i feel like something like this should be an olympic sport

@smh02

3 жыл бұрын

the mma of fencing lmao, it really should be

@waikintang8246

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to convince the Deep State of Olympic.

@mathquik1872

2 жыл бұрын

and surely it is un-realistic. Due that the metal is styropor, the whole weapon loses it's identity

@ThePalacios123

2 жыл бұрын

I have a perfect idea !, a system with a HP bar, and different points depending con where did you hit, similar of fencing

@diegocn123

2 жыл бұрын

I would hate to see something like this be ruined by olympic. Just look at how fencing, archery, and shooting lost their original intended purpose once it becomes olympic sport.

They are definitely lighter. Especially the Halberd. You could not sparr safely with our level of protection. However, the halberd is heavier than it seems, it has a hard core to allow for hooking actions.

@Psiberzerker

5 жыл бұрын

Is that haft circular in cross section? I prefer some flat, if you can, just shave the sides, so you can keep an eye on your opponent, and his weapon, instead of the position of your head. (I prefer Pollax, and Lucerne Hammer, but the principle is the same.) Also, the haft can turn in your hands, if it's completely round. With the spear, it isn't as critical, but when you have a blade that size, and a hook to hook with, which way it's turned is crucial to effective fighting, and striking. Otherwise, you might as well just have a spear.

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

Psiberzerker But what if you have you add in double-sided blades?

@enasnI99

3 жыл бұрын

@@FEAROWNAGE ...

at first i thought a halberd's end has more possibilities and thus was more dangerous, but clearly a spear's lighter nature allows much more dexterity to outmaneuver the halberd in practically every way, and still be very efficient at the one thing it was made to do -- stab, and although a long-pointed halberd can accomplishes the same thing practically, the blade portion is just naturally going to get caught on more and prevent a 'full damage' blow in 1v1 for anything non-1v1, i imagine the halberd being much more dangerous due to the offensive possibilities and weight, with a focus on catching people unawares

@jeroen92

5 жыл бұрын

halberd was meant for group vs group fighting tho, where it's bigger reach and hook are great advantages.

@thuranz2773

4 жыл бұрын

Halberd is also probably better for fighting heavily armoured foes.

@paddlesaddlelad1881

3 жыл бұрын

spears are meant to poke and not stab (assuming both actions are different)

@trustytrest

Жыл бұрын

Spears only have one way to win. Halberds have several. If you get past the tip of a spear, it's useless, which is what a halberd's hook can make happen. If you get past a halberd's tip, it can still kill you.

In my opinion, both weapons are great. However, a spear would be my first choice if I had to choose between them. A spear is traditionally lighter and more balanced when it comes to weight on one end. Also, one well-placed hit with a spear would be all you need in a fight (same goes for a halberd, too, but because a spear is faster, it could mean the difference in victory or defeat).

@CallyMayz

2 жыл бұрын

The halberd has increased versatility, and in a real fight unless very well placed individual spear hits are unlikely to end the fight.

@TacticalToast99

Жыл бұрын

Hello my other self, I would say the Halberd is better due to versatility, it's good for reach just like a spear but unlike a spear it can also be used against steel plate armour

@jonassanoj3045

Жыл бұрын

In a duel between a halberd user and a spear user, I would assume both parties are wearing armour, which complicates things. A thrust to the torso that would otherwise be fight-ending might do nothing if it just glides off a breastplate. A strike from a halberd might ("might" as in: I'm not sure to what degree and how likely that is) injure an opponent even through armor just through the concussive force. edit: Oops, didn't see that your doppleganger already gave essentially the same answer.

@robertwildschwein7207

Жыл бұрын

Because sparring is just about touching your enemy with the weapon, rather than killing an armored man, a long, light, balanced weapon like the spear is probably king

@ttchme9816

Жыл бұрын

A halberd was traditionally used against armored warriors, and especially riders. A spear would be better off to fight someone unarmored because it's faster, but a halberd has more utility.

unarmored spear wins easily its lighter, 1 stab in the vitals & its over. armored halberd easily the weight of a strong blow to the head alone would knock/kill any knight inside armor.

