Hail Proof Roofing Shingles? Class 4 Hail Rating Explained
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Asphalt Roofing Shingles: Class 4 Hail Rating Explained
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The type of shingles that a contractor pitches to a client are important. As is common in business, quality is usually commensurate with price. It’s the same thing with shingles. Without question, Class 4 shingles are the superior product, but each contractor charges different prices for them.
In this video, Dmitry covers the finer components of Class 4 shingles and warns of contractors who may be trying to charge as much as 200% extra for the Class 4’s.
We have broken down the explanation into four easy sections:
1. Cost - Class 4 shingles use SBS technology, which makes the shingles better resistant against hail damage. But note the “better resistant” label. These shingles are not hail proof, so if a contractor tries to tell you they are, and doesn’t include this language in their warranty, take your business elsewhere.
While the product costs more money, the labor to install this type of shingle is still the same. But some contractors may try to sell you that the shingle itself drives their price up exponentially. That’s simply not true.
If the shingle costs 10-30% more, the labor should appropriately follow suit by charging an additional 10-30%.
Northgate, made by Certainteed, has a good price on their shingles, but keep reading for why they still fall WAY short.
2. Performance - These shingles’ performance cannot be judged by the condition of the exterior. The Class 4’ s are more rubbery and also heavier, which is good for absorbing pellets of hail.
Brands like DaVinci and F-Wave have tested very well in rigorous performance exercises, but other brands also are more than capable.
3. Expectations - As a customer, you should expect Class 4’s to be the most superior product on the market. With that being said, they are still not HAIL PROOF. High integrity companies will emphasize this fact, but again, be wary of someone who casually insists these shingles will survive any and all blasts of hail.
As mentioned, check the terms in warranties.
Certainteed cleverly hides their warranty information regarding Class 4’s, but when you dig deeper, you’ll find that there is NO coverage for Class 4’s in “act of god” circumstances. This is a polite way of saying that when the heavens send hail crashing down on your roof, Certainteed will not be held responsible. And since they double their price for these shingles, it’s safe to say you should look elsewhere for your Class 4’s.
4. Recommendation - Disregarding Certainteed, Dmitry finds that other brands are comparable in value. As a customer, you have to decide if paying extra for Class 4’s fits into your budget. The price increase can be hefty, and if you’re not willing to make that sort of financial commitment, you may want to reexamine your roofing options.
Asphalt Roofing Shingles: Class 4 Hail Rating Explained
In this video, Dmitry goes in-depth about Class 4 shingles and what makes them different. From warranties to performance, he dives into what you really need to know about Class 4 shingles with examples from several brands. Does he recommend Class 4? Does he recommend certain brands?
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Topics in this video:
0:00 -Opening montage
0:25 -Introduction
1:31 -Class 4 Rating is misleading
4:03 -1. Cost
5:12 -2. Performance
8:51 -3. Expectations
13:43 -4. Recommendation
15:42 -Conclusion
16:27 -Contractors, what do you think?
16:36 -Homeowners, need a Trusted Contractor? Visit: RoofingInsights.com
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Dmitry is the founder and CEO of Storm Group Roofing: Minneapolis based roofing contractor with office in Orlando, FL: stormgrouproofing.com, stormgrouproofingorlando.com
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I just started following you and I have learned a lot about the questions I should be asking . Thank you. I looking for a roofer in the South Florida area. I had a new roof installation done in 2012 by what appeared to be reparable company and they “ripped” me off, by not installing the shingles ( GAF) as indicated in their contract. When I call them , they came out once to do a repair; then I couldn’t get in touch with them afterwards. I’m so angry, they took advantage of me. Thanks to you and other research I know what to ask for and what to expect. Help! I need recommendation in the South Florida area?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Check out roofinginsights.com/directory for recommendation!
@gsusmakama
3 жыл бұрын
This is glorious, I have been researching "early symptoms of shingles on the face" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Xanaleb Deniden Blueprint - (do a google search ) ? Ive heard some pretty good things about it and my colleague got cool success with it.
@None-685
11 ай бұрын
I need a recommendation. CT
As an insurance adjuster, I like your truthfulness of product awareness and knowledge. When you consider a roof covering is one of the largest investments in maintaining our property, I would like to feel confident in making the best purchase. I believe it to be plausible for you to provide "Roofer Ratings", kind of like consumer reports. This may encourage positive peer pressure for the manufactures to be more accountable. As an insurance adjuster, we sometimes observed manufacturing issues, such as a week bond that doesn't secure the shingles in a high wind. Like you we have also observed shorted nail fields on the shingles lacking in over-lap. Keep up the good work! Hutch Roberts, FL
One of the best videos I've watched in maybe ever. Straight to the point. Honest. So hard to find these days. Thanks.
