"bad idea" according to the thumbnail. But does he mention the special traits that the apple family has? Or that america used to have more than 2500 species of apples? Every apple seed produces a completely new apple from the tree that it came from. In 1792 the Ohio Company of Associates madea deal with settlers willing to form a perminent homestead beyond ohio's first perminent settlement would be granted 100 acres. But to keep it they had to prove it was a perminent homestead by planting 50 apple trees and 20 peach trees. And so america had 2500 apple varieties, because each seed makes a new fruit. And when you're colonizing the wilderness and raising your food, you ain't got time to be grafting. Some of these apple varieties were so good that they were sought world wide. It could be the best apple you've ever had, or the worst. You never know what you could get.

@downtownbrown50

3 жыл бұрын

How True. And explained very well!

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment and while answering to a recent one, I read yours. min 3.20 of the video - "After all most good tasting apple varieties were developed from seeds" - I do mention this don't I? That being said I don't grow seedling trees (I only have grafted ones). In the second minute, I show a seedling that I left in the margin of my orchard that has produced a few tinny and bitter apples for the first time - after 7 YEARS! So, essentially, with this video, I try to inform people of what they can expect, if they insist in growing most fruit trees, that are not true to type, from seeds. The fruits will take many years to produce and there is no guarantee they will be remotely similar to the original, due to the variance obtained with sexual reproduction (which is not a bad thing, only to those expecting the contrary). The main reason I did this video was that I got fed up with all the videos on KZread, telling people to grow apple trees from seed, without telling them that they will, most likely, be disappointed with the end result (if they have the patience to wait that long). That being said, as I have said in the beginning, I also mention that the most common apples sold worldwide were, initially, chance seedlings so, if they like to gamble, maybe they will be lucky with their seeds (although the odds of getting a good eating apple are almost the same of hitting the jackpot in Las Vegas). Its very nice to talk about the wonderful apples that were produced from seeds over the last centuries and I have nothing against it. Its a source of much needed biodiversity. But, you have to agree that the chances of producing a nice quality fruit, in our home orchards are very slim. Its a bit different being a commercial grower and being able to spot a chance seedling producing a good apple, amid the thousands that don't. Or when you try to develop a new modern apple varieties, using hundreds of seedlings of known parenthood and selecting the best one's for closed cross-pollination, thus reinforcing the desired fruit characteristics. The problem with the seeds we use is that we don't know were the pollen came from so, instead of reinforcing desired qualities, they are diluted and the result is, often, very poor quality fruits. So, when trying to replicate those methods in our home orchard with a few seeds, the most likely end result will be frustration and disappointment, although I am not forbidding anyone from trying. Thanks for the comment.

@barneygimble8984

Жыл бұрын

I think the video makes clear, a tree grown from seed is useful as rootstock, and.there is a slim possiblity of a new worthwhile variety.. And that all new varieties are grown from seed

@chickadeeacres3864

2 ай бұрын

Marketing and profits are what eliminated rare varieties and factory farming placed the last nail in the coffin.

@chickadeeacres3864

2 ай бұрын

@@JSacadurathe 7 years will pass anyway….

Absolutely the best video I've found on starting fruit trees from seed. No one else has shown the fruit of trees they started from seed.

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you found the video interesting. Thanks for the nice comment.

I farm and educate in Korea, but every time I see it, it's amazing and wonderful.

You are a champion JSacadura for producing this video at this time. Last year I followed your previous video on growing apples trees from seeds and have a lovely looking 1metre high tree growing happily in a pot but I don't fancy waiting 7 years for some very small fruit. So, I'm going to let it grow until next spring and graft on a scion of the correct variety that I want and hopefully shorten my wait for nice crisp juicy apples by 3 - 4 years. Love your videos - keep them coming. Peter from northern New Zealand.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the incentive, Peter. Good luck with your grafts. You have an excellent development program and incredible good quality apple varieties over there. If you manage to get your hands on a few good scions, the resulting apples will be probably much better than any chance seedling fruit.

