I really enjoyed watching the beautiful horses and the pretty western rider outfits! Thank you for posting more western show classes! 🤠❤❤❤❤❤🐎

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

You're welcome and thanks for your nice comment!

Thank you Dave for showing these western classes 🤠 I've never watched sop many western classes as I am on your channel 🐴 the lope looks so comfortable 👍 and practical for being in the saddle for a long time. I couldn't choose a winner - all the horses and riders did great 🏆

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

You're welcome, Sarah, and thanks for your nice comment! Glad you enjoyed seeing the Western classes. I thought the same thing about the lope being kind of like riding in a Cadillac.

Paint Horse is QH/Throughbred w Pinto markings.. Pinto can be Grade or Purebred anything with the Tobiano or Overo spotted pattern

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

OK, thank you very much for the info!

All so beautiful

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

I know what you mean! Once I saw the winner I could see why they picked him, but other than that they look amazing.

Wow, this is great

@erinbodine6933

Ай бұрын

I visit the show every year, and I watch the livestreams, and here I am watching your channel. There’s something about the Arabian horse that is the most magical of all breeds. Western pleasure on an Arabian is therapy and calming. But, I love the energy from other disciplines too, specifically Park horse. Thank you

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Thanks and I'm glad you liked it!

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@erinbodine6933 I'm glad you get to go there every year and can relive it through the videos.

This us coming from someone who bred and showed American Paint Horses for 30 years. To be a Paint, the horse must gave documented parents from an approved breed. Quarter horse, TB or go back to one if the original paints registered. A Pinto can be pretty much any breed or mixture of breeds (just not mules) as long as they meet the color requirements. So, a Paint can be double registered as a Pinto, but not all Pintos can be American Paint registered.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

That's great information and thanks for sharing!

@mariataylor1244

Ай бұрын

She's absolutely right. 😉 My registered Paint mare has QH and Thoroughbred breeding going all the way back to Jet and Impulsive with just enough Hancock tossed in for the excitement lol

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@mariataylor1244 that's very interesting and your horse sounds awesome!

Why are they all behind the vertical?

@patriciafarran9742

Ай бұрын

Because people think it looks good even though it’s cruel and totally unnatural for a horse to hold its head in that position.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@patriciafarran9742 it's not cruel and it doesn't hurt the horse. If you don't like how it looks, you are welcome to that opinion, but it's not causing pain to the horse.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

That's obviously the look they are going for.

@patriciafarran9742

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses The training IS cruel; it’s arduous and forced albeit done gradually. Anytime a horse is force to move in an unnatural position it’s abuse.

@patriciafarran9742

Ай бұрын

I’m stating a fact, not my opinion. Study the mechanics before telling me or anyone else there’s nothing wrong with making a horse hold their head behind the vertical. Rollkur is even worse, both involve hyperextending the muscles and ligaments. It’s unnatural and unnecessary, only the “show world” does things like this to horses.

To be registered as paint they must have 4 inch white spot or white past the knee or white going to bottom lip they more rules also

@MagnificentHorses

13 күн бұрын

@@DawnSchram-tl9xv thanks for that info!

Please do raining.

@XxShellyW13xX

Ай бұрын

Do you mean reining? It's tough to find classes like that for specifically Arabians.

@katherineklevenow1808

Ай бұрын

🌧️

@hollyhodge26

22 күн бұрын

​@@XxShellyW13xX they have it at Scottsdale. 😁

They look much much better than a Quarter Horse Lope, beautiful horses. Not sure what's happened with the Quarter Horses there heads hang really low. Maybe someone can enlighten me...

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Quarter horses naturally carry their heads low and Arabians naturally carry their heads in a high arch. So I'm sure that's where the difference comes from.

@DustyPawPaws

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses Quarter horses have been going through a trend of Breeding purposely for a very low headset. Unfortunately people are using horses as a trend setter so to speak. Going back through the years you can see people have made the different horse breeds into something they were not originally. For years it has been one thing then on to another. There is no such thing anymore to show a horse with its own natural headset and way of going. I believe Exaggerate is the key word in showing many breeds. Also, another interesting trend is to add extra hair extensions to tails. Kind of a downer to have a dead horses tail added to my horses tail.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@DustyPawPaws this particular show does not allow tail extensions. I don't know if that's the case for other Arabian shows.

@DustyPawPaws

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses .....I was not speaking of Arabs, you can see that in my comment ..My comment was in general about the breeds that do use extentions. Should have not made a general comment in here.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@DustyPawPaws no problem and thanks for clarifying!

Why do the riders hold their reins way out to the side? Too odd.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean. I think they mostly do it with younger horses like the ones in this class. It gives the rider better control, but I'm with you in that it looks kind of odd.

The riders hand placement is just strange…why are they doing that?

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

I don't know. Do any of you western folks have an answer for that?