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

Depends more on the length of the spear vs the halberd; weight won’t make too much of a difference if the wielder has strong arms.

@thegk-verse4216

3 жыл бұрын

@@FEAROWNAGE Weight matter for the sole balance of the weapon. A spear is faster in any case

@yukic6927

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegk-verse4216 Yeah, also the weight wouldn't affect speed so much as stamina, in which case the spear is also better in that way.

@FanSkyrim

2 жыл бұрын

Joachim Meyer would disagree

@45calibermedic

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not easy. That would take a powerful, well-placed blow which is hard to have an opening to attempt until you have thoroughly out-fenced your opponent.

My two favorite type of weapons.

@lyne3640

4 жыл бұрын

same here :)

@last7509

4 жыл бұрын

Oberyn Martell has entered the chat

@creaturetransylvania8943

4 жыл бұрын

@@last7509 Who?

@creaturetransylvania8943

4 жыл бұрын

@@lyne3640 Nadia or Asia?

@eleethtahgra7182

3 жыл бұрын

@@creaturetransylvania8943 Game of Throne character.

it is interesting to watch as the match turns more in favor of the spear the longer it goes on. It seems the Halberdier is getting tired faster and slowing down.

@srobeck77

Жыл бұрын

Gives credence to skill level and physical conditioning. Both were lacking by the halberdier.

i figure spear can be longer since it's not that heavy on the other end.

@jonaspavelek1333

3 жыл бұрын

i think the long spears are called pikes and they can be like 5 m long

@keegentilley578

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonaspavelek1333 I always thought if it can be used with one hand it's a spear, if not it's a pike

@Blueturtle1

3 жыл бұрын

@@keegentilley578 I think pikes also have slight different heads. I think pikes usually have a thinner and longer head, sometimes with a hook of some sort?

@erojerisiz1571

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I know a pike is just a 3-6m long spear

Honestly the halberd feels more like it should be used to slash the enemy's limbs when pulled back on a missed thrust. That way you can actually still damage the enemy with any stroke used. Using it as a simple slashing weapon just seems plain wrong in my opinion. Tho I do also like the idea of locking the enemy weapon in the gap between the blade and staff and rotating it to your advantage. 1:19 that one was definitely a good use. His leg would have just been cut off at this point. 0:55 that one was also nice. Seemed like a weakness but it was such a good counter lol

I think the halberdeer focuses a bit too much on swings.

@farmerman7947

5 жыл бұрын

SteveAkaGoatpile the halberd is designed for slashing

@TheNivable

5 жыл бұрын

@@farmerman7947 Lindybeige disagrees. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaeXzceym9ezg5M.html and I think his arguments are reasonable.

@ilongfordarkness

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheNivable Yep totally agree. Leaves me wondering what the purpose of the axe like bit? A guess when used against calvary if you miss you can take a chop at his horse on the return stroke. Or if you knock him off the horse you could continue on directly into a chop instead of having to pull all the way back then thrust again.

@TheNivable

4 жыл бұрын

@@ilongfordarkness Well I can not add more knowledge than you might have received while watching the video from Lindy which I mentioned. A lot of halberds have the axe blade angled towards the wielder, which seems like it's absolute main purpose is indeed the return. One could argue that a billhook also does damage on the return HOWEVER the chance of losing your weapon is high when you hook into a fricking horse or some other sturdy thing. The angled axe blade has a rather low chance of getting stuck. Also think about formations which were always heavily defended in the front, sometimes with extra shields but certainly with thick breast plate but on the back, where the axe blade hits in the return, the armor is usually much much less.

@Dremons7

4 жыл бұрын

@@ilongfordarkness a heavy axe head with a small contact area can do massive damage even to an armored opponent. You cant do that with the spear tip only. Also remember that battles were mostly chaotic and halberds arent designed for dueling (and neither are spears)

Where do you guys learn to do this? It looks so cool...

