Imagine the thought of Hurin tied to that high chair for over 20 years and seeing everyone he loves brought to cursed ruin through Morgoth's twisted vision. It just shows despite all that sorrow how strong Hurin really was to endure that torture for that long. It does give satisfying hope though that in the Dagor Dagorath Turin the son of Hurin will dispense final justice for his family and the Children of Ilúvatar when he will smite Morgoth by stabbing him in his black heart, thus annihilating him forever.

@dornfist3913

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! It is so cathartic to knwo that Tûrin avenges himself and his whole family in that mighty strike.

@Alexs.2599

Жыл бұрын

@@dornfist3913 Indeed, final justice for all of Arda.

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

@@dornfist3913 I love that Turin returns from beyond death itself..... no one knows where Men go after they die, not even the Valar, and yet Turin comes back... because if there was one person who hated that bastard Morgoth enough to return from beyond death itself, just to personally stab him in that black heart, its Turin Turambar, the Master of Doom.

A man so strong, Morgoth had to curse him to break him. Great deeds indeed for a Man vs Morgoth. Thanks to Christopher Tolkien for editing this story.

"There is no curse in elvish, entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery!" There is only one word that I think of wen I hear his name: pain. He suffered so much but also caused so much. He reminds me of Job from the Bible, or even the many Greek tragedies that give human suffering a face. This I think came in part from the pity and compassion that Tolkien wrote about with the Hobbits. Hurin it seems is what happens wen there is no pity or compassion to b had and that grim lesson to learn.

"I call you craven, and a liar! Morgoth Bauglir..." You gotta love the balls on this mortal. Keep up the great work Mellon! Ecthelion!

The most tragic character of the legendarium excellent video Yoystan

@johnstehr9039

Жыл бұрын

He or turin as well. Sad story for the family but also some of the best characters in lotr

@Comicnut64

Жыл бұрын

@@johnstehr9039 I think Hurin is worse because he had to watch everything and couldn’t do anything about it

Fun fact: Balrogs personally tortured Hurin with their whips of flame in Lay of Leithian Fun Fact2: Morgoth literally said “you are all made of steel” to Hurin, showing respect(?) to his resilience. Hurin have balls of steel, literally

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

Funny. Your comment reminded me of Rocky 4 . End fight. Ivan drago. He tells his trainer. That punching rocky repeatedly was like . ( punching iron) .

Thus ended Hurin Thalion. One of the mightiest of warriors in the 1st Age of Middle Earth. Truly written like a Shakespeare tragedy for a hero who was so brave and showed courage. But in the end Morgoth's power over him was too great. He is arguably one of my favourite characters in the middle earth lore.

I have "Aure Entuluva" tattooed on my arm. I even manage to believe it most days. Great video.

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a tattoo guy, but I too use this as a personal mantra on particularly difficult days.

Excellent tale. Tolkien makes Middle Earth seem so real. The Silmarillion is such a good book

After agreeing to take the ring to Mordor, Frodo is placed on a level with Hurin by Elrond: "...though all the mighty Elf-friends of old, Hador, and Hurin, and Turin, and Beren himself were assembled together, your seat should be among them."

The story of Turin is worth a film. That would be something special!

@kylemoore687

Жыл бұрын

As much as I love Turin (he is my favorite character in the entire legendarium) I don’t want that movie to be made now. I don’t trust Hollywood to do it right

@KamalAdnanTheFirst

Жыл бұрын

@@kylemoore687 Agreed. Current Hollywood would probably butcher the tale.

@kylemoore687

Жыл бұрын

@KamalAdnanTheFirst you know they'd have Niënor strong womaning Glaurung to death

I love Hurin and personally I feel like he has the greatest will power and perhaps even wisdom that would rival kings of numenor and personally I think in my opinion he’s one of the characters that can wield a palantir without corruption. Great video as always!

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

The Palantir were only corruptive because Sauron owned several of them by the Third Age. When Hurin was alive they were just used for far-seeing and communication.

Hurin's last stand always makes me pumped when I read it. It is one of the most evocative images in all of Tolkien's works and makes me aspire to heroism in my own life.

