way the engine is designed will be a better racing engine. They knew this years ago but customers wanted the old air-cooled V-twin.
@skippynj1979
3 жыл бұрын
@@mojomanmurph1925 i agree.. the moto America series will bring allot of innovation.. that being said... i can't eat wait😉 all the mates I know with the challenger have been having good luck.. better than my m8. Not as good as my my reliable BMW... but the bmw is getting old and going to start costing me more money than what's it's worth to to maintain.. but she had been nothing short of a great machine. The ergonomics are getting to me though with knee position as I grow older.
More Harleys! This is awesome
I’m good with my 103. I ain’t trying to break records. Smh
@itsridley8700
3 жыл бұрын
Yep bout to go stage 3 on mine, they say that’s all you need
@1donnatien
3 жыл бұрын
You and I both!
@joshmoore6165
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah well, my 88ci. is barly faster than an average car. somethings gotta give
@TaterGrabbinBass
3 жыл бұрын
Ya I have a 2020 Street Bob with the M8 107 and I’ll be doing the Stage 2 in a few weeks which will be good for now, I’ll most likely do a Stage 3 and call it good. If I need extreme speed I’ll just hop on the BMW s1000rr and get my fix (can hit 90mph in 1st gear), but the older I get the less sport bikes interest me. I’ve actually been looking for a 70’s H-D Shovel as a project bike so I may sell the BMW and try to customize an old “slow” kickstart Harley.
@gregorykarimian3813
3 жыл бұрын
Or the bank lol
That’s why I traded in my two Harley’s 18 and 19 Roadglide/Roadking Specials for an Indian Challenger, come on Harley step it up without having to spend 10k on motor and suspension and brakes
@Ratridez
3 жыл бұрын
I've been riding harleys for years , Indian is gonna be my next ride
@snakebite6511
3 жыл бұрын
My next bike will be the 2021 Indian Challenger Dark Horse. Harley is now dead to me.
Enjoyed your review and the facts. Wow $6000 for 6 mph!
@porkchopspapi5757
3 жыл бұрын
They're selling for $9000
Can you test the T143 engine by S&S?
Seeing this new bike only makes me want a 50's KHK more.
Any before and after regarding the fuel economy?
Wonder if this kit can be done to the 107 models? Seems funny to pay extra for the 114 over the 107, if it’s getting swapped out anyway.
@bryonmartin1386
3 жыл бұрын
As I understand it, You have to start with the base of a 114 to get the 131 because the flywheels are different (according to one video I watched). A 107 can be built out to a 128. But there are 114 mods with a cam, tuning and exhaust that match the 131 stock numbers. I saw a guy on you tube install an s&s 124 kit on his softail m8 wit numbers in the 140s for tq and hp. He said his new gas mileage was about 26 miles per gallon-no thank you.
I dig it 👍🏼 All bikes are cool , if you ride I consider you a brother . I own 2 Hondas and one Harley , I don’t prefer one over the other . I switch it up frequently . It’s nice to get out and ride - whichever you choose :) ✌🏼be safe
@markcurtis309
3 жыл бұрын
You are a true rider..I had a Harley and a CBR 1000 at the same time .funny the reaction I would get depending on which bike I was riding.
@keystonedaytrip238
3 жыл бұрын
@@markcurtis309 Yeah sometimes it was as if I was expected to take sides
@newtonmetres
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Honda GROM-saving up for a ROAD GLIDE HA HA!!
When are you guys putting the Triumph Rocket 2020 through these paces?
How about the difference between the 117 Stage IV and the 131 Stage IV? I had my FXDR installed with the former when I got it in Jan 2019. The Harley dealer was able to get 185.8NM (137.2 lb.ft) @ 3474 RPM / 137.7 hp @ 6166rpm out of it. (check my vids) How would the 131 compare to that in terms of rideability, low end / high end output? The numbers you were getting out of the 131 don't seem to be as high?
So can you drop this in a 2018 Fatbob?
Nice 131, imagine it will be their next base big twin in a few years. Wish HD would also focus on “the simple things” like fixing the damn pop out ignition switch problem on my 2018 Road Glide Special (when I traded in my 2008 Road Glide), instead of having my dealership tell me when I discovered the issue for myself the first time after taking delivery “Well most customers just decide not to use the column lock to avoid the problem.” Other surprise was how easy the ignition key rusts. The dealership washed the bike and placed the key in one of the dash stow boxes which had retained water from the wash, it rusted badly in a few short hours. I never remember any of these issues on my previous bikes (going back to the early 90’s) the simple things worked and lasted as designed. They also had to replace a defective voltage regulator a week after I took receipt of the new bike. Corporate HD has really lost its way, far too focused on selling big ticket add-ons to their customers vice ensuring their stock bikes are bullet proof when manufactured.
