Is your worldbuilding hard or soft, and if it's soft, how do you use that softness in your story? Stay nerdy! ~ Tim

@pyeitme508

4 жыл бұрын

Ok...

@aaryashbharadwaj2812

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking. My magic like the ring in lotr is symbolic. But instead it symbolizes greed and the horror of the people who become greedy. Like the arkenstone.

@qayxswedcrfv1

4 жыл бұрын

Haven't gotten to writing anything yet, but thiking back about what you mentioned when it came to the importance of the hobbits being the protagonists of LOTR an idea struck me. Think about how little even real human beings knew about the world around them a couple centuries ago. This could be translated into a mysthical/fantasy world in which the protagonist is way ahead of his time and has a passion for something like cartography. He/she realizes that the boundries of their known maps are not the actual boundries of the world they live in, so the protagonist sets out to explore the world. This would provide an opportunity to consistently expand the map and add more and more interesting features, while never putting any restrains on the authors or the readers imaginations...what hasnt been discovered yet still might. You haven't seen a dragon after the first couple hundered pages? That doesnt mean there are no dragons. You could invent new races, new lore new everything, while you go on and build the world as it fits you :D

@lordvader9072

4 жыл бұрын

Mine is more like a mix of the two. I only use soft writing on certain concepts that words could not easily elucidate like the mechanics behind certain kinks in a magic system. Time Magic is one of them since I am not exactly privy to the advanced levels of Quantum Physics and the like. Thus, I make my own rules using soft worldbuilding. I only use Hard Worldbuilding for the creation of a world that readers can enter and explore, but to the point of limiting their fantasy experience.

@herbertkraft7379

4 жыл бұрын

The D&D campaign world I am working on at the moment ist hard as concrete ( or at lesat that's what I'm trying to do). I kind of can't stand not having answers for my Players or at least a vague idea when the question comes "why..."

Soft world building seems to recreate that half-sense of the world you have when you're a child

@EmilyKinny

3 жыл бұрын

This is amazingly accurate you deserve a million likes. I always wondered why I felt so nostalgic watching Miyazaki movies even though I never even saw them as a kid, and you explained it perfectly in a single sentence.

@thefaz3744

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe because as a child we didn't saw all the logic and science behind everything, like how we don't know how soft world building doesn't explain us those things

@jemimajanvier4706

3 жыл бұрын

This is super random but we have the same name 🙃

@jjs8426

3 жыл бұрын

I always disliked that feeling

@kishinumaayumi

3 жыл бұрын

Or dreaming

Soft worldbuilding: makes a world for the story. Hard worldbuilding: makes a story for the world.

@naturesfrontier1745

2 жыл бұрын

pretty much captures the whole idea. Nice

@kennyrozu6327

2 жыл бұрын

This is capture pretty much perfectly-dang, nice

@cheenis420

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put

@maxpowers4436

2 жыл бұрын

This is true. THis is why i find alternate and additional stories work better in hard worlds because we know the rules of the land.

@234fddesa

2 жыл бұрын

welp, don't have to watch the video now, thanks dude

Something I notice about the most successful soft world building examples, is the use of mundane detail. Mizakis films are richly detailed, characters eat in real time, they put keys in doors before opening them, they start engines in real time, they put shoes on in real time. They do ridiculous amounts of cooking and did I mention the eating? They even walk places in real time. This is the most profound thing about Mizaki if you ask me, although it's not uncommon in Japanese cinema, battle scenes in Akira Kurosawa Seven Samuri play out like live sporting events and there is plenty of eat and walking in that too. I think this is part of what provides the depth, the depth is given not exposition about the wider location, but by showing characters engaged in very ordinary task within the location.

@vantalim2297

Жыл бұрын

It also makes the environment relatable where they are otherwise very different from ours.

@wjzav1971

10 ай бұрын

Apparently, in Smallville, the actor who plays Jonathan Kent actively wanted any talking scene to have an action. He said that farm work is never done and a farmer would always have something to work on, so in any scene where he talks with another character, he is never shown to idly sit and talk, he always does some form of labour.

@taserrr

8 ай бұрын

So err... your take on the most successful soft world building is... That it's hard worldbuilding?

@danielsmith225

7 ай бұрын

Yea In real-time they swallow hole, enough food to feed 6 grown men in 30 seconds

@_milkysoup

5 ай бұрын

This is something I thought about while watching his new film. All his characters (afaik) have a HOME that we know of either through off hand mentions or more or less detailed visuals. It’s really neat and just having a home provides a sense of humanity and understanding of every being, not just the ones who’s individual personality you get to know.

Miyazaki’s stories are like a magical dreams we used to have in childhood. Not everything makes sense yet it all feels so real and immersive.

@TheBaldr

7 ай бұрын

Actually a lot of it is based off of mukashi banashi. They make a lot more sense if you've studied Japanese literature, mythology, and religions. In spirited away, even all the fictionalized locales, the bazar, the bathhouse, the flood train, are based on real places.

Another example of soft world building is Alice in wonderland, where you never actually know what’s going.

@junjunjamore7735

4 жыл бұрын

Add to that is the Kingdom Hearts series.

@randomcommenter7343

4 жыл бұрын

If you've watched Over the Garden Wall it has a similar feeling of "what's going on?" that doesn't exactly get answered.

@MrFelblood

4 жыл бұрын

@@randomcommenter7343 They are having a near death experience, but anything beyond that is open to interpretation. Like, what would have happened if one of the brothers had been taken by the old man? We don't know.

@johannapyle-carter8223

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Carroll's mocking of English schooling wouldn't be half as effective if there was hard worldbuilding.

@SynthApprentice

3 жыл бұрын

Alice in Wonderland actually has very little world building. There's no real connection from one place or the next. Most of the characters have no connection with any of the places. Instead, there's a lot more focus on silly mathematical word puzzles, because Lewis Carroll was fascinated by the mathematical study of logic. The setting is rarely ever of any importance beyond merely providing some sort of backdrop.

What's Soft Worldbuilding for? > Lore vids What's Hard Worldbuilding for? > Top 10 details you missed

@lukeberonio1731

3 жыл бұрын

No just more lore vids

@retrodragon2249

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say it's the other way around.

@steave1425

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say: Soft Worldbuilding > Vids portraing mostly a character to explore more general concepts Hard Worldbuilding > Series and sub series of detailed lore vids :)

@yraco1232

3 жыл бұрын

Soft world building is for lore vids? The core concept behind hard world building is creating a rich and believable world, which usually means a lot of lore for the world itself and all of the little ways things slot together.

@iferawhite7661

3 жыл бұрын

Y'all are missing the point. Lore vids wouldn't exist if the lore was actually TOLD to the viewer or reader. "top 10 details you missed" wouldn't exist if the story being told didn't include that many deep, worldbuilding details.

One note I'd add is that Lord of the Rings (especially the books) and Spirited Away both take many elements of their stories from folklore. In Spirited Away, that includes certain characters being based on traditional yōkai, the fact that Chihiro crosses over to the spirit world at dusk and that she is allowed to eat food that she is given but her parents are punished for taking food without asking. Those things may be alien to the real world, but they're alien in ways that make sense if you're familiar with folklore about spirits. Lord of the Rings feels much more like Arthurian legends, the Kalevala, the Norse Eddas, the Mabinogion- not just because they use the tropes and traditions of northern Europe but because those stories were mytho-histories about rulers and heroes who may have been based on real people or not but either way were considered key figures in their cultures' histories. Lord of the Rings is basically the last cycle of the epic that the Silmarillion started. The Hobbit feels different from LotR because it's based on stories closer in genre to those that influenced Spirited Away- bedtime stories. Jack and the Beanstalk doesn't explain why the giant lives in the clouds, neither do most yōkai stories need to explain why the Jorōgumo was living in a waterfall. But "Beowulf" is going to tell you everything's lineage because that's part of why you care about this king, this sword, this monster, that pile of gold. They're stories serving different purposes, and you get invested by different storytelling methods- explaining everything versus leaving it to the audience's _emotional_ intuition.

@kinhamid9665

Жыл бұрын

It’s not often you read a comment as thought-provoking as this one.

@Dave-zi7jn

Жыл бұрын

Omg hayao mizaki is a swiftie?

@Dunamis_010

Жыл бұрын

That's VERY interesting. Thanks for sharing.

@jotha-animation

Жыл бұрын

At the same time, Miyazaki is playing around very freely with Japanese spirit characters and yokai. I grew up in Japan and many friends turn to me trying to get an explanation for why certain characters behave in one way or an other. But often I can't tell them, because he's not pinning them down, reinterpreting them and adding characters that are unknown, like the reddish god. At the same time I also feel like the Japanese spitit world and yokai are very open for interpretation anyway, because they don't have a fixed canon of stories, myths, and legends. It's often just one character that different kind of legends evolve around. In that way they are very alive and still open for adding stories, rediscovering stories and evolving them further.

@justjoe4390

Жыл бұрын

Um, the Kalevala is NOT hard world-building. Have you ever read it? Different chapters (or runos) of the book regularly contradict each other, and literally anything can happen because the characters are constantly using magic. If anything, the Kalevala is as soft as Spirited Away.

