I love the phrase "join the speech community" vs "learn the language" ❤❤❤

@ethantroutethan725

3 жыл бұрын

M m

@karim_wafa

Жыл бұрын

Same❤

Love this TED Talk. He's so right. The biggest obstacle to learning another language is not wanting to look stupid. You have to leave your ego at the door. After that it's just learning the most important words in the language; moving your facial muscles, mouth, and tongue like native speakers do; and going out there and doing your best.

@trommelbiel

7 жыл бұрын

I wanted to say the same thing before I read your post. What impressed me was when he said that learning a new language is like having another chance to become a child again. This could have other health and mental positives that are yet to be explored. I am learning Chinese now and when I conversed with Chinese people they were so impressed and one of them begged me to keep learning.

@xiaoqiandeng3322

5 жыл бұрын

in my opinion, learning a new language is learning new things again with the new language, rather than studying a kind of language

@coladelrossi

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely incorrect. Many things he says are not quantifiable (what is fluent?) and flat out wrong (anybody can learn to pronounce any sound in any language in the world). Further, most of the ideas and strategies he is suggesting are appropriate in informal situations with family and friends. However, if the situation is more demanding; business, politics, philosophy, policy, law, etc, etc, the lower levels of language and the conversation's counterpart's patience simply don't suffice. Even after many years of living in another country, it is still common to find oneself in a situation where an entire passage of speech is virtually incomprehensible due to unknown vocabulary, grammar and dialectic. Yes, playing Charades and Taboo with native speakers of our second language is fun for a while, but there is simply no replacement for and no easy answer to achieving native level competence in a second language. A far better idea, in the long term, would be for all countries of the world to agree on a global public language which becomes the language of education. Since English is already the global language of science and because it is my native language, I shamelessly believe it should be English!

@stanislaffgeyko7172

4 жыл бұрын

@@coladelrossi But it is so: anybody can learn how to pronounce any sound in any language in the world. It's undoubtedly an absolute true. Even deaf people can do it. I know why you doubt it. You just didn't ever see how articulatory instructions could be used to learn new sounds. It's my pleasure to give you this excerpt of Catford's Practical Introduction to Phonetics: To synthesize glottalic pressure [k'], go carefully through the following steps. (i) Tightly close the glottis and keep it closed (i.e. hold your breath) until the very end of the experiment (step v). (ll) While keeping the glottis closed, bring the back of the tongue into firm contact with the roof of the mouth, making a[kl-closure- and hold that closure. (iii) Slightly raise the larynx, compressing the air trapped between the glottal closure and the [k]-closure. (lv) While maintaining glottal closure and high pressure of the trapped air, suddenly release the ft]-closure. The result should be a glottalic pressure [k'l with a short, sharp small explosion. (v) Now, at last, open the glottis-which should have been held closed throughout the experiment. Fig. 10 shows, diagrammatically, the sequence of events. Now go through the procedure several more times while looking at the diagram. Having learned to produce a simple glottalic pressure [k'1, try holding the breath for several seconds-keeping the glottis closed- and do a series of ft']s . . . Ik'l tkl ft'] on one stretch of glottal closure. I am very sorry for the quality, but I cannot possibly make it better unless I retype the text. This is a copy-paste from a scanned book. I have learned to make this particular sound as well as many others by doing such exercises. I chose this sound to show because it was the first sound I found challenging. I recommend everyone carefully read this book and do the exercises.

Completely agree. Learning Cantonese has put this into perspective for me. The richness of the language is mindblowing, and apart from the huge lexicon, tonal and writing systems, developing proficiency in it involves familiarity with regional culture and customs that only comes from one thing: massive exposure. Promoting accurate pronunciation and grammatical notions as the key to learning, while saying "we don't need to know that much vocabulary" gives a misleading impression of the task ahead

"oral coreography"...I don't think I've ever heard that before. That is a really good way to put how to shape your mouth to make the different sounds that different languages make. Pretty cool.

This man describes beautifully how to learn a language. Getting over embarrassment is key, then training muscles to formulate sounds correctly. Learning simple connecting words, gaining a wholistic view of the grammar system and the vocabulary needed to express our physical, emotional and social responses. This is a great beginning. I would add learning some phrases that work in social situations such as Hello and Glad to meet you.