Such a great video Dmitry. We are so thankful you do this. No ties to any certain brand just honest talk
Love your knowledge on the subject. Watched most of your videos. Big fan.
Thank you for being brutally honest. Wish you were in my area.
Love ur videos Dimitry! Ive been trying to learn about shingles and am a total newbie so ur informative and thorough breakdowns of what goes on in this industry have been invaluable...
I love the videos by you! I recently entered the roofing world and your videos have been a great help. I think the main benefit of IR shingles for the homeowners is the reduction in insurance premiums (if they qualify in that area).
I really enjoy your content! It’s very educational. I’m trying to open my own roofing company in Indianapolis soon. 😊
Good stuff man very educational love it
Excellent info. And presentation!
very informative. Thank You Sir.
We sell almost exclusively OC Duration. If a customer asks for IR shingles we explain that it helps for hail up to about 1.5" depending on density and that they main benefit is just the yearly reduction in premiums. We charge $35/sq for Storm & $55/sq for flex
Great job Dimitri
Thanks for another excellent and honest video.
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
Good job my friend, Muy buen trabajo amigo
You are always on point. Thank you!!!!
I'm in Texas and I pitch class 4 for the insurance discount only. I tell customers that for the first 5 years it might have an effect on hail damage. But the discount is almost always worth it. I charge $30-40/Sq for the upgrade. For most people the insurance savings pays for the upgrade in 3-4 years.
@murraydupley9330
2 жыл бұрын
$30/sq foot or 100' reroof with shingles
@kenlieberman4215
Жыл бұрын
@@murraydupley9330 A roofer's square is 10'x10', so 30 cents a sq ft. Around 10% more, with most guys around $300 a sq.
The country needs like 2500 roofers like you. The big shots getting huge profits over the little(consumers)guys for the same product basically is disgusting
Great info.
Always great videos. Homeowner here... trying to decide on a contractor. If you ever in The Villages FL area, I would love to meet you. I've been watching your videos for over two years. You are the Rock Star of roofing information. Great work!!!
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Please check out Directorii.com for recommendation near you. What’s your zip code? I will be in Florida this week. You can text me: 612-558-4881, Dmitry
@islandtimerick2671
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Spoke with one of your recommended roofers today. Eustis Roofing. Seems like a great company.
Very helpful. Thanks
My parents home in Ireland slate roof no maintenance in my lifetime 36 years ,dad says he had to get a few slates after a major storm before I was born ,now here in Canada roof leaking after 1 winter definitely built to fail
Thank you for the great and very important information for our industry. It's hilarious how most Homeowners insurance actually gives there customers a substantial discount in there annual cost for simply installing something that doesn't keep its promises. Class 4 is all they want to see, Class 4 doesn't necessarily mean Hail proof but most paper pushers don't know that it's all a technicality for them. Pay up to 8% more for "impact" resistance shingles and save up to $120.00 per month on your premium.
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@claude6141
2 жыл бұрын
Our insurance company, American Family only gave us a $141 discount per year for IR shingles and the cost difference was almost 30% higher for class 4
Great video! I need a new roof - and I'm leaning strong toward a synthetic installation. Any recommendations for a roofer in the Dallas area that has a track record with synthetics?
The upgraded shingle isn't worth the higher price in hail prone areas. Hail storms are directional so while the slopes on the storm side may sustain damage the slopes on the other side may resist the less direct impacts. So, while all the neighbors with the cheaper shingles are getting full roof replacements, the guy who paid more for his roof only gets paid for half a roof by his insurance company.
Honesty the best policy Lic. Gen. Contractor since 1988.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
32 years of experience. Wow! Amazing! Keep it up!
Granules serve functional purposes. Dislodging granules is functional damage.
I live in Seattle, rains a lot, could you recommend a good roof for raining Seattle and good roof installer? Thanks so much!
I don’t supplement insurance companies or charge 100 to 200 percent more for upgrades. 10 to 20% is plenty. I started my owe company because the company I sold for was selling a 2,000 dollar warranty to homeowners when it was free to sign them up. It was disgusting. Homeowner beware of those upgraded warranties. I sign my customers up for free.
i'm having a new roof installed by a company named Absolute Roofing in Springfield, Missouri. Are they someone you would recommend, and they are going to install Malarkey Vista ir class 3 shingles.
What do you think as far as longevity difference can I possibly expect from the three highest big $ ones you show here, say in Denver climate. Insurance hail claim is approved for a high grade, 40year as what was measured with their gauge from 22yr old roof, and plan on staying here for a while. In a very nice neighborhood with a lake front and wonder if the upgrade is worth it for the very high end stuff.. Roofers are willing to give me the class 4 SBS in price, just wondering? Thanks from Co...
I'm ready to re-roof my home. Need your advice please.
