Half Life: Alyx Creepiest Moments and heres why...
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Half Life Alyx is full of creepy moments, enemies and environments and in this video we take a look at the scariest and most intense of them all. By virtue of being a virtual reality experience this new Half Life game manages to be the scariest one so far and many returning foes are creepier than ever because of it. So sit back, relax and let's dive into a another top creepiest moments video all about Half Life Alyx.
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The cybernetic modifications only applies to the combine soldiers. The civil protection soldiers or metro cops are 100% human
@Techhunter_Talon
4 жыл бұрын
Or at worst they have very light augmentations implanted.
@cursedhawkins1305
4 жыл бұрын
@@Techhunter_Talon No if I remember from the lore about the metro cops they are quite literally just humans that were made an offer they couldn't refused in the form of better rations, better housing, etc. Normal citizens aren't allowed most basic freedoms but if they signed up to join the police force they would be offered better options, I'm sure starving to death isn't the best way to go when the combine are in control.
@dragonborn7955
4 жыл бұрын
@@cursedhawkins1305 you are correct
@thelivestreamman7211
4 жыл бұрын
Oh shit
@thelivestreamman7211
4 жыл бұрын
Your smarter than me
When are people going to learn, Civil Protection and Combine Soldiers are not the same.
@GameGuide2020
4 жыл бұрын
This video like many others focusing on HL:A lacks core research IMHO.
@the-pink-hacker
4 жыл бұрын
One is genetically modified and the other is just wearing some armor.
@RandomPerson-hd6wr
4 жыл бұрын
@@the-pink-hacker soldiers are transhumans and metros are ordinary people that want a better life not crappy apartments
@allanschrillo1509
4 жыл бұрын
ive seen adds on roblox where it says "pick up that can" but its showing a picture of combine elite
@mysterythekitsune2988
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah co are still human, and Combine troops are former earth soldiers and humans who have gone up the tank and been brained washed, etc.
1. Thats not how their face actually looks, this one was likely taken over by a headcrab. 7:13 2. Metropolice are fully human, no modifications whatsoever. they willingly joined the combine with the promise of better living conditions better quality food etc. 8:09
@Dips-u
4 жыл бұрын
If you look at a another video there is a scene where one looks like that but I do not think that
@Shroom_uwu
4 жыл бұрын
Meto police have there brain whashed thow
@lowpolyfruit
4 жыл бұрын
@@Shroom_uwu No, they aren't they work the combine because they want too.
@SiIIster
4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@lambdalabs7807
4 жыл бұрын
According to the overwatch voice, CPs can get memory replacements to get higher ranks
We can all agree that the scariest part of all valve games is *_valve guy turning around_*
@notmedicine9700
4 жыл бұрын
*Portal 2 memories*
@Lexie_Tyler05
4 жыл бұрын
It's better when you see the full 3d model, he's terrifyingly thicc
@thabomboneni2994
4 жыл бұрын
Obi Wan Kenobi Gabe’s long lost brother
@LifeOfAZSuperman01
4 жыл бұрын
That happened when I got Portal 2 on my pc and I literally screamed.
@puiu102006
4 жыл бұрын
@@LifeOfAZSuperman01 that moment was scarier than any horror game I've played cause it was SO unexpected.
8:16 , these are actually cops, they are not synths, just willing humans with a suit.
@thelivestreamman7211
4 жыл бұрын
Game theory
@sosifox
4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I felt kinda bad while killing them
@fatalbert2055
3 жыл бұрын
Soviet Sosig You shouldn’t, CP’s willingly joined the Combine
What's even more terrifying when a head crab takes control of a human is the sounds they make. Which is revealed to be the victim crying for help.
@Mostenire
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much everyone already knows this already - it's been in all the games.
@vitropolis8627
4 жыл бұрын
@@Mostenire True just saying for others that don't know.
@blackrazer22
4 жыл бұрын
@@Mostenire still creepy knowing these guys are still alive and trying to communicate.
@trappy3404
4 жыл бұрын
blackrazer22 your not wrong it is pretty creepy realising that they are still alive
@vitropolis8627
4 жыл бұрын
@@blackrazer22 Exactly!