Tolkien struggled much with his hard world building approach. He spent most of his life after the publication of Lord of the Rings with trying to fit it in the larger mythology. He wrote countless essays about seemingly trivial things like how lembas bread works, what kind of facial hair the different races have, how Numenorian succession worked. He even got into meta discussions with himself how elven immortality functions, if orcs were wholly evil and where they came from etc etc. It kind of prevented him from finishing and releasing more of his work. On the other hand it achieved the in my opinion best, most coherent and deepest lore of any work of fantasy ever.

@julespulp214

7 ай бұрын

Well put!

@lesekari

6 ай бұрын

His works are finished unfinished

not a single avatar reference, I'm impressed

@mushroom_doesnt_exist8053

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah same

@slvergle4697

4 жыл бұрын

I'm impressed and slightly disappointed

@melonlord1414

4 жыл бұрын

I think Avatar leans towards hard worldbuliding. We know stuff like the nations, their history, the avatar cycle, the politics of Ba Sing Se...

@cybersketcher1130

4 жыл бұрын

But disappointed

@SefricFrampus

4 жыл бұрын

There's enough of Tolkien's to compensate for that.

For us, Spirited Away may not make much sense. However, for a japanese audience, it does have a different signifficance, because the movie incorporates a lot of Shinto symbolism. For example, Haku is the guardian spirit (kami) of a minor river, but the spirit that Chihiro helps is the spirit of a mayor river, therefore, he is revered by the other kami in the bath house. In the japanese folklore there's already a stablished hierarchy for the Kamis. And, the kami that Chihiro helps may be hinted to be the guardian of an actual major river in Tokyo (Kanda or Sumida, I don't remember), that during the 50's was used by some people as a dump, and when it was cleaned years later, all kind of stuff was find in there, from washing machines to bicycles.

@inkbotkowalski

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I did a double take at this despite being distracted by his butchering of Chihiro's name. Those scenes tell us EVERYTHING. Even as an outsider to Japanese mythology.

@jharriger2816

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, as Western outsiders there is more mystery and the spirit world is more bizarre, while to Japanese and other people who have been immersed in their folklore, there is plenty that makes sense already and doesn't need explaining.

@krioni86sa

3 жыл бұрын

Like in the ocean, the train doesn't a bath for the monologue to pacify specially for the payment of great reverence defined by the trash wherein it is corrupted by major healing behind lose ends. Therefore it is not fleeting that which has been explored can't justify the sound through the lens and previously it also can't logically conclude to process the important crafting tools and view the works of conscious spirits. Finally, the profound aim of the obelisk prioritizes the clams and other foreign middle dips.

@radikaldesignz

3 жыл бұрын

@@krioni86sa what? ... What?

@TlalocTemporal

3 жыл бұрын

@@radikaldesignz -- It sounds like a bot made that comment...

i also find that having the main character of the story be someone who’s new to the world lends itself more easily to those soft worldbuilding techniques. having a character discover and explore the world alongside the reader/viewer creates a more immersive feeling as opposed to placing the audience in a pre established world and then catching them up through detailed explanations

@johndododoe1411

Жыл бұрын

Which is also what JRR Tolkien's popular 4 book series does within his hard built world. We follow around a child-sized hobbit that's an upper class Englishman in all but species. He lives in a modest old house with no servants except a gardener, and knows his own family and traditions. Then an old wizard of unspecified size plays a trick on a migrating band of dwarfs on a mission to retake their family business from a greedy monster, causing our protagonist to come along for the ride amongst great people and fantastic places. The second bigger story has leftovers from the first story turn out to be of extreme importance, with world elements appearing as necessary as the world is rewritten to match. Throwaway lines about distant wizards expand into a secret council of superior beings. The westward migrations of elves through forests become an epic journey to a hidden paradise. Randomly encountered disinterested pygmies are expanded to a few ancient statues inserted in an earlier chapter. Etc. etc.

@justjoe4390

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with you. Clark Ashton Smith's fantasy stories (set in alien planets, dying worlds, and dying continents) often feature purely native characters, but the stories do not waste time trying to defined everything for the reader. Every story is purely focused on the character's journey and the sheer atmosphere of the world, with little care for consistent world-building detail.

@StripedJacket

Жыл бұрын

I like both, both are great The world feels more mystical in both. One with how alive and lived in it feels b/c the character is already established somewhat, it is done well without exposition dumps. Just piecing the information together yourself, the bread crumbs left there (which is done in both tbf) Whereas a world both us and the character are new to is this mystical new adventure of learning alongside one another. It’s fun

@caz9564

9 ай бұрын

One piece

@garb8933

15 күн бұрын

its really useful but i feel like a lot of shows/movies/games/books can do it in a really lazy or uninspired way. isekai anime are the worst offender of this, where the main character is usually transported into a fantasy world from tge real one, but often have little to no personality or actual interaction with that world. a good example i can think of is breath of the wild, the protag link loses his memory after sleeping for 100 years, but the story revolves around those memories and how link rediscovers the world and how it has changed

Here’s a wild concept: hard-build your world but tell the story as if you soft-built it. Then as time goes on in your series you can reveal more and more of the world. Don’t make later “clarifications” like Rowling. Instead show it as your reader picks up the next book.

@user-ps5hx9wp2j

Жыл бұрын

Neil Gaiman once said “write down everything that happens in the story and then in your second draft, make it look like you knew what you were doing all along”. So yeah, nice advice🤣

@goldencookie5456

Жыл бұрын

One Piece was initially presented as soft built. But over time, it became hard built. Revealing more and more of the One Piece world in smart ways over the course of 1000+ chapters is a part of why One Piece is so great.

@papillon465

Жыл бұрын

@HY 314 I love you

@elephantheart9988

Жыл бұрын

Literally what I'm doing with my series

@jamieadams2589

Жыл бұрын

That's just hard world building. The other method for hard world building would be an all encompassing info dump at the beginning I suppose but they're pretty rare

The scene where Chihiro cries while eating a rice ball....this always makes me tear up. The first time I saw it I balled my eyes out... because I've literally done that. Holding everything thing, trying to stay calm in turmoil...then eating something so comforting..it just breaks you down and releases you from the tension.

@swimmyswim417

3 жыл бұрын

For me, it’s the scene where she goes to Zenbaba’s home. The music, the lighting, the overwhelming feeling of coziness... I first watched Spirited Away at my grandma’s house. My grandma was basically like a third parent to me growing up, and all that love and comfort comes rushing back whenever I get to Zenbaba. And I always cry.

@jonathanrocha5274

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I had a rice ball to eat...

@PartanBree

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can imagine it's something her parents would give her to eat, and it's so familiar and normal in the middle of all the overwhelming strangeness. Rice balls often seem to carry that sort of resonance in anime.

@Shabazza84

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. This scene defined the movie for me.

@warricklow4218

3 жыл бұрын

Especially since the rice ball is the only thing that binds her back to her reality and routine, in a world where she is out of her comfort zone, constantly surprised, fearful and alienated from.

Soft Worldbuilding : Let's the characters make the world. Hard Worldbuilding: Makes the World a character.

@angrypepe7615

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit that's such a good way of putting it

@moniqueloomis9772

3 жыл бұрын

Then based on this wouldn't Spirited Away be classified as hard worldbuilding? That's what I thought before watching this video. I don't agree with this channel's analysis. Especially when he used a culture that isn't his own as the center of his argument.

@lockheart619

3 жыл бұрын

This explains it best

@syzygy9725

3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! I JUST SCREEN-SHOTTED THIS

@The-Opium-Den

3 жыл бұрын

@@moniqueloomis9772 Feel free to disagree with the thesis of the video, but you're being unreasonable claiming he has no right to use the PRODUCT of a foreign culture to flesh out his argument. That's like saying I have no right to argue modern Chinese goods are trash due to poor quality control because I'm not part of the Chinese cultural mindset. Your argument comes across as disingenuous to say the least. (I'm Chinese Canadian by the way. People in my community make judgments based on others' products all the time.) An alternative summary would be: Soft Worldbuilding: We're free to analyze and interpret the world on our own. Hard Worldbuilding: Author wants you to see the world a CERTAIN way. I think Hellofutureme did a great job with this video. He used famous examples of media we're familiar with to drive home his point about how one can go about constructing a fictional world for people to explore. The man wasn't trying to maliciously appropriate somebody else's culture or goods for personal gain. He just wants to inform budding or aspiring writers what tools they have at hand to build their worlds. They don't have to construct it as elaborately as Tolkien did if they don't want to.

I just want to say "... in the middle of an endless ocean made by rain, with a train running through it like an artery." is a hell of a line. Damn.

@Novarcharesk

Жыл бұрын

Waxing poetic with no real reason is just distracting.

@jyjaeskz

9 ай бұрын

​@@Novarchareskoh my god I've just discovered people sometimes have different tastes

Something I love about the ghibli films is the fact that places just exist. Outside of our main cast, life goes on. Like the other towns the magic door in Howl's moving castle leads to. There are just other places in the world. I feel as though most other stories make a big deal out of other places just existing.