Please let someone know that Noise doesn’t equal Fast. It might be a faster Hippo, but face it. It’s still just a Hippo
@FUCKCOMMERCIALS
3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@sickoniko1876
3 жыл бұрын
Just because you have a fast bike' dosent mean your a good rider Too 😉
@dangrass
3 жыл бұрын
I think hippos around the world are offended by this comparison.
@arthurmchugh5184
3 жыл бұрын
I am impressed by them fitting the farm implement engine to the motorcycle frame !!!🤣🤣 never see me on one of those chrome air compressors!! I have put 53.000 miles on my Ducati multistrada and I still have not gassed it wide open in 1st or 2ond gear !! Fast as hell!!
@ZombieZim713
3 жыл бұрын
@@arthurmchugh5184 That sounds highly unlikely. The next owner is gonna blow out so much carbon soot when they actually give it the beans.
My biggest heartburn is why I can’t order this as a factory installed option not a dealer installed option. It’s 49 state legal. Let me check the box and have it delivered with the engine I want without having to scrap a perfectly good 114, or most of it.
@92suzukigsx1100g
Жыл бұрын
Why? Most people just sell the 114 for $3,000-$4,000 Or they keep it as a brand new backup engine in case anything happens to the 131. I know 2 guys who used their 114 for a engine swap on a older bike they have. It’s just always nice to have a spare 114 to do whatever you want.
@chrissmith7669
Жыл бұрын
@@92suzukigsx1100g I can’t see most people needing or wanting a spare engine. Maybe some but no one I ride with has space or need. Just seems for people with a single bike would prefer to just order what they want to ride and be done with it. Lol. I know that’s against the Harley marketing concept but some of us aren’t interested in constantly investing.
Well then. My bike is a 1994 FXDL with a slightly modded motor,an 80. I can afford the 131 engine but, I need to know how much I’d spend on getting it running proper.Ok I have 7,500 total. Will that work?
My 1982 BMW R65LS makes 50HP and 38 ft lbs of torque with an air cooled, two valve, carbureted 650cc boxer twin. Extrapolating out to the Harley’s 2147cc, that boxer twin would be at 165hp and 125 ft lbs of torque. For a more realistic example, (my R65 has a 7,500 rpm redline, a 2147cc engine would not be able to go that high) the new BMW R18 air cooled 1,800 cc engine makes 90hp and 117 ft lbs of torque and redlines at 5750rpm
seems you are impressed with this. well , at least you are having fun and filling your time
As mentioned many times below, be happy to ride what you ride. I had a yamaha fz6 before my harley and i enjoyed it. But i love my 2018 harley softail deluxe too. These days comfort, durability and versatility are the priorities, not so much speed. I can load it with bags and a windshield for a long trip or i can strip it down and cruise. What I like most about a harley is that it is a platform that I can modify as my needs and interests change. Upfront costs are a b!+@#, no lie there. it’s made of steel, built like a tank, and will be around for as long as i am. Now if somebody wants to give me a good deal on a 2021 ducatti xdiavel then I’d be happy to expand my moto-portfolio!
Any different break in procedures??
Would love to see that exhaust and intake with a tune on the 114 compared to that stuff on the 131. You might see those numbers will be very close.
@jasonmiller5406
3 жыл бұрын
Not even close I've done it you are not picking up any gains from an air cleaner exhaust in tune very little the 131 gave me 40 more horsepower and 40 more torque it is the difference between a supercharged Mustang and a non supercharged Mustang
@stevensarasin1663
3 жыл бұрын
Ive got 100 miles on my brand new sgs with a stage 1 and intake it’s not enough I’m considering the 131 or doing something to give it a bit more
good video,new sub
It's adorable seeing little children in the comments comparing this to a sport bike. This has a third more HP and is 2 seconds faster to 100 MPH than a Golding. In its segment, it's pretty fast.
@micahvelli_236
2 жыл бұрын
Will never understand how people can compare Harley’s to their sport bike or adventure bike… sport bikes are street legal track bikes, harleys are cruisers and tourers with the option for performance. Its like comparing a porsche gt2rs to a Ford Mustang.. makes no sense.