You missed THE creepiest moment. When Alyx enters the beam, riiiiight before the communications cut out, you can hear Eli scream behind Russell as he comes to the realization that it is not Gordon Freeman in the Vault. But it is too late to make Alyx turn back.
@wojtekpolska1013
4 жыл бұрын
But is G-Man really evil? i mean i remember he did some thing agains Gordon in HL2 (i forgot) and in HL1 if you refuse to join him at the end of the game, he will send you to the middle of big group of strong enemies, but he isnt straight-up evil. like thats the unknown about him. i just think that "his goals are beyond our understanding" as the meme says. my theory is just that freeing him up from definitely evil combine, wasnt necesarly a bad thing. also i like the character very much, they perfected HL2 intro with him.
@Epicdomofilmz
4 жыл бұрын
wojtekpolska He’s balls out evil lmfao its his fault the black mesa incident happened and combine finding earth was part of his plan
@lightdreamer_
4 жыл бұрын
@@Epicdomofilmz he is not evil in the usual way. Just in his special kind of messed up way
@phonetheory7056
4 жыл бұрын
@@lightdreamer_ bruh he tricked a girl/young woman into becoming his employee, with no consent given to her obduction. The guy is most certainly a lawful evil, but still evil.
@imvictorhugs
4 жыл бұрын
@@phonetheory7056 i'd say gman is neutral evil, lawful evil would be the CPs
Jeff was the first time I have actually been scared in a non-horror video game.
@constantinmarin1408
4 жыл бұрын
*me being scared of the bots in job simulator* Huh
@francischambless5919
2 жыл бұрын
Try Alien Isolation
@Megajaybreaker4
2 жыл бұрын
@@francischambless5919 non horror game
@aidenbryant8790
Жыл бұрын
this is definitely a horror game just look at the poison headcrabs
8:09 Civil protection units are the exception here. they've not yet been stripped of their humanity and are still entirely human behind their masks.
16:41 I just left him inside the compactor I didn’t crush him. Alyx just tells the guy that she trapped Jeff in the garbage compactor.
@aydinmakesthings
4 жыл бұрын
@@duolingobird2934 Jeff is not a human anymore, what human was there is gone now.
@offlinechannel2374
3 жыл бұрын
Duolingo Bird Jeff isn’t like the zombies. Jeff is a monster, and isn’t human, he’s not feeling any pain.
@Wolffman109
3 жыл бұрын
WHY WOULD YOU NOT CRUSH JEFF?
@narutonine6098
Жыл бұрын
@@Wolffman109 My thoughts exactly. That SOB put us through so much anxiety
I actually feel happy when i meet a combine soldiers, they make the game less scary
@nebby1988
4 жыл бұрын
Same XD
@coffeetext
4 жыл бұрын
“He’s kicking it.” ‘...’ “Overwatch says ‘stop kicking it.’”
@azrael1525
4 жыл бұрын
Thinking gaming In every video game that I play that involves non human threats, I always like to be around the human enemies or allies
@thomasdiedxd837
4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY, being alone in Half life: Alyx with the zombies scares me. Thank god the combine are mostly everywhere.
@sile3505
4 жыл бұрын
@@coffeetext 4:40 are those? Baby tentacle?
2:40 - TEAM KILL!
There are two more head crab variations the fast and runner, but at least we're not meeting in this game the mother of all head crabs.
@thegetrktshow
4 жыл бұрын
oh god no the gonarch
@wojtekpolska1013
4 жыл бұрын
@Lain Blair and armored head crab, and the hairy ones
@ianvladimir4797
4 жыл бұрын
Dont jinx it
@PaulWitzelNarratives
4 жыл бұрын
Lain Blair the armored head crabs are actually different, because their heart is exposed, unlike any other headcrab type, so it likely is a different type instead of a normal one that found a shell
@PaulWitzelNarratives
4 жыл бұрын
Ah.