I’m glad I watched this because I was planning to start some fruit trees from seeds...Thanks

Excellent video with detailed information that simplifies why grafting is the way to go. Thank-You

Outstanding video. You are amazing!!! So knowledgeable. Thank You for sharing.

Fantastic video. The fact that it can be used as rootstock is actually quite useful information. That gives me enough of a push to try, since all may not be lost in the end. I can’t wait to check out your other videos on grafting!

I'm air-layering my dying apple tree and seeing if I can grow a branch into another tree. Good to hear your voice! I'm about to taste my first fig any day now... left one on my 1 year old tree :)

@dchambers986

4 жыл бұрын

Try to find a wild apple tree or buy an apple tree to graft from your dying tree onto a new rootstock - rooting is very hard for mallus, although airlayering should work, if you don't have time or need a backup method graphting only require scion budwood (cuttings).

@zengrow3098

4 жыл бұрын

@@dchambers986 I successfully air-layered my pomegranate and fig trees into new plants. Got a nice healthy branch from the apple tree even though it's Dec going to check it in the spring and hope it roots well. Thanks!

@nerminhuskic7182

4 жыл бұрын

@@zengrow3098 I hoped you saved it.

I loved your analysis.

É u vídeo excelente e bem explicado parabéns aos criadores!!! Namastê...

Muito obrigado por me esclarecer essa dúvida que Deus o abençoe e continue lhe dando muita sabedoria .

thank you .. have a good day

Thanks for this usefull sharing.

Great info as always, I'll be trying your improved fig scion rooting method.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Good luck with your rooting.

Thanks 👍

Your video is very informative, with nice visual representation and suitable commentary on various aspects of growing apple trees. I have a few grafted trees myself, interspersed with some wild ones for pollination of the latter. However, I'm growing mine in a tropical climate in Nigeria. Thank you for the video.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your nice comments on the video. Growing apple trees in a tropical climate is not easy, as most apple varieties need more chill hours than are usually available in those climates. There are a few that need less cold though and i suppose you have planted those. Good luck with your trees.

Thank you for your reply.

Merci pour ce partage 👍👌

Good morning from Auckland, New Zealand it’s Wednesday, November 20, 2019

Amazing

Wow! Great video filled with lots of useful apple propagating information! Thank you! 👍🏼🌿🌿😊💕Now I need a rootstock and a scion.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

You can use rootstocks propagated from seeds. It's easy and cheap. But don't forget that the resulting trees will grow much bigger then if you use a dwarfing or semi-darwfing rootstock. Regarding scions... A scion from a good apple variety from a neighbor will do the trick. If you want more options join a forum like Growing Fruits and ask for some scions. There are always many kind fellow users that will send you some.

thank you

I planted my own apple 🍎 seeds yesterday and there all ready up🌱🌱🌿🌾✨👱‍♂️👍👍👍👍👍👍

I did it. They were store bought apples. They were easy to grow but they never did much. But they probably would make great rootstocks for other apple trees that will produce fruit. I think sprouted seeds from store apples won't do much because they are crossbred trees so they will just go back to one of their ancestors like a crabapple or something that produces smaller fruit. To have bigger and better tasting apples they are going to be crossbred. Great video!

@alexriddles492

4 жыл бұрын

Here in the US it is common for commercial orchards to plant crab apples among their other trees because they are very strong pollinators. The orchard produces more apples that way. But, as you said the quality of the next generation of apples is inferior because of the crab apple genetics.

@JacobSimpson

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexriddles492 That's what I thought but I didn't know for sure. Thank you for clarifying!

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Jacob, as i said another viewer - "The chances of producing a nice quality fruit are very slim, although some apple varieties we all know and like, were, at first, chance seedlings, in commercial orchards. In fact, when developing new modern apple varieties, hundreds of seedlings of known parenthood are planted and the best one's are selected for CLOSED cross-pollination, thus reinforcing the desired fruit characteristics. The problem with the seeds we often use is that we don't know were the pollen came from so, instead of reinforcing desired qualities, they are diluted and the result is, often, very poor quality fruits."

@JacobSimpson

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura ok thanks!