So theoretically, cheaper to go with a crate engine that a stage IV upgrade.. sounds a hoot.
I’d like to see the numbers across the board 107 vs 114 vs 124 vs 114 vs 117 vs 131.
If you stay with all Harley parts, using HD Pro Street Tuner & HD Smart Auto Tuner switch out to the Screaming Eagle Street Cannon Mufflers you will get 120'ish HP / 130'ish TQ all covered under 2 year warranty and Extended Service Plan which is a damn good deal. Grenade the engine and all you are out is $50 co-pay, all else is covered. Run with a Thundermax, DynoJet PowerVision or TTS tuner and a Fullsac or D&D exhaust; expect to get 150 to 160+ HP & TQ but not covered under warranty or ESP.
How’s that compare with the stock Indian challenger
Why are the lows so much lower than the 114? It wasn't until like 2.5k rpm. Granted we are rarely riding that low but in just curious why it would be so much lower
I need to find out if anyone knows if it is Euro 5 approved, does it have a TÜV certificate? Would be awesome if it did.
I'm happy with my 110 CVO anniversary springer. It's fast enough and turn heads anywhere I go. Original price when new was $36usd out the door but I got it used with only 1,400 miles and only paid a fraction of the new one. So to those who says harleys are expensive, you just lack strategy.
@steveo634
2 жыл бұрын
I have an 08 Springer CVO too, not the anniversary model but still an awesome ride. I picked mine up too used at $22,000 with 8,500 miles on it. I put in a stage 3 117 kit on it dynod out at 100 HP and a whopping 125 ftlbs. Freaking love it I've had it to 135mph no issues with death wobble or anything.
@frankp7885
2 жыл бұрын
@@steveo634 The softails don't have the death wobble. The engines are solid mount. It's a different story with the dynas.
@steveo634
2 жыл бұрын
@@frankp7885 thx brother didn't know that.
Wow! Almost as much displacement and horsepower as my Camry!!
I heard that 131 gives a lot problems. Is it true?
Will the 131 fit in a 2005 Deluxe?
as is the customary for HD, spend more to get less.
@sheryo17
3 жыл бұрын
ahahahah
@gabrielcocco5188
3 жыл бұрын
Not true, the paint job on the engine is really nice.
I built a 107" stroker 14 years ago with just about identical power numbers, making power with way more RPMs.
@kylemoore9626
3 жыл бұрын
This one passes emissions though 🤣
@mr.b3168
3 жыл бұрын
And if you tuned this one it'd be a lot more. But you can't legally. Why compare company motor to backyard builds? There's no restraints on personal builds
@Panthercholo
3 жыл бұрын
It's about why buy the crate motor when you can do better, for probably less. Not quite a backyard build amigo.
@mr.b3168
3 жыл бұрын
@@Panthercholo because warranty? Your shit breaks and you gotta spend a couple grand again.
@kylemoore9626
3 жыл бұрын
Roman Macias some people live in areas where emissions laws are enforced, and some people buy extended warranty’s or want to keep the factory warranty. Those are the people that buy these. It’s not bad for an air cooled push rod v twin. It puts a lot more power down to the rear tire than the Challenger does, although the challenger is most likely severely detuned and capable of more. When it comes to hot rod v twins, the M8 is by far the king of mountain right now. The TS and the PP aren’t even close. I have a 124 M8 with ported heads etc that put 150whp and 140ft lbs to the rear tire.
Question: will the131 engine fit a 2014 CVO Ultra with a 110?
@auditrevor
2 жыл бұрын
No, different platforms, yours is a twin cam these are Milwaukee 8 motors.
Do you ride around town on your Harley red lined to feel the power.
@ronrichards2691
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jerridabblett2082
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes
@chrisbowser2495
3 жыл бұрын
i dont have to red line mine to feel the power...
@THEelduderino
3 жыл бұрын
That’s the beauty of these large displacement twins, 110# tq at 2K RPM, you don’t even need to down shift to pass
Damn so for roughly 34k you get the performance of a stage 1 Victory. Great Job HD lol
@snakebite6511
3 жыл бұрын
People are laughing at you, not with you. I have an 07 Arlen Ness Victory Jackpot, 15 Victory Cross Country Tour and a 16 Victory Magnum and i can assure you that while Victory is a far better bike it does not come close to the HP & torque numbers of this 131. The Freedom 106 puts out about 97HP and 106 Torque, if you are doing stage 1 you can add under 5% increase.