Superhorrorbro: the games scary side! No shit
The poisonous(not toxic) headcrabs aren't new, they appeared in Half Life 2
@tiddlez3948
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, technically in game, they're new because this is a prequel to Half Life 2 but yeah I see your point
You made a few mistakes, especially about the Metrocops; they’re entirely human and only joined the Combine due to the promise of better loving conditions or ration, etc. the Combine Soldiers are the ones that are pretty much entirely modified
@juanmarcodelacruz8200
3 жыл бұрын
not the grunts
Oh my god Jeff are you ok *laughs* RIP Jeff
@mrmongoose9003
4 жыл бұрын
Duolingo Bird 2 things 1. He died of a trash compactor 2. Aren’t you supposed to remind people about their Spanish lessons
One other thing with the G-Man in this game worth mentioning is his final appearance. After the credits when you're Gordon again and Eli is yelling, look to the far left and you'll see the G-man. And Eli actually sees him too.
It's crazy how half-life Alyx fits into the story, Gordan couldn't be woken up because the G-Man was in prison, Alyx only found Gordon because the G-Man lead her to him. I can't get over the story of these games
the combine soldiers are the ones with modified bodies, regular Civil Protection is just normal humans in combine armor
12:46 *intense T-posing moment*
Metrocops aren't genetically modified. They are normal people just wearing body armor.
Great video but i have one thing that you got wrong.When you said the combine have normal conversations you showed the civil protection(Metrpolice) and they actualy are just humans i combine suits.
@pavkata9568
4 жыл бұрын
,, he is kicking it" ,, ........ " ,, overwatch says to stop kicking it"
Love your vids! Hope to watch you play more horror games and watch you explain the theories behind them! X3 your awesome!
the scariest part about the gman scene is that eli tried to get alyx out of that tractor beam before you go into the vault almost like he knew about him
@zephyric6943
4 жыл бұрын
Eli knew about him since black mesa. And in ep2 eli know, that freeman has also problems witj the gman
@Codye
4 жыл бұрын
@@zephyric6943 true because of the whole "prepare for unforseen consequences" thing
The creepiest moment for me was in The Northern Star, the section where you had to shut off the power to get past a combine force field, and you had to go down to an area infested with poisonous headcrabs, but what terrified me was when you had to climb an elevator shaft while poisonous headcrabs were climbing up right beside you. It's probably because I have arachnophobia, but that terrified me to the point where I had to watch Jacksepticeye play through that part to make me brave enough to climb the elevator shaft
@Hosch87
4 жыл бұрын
total agree. had to do the same to get the courage to play through it also jeffs not scary at all. as said, hes totally predictable (other than BLACK headcraps in an almost completely dark envirionment). i mean, come on. whats scarier than spider-like creatures jumping at your face in VR?
@spinyjustspiny3289
4 жыл бұрын
What terrified me was seeing juvenile Tentacles. AKA, those things that had an entire level dedicated to getting rid of one set of them in Half Life 1 and were immune to all firearms, requiring something as strong as a rocket firing off directly ontop of it to kill.
@FurryDude.
3 жыл бұрын
i have arachnophobia too
The scary thing is that the combine have the power necessary to contain the g-man
@tearex_8443
4 жыл бұрын
Not really cause he planned it all
@isnortjarsofdirt6004
4 жыл бұрын
@@tearex_8443 well if, think is more like Alyx is the reason why the g-man has presence in hl2 and its episodes, being that without her he would just wait for someone to free him, if the combine have the power to mak e a literal physics defying machine, well it seems like the perfect trap for the g-man, since the vortigaunts, powered by the ant lions can stop his influence and force him to wait, well this vault can too, especially considering that it is powered by vortigaunts, but it's just my opinion, most probable thing is that not even the combine can do anything against the g-man
@Megajaybreaker4
2 жыл бұрын
@@isnortjarsofdirt6004 you know the gman in this game is FROM episode 2, right? Or are you to dumb to make the connection
I also think it is creepy how you can hear the zombie's crying and mumbling words.
@Daveaintreal
5 ай бұрын
They didn't even bother to reverse the audio this time
8:12 but... Civil Protection are not cyborgs, just a normal humans
For someone who never played a half-life game, even the friendly guy in sewer was scary as hell
The G-man straight up just pulled an uno reverse card on Alyx.
8:10 those regular civil protection guards arent deformed inside they are normal humans. but they are the lowest combine - they arent altered.
Waiting to play this myself but definitely will watch your vids on it when I'm done.
Thanks for learning me about head crabs!!
When i heard G-Man in this video (didnt play Alyx yet) i noticed, that he definitely got much older after these many years that passed since hl2. but im happy that they used original voice actor for him (did they? im pretty sure they did, but i didnt check).