This was a great video, thank you. I also like the strategy that Miracle Farms in Quebec is using. They’re planting their orchard out from seed to produce strong root stock, and then grafting but leaving some original branches to see if anything special does produce, but assuring themselves of a good harvest through the graft. Best of both worlds as they say!

Wow, just an enthusiast!?! I would have though you were a commercial grower. Thank you for a professional and informative video (s) ... I think I watched 3 or 4 tonight😄. We have many wild apple trees around, but where would I get get the scions of specific varieties? (North America). Again, well done, and thank you

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

If I were you I would join a forum, like GrowingFruit.Org . If you engage in a few threads you will meet lots of other members that will be willing to provide a few scions of their own varieties.

Merci.

I am currently growing like 30 apple seedlings. They're around 9-10 months old. If I hit the jackpot then I'll get some decent apples, if not then at least I'll have some place to stay in shade.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Good one :-) But, if the seedlings don't produce good fruits, you can always use them as rootstocks and graft a few good varieties. It's not that difficult...

@xeonome1

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura Yes, I could. It's just that I never done it before and I am kinda afraid that I might kill the trees :S. But to be honest, I am more interested in seeing how a ungrafted apple tree looks like once it's old enough. I've heard that they get quite tall compared to the grafted ones.

I wish information like this was easy to find 10 years ago when I started germinating apple and pear seeds to plant an orchard on my property. I now have about 70 apple and pear trees, and none of them have produced good tasting fruit yet. All of the trees that have produced fruit have produced "crap apples" or "Bradford" pears (small and bitter). The seeds were taken from bartlet pears and gala apples. I am hoping that the trees destined to produce small fruit simply create fruit at a younger age than the ones that may produce edible fruit, and I will start getting edible fruit from trees in the next few years. Well, the wildlife loves me either way. They love the small, bitter fruit.

@jenniferspring8741

4 ай бұрын

Making hard cider is a thing now. And cider makers like to use bitter fruits for those. Maybe someone would buy them from you or you could try making hard cider yourself. 🙂

Thanks for the incredibly informative video! My family and I have found a small property in Alentejo and bought fruit trees from the market to plant this week. Seeing this kind of magic and sorcery though makes us want to create our own grafted trees! We are so motivated thanks to your video´s. Where in Porugal are you located? muito obrigado e boa noite :)

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Hi. We all start the same way, buying a few trees in a local market. But, afterwards, we might come across a few varieties that we like, that some neighbor might have and that might not sold commercially. That's when the grafting bug starts to creep in and we will start trying to change the varieties of some of our trees, with a few scions collected from those neighbors trees. It takes time and practice but it's immensely rewarding. I'm located in the center of Portugal (near Caldas da Rainha/Óbidos).

@healthyrootsstrongwings538

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura Bom dia :) That is such a coincidence because actually seeing your video made me think of an area we stayed for 6 months: Almofala, Alvorninha! Thanks to your (and some other) video's I am now researching how to grow citrus on our land that can be extremely cold in winter. Am I thinking in the right direction if I am best of trying to find root crop of trifoliate or satsuma or such and then when the rootstock matures years later graft other species on it? Should you be able to help or advise me with this mission then that would be magnífico :) Bom dia é muito obrigado pela todo informação, Comprimentos

So if I plant seeds from my 80 year old heirlooms I probably won’t get the same apples? I have 2 trees that are old and need to be replaced but I love the apples.

جيد

Thanks we need a demonstration of pruning techniques for Apple and vain tree

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

I have a few videos on Pruning Apple Trees in my channel - check them out.

Is the hanging bottle a wasp trap ?

Someones from seedsgrowing appletrees is not so bad, as you showed to us. I have one them. Unfortunaly, some disusters causes big trouble with this appletree. For me it is not a trouble, but for comertial culivatoin it not apoprioritable.