@lindasoderquist4452

5 жыл бұрын

He also mentions relying on the other speaker for help and learning to improvise. Learning the unique cadence of a new language is important. He gives important reasons for making the effort to learn a language and how it will change your life. There is too much to learn so it is important to trim the task to a manageable size by prioritizing what you need to learn. I think that a holistic view of vocabulary also helps such as understanding word families.

brilliant! best TED talk about learning languages!!!

What a sweet, kind, gentle presentation. Sums up what I've been realizing and frames language learning in concise manner.

Conor Nitap, you continue to amaze me. As someone who is hoping to further go into Linguistics I definitely can look up to you. I feel as though I learned much listening to this

Lots of reading and listening. The emphasis on speaking early in most language instruction is misplaced. They key is to understand what is said.

@jianfeibai

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Kaufmann I agree with you 100%

@Shadownailshot

3 жыл бұрын

@@jianfeibai I'm currently taking classes under Connor in a language reclamation project, and I disagree. Also, cognitive linguistics would disagree as speaking and understanding what is heard are happening in different parts of the brain and thus bring different kinds of understanding. Doing the both of them will only help more.

@rajurima9123

3 жыл бұрын

Does listening to a language intensively help in speaking well?

@TaoLiveYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajurima9123 in can trully confirme you that it is isn't right i have been watching anime for the past 5 years in a very constant way and if you dont understand little by little what they are saying you wont learn abssoluty nothing, not only about me to a lot of people happend the same thing

@Shadownailshot

3 жыл бұрын

@Al 72 comprehension and formulation of language happen in different parts of the brain and require different types of recall and processing, yes.

True, wasn't speaking for myself but for my classmates who still struggle to make a complete sentence with tones. It depends on how much effort you put in and whether you're able to let go of everything you learnt before in your own language. What also helped is not following what my teachers said, but follow my own way.

He's right, actually is the best video about this subject, I tell why, all others videos just tell: "Go, don't be afraid, just talk in the language, use the language and so on," but he is giving good and useful tips.

I absolutely love this video! Thank you Dr. Conor Quinn

You are spot on! I loved your idea about the two big categories of grammar and what you said about egocentric vocab. Thanks a lot. Grazie mille. Merci and Danke!

@hermindatellez2935

7 жыл бұрын

bueno

10:59 Correct. If you have 10 nouns, 10 verbs and 10 adjectives, you can form 1000 different sentences!

@MrC0MPUT3R

9 жыл бұрын

DownFlex Colorful fish orbit

@DownFlex

9 жыл бұрын

MrC0MPUT3R You are definitely starting with the most important words :D

@fstenv

9 жыл бұрын

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@crazydragy4233

Жыл бұрын

I'd slightly disagree. Language is more than just words, it's a different way f thinking and seeing the world, which means the way English works isn't universal.

I really enjoyed this. Thank you very much. I'm encouraged!

Thank you Connor. You've been a good help!

Excellent vídeo. Very encouraging and informative.

I learn English from KZread comments. I read them again and again. Does anyone else do the same thing?

@user-sj6qd5qc5z

8 жыл бұрын

+周夜 cause I don't have any native speaker to talk with. Anyway, reading some comments aloud is fun, lol.

@WakingUpToday213

8 жыл бұрын

try actually speaking too. then you will feel very good about the language

@user-sj6qd5qc5z

8 жыл бұрын

Yes,I agree. I'd love to actually speaking it whenever I can. But the thing is i am in China, which means i don't have native speakers to talk to. Gong to a English country for one or two months may be a nice idea to improving my speaking fluency. But the cost would be a problem. Oh, we do have foreign tourists here, in Lijiang, Yunnan, but I am not sure if it would bother them or not to try to talk to them.

@user-sj6qd5qc5z

8 жыл бұрын

sounds good. what's your skype id?

@jesser.2885

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, comments are a interesting source for my study (;

That was some Good Stuff!! Take it from an average man who's been studying Spanish for at least 10 years!

I love how he talks about small languages too, because the languages I want to learn are mostly spoken in just one country or by a small population of people. Like when I go to University of Hawaii, I want to learn Hawaiian in their program. And I really love the language Swahili, and I really want to learn it even though most the people who speak it know English.

