No belt fed. No grenades No Rockets No Artillery No Air Support You arent John Wick Hit and run is the only way. The longer a fight goes on, the more chance you are going to get hit.

@lewis9888

18 күн бұрын

John Wick is all fake anyway. Keep training and keep Prepping my friends.

@FederalMenace

17 күн бұрын

It's actually better to fall back and draw your enemy into chasing you. Advancing is harder than retreating and causes more casualties.

@Dennisrader-ff9gv

17 күн бұрын

@@lorneiggulden7123 that plus sabatoge, and booby trap. Stopping logistics is the primary goal in the future scenario.

@3rdreichball525

17 күн бұрын

Especially if you are alone, and there are too many unknown variables. If you don't know who it is or how many it's best to get the heck away. Only go foward when it's under your terms, and not theirs

@MrCobb-rq8iv

17 күн бұрын

Better Not to be seen and Not heard , let the danger pass.....

Water and magazines are the two things you don't want to run out of.

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

And sanity.

@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011

20 күн бұрын

And tourniquets...

@PewterC5FRC

20 күн бұрын

@@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011 And ass wipes.

@andrewmoore7586

20 күн бұрын

⁠@@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011 IF I have to worry over the # of Tourniquets I brought, then I TRULY F-ed Up & deserve my fate.. 🇺🇸

@DontTreadOnMyLiberty

13 күн бұрын

​@@Brett235welp, half of us are already screwed then! 😆

You will die with the equipment you carry. You can die with a two empty magazines or eleven empty mags around you. Be hard to kill.

@klee1410

20 күн бұрын

I mean, you could also die with two empty magazines or die with 11 full mags exactly where you put them because you went into the woods carrying nothing but an sbr with an eotech. I get wanting alot of ammo, but the average civilian is fine with a red dot/holographic for home defense and night vision... and that's about it. For any other use case a good magnified optic is much more of a force multiplier than having 4 more mags.

@MorningTurd

20 күн бұрын

Right, im sitting on about 1400 rounds and 3 556 mags 3 22 LR mags and 3 pistol mags red dot and magnifier and no night vision lol​@klee1410

@travisodr6393

20 күн бұрын

I require an ammo supply point

@johnlogan5152

20 күн бұрын

@@MorningTurd more mags !

@bernieeod57

19 күн бұрын

@@MorningTurd Which will carry you through how many mag dumps per firefight? SHTF! There is no re supply

Shooting in the direction of a target as opposed to shooting at a target is the main reason so much ammo is used in military conflicts. That is the difference between the number of rounds fired by those on patrol who find themselves in fire fights and the number of rounds fired by snipers. Rule of thumb is one can never have enough ammo but how much one can carry is the deciding factor.

@burgundypoint

20 күн бұрын

Military protocol in general is nonsense for the individual civilian. US military SOP is especially nonsensical for the individual civilian because they have near infinite ammo supply to suppress and pin down and artillery/aviation support to do the actual killing and have near instant medevac and multiple team members to continue suppression when one goes down. As a one or two man patrol you had better never allow yourself to be engaged, as a single hit can put an end to all your return fire possibilities. An ambush initiating with a .22lr hit to the armpit will make you a stumbling loot box with your 300 round load.

@behindthespotlight7983

20 күн бұрын

EXCELLENT analysis

@andrewtanczyk4009

20 күн бұрын

@@burgundypointexactly what I just posted as a question. Who is going to supply the average citizen his ammunition so he can use suppressive fire? Therefore it doesn’t look like the average citizen will be resupplied enough ammunition to use suppressive fire then.

@lfz2946

20 күн бұрын

Question is how to figure out the enemy's position accurately when I get ambushed

@RodCornholio

20 күн бұрын

@@burgundypoint Great points. This is similar to sport fencing (e.g. kendo) versus real life. In a GENUINE SHTF scenario where 911 isn’t an option, every move you make will have an extreme consequence if you’re on the wrong side of the risk assessment. People think they’ll go “patrol” their backyards, neighborhoods, or 40 acres. Really? Okay…you CAN. Is it going to give you some sort of tactical/strategic advantage versus, say, being in a well fortified position with 24 hour security, augmented with force multipliers like night vision, thermal capable drones, and a trained, disciplined, team? Even without expensive technology…just tin can intrusion detection, binoculars from Walmart, and some barbed wire to create denial areas, funnels, etc. Seriously, folks. I think the .22 in an armpit is an excellent point. It doesn’t take much to make you dead-but-don’t-know-it. Reality is brutal.

The biggest lesson I learned about gunfights is that half the battle is just figuring out where the enemy is shooting at you from. Even though you know what direction the enemy is shooting from, that doesn’t necessarily mean you know where they are shooting at you from.

@vulgardisplayoftruth2060

20 күн бұрын

Unknown location to general location VS precise location. Knowing is half the battle and who's better at violence is the other half.

@DennisBrummett-jh6wl

20 күн бұрын

Exactly,,🤙 understand every word..🤣🤙🤙🤙

@politicalsheepdog

19 күн бұрын

We has some trouble with seeing where bullets were bring fired from in Iraq When on Guard duty or convoy. Bullets would wiz by our towers and we would hear the shot percussion afterward. We never actually saw where the fire was coming from. Of course it was one or two shots at a time. Very random. There was more of a pattern to mortar attacks. Usually 3 rounds were fired and then nothing. Sometimes there would be dud rounds that would not go off. At the time I was thinking the rounds came in a box of three. They were using buried mortar tubs across the highway from our base and sometime they would fire them from the back of a pickup truck on MSR Tampa.

@MandatedCupcake

19 күн бұрын

​@@politicalsheepdogYeah they were shooting mortars from pickups in Afghanistan.

@ModernTacticalShooting

16 күн бұрын

Agree

I am a vet but not a combat vet. I served during one of those weird times when we were not at war. Those of you that are combat vets, I hold you in high regard and I appreciate you for sharing your knowledge, gained thru experience. At 66 years old, I doubt that I will ever be on patrol. If I am, then you know that crap has really hit the fan, big time and no one is going to have the life they once had.