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

A well established seedling, even when the fruits it produces are very small and not very tasting, can be a good option for grafting a good variety. But planting them in the off chance that it produces a good eating apple can lead to disappointment. If people understand that, when they are growing apple trees from seeds, they might end up with smaller than usual apples and these might have a slightly acid taste, then that's fine. Who knows, maybe they turn out to be the next Golden Delicious, one of the most sold apples in the world (and this variety was also a chance seedling - the product of unintentional natural breeding).

Muy buenos sus videos.. Where are you from? I’m from Chile 🇨🇱 I follow their advices for make grafts

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, María. I am from Portugal. Thanks for your comment.

Juan is Number 1.

👍👍👍🥰

Olá jsacadura eu quero lhe fazer uma nova pergunta a respeito de enxertia . Vc me explicou no último vídeo que as macieiras não podem ser enxertadas em porta enxertos de pera pois são de gêneros diferentes . Aqui no Brasil onde moro vi uma matéria sobre o marmeleiro e que ele é usado como porta enxertos de pera eu lhe pesso que se poder me explique pois se o gênero da pera é pyrus como pode ser enxertadas no marmeleiro se ele pertence ao gênero cydonia . Desde já lhe agradeço pelo belíssimo trabalho.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Olá, Lucileide. Como em tudo, na natureza, há sempre exceções. Nem todos os géneros diferentes são completamente incompatíveis. Alguns são parcialmente compatíveis e os enxertos funcionam, pois os tecidos condutores conseguem ligar-se, embora apenas parcialmente, nalguns casos. O Marmeleiro é um dos que é mais compatível com outros géneros diferentes, podendo ser enxertado com Pereira, Nespereira, Nashi e mais algumas outras fruteiras. Nalguns casos, usa-se esse porta-enxerto para reduzir o vigor da árvore (dada a ligeira incompatibilidade) o que resulta num planta de menor porte. A desvantagem é que também reduz a longevidade. Uma nespereira enxertada em Marmeleiro pode viver apenas 15 anos em vez de 40, mas a árvore resultante é muito mais pequena e produz belos frutos. Já o género da Macieira é muito mais exigente, podendo apenas ser enxertado noutra macieira. Já muitas variedades de ameixieiras, cerejeiras, pessegueiros, damasqueiros e amendoeiras são bastante compatíveis, pois pertencem todos ao género Prunus, embora existam exceções (variedades incompatíveis entre si, podendo apenas ser enxertadas em híbridos de Prunus). A natureza é mesmo fascinante...

Apple tree online kedikuma

Can I graft an apple tree I started from seed onto a 2 yr old pine tree

@jvh1000

3 жыл бұрын

No. They are from different genus. It wont work.

You said that with self compatible loquats we have much better chance of producing good quality fruit from seeds. Does this mean that seedlings from someone who only has one loquat variety (no other loquats around) will be "almost" true to type? I know grafting is better, but if receiving seeds from abroad is the only option, this could be nice alternative. Btw, you haven't been to gf forum in a while. ;)

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

As i said, most loquat varieties are self-compatible. That means, if there are not other loquats near by, most of the pollen will come from the same tree. So, the variability that usually results from sexual reproduction (when joining together 2 different genetic patterns from 2 different plants, in a process called karyogamy ) will not happen. There will always be some variance, since the spores are produced by meiosis and the chromosomes can exchange small pieces of genetic information (crossing-over), so the plants that emerge from those seeds will not be identical to the plant that produced the seeds (but it will be much closer, compared to plants produced from cross-pollination). In the end, if you really want exactly the same variety there no alternative to grafting a scion from that plant, but seeds from auto-pollination will be the next best thing. Regarding GF forum, i really miss checking it (and other forums i used to check regularly), but this year i find myself working very long hours (the work loads is reaching impossible status). Add to that trying to produce a video know and then and replying to people's comments, and something has got to give. If i did check the forums i would have to reply to my old messages (i am not a guy that ignores that) - and before its my health that goes, i had to make choices so, at least for know, the forums will have to take a back seat. Maybe in the coming Christmas season i have a few days to catch up.