@hib7295
4 жыл бұрын
Half-Life Alyx is a prequel tho qwq
@wojtekpolska1013
4 жыл бұрын
@@hib7295 dude, im talking about the fact that VALVE (game creators) used the same VOICE ACTOR for G-MAN the fact that the voice actor agreed to voice prequel to the game released 15 YEARS AGO it has nothing to do with the game being prequel/sequel
@hib7295
4 жыл бұрын
@@wojtekpolska1013True true, but actually what I said is even wrong as the G-Man came from later in the future as he already knows what happens to Eli. Maybe that's why they choose the same person
@wojtekpolska1013
4 жыл бұрын
@@hib7295 i meant, the fact that this dude agreed to voice this. in many games the voice actor either died or didnt want to voice, so they had to change him even tho it was the same character in-game
Love this vid! Stay safe!
i have never seen Half Life in VR before
@Omega-jg4oq
4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean before? This is the first Half Life VR game and other games are for PC
@FurryDude.
3 жыл бұрын
@@Omega-jg4oq did i say before? i meant i have never played Half Life: Alyx
Love your videos they make me happy
Yo I know this is going back a bit but remember the puppet game that really creepy one what happens if you grab the puppet at the beginning and bring it back up to mortises would it be a different like Easter egg thing or is that just there
That combine thing scares me.
@aryandescendant6116
4 жыл бұрын
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord Oh. [P.S., The Metro Cop has long fingernails,indicating he was attacked by a headcrab and turned into a Headcrab Zombie.]
@constantinmarin1408
4 жыл бұрын
@@aryandescendant6116 yes.
@FurryDude.
3 жыл бұрын
@@aryandescendant6116 That is a Combine Ordinal / Captain .-. edit: and he is a victim of a poison headcrab
not bad video, but i see you over-sighting many things. also not i'll clear-out the thing about Combine's body modifications and all. there are 3 main groups of Combine (some of them have specialisations but that is not important in what im talking) - Civil Protection - (most common in cities, they are the standard force [the ones raiding houses, driving this prison truck Alyx was in, and just the places where or near the places where public had free access to.) Half-Life wiki: "It is important to note that Civil Protection units are not hybrids and are in fact, human." you can eazly know this from HL2 Gameplay, when Barney joined Civil Protection in order to work as a "secret agent" and help gordon freeman avoid rest of the combine. and we can clearly see later in the game, that he looks 100% normal. Also you can see they speak the way they do NOT because they got vocal cords removed, but because of the mask, idk it might have a microphone and a speaker with a voice modulator in between. im not making this up - just play trough the moment when Barney took Gordon to this interrogation room, and said to the cameras in deep, combine voice "we will need some privacy for that" (or sth) and then after taking off the mask, says in much higher, happy voice "Hey!!! Its me Gordon, Barney from Black Mesa!" - Overwatch Soldiers - they are the ones you will find outside of the cities, in places that nobody was supposed to enter. from what i found, they get none or little body modifications, definitely they arent the ones with their whole face removed. - Overwatch Elite - they are found in/near citadel in HL2, or sometimes leading groups of Overwatch Soldiers. i think in Half-Life: Alyx they are protecting the quarantined zone (the one after you open that vault, and free the Vortiguant"), as wiki says "They have undergone extensive modifications", so only they are the ones with bodies have been highly improved in purpose of them being a elite soldier.
@constantinmarin1408
4 жыл бұрын
Absolute LEGEND
@mhmdalam7326
3 жыл бұрын
Barney : "About that beer I owe ya"
jeff's corpse looks like something for dinner idk why
hey, superhorrorbro guess what! fnaf ar is getting a new easter update featuring the new fnaf easter eggs that look just like the 1st generation of the animatronics. and also a new animantronic that looks like spring bonnie but with brown on it's body and has a red nose. so yeah happy easter!
jack actually let jeff live the rest of his life in the compactor
Me: *Sees the brain injured vort* Also me: I have a brain injury! Ow!
My name is J E F F
Well...... Did you know there is sometimes a chance that a combine thermal suit when it gets shot they yell like a normal painful yell?