@bigdaddypatty2420
3 жыл бұрын
@@snakebite6511 my bike made 104 and 110 with 2 into 1 torque tubez and a tuner. Cams put these bikes exactly in that 131 power range for a lot less than the price of it. So I'm not sure if you're stupid, don't modify your bikes, or just argue with any comment you see just to do it.
@snakebite6511
3 жыл бұрын
Big Daddy Patty wow, someone challenges you with actual stock numbers and you need to insult? Wow, you are a real man, your mother must be so proud of how you turned out! Moron!
@bigdaddypatty2420
3 жыл бұрын
@@snakebite6511 I've got my answer. Lol
@ZombieZim713
3 жыл бұрын
false. a 131 with the stock shit canned tune from HD makes more hp and tq than a stage 1 106. gets worse when you put a real dyno tune on it.
Very Cool Morgan 😎⚡️🤙
Can anyone answer me why they only ever mention a 114 or 117 upgrade to the 131 engine, why cant the 107 be changed over to the 131? Gee.
The SG with the $6,200 131 engine (not including the $400 intake and $700+ exhaust you must install on top of it) is 0.16 seconds and 1.2 mph faster in the 1/4 mile than the bone stock Indian Challenger... ... ...man, I can't wait to see what a stage 2 Challenger is gonna be like.
@ragingninja4292
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t know what they did wrong but my 107 rg with an aftermarket cam and full exhaust ran a 12.1 at 107. My bike dynod at 119tq and 110hP.
@furians601
3 жыл бұрын
Raging Ninja bullshit
@kylemoore9626
3 жыл бұрын
Raging Ninja aftermarket cam, no cart, and a tune that actually has fuel in it is why yours made that 🤣 why is this so hard for people to understand. This is an emission legal engine.
@kylemoore9626
3 жыл бұрын
I_H8_OLD_PPL no he’s not wrong, that’s about what stage 2 M8s with aftermarket cams make. 105-110whp and 115-120tq. I have a 124 M8 making 150whp
@kylemoore9626
3 жыл бұрын
6200 for the crate engine but you don’t have to buy the crate engine, you can just get the engine kit for for 2800 I believe. Be about 1500 to have it installed if you don’t do it yourself.
Dang. Coming from a sport bike, it's still slow AF but I love the look and I still want one.
I'd like to see a stage IV comparison between the 114/117 and the 131. Not a stock 114 to a stage IV 131
What management is a big issue 107 getting @316-331, 131 getting @320-339
What airport is that
for an additonal $10k in parts and labor, plus some mods to clutch, etc, I really can't justify the cost for the numbers you get. The Challenger's 108cu making 122hp/128tq is still faster in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But a nice engine and step in the right direction.
If Harly Davidson kept the style of their bikes but increased performance and handling - if only😔
@esprokr99
3 жыл бұрын
Ask them to liquid cool their engines, they can still keep the burble... oh the power they might actually make.
@FUCKCOMMERCIALS
3 жыл бұрын
Make them reliable as well
@snakebite6511
3 жыл бұрын
Style is what is dated, old and boring Harley needs to bring their designs and engines into the 21st century.
@SpeedTriple59
3 жыл бұрын
Agree and loose some weight..Would be a cracking package but it seems Harley just don't care..Cant see them lasting much longer...
@GabrielGarcia-qt2nv
3 жыл бұрын
They tried that, and no one bought it
U Don"t buy a HD for speed your in the wrong shop and yes HD are dear but u don't have to buy one . There's plenty of rockets out there for a fraction of the price .
@trentdawg2832
3 жыл бұрын
Yes...they are cruisers, not racers, I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend. ...that's like saying my rolls royce cost $350k but it's not fast......duh, it's a luxury car fool
@esprokr99
3 жыл бұрын
Trent Dawg except most Rolls Royce are fast, since they’re owned by VAG, they usually have TT W12 engines and AWD with 0-60 times ~3.5 seconds and can do close to 200 mph... comfortably. HD are archaic and slow, and even worse... overpriced.
@user-gj6lm9zv9s
3 жыл бұрын
@@esprokr99 preach it brother
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
3 жыл бұрын
Most HD riders "think" they're fast though. I really believe people don't hate the bike as much as they hate the delusional smack that HD riders talk.
@warrenseiboth3466
3 жыл бұрын
@@trentdawg2832 so why do idiots spend so much on the motor
I guess I never realized how much faster my F6B's were than Street Glides. What a bargain those bikes were.