The Hobbit, taken as itself, is soft world book in a hard world universe, and it works well.

@TS-hw7ro

3 жыл бұрын

Alec Joseph exactly but he already made a insane amount of sketches and notes about the world before he ever started on the hobbit

@emmaboeckelmann2576

3 жыл бұрын

The Hobbit was in the beginning, if I remember correctly, nothing more than a bedtime story.

@derinwithaq5811

3 жыл бұрын

That explains why I like it so much more than the original series

@goat6354

3 жыл бұрын

@@alec8182 The hobbit didnt borrow anything from the simarillion. The silmarillion was written after the hobbit.

@artofthepossible7329

3 жыл бұрын

@@goat6354 That was when it was published. It had been in the works since the late 1910s.

Soft world building really helps capture a “child-like” wonder. The floating city of Laputa in Castle In the Sky is a really amazing example. I watched the movie for the first time at 18, and it made me remember what child wonder felt like.

@StealthyTNT

3 жыл бұрын

That's the *exact* same way I describe it too: "a child-like wonder". I'm in my early 20's, and I watched Castle in the Sky for the first time this past week. As I was watching it, I noticed a very 'magic-y', warm feeling. I noticed my eyes widen, and a wide smile form across my face just looking at the scenery and the magic/technology. I explicitly thought to myself, "I feel like I'm a little kid again".

@johnnyunderhillproductions8346

3 жыл бұрын

@@StealthyTNT Exactly.

@alexandereick1260

3 жыл бұрын

i like to call that childlike wonder in any type of setting as something violet. Playful, yet somewhat deep and mysterious.... violet is full of wonder

@danlei88

3 жыл бұрын

I played the video game Ghibli was helping to make, Ni No Kuni, and it felt the same as watching Ghibli movies. Childhood fuzzy feeling of wide-eyed wonder! The Ghibli method clearly works for that, no matter the medium of their art.

@estebanamieseste783

3 жыл бұрын

Castle in the Sky and its floating city Thewhore is really a good movie

one thing I love so much about soft world building is how many times you can rewatch a film and find something new every time. I have watched howls moving castle so many times and every time I find a new little detail about how the world works and it makes the movie even more beautiful every single time.

@lesekari

6 ай бұрын

That happens with hard world building too lmao

When I play DnD with my friends, I love to use soft worldbuilding elements as a DM. The players can then create there own interpretations and act accordingly. I also want there characters to have "a" goal. In this way, I feel like we are building a world together which is more immersive to them.

@chaonis24601

2 жыл бұрын

Any advice on how to do soft world building as a DM?

@nottodayjunior5276

2 жыл бұрын

Would love advice as well on how you added that into your story?

@tiph3802

2 жыл бұрын

This is the way.

@sharo8760

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about role-playing a lot while watching the video and I think that while for a singular campaign soft world building works and is collaborative, in general there needs to be a hard-built foundation too, in this case the dnd dramework of the rules and the kind of things that the world of a specific campaign allows. I don't think it can work if the approach is soft building only.

@poetwarrior7153

Жыл бұрын

Hard world building works perfectly fine as well with DnD as long as you don't use too much exposition or hand out 20 page guides to the history and geography of the world at the start of the campaign. There are ways through adventures and interacting with npcs to explain history and rules of your world in bits and pieces. The key is to leave most of your world blank so if the players have a character concept or a story they want to pursue you can always fit it in. If you know the world building of your campaign not the players it gives you a foundation to respond when the players ask questions. It's not soft versus hard that is important it's the willingness to allow the players their own say on the world.

I feel like what makes Spirited Away so good is that it's literally like a dream. You don't understand why things are happening, you just fill the holes with your own interpretation and imagination. Like why your dog was apparently flying but unknown creatures were also chasing him? It's weird but so imaginative and great to think about.

@speedycube3239

2 жыл бұрын

what the dog doin'?

@-guitarhero

Жыл бұрын

@@speedycube3239 we have found the answer at last.

@fafau06

Жыл бұрын

@@-guitarhero yea, but who let the dogs out in the first place?

@amypond1867

Жыл бұрын

I hated the movie for that exact reason: I didn't understand why things were happening and I couldn't grasp onto anything. That's why I like Lord of the Rings better, because it punches you in the gut with reality.

@thatonepossum5766

Жыл бұрын

Oh gosh… thanks for reminding me of that old nightmare of being chased by swarms of cockroaches that were also shadowy demon puppies (yes both at the same time).

Some of the world-building elements in "Spirited Away" are actually just Japanese mythology and Shintoism; for examples, if you're Japanese or familiar with the mythology a bit, a hopping lantern doesn't really need any more explanation than a vampire does, and the ideas about pollution and spirits have a bit of a Shinto vibe. That being said, any kind of mythology allows many interpretations and worlds based on them, and "Spirited Away" is definitely still pretty soft.

@Mr.Nichan

3 жыл бұрын

@@1250ou In Japanese folklore, a tsukumogami (tsukumo=tool, gami=kami=supernatural being) is a household object that is animate, i.e., one that can think and move around. Often some sort of physical transformation, such as growing a tongue or eye or foot is involved and depicted in art, although Miyazaki seems not to have gone with this very much. It's unclear whether any tool that gets old enough (100 years old according to some) will become one or whether these are actually tanuki/foxes that have transformed into inanimate objects and lived as such for long enough that it becomes there normal form. (Note that the shape-shifting abilities of tanuki/foxes are a well-established part of Japanese folkore.) When I tried to look up the specific yōkai that this is, I noticed that the standard one for lanterns is typically depicted as footless, while the one for umbrellas has a foot. Both hop around and typically have one eye and a mouth with a giant tongue sticking out. Maybe I was confusing multiple tsukumogami when I thought that the Spirited Away version was a fairly normal representation, but I do think I have seen ones that look like that a lot (although I might be confusing it with some kind Will-o'-the-Wisp-type thing from British/Celtic folklore). The traditional Japanese chōchin-obake lantern tsukumogami is footless simply because traditional Japanese chōchin paper-lanterns hang from above rather than standing on feet. The Ghibli-like hopping lantern, which I think I have seen depicted with a tongue and eye before, would be a natural tsukumogami for more modern, western-style, outdoor lanterns that stand on one leg. Thus, maybe I actually have seen it a lot in modern Japanese media like video games and such, but I just can't find it in descriptions of older, more traditional, folklore, since it's a more modern extension.

@DirtyRobot

3 жыл бұрын

The Japanese framework for story telling is even the root of most of the popular game franchises. Setting up a world that is only explained by your level of participation and even then leaving many unanswered questions, is a part of traditional Japanese folktales.

@wooa2100

3 жыл бұрын

actually spirited away has a very different meaning to it. the artist himself was dissapointed in his own people for not understanding it. if you research into the japanese edo period and bath houses, you’ll find that spirited away is not soft at all. in fact, all his productions are not soft at all. it’s easily missable because of it’s beautiful and light palette animation but once you look past that, it’s a lot more dark.

@semiotikos1576

3 жыл бұрын

@@wooa2100 The thing y'all are missing is that even if Miyazaki totally intended on the entire story being completely explained by Japanese history/mythology (and I highly doubt he did), the fact that the story doesn't tell the readers itself and opens itself up to broader interpretation is what makes it soft world-building. What makes a story soft vs hard world-building is the degree to which the story itself explains and justifies its elements. There will always be context in every fictional world, as every fictional world has its own influences. Knowing that context doesn't change whether a story is or isn't soft world-building simply because someone who doesn't know that context, or even someone who DOES know it, can still believe in a completely different interpretation while not neglecting a single element of the source material.

@wooa2100

3 жыл бұрын

Sakere oh, this actually makes a lot of sense! didn’t think of it this way.. thank you for broadening my perspective!

Hard world building isn't necessarily "making a story for your world." It's a scenario where the world itself is the story. The world and its history are major characters.

I want to propose a third alternative: "hard immersion." Frank Herbert uses this to great effect in the original _Dune_ trilogy. The reader is immersed in a coherent world, but the rules are not immediately apparent, and there is very little explication. Thanks for an excellent video.

@shabr1ri

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never read the trilogy, so how would you say it differs from soft or hard worldbuilding? For contrast, I sensed the movie to be more soft, with many systems already being in place and-as you said-being left unexplained.

@buddhabillybob

Жыл бұрын

@@shabr1ri Most aspects of the world become clear and make sense given the history of the "Duniverse," but the reader must assemble the pieces. There are few "exposition dumps." If the reader doesn't do the work, then the world remains mysterious.

@user-ps5hx9wp2j

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t read the books, but as far as I understand, Dune has a hard building world. All details are explained and logically connected. The fact that the author does not explain them immediately is just a mean of storytelling. He hides some aspect, but makes us discover them later (probably we only know what the main character knows??) Still, the world itself is detailed and logical. That’s what I’ve seen in a movie, so correct me if I’m wrong🙏🏻 (and sorry for poor English)

@buddhabillybob

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ps5hx9wp2j That's a pretty fair assessment. The world is very coherent, but the way the reader gains an understanding of this world is unique.