One thing that happened to me that when I locked Jeff in that crate I was so happy that I literally didn't notice the button to kill him. i only know it now lol
The creepiest thing about this is, that there will be no more Half-Life: Alyx Videos...
@coolkid2466
4 жыл бұрын
What? That makes no sense you probably know nothing about half life lmao
@justarcheo
4 жыл бұрын
@@coolkid2466 Umm, well with a name like that, i would not be surprised that you find most of the things scary... disgusting? YES? Scary? Apart from jump scares, not that much. And i am a long-time Half Life fan, so i know a thing or two about the games...
@coolkid2466
4 жыл бұрын
@@justarcheo your op still makes no sense
@justarcheo
4 жыл бұрын
@@coolkid2466 OP? Do you mean opinion? Do you seriously want me to explain the joke to you? Like, you really don't understand a joke? What makes no sense about: The thing that scares me the most is, that we will have no more videos... you are the one not making sense here... sorry if that sounded harsh.
@coolkid2466
4 жыл бұрын
@@justarcheo original post buddy, and that was a joke? That makes no sense what so ever and was terrible, soRrY iF tHaT sOuNdS hArSh
At 8:09 those are not combine soldiers. They are civil protection units. unlike Overwatch, they're not trans-human, but regular people who have decided to join the Combine metro police at their will.
the Civil Protection don’t have any modifications. that’s how Barney is both a resistance member and a metro cop.
In HL: A, both Civil Protection and Overwatch were fully human, the only reason why their face looks different is because the mask was sticking onto their face, and when taken off would damage their skin and possibly kill them. This is the same with the Zombine, since the mask is sticking on the Combine's face, when the headcrab is killed and comes off the Zombine you will see the Headcrab ripped off the Combine's head, only the jaw remained. While in HL: 2 only Civil Protection was human.
Best joke made by Alyx vance was the combine zombie, vice versa, which she named the zombine.
@hib7295
3 жыл бұрын
while Gordon answered with his famous line: ...
The metro police in the beginning of half-life 2 have nothing surgically done to them
This is literally everything in the game.
8:25 Granted, it's only the soldiers that are like that. Civil Protection is comprised of entirely normal human beings, or at worst humans with light augmentation.
@coffeetext
4 жыл бұрын
Most definitely normal humans. I don’t believe the Combine Overwatch would bother outfitting their basic fodder with potentially valuable augmentations, no matter how light.
Great video....
Most impressive part of Jeff is scenes with him in it scare you even when you aren't playing the game.
i think that the CPs only get vocal surgery but soldiers get special brain and vocal surgery
Those head crabs scared me in the half life remake black Mesa.
Still, i remember that at a Valve conference or something. They said that they didn't want to scare the player. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
2:16 Armored headcrabs don't armor the host body. 4:38 None of the Xen plant life is hostile or grabs you (only barnacles do that). 4:56 None of the fumes are harmful in game and are only hinted at being potentially dangerous. 11:48 Pretty sure the apartments aren't actually in the Vault. Its more likely caused by the Gman in some way. He manipulates reality...explaining the topsy-turvy building structures as you progress to his cell.
Barnacles :HAHAHA I GOT YOU IN MY TRAP! Player: OH SHOOT! Me: Just Cut The Tongue.
"Oh my god, Jeff are you okay?" Then she laughs. Lol I didn't see that part, that's hilarious.
The lightning dog can actually make sense on how they take control of corpses. Muscles rely on electricity to move. So you could be used by them easily.
I know it's supposed to be scary, but trying to kill the headcrab with the door was hilarious
This reminds me that Half Life, Left for Dead, and Portal are connected in the same universe. Aliens invading the city, the infestation of the aliens turn humanity into zombies, and mutated monsters, and then humanity decided to live underground with advance technology, but their main computer “GLADOS” betrayed her creator.
Civil protection are unmodified, grunts aren't as modified as combine soldier, as they do have more human conversations (ex. Stop kicking that). However the extent of modifications of grunts aren't known, they are likely modified in some way but no or little brain modifications.
I didn’t even know Jeff was in the elevator with me when he was lmao
7:11 that isn’t usually what they look like, since you can see on other corpses that, despite not having ears and hair, still retain a normal human head shape. It is likely that that soldier was killed by a poison headcrab or something similar.