@JJH0326

20 күн бұрын

Communities survive these scenarios anyway, not lone wolves. All these tubers like to jerk off to this fantasy of them being one man wrecking crews with all the women in the post apocalyptic world. Its hilarious. No sir - you've done your time, you'd leave the patrolling to someone more my age, mid thirties to do that. You sir in a SHTF situation would be wisely used more at the home base, for a number of things. Your value would be 10x at the base camp, versus out there doing the young mans bullshit.

@sincere0025

20 күн бұрын

Thank you for your service

@paulis7319

20 күн бұрын

I served during Desert Storm but never deployed overseas, and I also have a huge respect for those who did. If I'm ever inadvertently in a firefight like he described while out in the woods, I'm just SOL with my one mag, sidearm, pocket knife, and a beer. 🤣

@LFDNC

20 күн бұрын

@@paulis7319we’re all in your position. Realistically we are not ready. I estimate that it would take a minimum of 10 dedicated families to survive a SHTF situation, and we should have already done the work. It’s too late to be well prepared for most of us.

@paulis7319

20 күн бұрын

@@LFDNC Yep, I'm a caregiver for my 87 year old mom on a 115 acre farm with no "next door" neighbors, and all the other people within a five mile radius are much older than I am, and way way way more out of shape (I'm 53 and workout+cardio).

Mike Tyson said it perfectly "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

Infantry guy here i can tell you from experience ammo resupply never comes as fast as you need it too we carried a basic load of 210 rounds 6 mags plus one in the gun ! after a few fire fights we quickly learned that double basic load was the reality of what we needed so 420 rounds so 12 mags plus one in the gun !

@LFDNC

20 күн бұрын

I’m assuming resupply isn’t coming.

@themeltingpoint3867

20 күн бұрын

Your math ain't mathing... 12 mags plus one in the gun is 390rds.

@rogerwood5228

19 күн бұрын

​@@themeltingpoint3867bruh, he's infantry, not intelligence

@bradreed859

19 күн бұрын

@@themeltingpoint3867 if i was any good at math i wouldn’t have joined the infantry 🤣 point is basic load ain’t even close to enough !

@appleiphone69

18 күн бұрын

Cholera and other diseases will take you out before the wet dream fire fight

In boot camp a drill Sergeant asked me how many rounds you carry into battle. So I counted the magazine pouches on my gear and timesed it by 30 and came up with 180 rounds. He said no, you carry as many as you can cram into every pocket and nook and cranny on your gear.

I am a 12 year US Army Infantry combat veteran. I have never had less than 13 magazines in my kit.

@toddjenest3212

20 күн бұрын

A lot of SpecOps guys have 3-4 on the chest and usually a few mags on their backs, mission dictates.

@dennisbarrett6148

20 күн бұрын

..... and suffered no ill effects or regrets, I will assume!

@toddjenest3212

20 күн бұрын

@@dennisbarrett6148 Just knee and back pain into my 40's! LOL

@chris-zt7eo

20 күн бұрын

The special operator kit usually revolves around mission parameters that allow for high intensity short duration with backup and air support. I also heavily advocate for carrying a standard combat load minimum, with spare ammo in stripper clips in your backpack. At least. However, your main objective shouldnt be getting into firefights in a shtf situation regardless.

@LFDNC

20 күн бұрын

Once I heard guys talking about this subject, I decided I didn’t have enough mags. Still buying them. I have 14, I’m going to buy a lot more.

My 2 cents. If I'm patrolling, this tells me I'm in a non-permissive environment, or other circumstances requires that I patrol. This means that 2 or 3 mags is insufficient. Each must determine what they will or won't do. Choose carefully.

@bernieeod57

19 күн бұрын

The problem is that you will not have a taxpayer funded logistics system to re supply. If you mag dump in a firefight, your homestead will run dry very quickly

@bernieeod57

19 күн бұрын

"If your mailbox is your first line of defense, you have already lost" Pastor Joe Fox of Viking Preparedness

@joebachmeier6747

19 күн бұрын

Training Sargent Said in potential Combat zone you carry as much as you can carry

@bernieeod57

19 күн бұрын

@@joebachmeier6747 How much do you have stockpiled back at the homestead?

@matthewrussell3935

19 күн бұрын

@@joebachmeier6747 Sergeant*

I’ve run out of ammo in combat, it’s not happening again in any scenario if I can help it. When I go out on my property it’s at least 2 magazines. If I’m fighting the war for restoration it’s going to be all I can manage.

@RedDevil5081

20 күн бұрын

Word! 🥃🍻🪂🫡🇺🇸

@herja-youngodin2040

20 күн бұрын

cache=priceless

@Kylemathews1

19 күн бұрын

That's like if you run out of stamina in a fight. Happened to me and after that i vowed to never let that happen again, started running after.

@politicalsheepdog

19 күн бұрын

The war for restoration. That has a nice ring to it.

@RedDevil5081

19 күн бұрын

@@politicalsheepdog Indeed it does.

Hi Stoker, In RVN ‘69, I carried 3 bandoliers of 7 - 20 rd mags slung, with another 4 bandoliers in my rut, 1 mag in my weapon. In one horseshoe ambush (27 Aug 69), I appeared to be one of the very few who still had ammo. At the end of that day, 47 went home wounded.

@Mountain_bonker

20 күн бұрын

Welcome home soldier, thank you for your service.

@cherokeecowboy7558

17 күн бұрын

Thank you for your service! My uncle Master SGT Larry Helms is one of my heros. Did 2 tours in Vietnam. Sent home with malaria. I remember him coming home in 1970. A giant to me. 6'2" in height but my father said he only weighed 123lbs at the time. Grandfather WWII and Korea. Military family back to Revolutionary War, Capt Connelly under George Washington. God bless our military, past, present and future! God bless you all!