Hurin: The Most Tragic Lord of the Rings Character Great video! Maybe the "What if Saruman went east and never returned?" (He once adventured in the east alongside the Blue Wizards, but in canon, returned west)

I am really biased to stories of Silmarillion and especially Turins story. Im from Finland and i like to think that Kalevala and Tolkiens interest in it is like some sort of spark and major inspiration for his works overall(and of course other stories like Beowulf and other mythologies and legends). I really wish there would come a good game based on these ancient times of middle earth. So much locations, forests, mountains, sea shores to explore. Something more exciting than the constant use of Mordor that we have seen in games like shadow of mordor and the recent gollum.

I doubt a more heartbreaking character & family exists in all of Middle-earth history!

@mysticnovelbro

Жыл бұрын

just wait 'til you read Children of Hurin then.

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

@@mysticnovelbro uhh..... you mean the story of Hurin and his family? That's what OP is talking about....

@mysticnovelbro

Жыл бұрын

@@KS-xk2so nope Children of Hurin is a standalone release tying in what happened to Hurin's son and daughter Morgoth's curse ran deep after all, and his claws were hooked in for generations. Consider it a followup, and read it, you won't be disappointed.... but you will be mortified by the end lol

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

@@mysticnovelbro I've read it. Several times. My point was you are talking about the exact same thing OP is. Hurin's family is his wife and children.... the main characters of the book you are referencing.

@mysticnovelbro

Жыл бұрын

@@KS-xk2so character and family - Hurin didn't get a proper chance to see his children grow. so the family part would refer to father, brother, lovers etc you should know that at least, as though they're his son and daughter, their journey was separate to that of their father and his father. morgoth had his own plans for them that were separate from the saga of Hurin himself. different saga, different dynasty if either had survived.

Thanks. Our day shall come again ! .

Happy Sunday 🎉

Great video! Much prefer the first age stories over any other!

Tolkien's most unusual gift is how he somehow always finds a way to inspire hope while still telling the darkest of tales.

aure entuluva!

Great Video as always! Here is are some interesting What-If Video ideas I have for this topic: 1. What if Hurin was never captured by Morgoth? 2. What if both Huor & Hurin survived? 3. What if Huor & Hurin died?

I bought The Children of Hurin on the morning of release. However I still haven't managed to read it. I might have to get the Audible version soon. 😮 It's a stain on my Tolkien reading history 😢

@istari0

Жыл бұрын

Remember, Tolkien is very big on redemption! 😁

@markstott6689

Жыл бұрын

@@istari0 Thanks 😀

@kylemoore687

Жыл бұрын

The book is well worth the read but the audiobook on Audible is narrated by Christopher Lee aka Saruman and is awesome you should definitely check it out

Great to see character/lore videos 😀

Without a doubt the most or one of the most tragic stories

Great video @Men of the West! For people who think Tolkien doesn't do dark stuff, I challenge them to read the tale of Hûrin and his family as what Morgoth did to them was so evil...Hûrin was a great warrior, a good man, and stared down Morgoth without fear. It is so cathartic to know that in Dagor Dagorath it will be Tûrin who ends Morgoth, avenging himself and his family for all the apin and ruin Morgoth wrought upon them.

A second great video Men of the West, and Hurin is a legend!

I just read the children of Hurin for the first time a few weeks ago. It was great, but very sad in my opinion. Much love from germany, your videos are amazing. Peace😊

There was no greater warrior of Men in all the ages of Arda than The Steadfast. I'll die on this hill.

@Parocha

Жыл бұрын

Like Morwen? 😂

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

@@Parocha lol ouch.... but yep. I actually love the fact that Tol Morwen lasts into the Third Age.... felt a little like Illuvatar wanting to honour and commemorate the suffering of that family.

A series of animated short stories for the many tales and characters in The Silmarillion would be fantastic.

the most sad story in all of fantasy

So beautiful the Story of 1st age! In every character and place there is always a beautiful even if its a sad story

I love your ending thoughts and tying it to modern life. You do a great job thank you for all you do!

The nirnaeth is my favorite battle of probably of the other battles of beleriand.