@corycastleman6351

Жыл бұрын

I experienced that with "His Dark Materials" Trilogy

to be clear: Tolkin didnt create elvish for his world, he created his world for the elvish language bc he realized a language can not exist without the world being that speak it and hece without a world the speakers live in.

@bethzilla44

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve read this quite a few times and I have absolutely no idea what it says

@moltenclay

3 жыл бұрын

@@bethzilla44 Tolkien was making a cool language, called elvish. But languages don't pop out of nowhere, they reflect the people they come from, so Tolkien made a people, called Elves. From there middle earth was created. Elvish came first, everything else was the context for Elvish.

@doppelrutsch9540

3 жыл бұрын

@luigi mario Tolkien Elves are sufficiently different from their mythological counterparts they might as well be original. In some translations of LOTR like german for example they even get a different name.

@moltenclay

3 жыл бұрын

@luigi mario Oh I'm aware of that aspect I meant his Elves, not Elves in general.

@arielamaro2710

3 жыл бұрын

unnecessarily complicated wording smh lol

I think Avater the last Airbender is a case study of how soft and hard worldbuilding can interact. The 4 nations and all that are very hard worldbuilding defined, but the moment we touch the spirits, they become unknowqble and mystical

@alien2383

4 жыл бұрын

Also, the world of the four nations, its clearly logical and everything make sense, but not everything that the creators established is explicitly said to de viewers, i know is not exactly soft worldbuilding but it borrows some of its strenghts and it is great, this is also immersive and it feels real too, we dont know everything in our world, we dont need to know everything of this fictional world.

@deponensvogel7261

4 жыл бұрын

Avatar is pretty heavily hard.

@jasonschuler2256

4 жыл бұрын

@@deponensvogel7261 The Legend of Korra is. But The Last Airbender has A LOT of soft world building aspects.

@erictat1346

4 жыл бұрын

@@alien2383 Remember Hard-Soft Worldbuilding is a spectrum, not one or the other. I think Avatar is more on the hard side, but contains some soft elements as well.

@princessthyemis

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

H.P.Lovecraft basically uses hard worldbuilding at the start of his stories and then slowly switches to soft toward the end.

@gimp7194

Жыл бұрын

Yo this comment is really fucking good

You're so right! When I first watched Howl's Moving Castle, there were so many things I didn't get, but I still loved the movie. I've found that the more times I rewatch a Ghibli movie, I find more tiny hidden details that add to my love of the story, even though they weren't necessary.

"You don't need to feel compelled to justify everything you create" I really needed to hear that I've been spending so much time worldbuilding (three years actually) that honestly i put off actually writing and drawing for the longest time HAHA Thank u I should just Do It

@merrittanimation7721

4 жыл бұрын

I've struggled with the same thing.

@MasteringJohn

4 жыл бұрын

You do need to justify everything which is relevant to the plot, I think. Deus ex Machina and sudden, unexplained protagonist power-ups are dreaded elements in fiction for a good reason. But Gene Rodenberry doesn't need to justify how a medieval society like the Klingons' got into space, and George Lucas doesn't need to justify the practicality of lightsabers.

@melonlord1414

4 жыл бұрын

Remember that writing is an iterative art. You can just write something that makes sense in the moment. You can (and most likely will) change it later to fit the rest of the story and the world you built anyway. It's good to have a solid foundation, especially if you use hard worldbuilding. But the world you create should never be a cage that restrains your imagination. So it probably makes sense to start writing after you have a proper world that you like and create your story. If your story and the world you built are inconsitant, you probably shouldn't stop writing to fix every little detail, but you should take a note somwhere to fix it later on. You might find that many solutions are solved with a few little changes or that problems solf themself later on. In some ways, that is what makes sequels hard, that you can't (at least not easily) change the things you already established.

@jojonono27

4 жыл бұрын

That's good tho, because now you have an intricate and meaningful backstory that you can selectively season your story with. Give the reader little relevant bits

@nicholasbryson1271

4 жыл бұрын

Good for u man

I think your assessment of the soft world-building of Harry Potter is one of the big reasons why it became such a huge fanfiction fandom - the world-building was so open people could think up a lot of creative stories because it had so much space to do so in.

@TheMimiSard

3 жыл бұрын

As for my own world-building, well I have a world I keep notes on, on my Dreamwidth account, but it's a combination of being inspired by Tolkien, and Dungeons and Dragons. Hell, the founding essay I wrote about it was done from the perspective of it being the thought process of creating a homebrew gaming world concept. Since then however more of the Tolkien has gone into it in the form of porting over characters I RP'd with a friend on Twitter, and every so often writing more posts about various details that come to my mind, including of late, an Avengers port, because I wanted to throw a little sideline Stucky romance into it. Because of the D&D inspirations, further development of this world concept would probably be a combo of D&D world-building style, and me keeping on throwing out various little in-universe stories that way I have been for the last few years.

@JadestonePony

2 жыл бұрын

But I also think it had just enough rules and consistency in it that it laid a solid foundation for all that creativity to springboard off of. Some of Miyazaki's stories for example, have so much less to go off of in the worldbuilding that I actually have a much harder time imagining new stories and ideas for them than I do for Harry Potter. In Harry Potter you still understand that there's a school with four houses, and you know the names and subject matter of many of the classes it offers. You have knowledge of very specific spells they can use and methods of transportation, as well as a general sense of how the society is structured with the Ministry of Magic and some of its specific departments, what their legal system is like, what their journalism is like, etc. There's actually ton of structure given by the worldbuilding, but there's still plenty of open space left over that you can fill in with your own imagination. If we take Kiki's Delivery Service as an example though, you barely know a thing about witch society or how their magic works. You know that they fly with broomsticks, and that their emotions and the quality of the broom affects flight. You know they can do fortune-telling (but don't know how), and you know they can make potions, one of which is good for rheumatism. Children witches can talk to their black cat familiars, and they traditionally go out for a year of training when they turn 13. There might be fewer witches in the world than before, and Kiki's mom is "President Witch" in her rural hometown. That's it. That's everything. Most people are not theorizing quite as much about about Kiki's witch society (though there are probably still some who do), because you'd probably have to build most of the system from scratch yourself if you wanted to explore that more. Plus if you did write a story about, say, another witch in the same universe, unless you put your own character in the same city as Kiki's, or made them interact with specific characters from Kiki, there'd be very little about your story that would tie it to the original. tl;dr -- I think Harry Potter struck just the right balance between hard and soft worldbuilding that it became a perfect ground for lots of fan creativity, because while there's lots of freedom to work with, there isn't so much freedom that you practically have to invent most of the world yourself.

@sophie427

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

@RescueRapscall2

Жыл бұрын

crys in fanfic

@Caledoniadream

Жыл бұрын

Though Tolkien's fandom is much greater.

To me, Ghibli movies are like a euphonic phantasmagoria of whimsy and the sound of rain, the loving embrace of warm lights, the soft melodies overflowing with nostalgia and pleasantry. That childlike wonder captured and bottled into one sequence of piano notes. So simple, so kind, yet so very melancholic, so very wonderful.

Off-topic, but Chihiro is one of my favorite characters ever. Besides being simply ADORABLE, her compassion and growth throughout the story is genuinely inspiring.

@slevinchannel7589

Жыл бұрын

Writing-Advice-Sources, can i recommend you some?

I still love that tolkien wrote the hobbit cus his son was fact checking him on continuity errors 😂😂

@John_on_the_mountain

2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien is one of the greatest writers ever in history. He will be remembered 2000 years from now the way we still remember Homer or Dante

@UntoTheDepths

2 жыл бұрын

@@John_on_the_mountain who?

@mango603

2 жыл бұрын

@@bubbletea695 Dante's a poet of the 1200 A.D. He is known for his "La Divina Commedia" which is a poem where he wrote in triplets (the metrics system, is this right?). Basically la Divina Commedia is a journey between Hell, Purgatory and Paradise. He was accompanied by Virgillio (a Roman Poet), Beatrice (which is important because it's a figure we find so much in his writing. She's a angel women if you know what it is) and Saint Bernard. Basically in la Divina Commedia Dante roasted some of his contemporary and people from the past, from Popes to even Ulysses. His writing is important because basically so much of the west's conception was made because of him, and by the way he even influenced people like Shakespeare, which is the base of English literature.

@rizkyanandita8227

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the Hobbit are the one who came first.

@UntoTheDepths

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizkyanandita8227 he Hobbit was his first book, written and published after decades of world building and years of tell his kids bedtime stories.

A prime example of soft world building which I had to think of: Over the Garden Wall.

@hbluemole6941

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect example!

@trequor

3 жыл бұрын

That show is criminally under-appreciated by the public. It's a modern Halloween, children's classic.

@helenadasilva9371

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought! I just love how mysterious and odd the world is. So sad they removed it from netflix, would have loved to see it in the fall...

@eyesack6845

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, that show was way too short.