Hold your fire, conserve ammo, don’t fire until you can clearly read the UN on those blue helmets.

@nunofurbiz

17 күн бұрын

Where you from Romeo tango ?

@johnmiller2189

15 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@gabecollins5585

13 күн бұрын

Mm yes war crimes.

@Chris-xj5me

2 күн бұрын

They do look good red

In combat, I carried 14 mags for my M4 and 10 mags for my M9 (MTOE issued both) plus 2 frags. I planned on not getting my head cut off on Al Jezeera TV, while kneeling in an orange jumpsuit.

In a sustained gun fight, ammo will be chewed through.

I keep 5 rifle mags on my plate carrier, one on my belt, and one in my gun, and even more in my pack. I think this is enough to maintain a small fire fight, but my goal isn't to win a gun fight, its to sustain myself long enough to get out of a firefight.

@TheRealAGTactical

20 күн бұрын

Agreed

@sebastiandiaz5682

20 күн бұрын

If you don't win the gunfight, you will lose the gunfight. Violent confrontation is a zero-sum game. Godspeed.

@robertnegrete128

20 күн бұрын

I feel the same way

@NomadHorizon

19 күн бұрын

@@sebastiandiaz5682 my goal in a gunfight isnt to come out on top, its to come out alive. The more i try and come out on top, the more likely i am to die. Obviously my goal is also to elimate my threat, but if the option to evade is there, im taking it.

This is why I carry a phase plasma rifle in 40 gigawatt range. Works every time all the time!

@andrewmoore7586

20 күн бұрын

I’ll be baackk..!!!🇺🇸

@aaftiyoDkcdicurak

20 күн бұрын

I find that it only works 100% of the time 70% of the time 🤔

@brucehillbillybarthalow3786

20 күн бұрын

And where does one get one of those at?

@josephluscavage8162

20 күн бұрын

Where did you get that? Asking for a friend..

@torco1963

18 күн бұрын

Just what's on the rack buddy

Store food water and ammo in your home and pray you dont have to bug out

@jayjason423

20 күн бұрын

there is nowhere to bug out too. All the easy pickings are accounted for. Stand your ground.

@universallaw8850

20 күн бұрын

No buggin out for me life in the woods would suck enough to make me wish i was dead I'm standing strong at my castle if my wife and children want to leave they can....not me.

@Commonsensepreps

20 күн бұрын

@universallaw8850 if I had land I go out hunting or fishing on it, but I'm in the city, my whole plan is to bug in, my house can carry all the food water and ammo I can store

@universallaw8850

20 күн бұрын

@@Commonsensepreps i have 6acres its not a lot but i enjoy it all the same but absolutely wouldn't want to live in a freaking tent.

@frankwaltrip5807

18 күн бұрын

Absolutely

The 3 mag fad is a psyop. You can never have too much ammo and magazines.

@adamhenry5791

17 күн бұрын

Unless you’re on fire or drowning

@MrCobb-rq8iv

17 күн бұрын

@@adamhenry5791 .......... and old men and older women can't carry more than three....

I was an 0311. I was a SAW gunner up until the M27 IAR replaced the SAW and i had to carry 22 mags initially. It was a fucking nightmare. Above all else, you must seriously ask yourself and be realistic: "If I'm carrying X amount of mags/ammo, can I maintain the physical requirements to return fire, and break contact?" I just weighed my Agilite PC with 2 RMA lvl 4 plates and 4 fully loaded mags and it came out to 29lbs. That's not including a water source, rations, basic medical supplies, or comms. I am willing to bet with all that stuff included I'd be right around 40-45lbs. Can you in your current physical state break contact? Keep in mind this isn't a blanket universal practice. Breaking contact looks very different in a open rural area compared to an urban space. Breaking contract in a rural area can mean sprinting 300+ meters (that's also a conservative number.) Things to think about

My opinion: when it kicks off, small communities will rapidly come togeather. Gear is important, but being part of a community and having plans to rapidly building up a force of capable adults to defend your community. All the cool guy gear in the world is nothing compared to having 20-100 other capable adults on your side. 30 years ago most people would have shotguns and hunting rifles. Now most armed people are going to have AR-15s. There are like 20 million of them in the USA now, or 1 for every 10 adults or so of fighting age. People think they have an AR and a plate carrier some Instagram influencer convinced them they need for SHTF. Most of the folks engaged will likely have a semi auto mag fed rifle and a chest rig or carrier of some sort. More ammo is good, but more than 12 mags it's better to have 12 friends. Nothing wrong with having both though.

@Bryan-uw1ny

20 күн бұрын

Good point

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

You're thinking like a true patriot. We MUST come together as communities, regardless of how big or small. Sharing resources, knowledge and power is the only thing that will keep more people alive longer.

@MrCobb-rq8iv

20 күн бұрын

@@Brett235 As long as that community is prepper minded. IMO not all or few really are. If you have such you are blessed.

@M4v3rick28

18 күн бұрын

I think 20 mil.may even be a low estimate....I'd say half the people who have one have more than one.

@Lonovavir

17 күн бұрын

I'd like to upvote this more than once. Gear is fine, but allies and supplies are king.

I have no expertise in this area so take this for what is worth (almost nothing), but I think the types of scenarios you are preparing for won’t benefit from military style patrolling and drills. With no medical support or evacuation infrastructure it will almost always be better to fall back and regroup in a hardened location

@Bryan-uw1ny

20 күн бұрын

You say that until you're surrounded and outnumbered at your safe haven with your loved ones.

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

Best scenario for the worst scenario. If your location gets hot and you have no community left to count on, get out with what you can. Know your area and all roads, even the pig trails and get moving. It's harder to kill a moving target. This is all dependent upon how many family members you have, how agile they are and how burdensome they will be. A man and his kids could make it out, but if the kids are 10 and under them you're going to have a problem. Granny and papaw aren't going anywhere. Family members with health issues are not going to make it long, sadly enough.