@constantinmarin1408
4 жыл бұрын
He would have been killed by another combine solider after he would have "turned" as the headcrabs dont kill the host tbey "control" them. In half life 2 the headcrab jumps of to grab another host if the current is dead.
@googlesearchhistory5249
4 жыл бұрын
Constantin Marin Yeah true, just saying a poison headcrab probably did that since the neurotoxin and such likely deformed the head.
whats behind the combine's mask or a warm radio welcome of a combine.
I wish I could find the exact part of the game, but when you were in the Vault and the formerly-infected person starts levitating with its arms stretched out to the side... that was the worst
More like moments that make Ravenholm look pleasant… also there’s a much creepier image of an unmasked Grunt that show his eyes were removed and replaced with wires to connect to the mask.
The apartment building wasn’t “sucked up”. They found G man in the apartment building and built the vault around it
I love half life 2 best Uwu who here agrees? Edit:first time I played half life 2 I though Gordon Freeman was related to Morgan Freeman as a joke.
@nightowls_sleep
4 жыл бұрын
I would always remember only Freeman from Morgan Freeman's name and whenever anyone said Gordon Freeman I would always think of Morgan and always think "Wait... There's no way they put Freeman in this game".
@hib7295
4 жыл бұрын
UwU
The way you described the headcrabs....head suckers....listen to that without any visuals. Only the two words...just stating how funny it is to me.
Superhorrerbro: talks about Transhuman soldiers (Shows civil Protection) Civil Protection: what you think I’m a robot
i did not kill jeff and i thought he would still come after me through rest of the game :/ Kill him don't leave him like I did :)
You forgot to mention that headcrabs also mutate your hands and turn them into claws which is what they kill with
Yo the part where you need to not knock bottles jeff looks like a human scag
Still disappointed that there wasn't the other zombie variants from hl2
@pickle7428
4 жыл бұрын
Dude if they made their way to Half-Life Alyx the player wouldn't stand a chance against them
@pickle7428
4 жыл бұрын
Plus+ Due to the fact that the poison and fast variants are made by the combine maybe they are still not made in Alyx
@pickle7428
4 жыл бұрын
@@duolingobird2934 forgot about the fast one thx
@deetee2011
4 жыл бұрын
They removed the fast headcrab and zombie because it was seen as a unwanted jumpscare
Small correction. At 8:10, you show Civil Protection officers having a conversation when talking about how Combine soldiers sometimes talk to each other normally. Civil Protection and Combine soldiers are not at all the same. Metropolice are normal humans working for the Combine Empire, whole Combine soldiers are altered and changed to a point where they aren’t human.
When you see what happens to Jeff: it doesn’t matter what universe you’re from that’s gotta hurt
I feel like that zombie at the zoo pointing at that picture has some humanity left
you should do an Unheard story explained
SuperHorrorBro: These are the creepiest moments in Half Life: Alyx! *names every single creature in the game*
Civil protection have normal conversations because they're unmodded humans. They can rebel against the combine. Barney even served as a spy among the ranks of the civil protection. And since when are poison headcrab agile...
I always curious how headcrabs could see: let alone find hosts
this game is terrifying and intense as hell! I can't play it for more than an hour it's so intense.
what is the music at the beginning?
Right superhorrorbro
When he was talking about the combine he got something wrong. The ones in the van that gets destroyed is the Civil Protection. Who are mase up of non augmented humans usualy taking up this protection job under the idea of better food and housing.
the best part is that it isn't a horror game
G-man doesn't work for an unknown party, he IS the unknown party.
Valve never disapoints
Hes kicking it Overwatch says stop kicking it He stop kicking it
At 8:09 Did you realize the The guys who drove Alex before they were killed are actually willing participants of the combine without any technology They’re known as the metro cops
Am I weird for finding the normal headcrab kinda cute?
@hib7295
4 жыл бұрын
Yessss they look like uncooked turkeys-
@iamthemeguyhere
4 жыл бұрын
Metro Floody yes as in I’m weird or yes as in you agree?
@hib7295
4 жыл бұрын
@@iamthemeguyhere I agree they look kinda cute :3
The combine soldiers remind me of of the helghast soldiers from killzone
barnacles are easy to deal with bring a freaking boot or a box all the time