@epicgaming7813

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a great example

Although I’m not a writer I have continuously come up with stories since I was a child. I noticed more recently that I keep questioning the whys of how my story or imagined world works. And it gets to the point where it’s no longer fun to imagine a story because I keep poking at the details and asking how does that work. Thank you for introducing the concept of soft world building to me. I think keeping that in mind will help me enjoy the stories I come up with rather than me feeling like I need to add unnecessary details.

Consistency is still very important for Soft Worldbuilding. You can't change the rules without a good reason, because those rules _are then_ the emotional core of your story. Once it's established that Kiki's magic is directly related to her mood, that defines the main conflict of the movie. Chihiro's is constantly confronted by new and strange things, but they're always called back on later to cement those things in the viewers mind and provide future context for what's possible within the Spirit World. Food and how you get it is an important touchstone. The fact that every spirit has a purpose and that there is some kind of hierarchy is what drives the plot forward, even if we never get to find out what purpose each spirit's purpose is or where they fall on that hierarchy. Chihiro is forced to find purpose to continue living within this world, and finding Haku's purpose fulfill's the main emotional arc, even while the plot still has to play out. Worldbuilding is built on the reuse of material. Something happening once is trivia, something happening twice is worldbuilding. Harry Potter is a series that (more or less) made the transition from one type to the other(despite how Rowling may hate the concept) because of a buildup of those ideas. She started with whimsy, but eventually the rules of the Wizarding World became too numerous to continue adding at the same rate that she did, so she instead played on the rules she already had in place. When Dobby was introduced, House Elves were a fantastical thing, but over the course of Chamber of Secrets we learn all of the important rules that govern their service. By the end of Deathly Hallows she has twisted and turned those rules so that we've seen every facet. And it's still slavery, but what are you gonna do?

You feel like a cool uncle and the smart friend mashed up into one person.

@sugondese5497

4 жыл бұрын

This is something that I never knew I was aware of until you summed it up for me.

@racoonlittle1679

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that u referred to him as an uncle is... um... showing his age a bit too much.

@MagusMarquillin

4 жыл бұрын

@@racoonlittle1679 Uncles and Aunts can be younger then their nephews and nieces, or not that far off. Besides, what's wrong with age? ...Not that he seems to old to my 30 something perspective...

@majesticmundanity

4 жыл бұрын

Dang it. Now you made me wish he WAS my uncle

@ginge641

4 жыл бұрын

A good friend will end up being a cool uncle to that person's child.

Someone: What do you look for in a- Fantasy Writer: Worldbuilding Someone: ...I was going to say partner Fantasy Writer: *Worldbuilding*

@yesididitverywell

3 жыл бұрын

Fantasy readers too lol

@undeniablySomeGuy

3 жыл бұрын

if they haven't been worldbuilt, can they even *be* a partner?

@kellyfremlin4051

3 жыл бұрын

Yes🙂

@chowrites6179

3 жыл бұрын

How THEY worldbuild lol

@reapermaster1233

3 жыл бұрын

Fantasy writer: DID I FUCKING STUTTER

While Howl's Moving Castle is my favorite movie, Spirited Away has a special place in my heart. I love how there are so many elements to the world, and not all of the elements affect the story line. It almost feels like a dream when you watch it.

My favorite form of worldbuilding is when both are used, when sound histories and logic are established for the world, but later added on to and expanded as the story progresses and as the characters learn more, so do you, and suddenly that rigid predefined world becomes fluid and changing, leaving you wondering what fills those open spaces left in the world, speculating what is really possible as the logic and rules previously established are bent and broken.

I love that my teacher sent this link into our creative writing class, for an exercise, love your stuff as always!

@slevinchannel7589

Жыл бұрын

Writing-Advice-Sources, can i recommend you some?

I like the idea of spending a lot of time doing hard world building and planning out your world in extreme detail but then write it purposely leaving some of that detail out.

@YodasPapa

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't know who it was but some fantasy (?) author was saying you should know way more about your world and characters than you use in your book. Probably Sanderson.

@brycedecker7142

2 жыл бұрын

@@YodasPapa idk about Sanderson… I took a worldbuilding class from him and his advice was to not worry about creating every little detail in your world but instead maintain a vague idea of everything and create specific details only around the story you tell- basically fake an intricate world without actually having to do the work😂

@praxusjoon2478

2 жыл бұрын

@@brycedecker7142 do you find that to be odd considering how great the worldbuilding is in his books? maybe he knows what hes talking about 🤔

@Poonchow

2 жыл бұрын

Iceberg principle: The audience sees the part of the icerberg above the surface, but the entire iceberg is what you've come up with.

@brycedecker7142

2 жыл бұрын

@@praxusjoon2478 oh nah I’m fully convinced that’s the way to go. He’s just a master of making everything seem so deep and intricate without actually having to do the work- explains how he gets so many books done so fast

The main reason I like LotR and Tolkien's works in general is because of the MOOD that the fact that there is an intricate tapestry of world-history behind every setting, every item and every character gives me. So I wouldn't say soft worldbuilding is the best at creating a mood; though indirectly, if hard worldbuilding manages to create the impression of a world-history, that is the strongest mood (to my mind) that literature can provide.

I noticed that Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind was mentioned as an example of soft worldbuilding. Perhaps that is true of the anime. But the anime is based off the manga of the same name. And the manga goes into some incredible depth regarding the world that the anime just barely scratches.

@AbtinRohami

Жыл бұрын

i didn't even know that it was manga. i felt like there is a lot going in the world and seems like there should be a background story (because the way the move narrates the story, everything has reason and logic behind it to some extend. but won't see most of it)

Thank you for putting into words why watching Miyazaki's movies feels like such a magical experience

@TomorrowWeLive

4 жыл бұрын

To me they're like the best kind of dream

@olafmeiner4496

4 жыл бұрын

When I first watched Spirited Away, my only emotional response was confusion. Nothing made sense to me. Not the world. Nor the plot. And least of all the characters. I was looking for logic. Anything to cling to. And was only bombarded with more nonsense. It was a deeply unpleasent experience. At least now I understand on a logical level what other people find so great about the movie, even if I will probably never share their opinion.

@mcnassy

4 жыл бұрын

@@olafmeiner4496 while that was not my experience, I can completely understand why that was the case with you. I recently went on a binge and watched 12 out of the 13 Studio Ghibli works of Miyazaki and I feel that in order to enjoy his movies, you have to suspend disbelief and go in without prior expectations of where the story might go and without getting too bogged down by the nitty-gritty details. A lot of his movies have relatively simple premises so the characters' emotional journey is at the core of the story. The animation and music are also (imo) equally important aspects to enjoying his movies. TLDR to enjoy Studio Ghibli movies you should follow the wise words of the great Guru Laghima and "Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the void" lol

@brainzpvz2592

4 жыл бұрын

@@olafmeiner4496 well I first watched it when I was like 5 so that's probably why I didn't understand it at all. It was so weird to me I just accepted it as a crazy fever dream. I also remember being scared of Noface. I rewatched it recently and now I absolutely love it. I love all the absurdity of it, and the end is kind of heartwarming and wraps up the story nicely imo. If you ignore all the crazy stuff the story is pretty simple and relatively easy to follow. But i completely get why you wouldn't like it. It is very weird and can be hard to process at some points. Maybe try rewatching it again if you haven't recently.

@Allyourmonkeys

3 жыл бұрын

@@olafmeiner4496 That's so interesting! I re-watch Spirited Away occasionally and when I did so the first time with my SO I just gave her this instruction as we sat down to watch: 'you know that feeling when you're in a dream and while you're experiencing everything it makes perfect sense? Then when you wake up and look back at it you feel like it was bizarre? Go into this movie as if you're dreaming, because that's what it feels like'. It's just so captivating and somehow deeply connecting that I (even to this day and with this video explaining it) can't quite figure out why the movie makes me feel so 'right' without making any sense. I should note that I have very, very weird dreams at times. It could well be a way that brains are wired.

I’ve been trying to put my finger on this for so long, saying, ‘Stop throwing proper nouns at me,’ ‘Stop pausing fights to explain how they work, just let me get caught up in the unbroken motion,’ ‘Leave me asking “What the fuck did I just watch?” because my attempts to unpack it will have me talking about your story for years.’ And this finally narrows it down. Soft world building. I’ve grown up in a media culture so focused on hard world building that I over-explained so many of my younger stories and wondered why I wasn’t capturing the silent wonder of special art pieces like Ghibli films. There it is. In most things these days, I’m a big fan of Team ICO’s ‘design by subtraction.’ A minimalist setting that says that one moment in time between two people, without any words exchanged, can be enough for a story. This can be so delicate that extra detail leaves it bloated. Enjoy the silence.

@iferawhite7661

3 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. Some people don't like the confusion of Miyazaki's works, especially Spirited Away, but I always found it enchanting and engaging. During other movies, if I spaced out for even a second it would suddenly feel like 1000 years had passed--same with books. Hard worldbuilding can work but it also leads to terribly boring scenes sometimes, and info-dumping. Missing or forgetting just one detail could skew all the logic of a hard-built story, but in works like Spirited Away, you can hardly forget or miss a detail in the first place because your brain soaks in what little information it gets and tries to form conclusions. It's an incredible way to keep your audience engaged.