@TheBeefSlayer

17 күн бұрын

@@Bryan-uw1nysounds like if that happened you didn’t stand a chance to start with.

I fired almost 14 mags one time crossing the street in Fallujah one time. Plan accordingly

@alexbell8865

19 күн бұрын

Sounds like a wild story.

@chrisfarr6955

10 күн бұрын

The old Fallujah hide and seek…

I’d read someplace once that it was about 2k rounds per verified casualty in Vietnam. Great video. Part of the reason that round count is so high is addressed in a brilliant book called On Killing. Basically states that humans simply inherently don’t want to kill each other and that we’d rather scare each other off. There’s a lot of psychology behind that. I just came across your channel today. Solid video and great wisdom

@Mountain_bonker

20 күн бұрын

Thats insanely interesting… and says a lot about how god intended us to behave.

@brianfondofbbq

19 күн бұрын

@@Mountain_bonker it’s a brilliant book it’s by Lt. Col Dave Grossman. He was a military psychologist that studied effects of killing of soldiers. It’s a studies in violence.

@andrew1498

17 күн бұрын

I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but that book is quite controversial. A lot of later studies done tend to outright debunk or revise Colonel Grossman’s findings

@brianfondofbbq

17 күн бұрын

@@andrew1498 I’d actually like to read those. I found the book to actually be quite logical. Many of his views are very much human nature.

@segrientboar5954

17 күн бұрын

@@brianfondofbbq A great book for sure. He did later books which revised his original findings. An example is the first book had the research sample of 19 year old conscripts in Vietnam and studied them/that. As can be expected, with their rushed training, unwillingness on the part of many to even be there in the military, the individual replacement program for in-field replacements in Vietnam (Very different to the Australian scheme there) and the release from service near immediately after their Vietnam tour was complete, and unpopular nature of the war at home, it was very different to that of a WWII volunteer, or a multiple-tour GWOT veteran with 25 years of service behind him. The newer book is titled 'On Combat'.

I was Airborne Infantry late 80s early 90s in Vicenza. My platoon SGT, like many of our senior NCOs, was a Vietnam vet. He asked us how much ammo we think we need out there. He said, " All of it."

I'm not fighting like that in a SHTF scenario.....you immediately break contact ,retreat and set a counter ambush.

@ianmedford4855

16 күн бұрын

100% 🫡

@Hamm3rstr1k3

15 күн бұрын

That's what I'm figuring too, tracking and counter tracking and setting up a proper ambush are going to be much more important knowledge but it never hurts to know a little but of everything

@DodoYuhhr

15 күн бұрын

Should still carry 10 or more mags since you probably don't have resupply or if you do you don't always know if you're group will leave you or not

@Hamm3rstr1k3

15 күн бұрын

@@DodoYuhhr I agree, my rig carries about 12 rifle mags, excluding any in a backpack

After SHTF , truthfully, most people will be more concerned about food and water . Gunfights will probably be few and far between . Those gunfights will be close quarters, quick and violent , very few rounds . Can the other happen possibly , yes, of course . But wasting all your ammo supply on one or two jackasses doesn’t make sense either .

Watched 1 guy say when he was in combat his load out was 14 mags. The reason he started with 7 and did the mission then they had to fight there way out multiple times. He swore he wasn't running out of ammo if he could help ever again.

@user-ci2mn1oy3w

20 күн бұрын

there 's no reason, in shtf, for you to be out of your tunnel in daytime. At night, with a subsonic ammo option, a silenced auto-rifle, armor, night vision, solar charger, spare battereis, there's very little reason to miss, ever, and you'll recover guns and ammo from dead bodies. Carrying 14 lbs of ammo and mags is a load of bs. Since the advent of the AK, not a single surviving MOH winner has had to hit more than 5-6 men with his rifle. IF you need more than 60 rds to do that, you'll never make it.

@OwnedEpicStyle

20 күн бұрын

@@user-ci2mn1oy3w gotta consider the possibility that your adversary will have night vision or thermal capabilities as well

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

14 loaded magazines is a lot of weight. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal stress on the body. Add that to a chest rig with a med kit, pistol mags, camelback and other gear, that would be tough to do for very long.

@jamesborek8125

20 күн бұрын

​@@Brett23514 loaded AR mags is ~14lbs. 14 pounds of additional weight, while it may make life uncomfortable, should not decide one's mobility level.

@RosaParksWasWyt

20 күн бұрын

@@user-ci2mn1oy3w dude thinks he’s gonna live in a tunnel with night vision 😂😂😂😂

Guess what. It's not a video game. Zero resets. No round counter . No reload. The idea is to not be detected.

@burgundypoint

20 күн бұрын

Yep

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

My dad is a Vietnam veteran, served two tours and his best advice to young grunts was to stay low and go slow. Listen to your gut and take nothing for granted. In the jungle it wasn't necessarily the svc that would get you, it was trench foot, snakes, poisonous spiders and rancid water. A case of diarrhea could kill you if you weren't able to get to medical care.

On point. 8-10 Stanags on my chest rig, keep a couple extra in my patrol/ day pack for typical extreme condition and non-permissive situations. Doing ERT and PSD's in Contracting (also non-permissive environment), we would have 8-10 minimum on us (plus one in the gun) at any given time, with much more to boot in the vehicles, reacting to contact saw us burning multiple mags and belts in suppressive and target-direct fire.

Volume of fire for the military is not the same as for civilians, we will not have the resupply they do. A topic I rarely hear is the different types of fire volume, sustained, suppression, covering, final etc.. it seems most just think mag dump. I am a firm believer that it does not take 1000s of rounds fired to be proficient. Do the drills, snap in for majority of time spent, shoot a min of a couple times a year some to stay accurate. Shoot more if you want but it's not necessary to be proficient.

@swanee22

20 күн бұрын

Snapping in can be really important. We spent an entire week doing this before ever firing a round at the range. They had a 55 gal. drum paint white with white dots painted on it. We'd get about 10 or so yards away and learn to do it right...body position, sight picture, breathe, squeeze, no flinch, etc. Really helps.