@gvidoogorevc8168

4 жыл бұрын

I know grafting is the best because you get exactly the same variety, but if you can't get scions because of customs restrictions you should plant this seeds. I said alternative but your words 'next best thing' are more appropriate. I totally understand your absence from forums. It's not just you, no one seems to have time anymore (even retired people). It's crazy. I'm impressed how you can handle so much. I can hardly manage my small garden and you have like 500+ trees. On top of that you also have a lot of work with bees. So thank you very much for every video you put up. I think I can say for all of us here that WE really appreciate the work you put into your videos. They are not made just so you can say you uploaded something but are very informative for us amateurs. Now that the work in orchard eases up I hope you'll spend more time in your easy chair! :)

@bpj1805

8 ай бұрын

Self-pollination does tend, over time, to drive genotypes to homozygosity.

What about growing apple from seeds and graft after when the tree is still young?

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

That is the way its usually done. Many apples and other fruit types are grafted into rootstocks grown from seed. That way you use the vigor of the root system of the seedling and graft a good eating variety.

@manubodea1580

3 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura Which are the negative outcomes of this method?

Can an apple tree be air layered?

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it can. But they are usually grafted, so we can choose the right rootstock that adapts well to local conditions. An apple tree variety, on its own roots, might have problems adapting to soils, may not be disease resistant, etc, all attributes of a good rootstock.

@bobbrawley2612

4 жыл бұрын

I have been trying to get an airlayer from a wild/ fence line apple tree for three years with no sucess . Pears are doable but apple not so easy . The airlayer callouses up but as yet no roots. . I figured it was impossible till our host in answer to your question said it could be done.

@gvidoogorevc8168

4 жыл бұрын

Try with this method: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4OquMyBc5WwhpM.html

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Bob, with some fruits trees, the cambium repairs itself quite quickly. If the phloem in both sides of the removed strip of bark has time to reunite and the flow of sap is restored, the air layer will not develop roots and will fail. That why rooting hormones (usually indolebutyric acid - IBA - used in the right concentration) helps the process, as it induces the undifferentiated cells to turn into roots, before the tissues have a chance to heal. But, as i said, rooting apple cuttings will not help much, if you want to have a robust and healthy apple tree. The variety was selected for its fruit quality and will probably struggle to adapt when trying to grow by itself and produce quality fruits. The rootstocks were we graft the good quality scions are selected for disease resistance and good adaptation to difficult development conditions. The resulting grafted tree is a much better solution.

@bobbrawley2612

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura oh I'm all for commercial. Tried and tested rootstock . But there are two wild apple trees on the property and 4 pear trees of unknown variety along fence lines . They have proven ability to withstand the test of time . The apple trees are at least 20 years old . My interest is to airlayer these wild trees. As root stock . But as you suggest purchasing root stock is better . Last March I purchased bud nine and Geneva 11.Then latter learned their root are incapable of supporting a free standing tree and I would be better off using bud 9 G11, 41 as an inter graph between M111 for instance and the chosen fruiting variety. I would be tickled pink just to develop seedling rootstock with drawfing inter graft Have you caught on that I'm less interested in the fruit product and more interested in a sound well structured tree ? Of course the fruit is important . But at my stage of learning less important graft. and worry about the variety latter. Maybe even much latter

Feijoa at 0:46 ?

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, Andreas. Yes, its a young Feijoa tree. Will soon be joining another 2 Feijoas i have planted to help with pollination.

Are you a commercial grower? I would like a video orchard tour if you are

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

No, i am not. But i have more than 3 acres of land (unfortunately, not very good land) planted with all sorts of fruit trees (i stopped counting when they reached 500 trees), so i am what you could call a fruit enthusiast :-) At least 2 hundred of those are Pear and Apple trees of different varieties, that i have collected over the last few years. Next spring, if all goes well, i might do a video tour of the orchard, if i have the time to make it presentable (i work, and my time to dedicate to the orchard is quite limited)

I have a 6/7 year old apple tree (from seed), it hasn't fruited yet unfortunately.

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

The fruit tree that are grown from seed can take 7, 8 or more years to fruit and the fruit might not be edible. That's why its a better idea to graft the seedling with a known, good eating variety. Grafted, the seedling will produce fruits in 3-4 years.

a tree grafted on a rootstock from seeds should be stronger and not contaminate the future fruits somehow, am I wrong?