Sir I like your video about the roof. I’m a resident of Ohio in greater cincinnati location. Precisely I live in Hamilton in Fairfield Township. Now I’m a research to find the best roof option for my own house. Since I’m completely unknown about this product. So, would you not mind helping me find the best option of roofs please. Or if you were me which one would you choose? I need your honest recommendation plz I would heartily appreciate you for this kind help of making a right choice. My roofing contractor has asked me to give him my decision as soon possible possible. Thanks
Thanks for this info. I wish you were available up here in Alberta, Canada.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
We do have roofing contractors we recommend in Alberta!
@ekaterinagasanova7037
3 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 do you mind to name them , please 🙂
@openyoureyes3113
3 жыл бұрын
I’m Shingles & Shakes Roofing out of Calgary I’m a ticket journeyman Roofer. I do my own installation. Then roofing since 1983 I’m looking at join his directory I’m just out of the blue responding.
Thank you very much for the content.. I live in Florida I was wondering what would be a recommended shingle since we don't get much hail but a lot of wind.
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Look up our 2020 roofing shingle guide on KZread. It will help you to make decision
@andersonroofing589
3 жыл бұрын
Metal
What material price per sq for each of the polymer shingles you showed??
Nobody ever talks about cold/hot/ice daming protection with these new polymers? All Hail talk? Does the rubberized product have other benefits benefits
Hi Dmitry, 1- How do you know if a Shingle is Class 4, I live in Canada and am interested in BP products. 2- I noticed contractors seem to push 1 or 2 Styles on the customer. (ex Mystique) However, I don't like the dragon tooth look. Is this a better product than lets say the one I find more appealing like a 3 tab shingle "DAKOTA"? or am I doing myself a disservice? 3- What is truly the Difference between BP (Mystique 42) and (Everest 42) and (Dakota)? Which one would you choose? Thank you Caroline 🌷
Hey Guys. How do Malarkey Vista compare to Atlas Pro-Lam?
I’ve been in business for about two years and I switched from a basic asphalt shingle too Malarkey products. I’m in the Chicago area i’m subscribed to your Channel. We recently sold our first legacy job a few days ago after making the switch to Malarkey. Compared to the similar class 4 products SBS. Where does legacy stand on your list. Or do you just recommend I just push Highlander and Vista and when it comes to a class 4 shingle skip legacy and start with da Vinci or F-wave. I’m not sure if F-wave is available in my area but I did watch your f wave video and I’m impressed I know da Vinci is sold in my area compared to those two what do you recommend. I found this video very informative
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Malarkey legacy is great. I think when it comes to F wave or Da Vinci its all about budget. I would keep up selling something class 4 and would sell it against regular shingles as upgrade unless people have money to pay for more
@flakkog197
4 жыл бұрын
That’s good to know I would look into the other class 4 products that are available. Thanks for your reply
@ricotheroofexpertfromghrs
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Dmitry didn't talk about Malarkey Legacy but maybe because he used Northgate instead as an example for Class 4 Impact Resistant Asphalt shingle. Good videos!!!
You should do a best asphalt class 4 rated shingle comparison. Duration flex, northgate, gaf stormguard etc.
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
We are doing it soon
@jessicac4751
11 ай бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0did you ever do a video comparing the class 4 shingles from several different companies?? I'd love to see it! It would definitely be helpful to use as I'm researching what to replace my roof with. Thank you!!
Euroshield is the only roofing material with an unlimited size hail warranty (Vermont Slate). How do you do a video like this and not include them?
I'm installing Northgate on a roof because it's supposed to seal better in cold weather
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
That’s a good reason to do it
Mr. D. have you tested the OC Weatherguard class 4. Thanks, your vids are well done.
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Not yet!
I am looking for a recommendation for a roofing contractor in the St. Paul MN area
Hello Dmitri, Thank you for your review on class 4 shingles. I am very interested to hear how Presidential Shake TL performs vs class 4 shingles. The prince is significantly different. I would greatly appreciate any feedback on that. Sincerely, JM
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
Presidential shake is amazing option, can’t go wrong with it
@justinomora6678
4 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Thank you so much for your response.
I love you bro. I'm debating between a metal roof and an asphalt and it's hard to make my mind up. Is it true that a metal roof is 3 times more costly? And still doesn't hold up as good?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
What market are you in? Check Directorii.com for our recommendation. Metal is not alway 3 times. Could be as little as 50% more
Me in canada we mostly instal iko dynasty
Roof shingles have warranties?
IDK why roofing videos like these can't take a split 2nd to name the color. It's insanely hard for a homeowner to see 'real' color other than forcing them to buy a bundle to take home. Like I'd love to know what that main shingle section is
@243wayne1
10 ай бұрын
It's called "Black Tart Ojibue."