@Bryan-uw1ny

20 күн бұрын

😂

@user-nq2oz8tf2l

20 күн бұрын

Exactly. These guys are taking the mentality meant for a large occupying military force against worse equipped opponents. This is not insurgent mentality needed for shtf.

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

What is snapping in?

@andrewtanczyk4009

20 күн бұрын

I just asked that question. Who is resupplying this ammunition so they can use suppressive fire?

Stoker, I am going to encourage everyone to get your SHTF book and read it. I did yesterday and have only got through the sign cutting and moving surveillance chapters. They are spot on target! My background for saying this is: I grew up hunting and tracking game and shooting. I spent three years in the Infantry in the Army, then passed the tests and was hired by the Border Patrol, after four years I transferred to the Customs Agency Service and in 1973 was absorbed into DEA. While I was in the Border Patrol, we spent a lot of time sign cutting and tracking aliens entering the US. Sign cutting was serious work for the Border Patrol, and it probably still is when they are not doing paperwork during the current invasion. While I was with Customs and DEA we did a lot of moving vehicle surveillance, and your book perfectly describes the techniques we used. BTW: The longest vehicle surveillance I was on started in Corpus Christi, Tx to San Antonio, to El Paso, then to Albuquerque, NM and then to a dirt landing field east of Albuquerque. We only had three vehicles and six agents on the surveillance. The suspect spent the night in motels in San Antonio and Albuquerque and we "slept" in our vehicles. Once we arrived at the dirt landing strip, an aircraft landed, and the pilot and our subject met. The next morning the aircraft departed and headed to the Mexican border. By that time a Customs aircraft was on the scene and continued the surveillance until they "burned" it close to the border. Really irritating! Anyway, so far, I have been really impressed with your book and am looking forward to reading the rest. Some real good info!

@ericevans5435

20 күн бұрын

what's the title author?

@Mrelindio42

19 күн бұрын

@@ericevans5435 It is SHTF Field Manual by Stoker.

One thing I look at in a scenario like this in wooded areas is to use my environment to my favor, such as setting up boobytraps, ect. but knowing which one to setup and how to do it properly. Things like this can and will at some point either buy you some time and even save your life as well as lowering the number game you face. Learn any and all boobytraps, this can be another tool in the toolbox for use. Stay strapped and alert guy's.

@hughjunit2503

20 күн бұрын

Yes sir....glad my dad taught me a few things he learned in Vietnam as an airborne green beret that he learned from some of the US friendly forces that were local tribesman.........nobody, and i mean nobody would try to follow me through the woods once i set up a few slow down measures😊😊😊 best to just turn around and go home in one piece

Modern infantry tactics don't apply to SHTF situations. It's always wild to me that people think they're going to dump 12 mags in a sustained engagement and come out un scythed. Survival is always disengaging.

To fight you must move To move you must suppress To suppress you must put consistent rounds on target for multiple minutes Carry 6-18 mags

@Hamm3rstr1k3

15 күн бұрын

I was looking at those russian Zaslov guys whos job is to protect hvts and they rock drum mags as their mag in rifle. The more I think about it the more it makes sense, especially if the goal is to brake contact and move.

@GWOTalchem

15 күн бұрын

@@Hamm3rstr1k3 if contact is likely, drums in rifles makes the most sense.

The shtf dream is exactly that.. a dream. Because when it actually happens, its going to be a f-in nightmare!

@vulgardisplayoftruth2060

20 күн бұрын

O yeah, it'll be a sh!t sandwich without the bread then it'll be Hell on Earth.

@MrCobb-rq8iv

17 күн бұрын

,,,,,,,,,,,, that and,,,,,,,, I love our leaders here but their dream will be a nightmare; IMO what is coming to America in the form of war will be different than any of us vets could imagine or experienced. Just my .02.

@ianmedford4855

16 күн бұрын

It'll look more like Northern Ireland circa 1980 than Mad Max. I very, very much doubt that we'll see a full spectrum collapse of order.

No chance head on head , but lots of hunters love sitting in trees for 12 hours and drop things that move .. Dont have the ammo drops than best learn to snipe and snipe a tic off a dogs ass id say .. or better yet move away turn drop fire from long distances and keep heading away . I have 0 intentions on head on confrontations put my energy in being a shadow way long before id work on army grunting head on force f that . Go where no one wants to be cold ice snow freezing learn how to survive there its not hard .

Just did a 2.5 mile ruck running 6 on chest one in gun along with 3 side arm mags. Easy work. Going to take your advice and bump it up to 10 mags next time.

even 6 or 8 mags wont help if you're out there without a support of other team members or if you're fighting the fight without support. it may look easy, but i highly encourage people to try airsoft matches against pros and beginners . i have some experience in military tactics, but got owned by total noobs on airsoft site. why? because they dont know or follow military doctrine as rest of grunts do. you're taught how to fight to the point that its reaction more than a decision. on the other hand civvies thinks different and acts different too. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE people who arent "military skilled".

@alexbell8865

19 күн бұрын

My only counterpoint is actual firearms defeat concealment where as airsoft bb’s do not.

@ApocGuy

19 күн бұрын

@@alexbell8865 true, won't argue there. My intention was only to show people how quickly one can be "dead" even if fighting an inferior opponent . I've played with guys who had little knowledge about fighting, but we're resourceful and able to think " outside of the box", and despite heavy losses on our side, we beat the team of well trained professional soldiers. When direct confrontation is certain suicide, retreat or turn to guerilla style warfare.

@alexbell8865

19 күн бұрын

@@ApocGuy I agree with you there. Thinking outside the box and employing unconventional tactics can prove to be very effective.