@Drakonflare

3 жыл бұрын

@@iferawhite7661 I immensely enjoy the old Ghibli movies, but the comparison you make is rather unfair. A 'Hard' world should not get bogged down, should not suffer from pacing issues, should not endlessly info-dump. Comparing mediocre hard worlds to the absolute prime of soft worlds does not make a point. Although I do acknowledge that epic fantansy as a genre, until about 20 years ago, considered those aspects as a necessary evil (some books just do not stop with the exposition). But that happens in both soft and hard worlds. In both LotR and HP, so to speak. By now there are stories that organically weave the world-building with the story. Both are journeys filled with discovery. But where one is filled with wonder, the other is filled with understanding. Both are great when done right.

@iferawhite7661

3 жыл бұрын

@@Drakonflare Yes, I agree. I never said that all "hard" stories were bad, I just noticed that often times I find softbuilt stories more engaging and easy to follow. Both can be bad or good, but in general with my short attention span, I prefer softbuilt stories :)

@DiegoMartinezCoria

2 жыл бұрын

I've found that giving the necessary details and nothing more seems to work best, because if you're not careful, you can end up painting yourself into a corner and then it's time for a rewrite.

@literaryloser4470

2 жыл бұрын

There's a video I saw some time ago where someone discussed the present of silence in samurai jack. It's very interesting I'd give it a watch, your last sentence reminded me of that.

A great example of soft world building in games is Sky: Children of the Light. There is no clear story and it leaves you to wonder and imagine what happened in that world.

@andrewfortmusic

4 ай бұрын

And its predecessor, Journey!

14:58 THAN FOR THIS 🎯💯😭📚 I wrote myself into a corner trying to over-explain & justify every little thing... no more!!!

"When worldbuilding, you don't need to feel compelled to justify everything that you create." I'm learning this reeeaaally slowly as I keep writing. I get so overwhelmed with details about my worlds that by the end of it all I'm just like, "ok, so what happens in the plot?" And I struggle with characters and plotlines because my consciousness is always "it has to make sense." Thanks for putting this advice to words!

@nehukybis

3 жыл бұрын

If 2020 has taught me anything it's that nothing anyone does has to make a lick of sense.

@TheArtofWorldBuilding

3 жыл бұрын

Another thing people worry about is getting it right when we really need to be plausible instead.

@dilaisy_loone2846

3 жыл бұрын

Hannah Atela what I do is create the world first, and make the story later.

This reminds me of why Over the Garden Wall is so compelling

@williampym3741

4 жыл бұрын

Over the Garden Wall is the only successful western attempt to recreate the tone and atmosphere of Miyazaki's work.

@abg5381

4 жыл бұрын

Over the garden wall's logic feels exactly like the poems and tales of old folklore, 'a bird snipping it's wings off with a pair of magic scissors to become human again' makes -perfect- sense in a fairytale with the freedom that the fairytale environment affords you. If traditional magic is the promise of getting something from nothing then the conception of hard-soft sci-fi is the intrigue of finding out how close to magic you're getting in storytelling.

@NobodyC13

4 жыл бұрын

@@abg5381 Or in The Wizard of Oz, where the Wizard gave the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion placebos instead of symbolic representations of the things they wanted. For the Scarecrow, he stuffed his head full of putty to give him "brains" and securing them in place with needles; for the Tin Man, he opened his chest and placed a silk heart inside like you would do with a Build-a-Bear; for the Cowardly Lion, the Wizard fed him a green drink and just told him it was a "courage potion."

A really interesting educative video. However, I think you are talking about Ghibli from a Western gaze. If you know about Japanese culture or Shintoism, it is quite simple to identify those spirits and what they represent in Japan's folklore. As for other films such as Kiki, Miyazaki adapted a few Western author's books, so we would need to go to the original pieces to determine how much Miyazaki descarded from their world-building. I'm thinking about Tales from Earthsea

I've been watching this channel for over a year and a half, and my worldbuilding professor in college just used this video to open the course. Just goes to show how good your content is, Tim

You just explained to me why ghibli films, always felt like watching dreams.

@SuperSecretAgentNein

3 жыл бұрын

Dunno if you’re a fan of David Lynch but his shows and films have a similar dreamlike quality, though that dial is cranked to the nightmare end most of the time.

@jacobmoore6567

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly read some Japanese books, Kafta on the shore by Murakami is a good choice. It’s so surreal and dreamy and quite mundane at the same time

I've just realized, that Tolkien made am elfabet!

@faaaszoooom6778

3 жыл бұрын

Majd ELFelejtettem.

@evecampbell3069

3 жыл бұрын

Ba Dum Tss! 🥁 (That was terrible, I love it.)

@retrodragon2249

3 жыл бұрын

__But it's not an alphabet it's an abugida.__

@Kittsuera

3 жыл бұрын

plot twist. that pun is what drove him to do it.

@heyokaikaggen6288

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my God, you didn't...

This was so well done. I started watching for just a few minutes and ended up watching the whole thing. So intriguing. Brilliant storytelling.

This video brings dark souls to my mind. That game has a lot of lore that is explained and logical, yet just many things that are just there for artistic or symbolic reasons. It really does a good job balancing the hard and soft aspects of its world.

Hard world-building: the author immerses the reader Soft world-building: the reader immerses themselves

I've always felt that world building works best when the Author knows how the world works, why things do as they do, but don't feel the need to justify how the world works to the audience. That way there is a hard constant for the rules of the world that isn't broken, and the audience is able to figure it out as they read, not because it is ever said to them but because the story and world never breaks those rules, but lets the reader in on the ones that are important for the story as necessary. This also means that if a story continues across multiple books that you have less world inconsistencies, and the readers are able to piece together and theorize about how your world works. I will be the first to admit that my thought processes is flawed, it isn't going to work for every story, but it is a personal view. It combines some of the elements of hard world building (admittedly leans heavily that way) where you had consistency and hard rules that once the reader understands is able to follow, but it maintains some of the ability to pace and flexibility of soft world building.

@songbanana8

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I don’t need everything explicitly explained to me but it should be internally consistent because the author has thought it through. That’s why Harry Potter is so frustrating-later additions undo or contradict previous statements. While learning more about Ghibli movies doesn’t undermine what the viewer understood before.

@bullrun2772

3 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Dimmock yay

@CMTechnica

3 жыл бұрын

This. Yes. Agree. Leave the mystery, keep the hard rules.

@atsukana1704

2 жыл бұрын

This is very much the definition of ahowing not telling, something that everyone can benefit from using in any media, be it writing, video, or speaking. There is so much good to it, you let the person feel a part of the place you are illustrating by letting them experience it rather than just hearing a lecture about it. It is the essence of what we do as we truly grow up and experience the world, we learn by what we see and what we do.

@noabsolutelynot4587

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's also important that the author not push their own version of the world that they created outside of their book.

I think I needed this video. My hard worldbuilding aspects of my story has really been dragging down the writing process. I think it might be best if I let some of that go.

@Jessica_Jones

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking along the same lines for my writing! I've all but given up on a certain story because my logical brain wants everything to make sense, but this video has actually encouraged me to try out a bit of soft worldbuilding fantasy and just let loose 😃

Excellent video! I like how you use examples from both books and film to explain the difference. I think most writers stick to soft or hard worldbuilding, but there are a few like myself who combine the two into something else. Cause if you really think about it, to the characters living in that world for their entire lives, the rules of magic use or fictional creatures or whatever, are normal to them. Therefore I keep these general things in mind: 1. Dialogue drives the plot and/or discusses rules of magic/creatures/social structures in a common knowledge way. 2. Characters and readers learn simultaneously. 3. Objects, locations, plants, animals, people, can all resemble the real world and still be different at the same time. (Such as explaining something enough to make logical sense, but not over-explaining so the reader can't follow it all). 4. Don't dump the whole world on the reader. Let the reader discover it and live in it with the characters.

“Something enchanting” Studio Ghibli Sounds about right.

The soft worldbuilding conception and examples reminds me of Over the Garden Wall which is also a perfect example

@lightsandlights6983

2 жыл бұрын

That is another good example

@rimjhimdhusiya699

Жыл бұрын

Ayoooo was looking for this , I really love the way over the garden wall is done . I like it more than Miyazaki's films , his films are awesome but I do think his story heavily depends on visuals. His films stories as I have grown older seem to lack a lot depth in the character , maybe it's cuz of lack of time but they really do look like shells of people plus there are a lot of character ,OTGW on the other hand really let's it ho , they mainly focus on the two children and Beatrice and let's everyone else blends in the dream like world making them not stand out as much as the side characters do in Miyazaki's films.

This was an absolute treat to watch. Thank you very much, I took a lot of ideas to put towards my own endeavours.

I always thought about how Howl's Moving Castle we are essentially following someone's story in a much larger world. Like there's an all out world war going on and the theme of death and loss is just a single camera-pan away but instead we follow the personal struggle and story of Howl and Sophie.

I feel like movies like Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke are maybe a lot less soft in their worldbuilding when you are already familiar with Japanese mythology and shinto.