@CarolinaCarolina-ph9mx

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses I think this style of holding the reins has evolved over time from the show training ring directly to the show ring. It allows the horses to be shown Western without being as fully trained and developed as they were in the past. The horses heads/noses are being manually held back by riders constantly in their mouths working to keep their heads back as well as in line. Watch the reins/hands when you get closer in because the riders hands aren't still, they are constantly tugging on them to pull their horses heads in. I used to watch my friend and other trainers do this over 30 years ago when she was training her Arabian for the Western classes. However, if my memory serves me correctly, when they got into the show ring they had to switch back to holding the reins in one hand and use neck reining. You would still see the riders flicking and jerking the reins to pull the horses heads back to try to keep them in frame, but that was more a reminder to the horse because if they'd pulled back much more it would have caused the horses to stop. They didn't have quite so much power to hold the horses noses back so far. Occasionally, some people would come into the ring holding two reins instead of one on horses that hadn't yet fully learned to neck rein or hold their noses tucked, but those would usually be people who had entered a class at that point not so much to try for a ribbon but to give their horses some experience in the show ring. I guess some of them started placing despite not holding the reins in the traditional way, and then seeing the edge that those folks had because they were manually able to hold the horses heads in place with both hands and not have to worry about transitioning to a single hand, or trusting the horse to keep its head in place, the rest of the crowd followed, and that is how we are here now with this weird reining. Well, that's my theory from what I saw back then to what I am seeing now - but I missed a lot of those years in between, so take it with a grain of salt. 🙃

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@CarolinaCarolina-ph9mx thanks for the info. A few years ago I watched a class where some used one hand on the reins and others used two hands. I asked about that and they said that horses under a certain age were allowed to have riders using both hands. I don't know that much about Western myself so I'm not sure about that. And don't give me wrong, I'm not a fan of holding the reigns up high and out at shoulder width.

@CarolinaCarolina-ph9mx

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses The age thing would make sense because they are still learning to set their heads as well as to neck rein with their heads tucked, too. Greener horses. However, weren't they all doing it? That's why I was musing that maybe seeing it gave those doing it a competitive edge, they all started doing it? I haven't been to a horse show in years, least of all an Arabian one, so I can only guess at what is happening. I do agree with you about how they are holding those reins. It can't be pleasant for the horses. :(

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@CarolinaCarolina-ph9mx that particular class was for junior horses that were five years old or less. So I'm wondering if maybe anything over five years old is where the cutoff is. But I don't know for sure about that.

I can't fairly rate these horses. The riders looked ridiculous on holding their reins the way they did. What's the reason for holding the reins that way? Any horse that looks like a pinto can be registered, as long as it's sire or dam are registered, and it would only be registered as a half Paint. If both parents are registered, the foal can be registered as both parents, such as Half Arabian and half Paint. I had a gorgeous mare that was registered half Arabian and half Paint. ❤ I really miss that mare, she was bomb proof. I could put little kids on her and she was just so gentle with them. Nothing bothered her.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the info and that Mare you had sounds like an amazing horse!❤️

@CindyMoore-te2yj

Ай бұрын

??? Sure has changed then, cause when I was younger Paint was a breed and Pinto was a color. Any breed could be a pinto but a paint had to be of paint, quarter, or tb breeding.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@CindyMoore-te2yj I thought the same thing! Apparently things have changed over the years unless it was always that way and we didn't know it.

@CindyMoore-te2yj

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses I know it used to be that way cause I tried breeding my quarter horses to paints. It started out with a half arab PINTO then moved on to PAINTS. One of the mares POCO SINDI BARS, had quarter horse foundation breeding. Bred her into the PAINT line., for color.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@CindyMoore-te2yj very cool! A long time ago I had a quarter horse named Poco.

The rolkur in this is horrible 😭 stop the abuse

@nozee77

Ай бұрын

A rollkur is much more extreme compared to this, horses have their noses almost touching their chest in rollkur. What is shown here is still an overextension though, on some horses at least, which can be uncomfortable as well.

Please correct your explanation of half-Arabian breeding! You stated they are "crossed with Thoroughbreds" they are actually crossed on ANY other breed. Saddlebreds are often used, but also warmbloods, and even grade horses with good type and conformation.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Actually what I said is correct. I said that Anglo Arabians are crossed with thoroughbreds. Half Arabians are crossed with any other breed.

The way they ride used to be considered schooling during a class and was D'Q. Now it seems to be the way they ride. 😢

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm not really a fan either.

@lauriehanson8624

Ай бұрын

I know. Not correct at all! Western is supposed to be ridden with both reins in one hand. What is this??

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@lauriehanson8624 that's what I always thought, too, both reigns in one hand. Apparently not anymore.

@DustyPawPaws

Ай бұрын

@@MagnificentHorses This is for young ones ...not yet on the bit!

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@DustyPawPaws that's what I figured but thanks for confirming that my suspicions were right.

Over bridled is not natural 🤮

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

OK thanks for the input!

@DustyPawPaws

Ай бұрын

Actually a Bosal is not "over bridled". So respectfully I really do not know what you think is over bridled.

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

@@DustyPawPaws judging by your other comments you are obviously knowledgeable, so thanks for the input.

@peggywhite93

Ай бұрын

@@DustyPawPaws over bridled is a term used for too much breaking over the poll. It's irrelevant whether a horse is ridden in a bridle, snaffle bit or a "bosal", they can still be ridden unnaturally with too much flex as in their nose to their chest.

Tief gezuppelt und auf der Vorhand latschend. Schade um die schönen Pferde.😢

I have ridden and shown on my quarter horses for over twenty five years and they don’t need to be doing this with Arabians , heads are to behind the vertical riders with their hand ridiculously to high it’s wrong on every level sorry they are beautiful horses but not to be ridden in this way 🤨

@MagnificentHorses

Ай бұрын

Thanks and I agree with what you're saying.

Not true pure breed Quarter horse and thoubreds are the only ones that can be registered as a paint anything else is a pinto the last I learned.

@MagnificentHorses

13 күн бұрын

@@DawnSchram-tl9xv I have a feeling that is still correct. And I'm guessing that between quarter horses and thoroughbreds there's at least 90% from quarter horse stock. Would you agree with that?

This is Not Beautiful. This Hurts in the neck and mouth.