@gnd111
2 жыл бұрын
Just a big bump away from steering catastrophe...lol
Is it LIQUID COOLED?
10 thousand dollars later and it's only 120 hp and tq yikes
@Derkiboi
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't my KLR 650 have more? I think like with first and second gear I think it does
@4tech69
3 жыл бұрын
@@Derkiboi It doesn't. It also doesn't weight 900 LB.
@Derkiboi
3 жыл бұрын
@@4tech69 fair enough, I couldn't recall the power band. Nonetheless it's cheaper and more reliable Overall.
@brianmaclennan561
3 жыл бұрын
Bought a 2002 ZX-9R for 3k, puts out 130hp an does 10's down the quarter mile. 18 year old bike.........
@trentdawg2832
3 жыл бұрын
No shit.....I could go blow half that somewhere else completely and be way faster and more powerful. ...
4200 for a stage 4 kit in Australia i hope that comes with better brakes with all that excessive weight
Great review ‼️👍🏽 Answered all my questions.. and SOLD🤝
Will that 131 fit in a Sportster chassis?
@cptdenny007
3 жыл бұрын
Brennon L No
Amazing 🤩👍🏼🙌🏼🇺🇸
What years of bikes will it fit????
@cptdenny007
3 жыл бұрын
Larry Ayres 2018 M8’s and newer.
131 dyno numbers seem kinda lite. Either their dyno is stingy or the one mine was tuned on is way too happy. Probably the later, my RG Limited came in at 132hp, 144tq. Has around 10,000 miles on it now, might have it checked for accuracy.
That's pretty dam good
@tylercarrell
3 жыл бұрын
Jim Mclean its not though..
What is top speed?
You didn't mention any clutch upgrades. Don't think the stock clutch will hold up. Also may have to convert to chain drive.$!!
Still love my shovel...
Seen a video the other day where a dude running a ss475 cam in a 114 outran a 131 stage 4 from Harley. Those numbers on a stage 4 is what people are getting from a SS cam. It's also crazy imo how we have to buy aftermarket non Harley parts to get the bike to sound right.
I’ll keep my stock 2008 Screaming Eagle Roadking 110!
Will that 131 bolt to a 2016 street glide?
@talkingrock7011
3 жыл бұрын
No
Well, this comment section reminds me of why I rarely waste my time reading them anymore. Thanks cycle world, enjoyed the video.
This is the fastest 2000lb motorcycle i've ever ridden. But i do find the 100 mile mandatory factory engine rebuild to keep the warranty in effect to be a bit ridiculous.
The more videos I watch on this topic the more I like my Kawasaki. And I will be leaving my 107 Harley right where it is. A very nice reliable efficient cruiser. Next you'll try to make my cruiser into a dirt bike....🤣 oh yeah their doing that too. 🤣🤣 Cheers 🍻 To each his own. Safe Rides to all.
You're joking with the leathers....right?
I put a 124 power kit in my 107 and got the same horse power and torque and if I put the S&S heads and throttle body would 150 hp and 165 pound of torque for same money and better qu
Why all the hate? We're all on 2-Wheels...enjoy whatever you want. Nothing wrong with hotroddin up a 900 lb sled. We put Busa motors in mini's...we put big blocks in old 50's 5k lb solid steel Mercury's. Petrol heads tweak and twist everything we can out of whatever we want...don't hate, create.
Does it come with an oil cooler?
@talkingrock7011
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
Sold!! I’m doing it!!
@tylercarrell
3 жыл бұрын
Ernesto Mejia why? It will still be slow😂
@jayc7644
3 жыл бұрын
@@tylercarrell because he is a sucker lol
What type of fuel are you using 93 octane ethanol 93 octane non ethanol 92 octane ethanol 92 octane non ethanol 91 octane ethanol 91 octane non ethanol 90 octane ethanol 90 octane non ethanol What brand and what’s your mileage like on it
Triumph and Ducati engineers and marketers must be scared shitless.
@kennethwise7108
3 жыл бұрын
Literally shaking in their boots!
@soorajsaikumar
3 жыл бұрын
Piss dribbling down their legs 😂
3 жыл бұрын
@@soorajsaikumar Yeah, pissing themselves laughing
@nicksokolis6343
3 жыл бұрын
@Greg Souza Sarcasm.
@kennethwise7108
3 жыл бұрын
@Greg Souza because they are EXTREMELY worried about Harley Davidson's dominance. 🤣