@DavidM-um2uk

4 жыл бұрын

Look for your local HEMA chapter!

@DavidM-um2uk

3 жыл бұрын

@@iviolin6211 You can find a club here: www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders There's one in BC, Vancouver Historical Fencing

We should learn this in our school during P.E.

So just asking a question here, but does anyone know what the typical length of a halberd was? I've found conflicint information. With some sources claiming that they were actually quite short - 5-6 feet - which is shorter than the typical spear was - 6-7 feet or longer. But then I find some sources which claim that halberds could be quite bit longer than 5-6 feet, all the way up to 7 or 8 feet long. To me this seems like a very important consideration when trying to recreate this type of combat. A 5 foot long halberd will act and handle very differentlhy to an 8 foot long halberd. I'm not staking an opinion on which length is more correct, if indeed there is actualy a "correct" lenght, its just that the halberd being used here seems to be very long-hafted, and I was wondering if this is historically correct, or if it should have been shorter. Thank you for any info you all can provide regarding this. Cheers.

Is the spear guy Skallagrim?

That looks more like a crescent pole axe than a halberd to me.

@tristonboor5196

4 жыл бұрын

Halberds are more axe than hook. Haha also training weapons like those just need the weight of the actual weapon or a little more to make the real thing just a bit easier

@thaddeusgigachaddeus2954

Жыл бұрын

Poleaxes have hammer ends instead of a back spike, otherwise there's no real difference

I've got the feeling that these weapons are way to light... especialy the halberd... could that be?

@ecopis

4 жыл бұрын

Off course. They are not trying to kill each other.

@superfluous9726

4 жыл бұрын

@@ecopis Pathetic mortals. AVERAGE YOUR FALLEN!!! STEEL YOUR ENEMYS TEETHHHHHH!!!!!!

well it's really an hard one to tell Halberd has somewhat kind of more range or attacking method (could slash with the end) but the spear is more agile and faster to stab with (since weight) so I mean ... ehh ... personally I would say spear has a bit more advantage since a good stab would probably be the end of it ... ? Halberd stabs slower and somewhat deal less damage from stabbing compared to spear, and the slash is only useful when you out range the opponent, a direct stab from the spear would usually be quicker than a round slash from a halberd.

I feel like the halberd is more of a destructive weapon than this can offer to show. With a halberd you put a LOT of momentum into a long stick, that blade is EASILY going to hit through armor if it's real. A spear relies on a straight stab which is effective, but with the right armor and footwork a spear can almost be made useless.

Consensus seems to be that spear is the best Melee weapon ever as far as actual combat hoes..ive lately wanted to get one any recommendations?

@fluidityarchives4411

4 жыл бұрын

I would check Etsy for hand-forged spearheads. Better attention to detail/ruggedness, compared to made-in-China toys, as well as better responsiveness to customers. Combine this with some dowels from your hardware store. The staff should be slightly taller than you, for medieval size, and a head shorter than you for hunting purposes.

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

A nimble man with a sword would prove you wrong.

@DmoneyS44

4 жыл бұрын

Kharn a nimble man with a spear would prove him wrong

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

DmoneyS44 Not if the nimble man with a sword can bob and weave competently.

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

I mean swords are just faster and more practical in a full-on battle. The only times in which a spear would be better are at range or on horseback; if you can weave your way around the spear and use your arms and legs to knock the enemy off balance, you could get under him behind his arms and decapitate him, slit his belly, or slice his throat.

Dudes be doing a Vlandian Voulge vs Imperial Menavlion 💀

That is a huge f****** axe on that halberd... I postulate that a proper design on the halberd would beat the spear. If the spear misses, it misses. If a halberd with a lot of nasty spikes and hooks misses... it doesn't miss :)

@JohnDoe-zh6cp

4 жыл бұрын

It's large like that to simulate the proper weight ratio if it were a steel head. It's designed to be used by someone in full harness against someone else in full harness so it sacrifices some of the maneuverability of a spear to be more effective against armor.