Very good lecture! Very interesting and informative!

thank you, you gave very good tips that i will try to use when learning languages

Real fantastic and helpful!

By far the best language learning video I've seen. And I've seen a LOT.

Ted talks need more talks from "polyglots" about how easy it is to be a "polyglot" and how easy and original the speakers method is.

@thegood9

4 жыл бұрын

Sarcasm detector reads "100%"

This is profound advice - thank you!

I have really enjoyed the presentations,they are enjoyable and educative.....

I love the way he explaine that. Thank u Sir

Very Interesting. Good Tips.

I really like this talk....AWESOME!

Gosh, this is briliant !

Hi Steve， I agree with you! Listening is more important then other!

I really enjoyed this talk.

True. I had the means to say, "It's a thing that's like a cat, but big and orange -- and the one behind you looks a bit hungry," long before I discovered the word "tiger"... ;)

Nice explanation, good strategies. 'Slightly' exaggerates the simplicity of the processes, but as a set of ideas to work with, great going.

excellent talk by a great presenter

thanks doctor!

Thanks for the tips :)

i love tedx manner of how they devellop important question.

that is awesome .... thanks a million

Oh my GOSH!!! Conor! On TEDx!!!!

I agree but I think most of the popular polyglots downplay how much time it will take you to learn, but I think it's done with good intentions. Unless you live under a rock or are really naive you should know in order to reach a competent level in anything takes a long long time. Languages aren't any different, you get back what you put in and it takes a lot of time there is no secret no "hacks" just straight up time spent with it is your only tool.

Aaron & Michael just mentioned this video and now I'm here. Cool.

He's like Jared Leto combined with Barney Stinson in his hippie years.

@sunstarethosa8878

7 жыл бұрын

haha, spot on! may i add, a little of Viggo Mortensen? ;P

@oniseokriashvili

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes! :D A little.

@sunstarethosa8878

7 жыл бұрын

right? haha. moreover, Viggo can speak multiple languages too! :)

@oniseokriashvili

7 жыл бұрын

Well, he can speak Eldarin and Quenya damn well i know for sure :D

@sunstarethosa8878

7 жыл бұрын

true, true!! haha :D

For those english speakers that intend to learn German or vice versa: it helps learning vocabulary, when you look at how the languages developed appart (Lautverschiebung), as you can spot more words with common origin.

@kennethslayor8177

9 жыл бұрын

edi I always feel that the best way to learn a language is to start by singing the songs of children. This teaches cadence, timbre, pronunciation, culture, and the fundamentals. Then learn vocabulary.

@edi9892

9 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Slayor Makes sence to learn similar to kids, but adults don't want to feal like kids again. However, I learned quite a bit of French by reading Asterix. For English Harry Potter would be nice, because the guy that reads it on tape does an awesome job.

@kennethslayor8177

9 жыл бұрын

LOL, I am male. I feel it is my duty to be as much of a kid as I can manage as soon as the bills are paid.

@MrPrivatbruger

8 жыл бұрын

+edi Proto-Indo-European as a common ancestor is a good place to start. It is amazing how similar European languages are.

@edi9892

8 жыл бұрын

MrPrivatbruger But no-one knows how exactly it looked like. We have a good impression of ancient Latin and Greek, but everything before that is a mystery. We see similarities and can see the branching, but we don't know the root. Funfact: some mythical creatures e.g. werwulf seem to date back to the invention of the wheel and are known from Portugal to India.

he's so lovely!

This is exactly how I learn languages. I am far from being a polyglot, but I get by comfortably in 7 languages and I am currently learning Chinese and Russian. It need not be that difficult.

@emiliosgregoriou8943

8 жыл бұрын

+Malte Christensen I think a person who speaks 7 languages is well enough to be called a polyglot. Just saying.

@ParaditeRs

8 жыл бұрын

+Emilios Gregoriou He said he gets by in 7 languages, which is not the same as being fluent.

@NMalteC

8 жыл бұрын

+ParaditeRs exactly. I'm fluent in 4, comfortable in 3 more.

A lot of great ideas that need further development - or more time to explain.

I feel like this inspiration comes at the cost of knowledge and truth. Wouldn't be the first academic to overestimate the skills of his YEARS worth of studies helping them learn similar thing though....