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

A tree grafted from a seedling will tend to be more vigorous than one grafted on a selected rootstock as these are usually selected to be of an inferior height. For example, when using MM106 - the final tree will be about 60% of the height of a grafted seedling, M26 - 45%, M9 - 30% and so on. These rootstocks are also selected regarding resistance to diseases, soil adaptation, earliness of fruit maturity, compared to the grafted seedling, etc. In none of the cases, a grafted rootstock (seedling or not) can contaminate (I believe you mean genetically) the grafted variety. The variety will always have the same basic characteristics, with minor differences being influenced by local conditions (soil, weather, etc.).

@robertoness142

3 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura thanks for the replay, I read somewhere a grafted tree from selected rootstock give a very small contamination to the fruits, to be honest they were talking about vine. Could a tree form seedling adapt better in dry and poor soil cause of their deep root system?

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

Some fungal or bacterial diseases can be spread through the vascular system of the plant. These diseases will pass from the rootstock to the variety and vice-versa (vines can be more susceptible, but it also affects most of the other fruit types). The resistance of seedlings is quite variable. After all they are the results of sexual reproduction and can be very different from each other (like brothers) and that includes adaptation to soil conditions (one seedling can be excellent, another one very poor - it's a gamble, because of genetic lottery). The advantage of using selected rootstocks is that their resistance is well known and, as they are propagated assexually (so, they are all clones, genetically identical), there are no unwanted surprises.

@robertoness142

3 жыл бұрын

@@JSacadura I Was Thinking to graft a seedling rootstock because of the poor soil instead of a selected tootstock, do you advise against it? Thanks a lot for your replay

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

If the seedling is already on the ground and its well adapted I would graft it in a heart beat. If its potted, I would first plant it and check how well it adapts. Depending on the type of soil and local conditions a specific rootstock might be a better option. However, if you don't mind waiting and you have easy access to the scions, the only thing you might lose, for grafting the seedling, its time.

Well I know I shouldn't do it because 1 seed out of ten thousand, so I have read will produce a decent variety.

@JSacadura

4 жыл бұрын

That's right, Bob. The chances of producing a nice quality fruit are very slim, but some apple varieties we all know and like, were, at first, chance seedlings, in commercial orchards. In fact, when developing new modern apple varieties, hundreds of seedlings of known parenthood are planted and the best one's are selected for closed cross-pollination, thus reinforcing the desired fruit characteristics. The problem with the seeds we use is that we don't know were the pollen came from so, instead of reinforcing desired qualities, they are diluted and the result is, often, very poor quality fruits.

بيوتفل

Are you from spanish Sir?🤔

So if to start from seed you will waste 7 yrs.

Grafting = body snatching

Please remove the background music...

@Litto1

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t remove it.

Nonsense. Growing apple tree from seed?? How many years it will take? and the result might not be as expected. With so many Nurseries selling good and reliable apple trees of all kind WHY to waste time growing from SEED ??

@JSacadura

3 жыл бұрын

So, essentially you agree with me. If you have bothered to watch the video, you would find out (in the first minute) that I don't grow seedling trees (only grafted ones). In the second minute, I show a seedling that I left in the margin of my orchard that has produced a few tinny and bitter apples for the first time - after 7 YEARS! So, essentially, with this video, I try to inform people of what they can expect, if they insist in growing most fruit trees from seeds. The fruits will take many years to produce and there is no guarantee they will be remotely similar to the original, due the variance obtained with sexual reproduction. The main reason I did this video was that I got fed up with all the videos on KZread, telling people to grow apple trees from seed, without telling them that they will, most likely, be disappointed with the end result (if they have the patience to wait that long). That being said, I also mention that the most common apples sold worldwide were, initially, chance seedlings so, if they like to gamble, maybe they will be lucky with their seeds (although the odds of getting a good eating apple are almost the same of hitting the jackpot in Las Vegas).

Amazing