As someone who has been through an ambush he is not wrong. One thing he forgot was you or your buddy being wounded having to manage that as well. I was that wounded guy had part of my face dangling and you better believe cranking off a mag or two at probably nothing or a general area is going to happen. You may not even fire in the general a vicinity you may be firing 90° off from where the enemy actually is. Also do not forget you are going to fire every time you withdraw/advance or maneuver and if you stay still the enemy is going to maneuver on you closing you in till you cannot fire in all the direction they are firing at you. Just because you are not firing in the exact spot of the enemy it may keep them from moving or keep them down if the rounds are close enough for them to hear the supersonic crack.

I look at the guys saying three mags and then ask myself, “why would they be telling me that three mags is enough?” The only logical answer is that “they” want us under equipped if it ever came down to it. Scary to think about. The real ones are the guys telling you that you need more. When you think you have enough, stow away some more. Outlast the fire fight. 500 yards is break contact distance. We could maneuver in, and expel that ammo. In my mind it’s better to just break contact to live and fight your fight.

@hughjunit2503

20 күн бұрын

He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day😊..........ever hear the song about the swamp fox??

@arighteousname5882

20 күн бұрын

It's really not that deep

@twiggybones7040

20 күн бұрын

@@arighteousname5882 it’s always that deep.

@specialopsgauteng5701

20 күн бұрын

So I've been thinking about this for quite some time now... Considering how many i need to carry for concealed carry every day. My answer arrived in the form of a declaration i had to do on a guy who opted out. He had .45 glock and magazines and additional firearms and a grenade under his thigh. The police were slightly shocked. This is the answer I was looking for. All of them. Two on me and one in my side arm and the rest in my day bag which is always with me. all my magazines. So interesting that ive been considering this and thinking about it the past few days and then that situation and now this video.

@claytonmachine12

20 күн бұрын

Its because they look at all the former SF gear videos and don't understand the WHY of any of what those guys are saying. They went into GWOT carrying 12 and up. but started carrying less and less. Gunfights got shorter, and support assets because much more available. And most of the guys with youtube channels always talk about being on recon missions. NOT snatch and grabs or assaults. So of course on a recon where you have guaranteed CAS support and you have to march 20 miles your not gonna carry a shit ton of weight if you can avoid it.

You didn't mention the shaking and the vision changes during your first fire fight. Even during OverWatch you sweat and other things with minimal movement.

@jayjason423

20 күн бұрын

to train this I walk in my neighborhood yelling profanities and racial slurs. It gets the adrenaline pumping and fight mentality kicking in while doing cardio.

@jimharvey4941

16 күн бұрын

@@jayjason423 THAT'S WHAT I USED TO DO...😇

I was in the 101st during GWOT. The "data" we were presented as a division was 5000/1 KIA. Obviously 80% of those rds are not even intended to kill, but suppress. If they kill great but that wasn't the objective of a SAW gunner most of the time. As far as the standard M4 carrying infantryman. I'm guessing it had to be a few hundred to 1.

I was always amazed at the sheer number of rounds per KIA until I learned about suppressive fire, fire and maneuver and air support.

Standard load out for non permissive or permissive environments for a rifle man (30round magazine) is 210 rounds. X7 mags included a weapon in amber status.

Anything can work in SHTF situation, if you have all the Tacticool gear great, if all you have is a hunting shotgun, great. Both beat being an unarmed civilian. Anything is better than nothing.

Ever since I heard of a MACV-SOG guy who carried 800 rounds, it opened my eyes. I always felt 6+1 is bare minimum if you're in a hostile environment. I now feel that 10+1, preferably more, should be the starting point for a patrol loadout.

Nobody ever complained about having too much ammo after a fire fight. I’m not going out on patrol without at least 350 rounds.

Way too many people on the internet think theyre going up against a platoon of guys and living to tell the tale. If its 1v1 you have a 50% chance plus modifiers for element of surprise, tactics, skill and a hair of luck to make it out alive. That gets way worse with just one more against you, or two. Break contact and dissapear. The more mags you dump the more attention you draw, and sure MAYBE youll spook the other guys into giving up chase. But thats a hefty risk. Act accordingly to your mission.

Under these conditions, this would be one of the most dangerous places in the world if SHTF

In a shtf world. My setup that is hanging in my closet as we speak has 8 AR-15 mags & 4 .40 cal pistol mags. Next to that sits a 60 round AR15 drum and a 100 round AR15 drum. Both of which I would consider disposable in the situation. One and done. But they sure are big ones!

Fighting in the woods is absolute hell. Urban warfare is said to be worst. But idk something about the woods and having so much shit to blend with just makes things a lot harder to see.

That's exactly what I've been talking about!!!! All these youtube tacticool dudes keep showing and telling people that it's cool to have a slick rig with 3 mags +1 in the rifle... I leave them comments telling them they will get idiots killed teaching this shit!! I have a crye JPC 2.0 and it's nice and slick but guess what i can hold 10 mags on my plate carrier alone!!! not to mention my belt or pack. Same with my chest rig. I have a very minimal MKv chestrig and i can hold 8 mags in that thing 6 if i have a radio

Know the property on which you will be defending. Have multiple stash points places throughout along with multiple options for defensive positions. Look into force multipliers as well, traps, kill zones, best places to immobilize vehicles, create hardships for the enemy, etc.

"A metric butt-ton" Brother, last time I heard that got to be 30 years ago! Thanks for making me feel 45 again!

I live in a communist state and only allowed 10 round per magazine :( i need to move out of here man

pie plate size at 100 is good enough for most if under stress... my mag and I use figure 11 hit is good , great video btw

I live on a ranch and only real threat is wildlife. Trespassers encounter that long before ranch hands discover personal affects. In most cases, these idiots are running or hiding from wildlife and our staff is happy to help. Recovering dead trespassers is not pleasant.

@user-ci2mn1oy3w

20 күн бұрын

so? that has NOTHING to do with shtf, bro. People on working farms or ranches are outnumbered 50 to 1 and the groups of marauders will hit a new place every few days, cause they wont score enough from any one place to sustain them any longer than that. So you'll be attacked again and again if you stay above ground, make noise, or show a light at night.