Penobscot, an Eastern Algonquian language of central Maine - endangered language. -- How does this help me learn the Spanish subjunctive verb conjugation, particularly irregular verbs? ACK.

It feels a little like a "curse of knowledge" - a linguist naturally feels that learning a new language has a very clear path. However, there are numerous linguistic patterns shaped over the years in his brain - and learning a new language is a matter of matching the pattern. I speak Ukrainian and English and now I'm studying German. I found that it is much easier for me to find a "match" of words and grammatical structures relying on two languages from different groups rather than one. Just imagine, how quickly Dr. Conor Quinn can learn a new language compared to us, mere mortals.

I am Finnish- I am quite interested in learning the language. I am currently learning German and swedish

@karendriscoll6883

6 жыл бұрын

I personally attended the University of Helsinki and studied Finnish for Foreigners for 2 years! back in 1976-78

Ever heard of Pimsluer? You can learn a new language in about a month. the lessons are divided into 3 classes that cover speech and reading; each lesson is ~30min. The first class is about 30 lessons and the other 2 are about 60, so doing 6 lessons a day (~3.5hr) you can finish the entire course in about 28 days. You might not be perfect, but that comes with practice.

balbalbal. finally have some benefit to hear something good to me at the last minutes. so. here are the upvote.

how does it differ from italki? i have not tried neither of them yet..

Is Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree a linguist??

The main message is at 8:40 I wonder whether and how one learns to pronounce the sounds they do not hear like H for French or R vs L for Japanese learners....it is probably closely realted to the pronuntiation drill/ schooling of a person with a hearing impediment

This guy really should write a book.

I've always wanted to meet a real practising field linguist and discuss how they work. I've looked around on the internet but I've never come across a handbook or training manual. It seems to be a dark art only passed on by word of mouth. I'm also curious about historical 'first contact' situations where there was no common language. E.g. the first Europeans in (for example) New England. They encountered people who spoke languages with nothing in common with any languages they'd have known, weird complex grammars built on totally alien lines, unknown vocabulary ... and yet within a few years they'd done a complete Bible translation. How did they manage?

@marconatrix

9 жыл бұрын

***** Agree, but still you'd think by now they'd have worked out some standard methodology. There are many pitfalls. Like in many native american languages you can't say "hand", you can only say, "my hand" or "her hand" or at best "somebody's hand", the idea of a hand is inseparable from it's ownership. Or there might be one word for 'palm' and one for 'fist' but none for 'hand', and so on. Plus any response you get could be wrapped up in all kinds of unexpected grammar. Look up 'foot' in a Welsh dictionary and you'll get "troed" but point to someone's foot and they might well answer "'nhroed i" 'my foot'. And of course there are the stories (probably some of them true) about names on the map where the explorer asks "what do call that mountain?" and the native mutters in his own language the equivalent of "buggered if I know" and that gets written down. Actually I know one genuine case. The largest primate of Madagascar is called the Indri, to science it's Indri indri indri, or the family Indrididae etc. Well it seems when an early explorer was travelling through the Eastern coastal rainforest, this spectacular creature came bounding through the canopy above (as they do) and all the natives shouted "Indro izy!" which means 'look at that!' but was misinterpreted as "That's an Indri". Believe it or not, as they say ... ;-)

@thebulletcraft

9 жыл бұрын

Well the Europeans have been sailing all over the world, especially to India and China, and have passed through the Middle East for centuries so they must have worked out some kind of a system for deciphering foreign languages.

@marconatrix

9 жыл бұрын

Bullet Craft There were usually links, people who'd grown up where two cultures overlapped. So there were Europeans in the Med who also knew Arabic, and Arab traders in the Indian Ocean who knew Malay, and Malay traders in Malacca who knew Chinese, and so on. But when Europeans arrived in the New World, or Australia they encountered totally unknown languages that were unrelated to anything they knew. No common vocabulary, really weird grammars, the whole alien shooting-match. What happens then?

@thebulletcraft

9 жыл бұрын

marconatrix I guess just raw immersion into the culture was the only way to go. I can't imagine anyone learning a language so foreign at the time without completely immersing themselves into that society and only using that language, like a baby would.

I've spent many hours of many days of many years working on building a linguistic bridge so that some day everyone can have a proverbial "foot in the door" of every spoken and written language with a mininum of effort. Anybody know how to reach this guy? I would love to have the chance to present and explain to him what I've worked out as a solution.