Yoystan is the Children of Hurin book canon

@MenoftheWest

Жыл бұрын

Yes! At least for the most part. How I tend to see it is that (except for the mistakes such as Gil-galas being the son of Fingon, as admitted by Christopher Tolkien) the Silmarillion is the main canon, followed by the non-contradictory lore of the Great Tales and then the other notes of Tolkien.

@de5096

Жыл бұрын

Alas, the poor histories of Gil-Galad and the repercussions to other characters and their lineages and tales… Such an unfortunate presentation he had in the Silmarillion. For those who prefer those references as canon and for those who do not.

@AlecEburhard

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@de5096who was Gil-galad’s father? And what other inaccuracies are there? I’m currently reading the Silmarrilion right now.

@de5096

6 ай бұрын

@@AlecEburhard Enjoy the reading friend. It is a wonderful journey. I envy your first discoveries of meeting new characters and exploring new locations. The work is so rich you will want to return again and again. As far as the lineage of the characters. I have my preferences. You most certainly will find yours. Happy reading!

@dakotasherman632

7 күн бұрын

I want to say it was Orodreth, nephew of Finrod Felagund. Orodreth was the father of Finduilas and Gil-Galad.​@@AlecEburhard

Nice work dude thanks

Casting aside his shield, he took up the axe of an orc captain and it is sung that the axe smoked in the black blood of the troll guard of Gothmog. We saw the cave trolls in Fellowship. We saw the battle trolls in Return of the King. And how many men it took to bring them down. And then we have Hurin, who cut down 70 of them alone with an axe until his axe was black and smoking. Then he cut off the arms of the orcs who would grab him until he was buried in orcs and only then could he be subdued. Can you imagine Hurin wearing the Dragon Helm, mithril chainmail and wielding Gurthang? He would have held the pass alone, like Horatius, and cut down all who faced him.

what a fucking legend

Great vid!

I love him but I personally think Morwen is just the best too. She scares away servants of Morgoth by looking at them and they think she's a witch. Power couple

Just finished children of hurin and now starting the unfinished tales .....I forget how dismal the book is but you can't stop reading

Day shall come again!

The moment you said someone took an arrow I got Skyrim PTSD.

Húrin’s tale is indeed one of torment and despair in the end, but I believe it all holds some very important messages within: Húrin’s prowess and courage is inspirational even as he took 70 Orcs with him before they finally brought him down, as was his endurance and defiance during captivity, but most of all his loyalty and honor seen in things like upholding his oath to preserve Gondolin’s secrecy so they may stand longer to fight and defy the darkness. It is his displays of strength that we should strive towards matching which may have even earned Morgoth’s respect. Even as they dragged the man away, they could not silence his voice when he declared daylight’s return once more. Húrin’s torment and his final moments in life as a broken man, along with his losses in his absence, shows us why we must defy evil, ‘less we wish our world to crumble around us and be destroyed, not to mention Morgoth’s method is something we could possibly mimic today with words and technology. Finally, Húrin’s tale shows us why we must often focus on one’s story in its entirety rather than part of it. He showed strength and courage, and showed defeat which came not from battle as evil does not need a blade or a hammer to destroy somebody. It all matters because it gives us all something to look at or even reflect upon. Evil must be fought with everything, because such evil has no room in them for negotiation or even redemption, and we must not let evil bring us down, because if it does, then we lose. However, it never means hope will die, because it can’t. After all, Men endured into the years to come long after Húrin rose to battle with an axe and shield and fell into the seas of his own despair to drown. He is the height and low of Men, and why Men must not let the darkness have the means to bring us down, or the day it destroys us will become that much more likely to turn into a terrible reality to suffer.

THANK YOU! People keep making posts that are like "but was Túrin really cursed?" And it's like no, please, read the CoH again. It's Húrin who was cursed! The curse was to watch Glaurung screw with his kids, and everyone in Beleriand having a just generally shitty time. Túrin was just kind of a gullible idiot.

Cant wait until half of the video is just yoystan saying his Patreon members

This perishes a mighty man, that was broken by a cruel world.

Well done my friend

Wow! That's really tragic. Makes me very sad.

If Linkin Park’s song In the End ever fit a middle earth character it is this one.

Húrin and Túrin. Was there a more ill-fated pair in all of Middle-Earth's history? I think not.

Thanks for the vid. I wonder why Morgoth didn't or couldn't curse more.