@jayjason423

20 күн бұрын

@@user-ci2mn1oy3w yes, just ask the S. African farmers how it went down.

@Brett235

20 күн бұрын

​@@user-ci2mn1oy3wI don't know about that. Open country, like parts of the West, are very dangerous grounds of you're up to no good. Someone with a 300 Winchester Magnum and a good scope will be a real threat at 800 yards. Movements will have to be at night, and most of these ranchers have night or thermal goggles for hogs and coyotes.

@specialopsgauteng5701

20 күн бұрын

​@@jayjason423Zimbabwean before. South African now. Famr murders are rife.

@user-nq2oz8tf2l

20 күн бұрын

@@Brett235 Most ranchers and farmers will be better suited for shtf than the boogiewoogie larpers on their patrols in the woods next to their suburbs.

During Vietnam, it was reported in a study, that 60 to 65 k rounds were fired on full auto, from 20 round mags, for every one enemy KIA, that's why they went to tri burst.

Anyone with infantry knowledge from Benning or a Marine out of Parris,, will tell you he is right,. When those shots are fired everyone knows where everyone else is shooting and starts calling times of focus.. and maneuvering. For example,,, MY 11 PUSH LEFT ..... everyone is at least letting loose 1 mag dump. A reload with now a more surgical aim, because calls and focus are dialed.

Yes I agree with your assessment Stoker, again more food for thought just be about it & don’t just sing. Stay safe and keep grinding Stoker. Retired Squid 🤙🏽⚓️🇺🇸

Professional experience says enough is never enough. Pack as much ammo as you can carry quietly and quickly for quite a while… beyond that, the lay person should shelter in place and only engage immediate threats when absolutely necessary.

As a former SAW gunner in the 75th Ranger RGT, I carried 1,000 rounds on me, 1,000 rounds on my ruck, and everyone in my squad each carried 500 rounds for me. My philosophy is that it’s better to have it and not need it, than it is to need it and not have it.

Everytime we got into a tic in Afghanistan, we about went black on ammo. There is no way 3 mags is realistic at all.

People who think 3 mags is enough because that's all they carried in the military forget that they aren't going to have logistical support in shtf.

Standard load out, plus a few extras in assault pack.

@christophermitchell7925

20 күн бұрын

In other words (for those who don’t know) that’s 7+.

Going lite, 3 mags in chest rig, 1 on belt 1 in gun, Going heavy with armor 6 on plate, 1 on belt 4 in ruck 1 gun.

LLRP and MACVSOG were known to carry 1 mag per minute of expected gun fight. I remember one guy saying they'd carry like 32 on patrol.

@user-nq2oz8tf2l

20 күн бұрын

Yeah can you find any pics of that? You get random internet military guys saying this, but can you actually confirm it?

@richardmiller5456

20 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eX-e1qh-k5Xco7w.html&si=lC1Jv_AvRBFhvlaa

@chris-zt7eo

20 күн бұрын

@@user-nq2oz8tf2l Yeah, look in some of the old pictures of 5th group guys carrying their patrol loadouts. Or John Stryker Meyer, the only surviving MACV-SOG guy, talk about patrol ammo.

I still wear a TAPS carry the seven basic load out. If I were only carrying 3 it would be to leap frog my ass out of the hot zone.

@twiggybones7040

20 күн бұрын

Bounding requires ammo. More than you’d think. Three mags is virtually useless, unless you’re talking home defense.

I’d carry as much as I can comfortably.. Plate carrier and all.. Spare mags, bug out equipment but not too heavy. Just enough. That tailors to my weight, height and maneuverability. Personal preference at the end of the day. Whatever works for you!

Polymer mags and relatively light 5.56 ammo. Yea, I'm inclined to have more than 4 mags because its insurance for who knows what and it isn't that heavy.

Maybe the answer is; don't "patrol" if you're not capable of doing it. Set up an LPOP. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

@STOKERMATIC

20 күн бұрын

How does one get to their LPOP?

@vcman9505

20 күн бұрын

Uber

@johnburnett5377

19 күн бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC safely and efficiently, by not bumbling around the forest and stumbling into a hostile force.

@bigsoap186

19 күн бұрын

@@johnburnett5377so.. a patrol..

I'm a combat Vet, when I carried an M4, combat load was 210 rounds. I had 400 easy at any time. When I carried the m249, combat load was 600 rounds, I carried 1000.

Standard load is 210 rounds. That’s 7 x 30 rd mags. Fact is, if you’re in combat, you can never have too much ammo. And the only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.

Our standard load out was 210 rounds, I told the guys carry 1 extra magazine, also carry the same load out on stripper clips.

You need a chest harness to start... 6 AR magazines on your chest harness. Three extra pistol mags on your belt and +1 AR mag on the belt also... If you're going to get into a fight you don't want to wear clothes that completely stand out... You don't necessarily need crazy camouflage or anything. wear green or coyote brown or combination of both... There's no shame in wearing a slick plate carrier.... take this advice from someone who has been in a fight once before...

Playing paintball as a kid when it was first getting popular was awesome for that adrenaline on the move shooing training.

There was a stark difference between WWII and Vietnam when everyone was using an M16 with full auto. Those Garand guys were hauling heavier longer range hardware.

Really great channel. Watching from gwinnett county georgia. Im in the thick of suburbia. Shtf central. I need risk mitigation

Not even a backup mag? Just in case the first mag fails….

You and Grunt proof keep me thinking and on my toes. Thanks Stoker.

@BaikalTii

20 күн бұрын

grunt proof made the exact same point with the same scenario of breaking contact.

@alexbell8865

19 күн бұрын

The two best guys on KZread right now on these topics in my opinion.

IF it's a shtf scenario out there, I'm carrying all I am able... plus.

Shoot and scoot. A retired SF E-8 but it this way: If you aren't shooting or reloading be running except when youre doing all three at the sa me time.