Very expressive hands, that young man lecturer. I wonder that he need spoken language at all. Or maybe those hands are how he makes his thoughts clear in just one week. Don't get me wrong. I am not sneering here. Anything that works is communication.

pozdravi ot Bulgariq

People like this speaker and others on TED don't realise how clever they are. What they talk about is true for their brilliant brains but it's not true for ordinary people.

I feel like Milo Thatch (who was a linguist) from Atlantis (disney) was based off this guy. And Daniel Jackson (also linguist) from stargate sg1. Just saying.

i'm Chinese,and i want to learn English,i found it's difficult to speak out,！！

Remenber. You can do it. only depends on you.

as a learning Spanish sounded incredibly fast until I started getting the cadence.

I am not sure about the title, hacking a language.. I didn't see that word... I think he tries to speak about imitation, yes I like that way but I am not sure, I've been learning English, grammar and pronunciation. Everything in English and I believe that I am still learning. English is so rich , I speak Spanish but I am not sure if these speeches or conferences in Ted are good for improving my listening and speaking?. Because in real life people not really speak like that.

For my understanding he had some good tips but a lot of the instruction seemed to be too vague and unconnnected. Need more practical examples of the mechanics instead of vague theories.

@artteacher71

5 жыл бұрын

There's a better Ted talk that is more specific. I can't remember who it is now, but it's less than 20 minutes and would probably be one of the first search results.

@JohnSmith-hk1lx

4 жыл бұрын

@@artteacher71 Ben Lewis?

If grammar lives in a neighborhood and has relationships with its neighbors, then Polish grammar is like going to the only pub in a village in Ireland late on a Saturday night where everyone's drunk and it's hard to tell who's related to whom, but most of the people seem to be simultaneously shouting and laughing at and with one another about stories that date back to their grandfather's generation and for which you have no backstory or frame of reference. English grammar lives onboard the Enterprise. It's fairly tidy and organized until you get knocked into a rip in the Space-Time Continuum (happens every. single. week.) and you have to start talking about what you will have been going to do three Saturdays from now when time catches up to you where you are now.

Dear Translator: It's "to be able to party with (the Czechs) not (the chicks)"! 🤣🤣 Hey, check out those cheeky Czech chicks dancing cheek to cheek. Just choking 🤣🤣

I actually met him and he did go to China already.

2:58 so Czech people eat French Fries with plumbs,did not know that.I will have to try them some time.Next time I am there,I will order some plumbs and fries with sangfroid.

@HailSocialite

8 жыл бұрын

I think he said "with aplomb."

@icelandmoon

8 жыл бұрын

+HailSocialite I know,this was my attempt at a lame joke.It was a success, for it was intentionally lame.

>Bob: so am I ;)

Pour la premier fois je met en considaire que. Vous êtes une femme mon pote "_" Merci ènormement et continu vers l'avant

I didn't know Steven Wilson was a linguist.

Anybody know what language he means we are supposed to guess from his name?

@electroslagttvclips

3 жыл бұрын

Irish Gaelic

6:19 - that awkward moment when no one laughs at your joke

@SermonsSubtitled

9 жыл бұрын

lol

@yayo4624

9 жыл бұрын

He clearly felt terrible after doing that joke. I felt his awkwardness :l

@blessedalcuin

9 жыл бұрын

Don't be a fool. The mic was turned away from the audience. They chuckled at his joke. You just had your fingers in your ears. Obviously. Because you just wanted to belittle someone. And @Akriloth, Jason Moran's little sheepy follower, he didn't "feel terrible" and you didn't "feel" any putative awkwardness; you, too, just wanted to join in on the belittling of someone. Gawd! people like you two are putrid.

Please teach me french.cause i want to read les miserables in the original cause the english words are different in meaning when it comes to French.

8:20 when actual video starts tho

had to think for a second how to say almost in the three languages i know: casi, fast, presque. i could't at first but then i thought of them in a sentence and they came right out.

@lp4969

8 жыл бұрын

casi is wrong, i know it cause i am native. no se dicr casi, casi significa almost, fast se dice rápido o veloz.