Good vid

Day shall come again.

I have only one tattoo and it's says "aure entuluva" i was ill and make myself a promise that if i survive i would get a tattoo,i choose that saying of Hurín to remind myself that a new day shall come, i've got it in my left forearm so i can see it everyday

what can a simple mortal man do against one of the if not the mightiest of the Valars...... the Gods.... yet he was true to his oath for 20 over years while witnessing the sad tragedies that happens to his family..... truly sad 😞

What if aragorn was killed at amon hen instead of boromir?

The Professor's most tragic figure. My all time favorite from The Silmarillion

The most powerful mortal warrior of Middle Earth. And I think an argument could be made for the most powerful of Men and Elves.

One of my favorite characters ever, in any story.

what if the Nazgul joined the Fellowship to destroy the One Ring. This is something that I want to ask because it seems interesting, like how would things play out in the story?

In The Book of Lost Tales, his name was Urin. In earlier versions Hurin suffers a different fate after departing Doriath. In the Lost Tales, Urin returns to Hisilome (Hithlum), later dies and his shade seeks Marwin (Mowen) and together lament over their children. This also occurs in the Sketch of the Mythology except Hurin is not a shade.

good video is it ok if I ask you a question?

He should've never allowed to be caught alive.

What if Aragorn, Frodo, Sam, Marry and Pippin stopped for second breakfast?

Yoystan, love your content and look forward to your videos every Sunday. I have a question. I believe you had advertised for people who make map's of states & countries like those in LOTR books. if you did could you give me the name of the company or people who make them? Thank You. Keep up the great work.

@istari0

Жыл бұрын

I think you're thinking of Lord of Maps.

What if hurin died and Huor was captured?

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

No offense to Huor, but I imagine Gondolin falls waaaay earlier then, maybe all of Beleriand does. No Gondolin for Tuor to find, and no Earendil to save the day. The Men of Dor Lomin were all brave and loyal soldiers, but Hurin Thalion was one in a billion.

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

@@de5096 Most of that wouldn't happen at all. As soon as Huor is taken over Hurin, Morgoth learns where Gondolin is, and destroys it.... one its gone Morgy then has more resources to encircle Doriath and hunt for Nargathrond.... I doubt Turin ever makes it to adulthood honestly.

Hoorah the Lion

I love Hurin everything about him n his son Turin. They will have their revenge. Why no one tried to rescue Hurin ??

Man Húrin is such a Great Character, who then ended in with Great Tragedy for nearly 30 Years!!! Man Gollum had the Ring that ruined his Life, Hurin got Crused!!! Thanks Mellon for Hurin's ECH, Until *a lighter Video after this* Why Tom Bombadil is Powerful? ...Marion Baggins Out!!!

Hurin wasn't cursed so much as the cage and the lash became familiar and homely.

I do not think Hurin was broken, only brokenhearted. Hurin never bowed to Morgoth nor said anything Morgoth attempted to get out of him except rebukes, curses and reproach. Killing Mim at Nargothrond for his betrayal of his son was not the act of a broken man. Hurin's act of defiance at the throne of King Thingol for wrongs Morgoth made him see wrongly through twisted eyes as Melian pointed out to him and then restored the truth to his mind. Brokenhearted and crushed by sorrow, but never was his mind broken. Hurin never lost his honor or integrity though they now held little meaning.

I wish Amazon would have rights to the first age but I'm afraid of what they would do to it.

I think son of ill fate meant literally a child born of terrible things .

@9:30 murder? really dude... the dude has a right to a father's vengeance; treachery that leads to the death of many should be repaid in kind, otherwise you show your own weakness.

@antoninuslarpus7107

10 ай бұрын

Righteous and Justified Murder is still Murder.

I know part of his curse was being able to see his children even though he was leagues away on a mountain. Do you suppose he had to watch the incest parts too?

@waltonsmith7210

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes. Especially the incest parts. There's no way Morgoth would spare him that. That's the main event, alongside anything that might make the elves look bad.

Why didn't Morgoth curse more people

AURË ENTULUVA

I refuse to watch the video. Will let it play on silent cause I wanna support the channel but this makes me too sad.

Now there was a MAN!