What do you think about how they rubberized and perform better in colder climates. Also, do you believe that they are thicker better shingles in general
@kenlieberman4215
Жыл бұрын
He said they thicker better shingles in general, and worth paying an extra 10-20%. It's not a big improvement for hail prone environments.
Hi Again I just got a Quote/estimate and the contractor only uses CertainTeed Landmark would you recommend this over my BP choices? Also, When getting estimates is there things we should look out for or need to ask? Are we allowed to ask how much per square foot? so roofers can back with different square feet in their quotes, so if they quoted us lower and we take them for the job will we have to pay more later? Thanks Caroline
@kenlieberman4215
Жыл бұрын
CertainTeed and BP are comparable, if he's a certified by the manufacturer (which likely why he wants to only use one product as you have pay to go to their school etc.), then you may be able to get a free extended warranty.
For hail protection, do you recommend Owens Corning 'Duration Flex' shingles, over their 'Duration Storm' shingles? Both are class 4. I've read all the Owens Corning website info, and still can't determine if one is better than the other.
@ZAPATTUBE
Жыл бұрын
Dave, what did you find out? I have the same question.
@av1204
11 ай бұрын
@@ZAPATTUBE flex is better but not in all markets. I am putting storm on because of that.
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I am going to be purchasing a new roof. I live in Michigan. What shingle should I let the contractor sale me.?CertainTeed, Atlas Pinnacle, and GAF Timberline ?
@dr_920
3 жыл бұрын
Tough choice man. I am in the same situation. I am Texas and am looking for a new roof. Not sure which brand to go.
I have a friend who invented a super cool tool for the roofing industry or anyone who is on roofs. How do I get you to do a review for him?
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Have him text me: 612-558-4881
@Jessehernandez83
3 жыл бұрын
Roofing Insights I will do that his name is don graham
Bought new home, sellers have to replace roof. Roofer asked if we want to upgrade to class 4 for 1053$. State farm just changed policy to 30%, that's right, 30% discount for class 4 shingle. We save 500 a year on insurance and will save 500 upfront at closing. Over 5 years we will have saved 1500$ vs not upgrading to class 4. That's what you call a "No Brainer"....
@MrMkapusta
4 жыл бұрын
Cody Webster you think this would work to lower an existing insurance policy? I also have State Farm and am also needing a new roof soon.
@tacobob891
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrMkapusta I am not sure, I know part of it has to do with the state you live in. I'm in Oklahoma (Tornado Alley). You may ask your insurance agent about it.
@MrMkapusta
4 жыл бұрын
@@tacobob891 👍
@BrickWilbur2369
4 жыл бұрын
Bad math. 500 a year for 5 years is $2500 not $1500
@tacobob891
4 жыл бұрын
@@BrickWilbur2369 we had to pay 1000 dollars difference for the class 4 shingles. The first 2 years pay for the extra 1000 we had to pay for the class 4. So after 5 years we have saved 1500. 1000 dollar difference (first 2 years money saved pays the 1000 dollar cost difference) 500$ next 3 years makes for a total of 1500 saved over 5 years genius. Think before you speak.
Can you give me a suggestion for a roofer in my area? Middlesex County, New Jersey
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, please check our recommendation on roofinginsights.com/directory
Hey there I'm in need of a roof the roof installs atlas he said if I upgrade to the stormmaster it's like 30 to 40 more sqf he said it's a better shingle but is it worth the money to upgrade it comes to about 1000 total and are the insurance companies really giving breaks for this shingle? I dont really get much hail but we live in pa we have cold and hot months. What's your opinion
@RoofingInsights3.0
4 жыл бұрын
I would upgrade it
@mtbsobe
4 жыл бұрын
@@RoofingInsights3.0 thank you I also wanted to ask you what's the best rodge vent material to go with? The installer said he just uses that rolled black mesh?
hi i am in india this product is avavilable in india
FYI: DaVinci product warranty has the same exclusion of hail. 😔 "LIMITATIONS. The following non-inclusive list of circumstances will not result in a Permitted Claim;... Impact of foreign objects, fire, earthquake, flood, hail, lightning, hurricane, tornado or any other casualty or act of God;" I was disappointed to see that.
How do you know they're class 4? I s it written o the package?
@243wayne1
10 ай бұрын
YES.
I have heard "hail proof" in this video we have to remember if you are selling hail proof shingles you are setting yourself up to fail. No shingle is hail proof remember the other name for class 4 is Impact Resistant, that is what you sale. Not all class 4 shingles are created equally
8% more for the upgrade
All shingle manufacturer are basically doubling the price.
Anybody that you recommend in brownsville tx??
@RoofingInsights3.0
3 жыл бұрын
please check out directorii.com for recomendation!
why was the consumer hella old
you are so cute
Isn't it amazing bet a lot of these people don't even believe in God and want to say no warranties for damage caused by an act of God lol scammers
You spoke too much.