@BigSirZebras

8 жыл бұрын

Diego Alonso You misunderstood my comment. The word "almost" is: casi in Spanish fast in German presque in French

@Donello

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigSirZebras For fast also: beinah(e).

I would learn more Spanish in order to speak better with my inlaws but then I realise I don't really want to talk to them that much 😂😂😂

The only point in here that seemed actually unique to the other "Hacking Language Learning:" titles on TED talks seems to be the idea of universal field linguistic tools. Sadly, that's a hard topic to actually "get into", let alone in 14 minutes. In response to other comments: yes, the amount of time needed to learn a language is downplayed here and there in the video, but honestly *how* one learns a language can cut the time needed to learn it by a third or further. (Outright floundering or making half-efforts in a language will take longer still.) In East Asian languages especially, I've often had a friend who knows how to make a language make sense (not in terms of English, but as its own, or simply 'a' system) cover a month's worth of grammar inside of an hour more understandably than across the combined lessons. In Japanese, I've done the same for a couple friends. The same can be said for not practicing what you learn at frequently enough or, especially, in real conversation (I'll admit I have that latter problem). Just look at online national language test records if they ask the test-takers for the amount of time spent in the language. The time taken to reach high levels of proficiency varies widely.

The problem i have is going to a native speaker and forgetting everything

I learned english repeating...

sygestology ... develop in Bulgaria and adopted worldwide as fast forward language courses

Dr Quinn - I didn't understand what you said about grammar. Loved the rest though. Thank you. Woliwon

@Donello

4 жыл бұрын

True, it wasn't very clear.

11:55

which endangered language he meant as his own ?

@logothaironsides2942

8 жыл бұрын

+melanphilia my guess is gaelic mcDonough sounds Irish and I think Quinn is too.

@melanphilia

8 жыл бұрын

thanks my friend

@SteamShinobi

8 жыл бұрын

+melanphilia Actually, he's Irish Gaelic and speaks it well. I speak to him for learning Abenaki and the language he is talking about, I believe, is Passamaquoddy which he is very very active in.

My hovercraft is full of eels

@vldthdrgn

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Two pages of notes, however :)

But the question I have is, how to start? Do we start by learning to read? Do we start by learning how to speak? Do we start by learning how to write?

@Donello

4 жыл бұрын

Spoken languagee comes first, then comes written language, first reading, then writing. Of course, in practice it's not as simple as that: you almost immediately start doing the three together. Sometimes it's combined: your teacher reads you a text and you listen and look at it as he or she reads.

Beggar vs. give, charity... "Secret of Words /by Shu" (Amazon) reveals.

I do my efforts to lering english... I not give up

Depends on your hearing? If you're a Beethoven you'll make yourself understood soon enough

Watch my video - in my other comment. Yes, languages are extremely easy to learn - fully. You want to save any particular language - talk to me, I will show you how. Contact Lee Sohlden on facebook messenger, and lets get started. (Note, you will do the work - I will show you how.) Basically, you need native speakers to start making youtube videos, and providing texts for what they are saying on the video. I will be gald to host the videos on my youtube channel. From there, anyone who wants to learn the language, until the very end of time, can do so. Using my system - but note, though my system - you will do the bulk of the work filling in the nuts and bolts for that language. I will be glad to help with the ear tuning syllables though.

I like change

The timing seems not credible.

I'm Canadian living in Montreal and fluent in three languages. I've leaned a lesson while visiting Paris years ago that Parisians have low tolerance with my speaking the language of Molière imperfectly. Since then, I speak only English to them and get more respect that way.

@MandarinMonkey

5 жыл бұрын

how did you learn your 2 other languages to fluency?

@Donello

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean they don't like French Canadian? It's quite different, for all I know. When I hear it (as a non-native speaker of French who's learned French from France with some excursions into Swiss and Belgian numbers) I manage to understand most of what people are saying, but it's tiring.

There are no "hacks". I speak and understand 12 languages and am working on 2 more. You need a large passive vocabulary to really get into the language. This takes time. Learning a few key words won't do it. And to pronounce well you need to listen a lot, pay attention and imitate. Trying to figure out where to put your tongue in your mouth is not very useful.

@Donello

4 жыл бұрын

Some people just don't hear the differences between various sounds or are not able to imitate them without expert help. Knowing where to put your tongue does help.