@Myrdin90

4 жыл бұрын

I came to the comments section to make this exact point. But that doesn't make the movie any less good at all and that's one of the great things with it.

@eoincampbell1584

4 жыл бұрын

But aren't most mythologies and religions as stories essentially soft in their worldbuilding?

@karlfredrikhonningsvagg6303

4 жыл бұрын

Actually miyazaki has stated on several occations that he goes out of his way to not reference japanese mythology or folklore in his stores, so No, probably not.

@parasocialbondsmetaswvoits9078

4 жыл бұрын

​@@eoincampbell1584 exactly

@Wrendymion

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlfredrikhonningsvagg6303 I'd say he probably references mythology and folklore from all cultures. The idea of the forest spirit having two distinct forms depending on the time of day is similar to the world spirit(?) in Michelle Paver's novels, so I'm sure it must have some origin in real life mythos.

"Everyone can make a movie with logic." If only...

@seanwoods647

4 жыл бұрын

I write expert-systems AI software. I regularly run into stuff best described by Chaos theory. Really complicated interactions of seemingly simple systems. Logic... logic has flavors.

@thelvadam2884

4 жыл бұрын

hmm

@EC-rd9ys

4 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah miyazaki has way more faith in people than I do!

@tumamaencosplay

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, if by logic he means to just put together a set of coherent tropes, sure, it's not that hard for semi competent people. But creating not just whole coherent worlds, but characters that interact with it in a way that makes sense according to their established personality, AND THEN, you are able to guide them in a way that both entertains and sends whatever message/emotion you want to the audience, SUCCESSFULLY. Yeah no, the logic necessary to do all that outside the bounds of proven tropes ain't easy, specially because over-reliance of established sets of tropes loses their effect on the audience over-time. And just trying "subvert expectations" can backfire even harder than just doing the expected if poorly executed.

@tomf3150

3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating.

I want to thank you for this great video, not only was it exciting to watch, it also helped me to remember some ideas that I couldn't write down the last time and of which I thought I've lost them for good.

I was assigned to watch this video for my theatre costuming class and wow this has me thinking so much!

Hard world building is ninja gaiden. Soft world building is Yoshi’s Woolie World

@MagusMarquillin

4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty literal for non-literary examples - LOL!

@SapphireSolstice67

4 жыл бұрын

WOAHSHI, ITS A DOUBLE YOSHI EXPLOSHI !

@demonzabrak

4 жыл бұрын

@@SapphireSolstice67 This comment gets better every time I read it.

@larryfoulkeofficial8609

3 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Douek or star wars in general

@larryfoulkeofficial8609

3 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Douek Legends lore was pretty good tho

"There are more profound things than simply logic that guide the creation of the story." -Miyazaki

@MATTierial

3 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to save this for later

This helped me so much, I was literally struggling with this in my manga.

I was having trouble figuring out why I was stuck in my writing, and you just put it into words. I feel like I've been given a crucial piece of the puzzle that is the writing process. Thank you so much.

Hard Worldbuilding: Invite the readers to discover what is Soft Worldbuilding: Let the readers imagine what could be

I've been writing for twenty years and this literally shifted my entire paradigm on worldbuilding. I thought _everything_ needed to be explained, but it doesn't have to bed. Sometimes going overboard with worldbuilding is a good thing, depending on how you tell your story, but not everything needs to be insane. I love worldbuilding personally, but honestly, soft worldbuilding may personally be more of my thing. I'm more of a character-driven writer. I love explaining things, but I also love mysticism and mystery.

@erictat1346

4 жыл бұрын

Characters can be the driving point of both hard and soft world building. Look at Full Metal Alchemist. The logic is all there, but you add interesting characters to use that logic to achieve their goal.

@mene1in

4 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend you watch Brandon Sanderson's lectures. He uploads them on KZread. He really goes into this topic. He called it a hollow iceberg: Put in just enough detail that the reader believes the author thought of everything without the author wasting time on thinking of everything.

@BeefWagon

4 жыл бұрын

Same here (not the twenty years part just everything else) I always read/hear critics complain about how nothing is ever explained and somehow, that makes a movie bad to them. As if the movie is trying to pull the wool over their eyes and say, “just accept it.” But the soft world building is not just trying to get away with anything, it’s just as if the viewer/reader were part of the world the whole time and to question often would be like if someone who spoke English all their life asked what language they speak

@Elsenoromniano

3 жыл бұрын

Also you have to think about theme and genre when choosing one over another. A murder mystery or political drama often requires a harder world building than horror or fantasy romance, just by the virtues of the types of stories and themes they tackle. SoIaF has to have a pretty hard worldbuilding regarding the society in Westeros for the backstabbings part of the story to work, the same with the Watch series for Pratchett is more grounded than other parts of Discworld because murder mysteries need clear rules, but Stephen King books often have very soft worldbuilding because well, not knowing what to expect is a big part of horror or Princess Brides where the emotions and the thrill is what matters and the details are that to give flavour and uniqueness to the story.

@MissShembre

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeefWagon Thank you for sharing your insight on movie critics. I realized after watching this that I do a lot of soft world building, and am having a lot of trouble getting short stories published anymore due to editors getting flustered by not knowing 'the answers' (even though they often guess the correct answer, so it's not me doing my job badly.) I'd rather not insult a reader's intelligence by telling them everything.

I have recently discovered some of the movies from Studio Ghibly, and I fell in love immediately with them. I noticed as you explained, that the way the world was conceived generates an atmosphere/mood that hooks you the entire movie, because you want to know more about that world, discover those unique places, contemplate their beauty and see what the characters do inside them in order to continue with their journey. It's not only fantasy but also pure adventure, if you think about it.

super interesting stuff. I personally love these kinds of videos and hope youre able to keep doing this. Thank you for all the hard work

Is it just me, or are you deliberately trying to remind J. K. Rowling of her own words on this subject? Fantastic video, as always!

@Msoulwing

4 жыл бұрын

It did strike me as incredibly ironic when I heard that quote XD

@jhonejay1426

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly wonder if they (Miyazaki included) watch some videos that their fans make, especially to get better, even if they see themselves in one lens but are praised in other lenses, do they see videos based on those other lenses

@tumamaencosplay

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, while I can kinda agree that the soft worldbuilding of HP does have to do with the clarifications sounding dumb, it's not really in the way he thought. She's basically trying to pretend she planned all that and just hid it from us, but rather, she just came up with those things 20 years later and is trying to sound smart and/or progressive for whatever reason. It's like trying to pretend she planned a city from its subterranean level all the way to its sky-crappers, when in reality, she just placed some buildings where it looked pretty at the time, and everyone else just kinda build their lives around them. Even if she now tries to puts a monument where it kinda looks neat, and thinks in retrospect should've always been there, houses and parks are already there, and just throwing the monument from the sky on top of that both looks awkward, and will piss people off. Quite honestly, I don't think she TRIED to make a soft worldbuilding, I suspect her full intent was to create a HARD one, but by accident created a decent-good soft fantasy world, its accidental nature more easily noticed when she utterly murders it with later unnecesary additions (not just the new tweets, how Abada kedabra reduces all ofensive magic to voice-commanded guns, free teleportation makes flu magic tunnels irrelevant, so on and so fort).

@someonexd1961

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhonejay1426 i dont think so, atleast not miyazaki he doesnt even watch movies

@TorianTammas

3 жыл бұрын

@@tumamaencosplay JK just did not think through the consequences. She just threw stuff in she found, some is well done and a lot is just not working.

I've been trying for a while to define why certain settings (such as Harry Potter) seem to take readily to fanfiction, and others (such as Sanderson's works), don't. I wonder if what you are discussing here is part of the reason for that: that "soft-built" settings can take more readily to fanfiction because the world is more flexible and there is more room for secondary worldbuilding, whereas creating fanfiction for a "hard-built" setting is more difficult because everything is interconnected, and so it's hard to change one element without having to tear apart and rebuild the entire system. I'll have to think more on this...

@pancakeandwaffle4849

3 жыл бұрын

Also none of Brandon Sanderson’s work has been adapted into a feature length movie. Say what you will about the movies but they brought a lot of people into the world of Harry Potters, a lot of people only started reading the book after watching the movie and i know people who only watch the movie (either because they feel no need to experience the story again in book form, books compared to movies is a lot less approachable as many people prefer actually hearing and seeing compared to reading). Also soft world building is a lot more suitable for casual readers, not everyone can be a avid reader and not everyone is interested in intricate world building, a casual reader can just jump into Harry Potters, follow along the journey and be marveled by the wonders of the world and not think much about it. In contrast to fully enjoy Sanderson work you must keep in mind the rules set by the magic system, pay attention to details, cues and implications about the magic system and world building which isn’t the most fun thing to people who haven’t read much fantasy

@IlIIlIIIIIlBrianSt0rm

3 жыл бұрын

@@pancakeandwaffle4849 Same goes for the Marvel Universe, as much as certain people hate movies for how they portray original source material, they are arguably the biggest medium we see the source material in. Reading is far more niche than movies are and like you said, movies help people get interested in the original source material.