My .021; it's too late for practice, could be here by morning by what I'm reading. I'm not going out and making a bunch of noise and have neighbors call in my shooting. YMMV.

@MrCobb-rq8iv

17 күн бұрын

OMG you are so spot on................ and you don't need a record of buying ammo and some A$$clown throwing a red flag to LEO.

@DontTreadOnMyLiberty

13 күн бұрын

You got to get some better neighbors!

The minimum number of mags I've seen civilian shooters have is 5; 3 on the chest rig, one one their belt and one in the weapon. I've never heard anyone advocate for less than that.

I have had incoming rounds and as near as I could tell, there was about 45 degrees out from my position, that the incoming rounds could have come from, in that situation it makes it very hard to return effective fire.

My Chest Rigs and Plate Carriers are all set up to carry six 30 round rifle mags, three pistol mags, water, IFAK, ect. Retired, my team will be here on the farm when SHTF. I have electronic surveillance now and will have manned 24/7 security when SHTF. I have a good relationship with some of my neighbors so we can help one another out when needed. Keep Prepping my friends.

I don't agree with everything you said Stoker, but I really respect you being one of the few with the balls to speak on what's really going on.

Good advice. I have taco pouches on the chest rig, 3+3 9M. Two on the hips. 2 in the pouches on my pack. 4 more inside the bag….ya know…for ‘later’. I am solo most of the time.

Pistol used to fight to your rifle your rifle used to fight to a semi load of dynamite RC bigfoot truck packing a special delivery package used to take out enemy simple.

if its shtf you wanna stay quiet and out of the way not heading out in the morning for the daily firefight you will end up dead.

I’ve never felt undergunned with my S&W 5 shot revolver.

@dmitch1983

20 күн бұрын

Cool story bro

@NomadHorizon

20 күн бұрын

It's cause you've never been in a fire fight with your S & W 5 shot revolver.

Easy now son. I dont even leave the house without at least 10 loaded 30tys for a simple trip down the road. 11 being in the Rifle. The Rifle hardcase holds 10. If im working my plate carrier it holds 6 loaded mags itself. If i can make it back home before the full SHTF storm. Ive got double that in storage. If you can find one that runs good. A 100 round drum a couple goes along way with the others. A good scope. Is definitely a must have. A good brand name 3x9x32 with mill dots with reticles that turn on to red or green. Depending upon the backdrop. A couple of backup M4s is also worth stocking up on. At least 3. 1 DD4 with detachable Nite optics. An 2 Smith&Wesson M&P 15. With the option to use more freedom seeds per trigger pull. One of the wesson is a everyday carry. The other is still sealed in plastic as a fallback. If something happens to the 1st. 10 thousand rounds is a good starting point. 12thousand is lucky number to me. A good 30-06 with a long range scope. Ammo to match A good 338 is nice to have for reaching out an stopping a threat while its still a few football fields away. Ammo for it is a little expensive. Im a huge fan of my Barrett 50. With a few 100 rounds at minimum. I also like to carry a 40cal. In backup of that a 357 revolver. I say 357 cause i can shoot both 38spl an 357 out of it. With Ammo to match. Ive spent a few years collecting an storing ammo, firearms an medical supplies. If you got the means an the property to do it on. A good storage room more like a sealed vault. Climate controlled an preferable under the dirt. For storing all my extras. A good set of plates an backup carrier. The Spartan Armor AR 600 lev4 + is a good yet reasonable priced plate One thing about living in the rural mountains is privacy and very few neighbors. No one thinks to much about some concrete trucks an building materials getting pumped an delivered. If you dont have any neighbors to watch what's being built on your property is even better. If something was to happen. Either i make it. Or someone stumbled upon a gold mine.

Do everything you can to limit the rounds spent, because there is never enough ammo and carrying gadgets over fighting tools or consumables for your kit is never a smart idea. Weight is always a consideration, so make sure it counts well in advance and set the stage properly so you don't need to waste everything you have in one crap shoot of an engagement.

I always at least carry 2 magazines. 2 is 1 1 is none. Magazines are the majority reason for failures

I get guys on some of these gear related Facebook pages that mock me for having the amount of gear that I have on my line gear, but what they don't understand is that out here we don't have fire support, we don't have air support, we don't have a QRF, we don't have resupply, we can't load the HUMV up with extra gear and supplies...all the things we had in the military, we don't have! We might just have us and only us! We have to be able to sustain ourselves in any situation. I have 4 or 5 different kit set ups, from PCs to chest rigs to LBVs. I even have a SERE kit on my belt, because having been there, I never want to be caught in the wilderness without the means to survive and thrive. A lot of these guys are set up to take cool pictures on IG or shooting matches, but they have no idea what's needed to survive.

My standard of training with rifle is a 3x5 card at 100 yards minimum every shot, every position.

"guys think about the industrial military complex and how it takes a billion rounds fired (during training) to equal 1 dead enemy combatant. Okay so even though that math doesn't apply here, you guys should have 300 full size mags on your body at all times, because I've drawn up numbers that don't correlate at all and don't take into account scenarios, job description, or what war these numbers are from. You're a civilian in the US? That's a completely different scenario but I've already decided you're NGMI because to me, you're gonna be facing SEAL team 6 in every situation, not Bubba from the trailer park weilding his cousins Mosin nagant. I've done every drug known to man" Wtf am I listening to lmao

FYSA; it's important to understand how to fight like an insurgent (because that is exactly what you'd be in SHTF against the government scenario); as a person who has "engaged;" we are talking 20-30 second engagements; fighting in a populated area (where you can engage quickly and disappear into the public); and engagements in the daytime (professional militaries/securities have night vision and most civilians don't). This is how you survive as an insurgent. Your goal isn't to win in a standup fight, it is to annoy your opposition enough so that they give up. You try to hide and/or fight in the woods, I hope you remember that professional militaries have thermals, NVGs, and lots of other equipment that is useful in finding their opponents.