@christianpetersen163

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-zh6cp Good point, but I think air resistance is playing in here more than weight.

@danielaramburo7648

4 жыл бұрын

Both have a reach advantage over a sword or axe, but I give it to the halberd. You can turn a miss into a cut with it’s extra accessories. But a really talented soldier can use the more nimble lighter spear to his advantage. It comes down to the skill of the user.

@jordansblabbering6303

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-zh6cp I think you mistake a poleaxe for a halberd

@JohnDoe-zh6cp

4 жыл бұрын

Vojtovy vědecké bláboly That’s not a poleaxe. No hammer head.

From the outside looking in. It looks like this comes down to skill at this point and understanding there wepons. The Halberd can knock the spear down for an easy follow up thrust. But if the spear can avoid the Halberd strike he has the advantage in getting a thrust in.

0:05 this moment should be used in some movie fight

amazing

So...based on this Layman one on one level; spear would win. Halberd seems cumbersome and take sometime to get used to. Middle and up; It depend on skill, I guess. In army battle equipped with gambeson or brigandine, cone-helmet n gloves; My bet would be that halberd would win in an army battle if its purely head on battle.

@williamfescemyer4739

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think it comes down to experience, as black simply had better control that white, and the white fighter was not bullying and pushing around black enough. Also mixed formations are best formations, with pikes intermixed with halberds. The armor penetration also makes a larger difference than pure chances to hit as well.

@eleethtahgra7182

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamfescemyer4739 thats why I distinguish between layman and experienced fighters.

Awesome

Head of the halberd seems too large, is it not?

With a properly designed Halberd this is a pretty lopsided fight. It is just too easy to trap the opponents shaft with the intersection of the axehead and point. Once you do you just slide up the shaft and the opponent either drops the weapon or his hand gets mangled.

Who scored the most? It looks like the spear to me but in not sure Also is the halberd longer than the spear? Wouldn't a spear be more likely to be longer than a halberd?

@chrisfyffe910

5 жыл бұрын

No a halberd is generally longer. You want a spear to be little lighter and smalled to improve mobility aswell as make it easyier to throw.

@luskarian4055

3 жыл бұрын

Pikes and such are definitely longer, but they're more meant to be used on the battlefield, not in a duel

Its a though one, but Halberds prevails

Wait, they dont one hand a spear and throw it just like in the movies?

That helberd is missing the pike at the end

Another reason why halberds aren’t really made for 1v1s. Still an amazing weapon, probably one of the best in group fights. But in a 1v1. A spear is just better.

The spear guy did good at first but after a bit, the halberd dude started using the weight to just say "parry this!"

HALBERDIERS Charge!!!!!

@markziff7234

5 жыл бұрын

Spears set to receive!

@jackenglish5777

5 жыл бұрын

@@markziff7234 *everyone dies in a 2 second long bloody mess*

Could make this like blood sport. Champion takes all.

My favourites are Bludgeon (Sidearm), Bec De Corbin, Goedendag, Morgenstern and Flail (Polearm).

That contraption is more voulge than halberd. A halberd can hook with both sides of the head. That thing can hook with neither.

This is why I like the spear better

@jackenglish5777

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah both are great

I think spear for lighter infantry Then switch to halberd for heavily armoured opponents

Spear vs spear with extra blades

Just imagine Law Bringer in this (For Honor)

@wisewigga7129

3 жыл бұрын

in full plate

I would change my hold of halberd and try to contest spear with spike on backside of pole

I think Halberd is so OP because it's a replica, the real one is really heavy like 2-3 kg at least, the metal was put on the edge, so It's practically one of the heaviest weapon out there. Not to mention the stamina and endurance and footwork required to stay in combat for at least 2-3 minutes. While the spear irl is significantly lighter (practically a bamboo stick lol). That's why Halberd is seemingly OP.