@peachesandcream8753

2 жыл бұрын

You can say the same about LOTR. A lot of people haven't read the books but the moment they watch the movies they get invested because it allows Tolkien's world to truly come to life without the really heavy worldbuilding aspects. Soft-worldbuilding is great for more audience engagement because it doesn't get bogged down in details which a lot of people don't want to put the time into remembering; this is why soft-worldbuilding novels usually recieve more widespread popularity than hard-worldbuilding. ATLA blended hard and soft perfectly which is why we're still talking about it.

@John_on_the_mountain

2 жыл бұрын

@@peachesandcream8753 whats ATLA?

@peachesandcream8753

2 жыл бұрын

@@John_on_the_mountain Avatar: The Last Airbender

Been looking for something on this for a LONG while! THANK. YOU.

Been researching what worldbuilding is for the first time today and stumbled upon this video. So useful. Thank you

Tolkien: creates entire languages and civilizations. Also Tolkien: I’ll call it “Mount Doom” 🙃

@spacedinosaur8733

4 жыл бұрын

But we do tend to do that too. Center Street, And where I grew up we had Tabletop mountain, why...because it looks like it is flat from the the ground. Also some other words have a very simple/basic meaning. Oahu in Hawaiian meant “The Gathering Place”...take a couple guesses to figure out why it has that name?

@LadyAneh

4 жыл бұрын

Commodore Stargazer It seems like it’s the only place named like that, though...if you look at a Middle Earth map, everything else in the region is named with the created tongue. 😅 I mean, the mountain has a proper name, sure, but no one calls it that. They seem perfectly happy saying “Osgiliath” “Ithilien” “Ephal Duath” “Minas Tirith” and “Mordor”, that one mountain, though...”Doom” well, if you say so. 😆

@MadManchou

3 жыл бұрын

@@LadyAneh "Mount Doom" is known as Orodruin, or Amon Amarth to the people of Middle-Earth. It is however translated, like "Middle-Earth" itself, because it is important within the context of the story that the reader understand the word. Understanding what Ithilien or Minas Anor mean is nice, but doesn't bring you much information except for lore. "Middle-Earth" informs you of a central element of the conflict : the elves going west (if ME is in the middle, there has to be something elsewhere) ; you can also understand it as the world of men being in between the land of the gods (Valinor to the west) and the land of Evil (Mordor to the east). Similarly, "Mount Doom" clearly signifies that this mountain is hugely important to the story, as it is where fate unravels (where the power of the Dark Lord was forged, casting doom upon the world, but also where the world is liberated from his influence, where Doom much like Apocalypse take their earlier meaning of revelation and enlightenment rather than only the modern sense associated with dread).

@LadyAneh

3 жыл бұрын

Franz Patrick I know Mount Doom has a proper name (as I say, they don’t use it) but actually Middle Earth doesn’t necessarily refer to its location on the globe, as it’s named after Midgard, or the realm of the mortals. While Valinor is a bit more like Alfheim...it’s not quite somewhere with the same rules as Middle Earth. After the fall of Numinor, a human on their own couldn’t just sail there. It’s another realm, separated from Middle Earth by Eru Ilúvatar. I just think it’s funny that out of all the made-up words, he chose a name that’s so mundane to be used on a regular basis. I find it humorous, regardless of any reasoning.

@MadManchou

3 жыл бұрын

As I commented, "Middle-Earth" has both logical (such as elves having somewhere to go by moving west) and thematic (such as humanity / mortals being placed between good and evil) implications. It is indeed also a reference to norse mythology, where it already had a strong thematic meaning. -- Also if Valinor is anything, it is Asgard, as the land of the Valar, i.e. Top Gods, like Asgard is the land of the Ases. It also *used to* be a definite part of the world, before the Valar cut it off at the end of the Second Age.

It's funny because if you read the Nausicaa manga it reads a lot more like a hard world build story. The level of detail Miyazaki goes into in the manga is insane.

I think there's one very important point regardless of where you land on the spectrum: Create with more depth than you intend to describe. It is clear that Miyazaki has given more thought to the characters psychologies than is ever revealed by the plot, and that Tolkien built a deeper world than described in Lord of the Rings.

This channel is a blessing! Thank you!

The only "clarification" I really like was Hufflepuff being a party house and their common room being closest to the kitchens. That made Hufflepuff my favorite house.

I thought that worldbuilding means that we have to have everything explained in the story or else the readers will say "HA! plot holes!" while reading. I'm never this glad to be wrong.

@mslightbulb

3 жыл бұрын

No, it’s in the name. You build worlds, small pockets. A plot hole is more like a missing link between point A & B that feels like it should be explained but isn’t. Like “how did character A regrow their leg when character B cut it?” and it’s never explained. Not a plot hole would be “I wonder why the rivers in this world have the color purple” it creates a believable world and may lead to fan theories, but it doesn’t take the audience out of the film, or get them confused. Or maybe I’m wrong, who knows. I sure don’t, I’m still a student.

@oremfrien

3 жыл бұрын

@@mslightbulb This is exactly correct. A plot hole is a failure of the world to be logically consistent and, therefore, we as readers/viewers come away saying, "Why does X work now when it didn't work before?" or "Why does the character do X when Y was a perfectly suitable alternative?" A perfect example is how, in "Deathly Hallows", Bill explains to Harry that he has become the secret-keeper for Shell Cottage. This begs the question of why James Potter did not make himself the secret-keeper of the Potter home all of those years ago. Previously, we've seen it to be the case that a secret-keeper has to be outside of the place being kept a secret, which makes sense because it makes the Fidelius Charm imperfectly protective and explains why James needed to trust Wormtail. However, Bill's explanation makes all of this unnecessary. That's a plot hole. Conversely, Quidditch scoring, which makes no real sense, is not a plot hole since it does not conflict with something else in the lore. It's just a wacky and idiosyncratic part of the magical world that Harry has discovered.

@keloid123

3 жыл бұрын

Real life have plot hole itself.

@epicgaming7813

3 жыл бұрын

Ax9 not really

@jonathanrocha5274

3 жыл бұрын

The fear of creating plot holes is one of the factors that keep me away from writing -.-

A lovely analysis. It really sums up the heart of why I love Spirited Away so much. It's all about that sense of wonder. Thank you!

Great video, enjoyable reflection and contemplation. Thanks for putting it together

Nobody: Tim: "Gibli, Shishiro."

@havva233

4 жыл бұрын

Do not forget "Howl's Moving Council"

@thegoat5409

4 жыл бұрын

Considering how much thought it seems like he put in the video , I wonder how that happened 😅

@wreckitremy

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, do we know how those names are pronounced in the original japenese?

@rogue123987

4 жыл бұрын

​@@wreckitremy As someone who is learning Japanese I can assure you that Chihiro is definitely not pronounced like that.

@bluebell4004

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, idk where you guys are from, but saying 'gibli' seems to be fairly common in Australia/New Zealand (where Tim is from), I know I said 'gibli' for YEARS before being told it was ''jibli'. Dunno if that's a thing but yeah

I find it hilarious that you found a JK Rowling quote of her supporting "Death of the author".

@l.c.7168

4 жыл бұрын

She used to be very in favor of it.

@lpawowp

4 жыл бұрын

Didnt Daniel Radcliffe write Harry Potter?

@camille7528

4 жыл бұрын

There is no authorial intent in Ba Sing Se.

@lpawowp

4 жыл бұрын

@@camille7528 i took a trip to lake laogai

@ScaryMason

3 жыл бұрын

Neon Genesis Evangelion does jumping-jacks over the line between hard and soft worldbuilding. And when people ask the series creator (in interviews or whatever) to explain it, yeah he just trolls them.

Incredible video and message. Thank you so much for sharing this.

Great artists like Miyazaki can create worlds with emotional truth that resonate without explaining how they work. The central conflict of the story is an emotional conflict, so that's the thing that needs to be resolved for audience satisfaction.

Spirited Away is *absolutely* beautiful, even watching it in my 20s it almost feel like when my mother read me a bedtime story. It somehow invoke a memory of my imaginative childhood mind that no media has ever managed to achieve

I appreciate the effort and thought that went into your analysis, great job!

this really help me in my story, love u man!

This is a really fascinating study of the use of soft and hard world building and the possibilities and intensity of each to help improve and deepen the understanding of story. Most of my stories are a sort of mixture, the elements that are important to the story itself are used that would be the harder worldbuilding elements, but the rest is usually soft. Great study as always!

One of my favourite soft worldbuilding is The Last Unicorn. I watched it as a kid, and I vividly remember how mystified I was by half the things that happened in it. Basically all the magic that happened in the movie was random stuff, a lot of it by mistake, but it served a point - to teach life lessons via character arcs and development. And also, thicc trees.

Thank you for making content like this. I subscribed to your channel. Please make more good content. More people need to see this. Most people feel something when watching or reading stories but don't know how or why they feel the way they do. So personally, I think you're in some sense a hero, for making the sorts of content you make. I wish you good fortune in your future works and life.

Awesome video, thank you ! Best one I've seen this year so far 👋