Lawbringer a king

@thelionofjudah5318

4 жыл бұрын

Kylix C. AD MORTEM INIMICUS

ok now pike versus halberd

I have a halberd at home custom made

@last7509

4 жыл бұрын

Oberyn wants to know your location

Spear wielder needs to spend 1 skill point in mikiri counter.

halbert would be more usefull if it have a sharp end it could use more defend and do blunt dmg while guarding

Unarmored spear all the way , but I think armor would be different.

I have a real halberd,sword,and viking battle axe at home in my closet i just lock it so my bros don’t get hurt

To be Fair a Metal Halberd would be used to hook...Bind and Break Spears. But Spears were more easily Thrown.

Wow

Its sparing, he cant just swing the damn thing and end it. You wont get out of its way in time, you can see it coming, if he had enough space to impart enough force into his swing. You will not stop the blow. Same as a zweihander. The Mass it what matters here. I would argue even un armored, if it was an actual fight 1v1. The spear is not going to win. You will not run into the guy with a halberd just to get a possible win. Your best bet is to run away.

STICK WAR!!! (halberd master race)

Shorten the grip of the halberd, then you will feel better to spin

we do get than a halberd is a spear but with a hook and a axe? its better!

Yep. It definately feels like the spear allows the user to have more turn movements than the halberd. While the halberd user is having trouble with the extra weight, you are planning where to strike next, and that gives a lot of advantage, if both are unarmored.

I prefer halberds

я конечно извиняюсь но по большей части движения с алебарды херня не было у алибардистов таких движений, человек показывает Китайский стиль!

Halberd’s the best because if u can’t chop, u can stab.

@charleybrett1663

4 жыл бұрын

Spears are lighter and quicker than halberds, making them superior when fighting in and against light armour

@FEAROWNAGE

4 жыл бұрын

Charley Brett Halberds can hook the spear and pull it from the enemy’s hands. Plus they’re more versatile.

@marius40838

3 жыл бұрын

@@charleybrett1663 yeah but try using a spear against heavier armor :D and sometimes even against light armor it could prove iineffective

@charleybrett1663

3 жыл бұрын

@@marius40838 Heavy armour was almost exclusively used by knights, who were not exactly common on the battlefield. For 99% of the enemy's troops, a spear is effective.

It pisses me off that it's so damn hard to find a real (fair) spar like this with yari's (Japanese spear) because all they do is that slow pre-determined kata form shit.

sadly neither of them uses spear and helbard at their full potential... :(

@egfhema6177

4 жыл бұрын

show me someone who does.

@marius40838

3 жыл бұрын

are you dumb ? its not like they are trying to kill each other

It seems from the nature of this type of sparring match, it artificially gives too much credit to the superficial slashing attacks of a spear but not enough credit is given to the devastating slash of the halberd. Obviously, both can equally end the fight with a well-placed poke. On a side note, this halberd user wasn't very skilled, nor was he aggressive enough with the slashing motions to take advantage of that weapons strengths--aka 95% of the time, he was just poking with the spear end only. Maybe that's the crux here. A halberd requires more skill & training than a spear, similar to honing sword skills. I bet this halberd fella could take out most spear wielders in a dual: kzread.info/dash/bejne/YpOcp7pvgLXNh5c.html

One thing I think a lot of people commenting here don't seem to get is that the halberd was very much intended as an anti-armor/anti-cavalry weapon and not just an anti(unarmored)infantry weapons. By the time halberds were commonplace, armor was also much more common. If the question is unarmored combat, I'd personally go with the spear, more nimble, but if Iwas fighting an armored opponent, espeically in plate armor, hands down you would go with the halberd. Full plate harness, which was relatively common by the late medieval period, look up munition grade armor, was EXCELLENT against stabbing attacks - which is the spears bread and butter, and not so good against blunt trauma, like being hit by a big ass stick with a hunk of metal on it - the halberd.

Что за лажа мне вылезла?

Surely swinging the halberd like a hammer would be more effective, he's only using it like a spear so obviously the thing that is a spear will win.