"Rock Lobbers are OK. Just a good solid cavalry unit" I've been using them wrong all this time.

@josephcamba9370

2 жыл бұрын

The level of cheese is too great for us mere mortals to comprehend

@cactuscoe9096

2 жыл бұрын

Hey they're higher tier than boar riders, send 'em in

@barleysixseventwo6665

2 жыл бұрын

Cavalry generally attacks the flanks. Rock Lobbas can also attack the flanks and don’t have to be in any danger to do it. Checkmate, Ork Boar Boy Biggins’!

@Milosz0pl

2 жыл бұрын

Big gobb-brain time You just cycle charge with them, but betweem charges you must shoot. Because of low range it has great accurasy.

@dylanhanley3591

2 жыл бұрын

I would not be surprised to see an orc use a catapult as a type of Chariot unit

"39:50 Rock lobbers are okay, just a good solid cavalry unit." Legend being so good at the game that he handicaps himself by using arty crews as cavalry.

@vakhtangi24

2 жыл бұрын

still better than actual cavalry

@L2Xenta

2 жыл бұрын

lol.

@Bongodongoman

Жыл бұрын

@@L2Xenta 0

"Their Lives are worth Less then the enemy ammunition"- Legend of Total war . Best fucking quote ive heard in a while ahahaha

@RKNGL

2 жыл бұрын

He probably hasn't said since the last time he played Skaven.

@Battledongus

2 жыл бұрын

I thought this was amazing too its so appropriate that the game values goblin lives less than inanimate iron balls.

When the Grom DLC came out, I got a ton of value out of trolls because any cauldron recipes that have the Stunty Ale bonus makes your trolls unbreakable and reduces the recruit cost.

@rauls9913

2 жыл бұрын

yeah but that’s just one scenario where the trolls are viable. overall they kinda suck.

@T3AMCXMCHUCK

2 жыл бұрын

As legend often say, you can make any unit viable given the right circumstances but thats not how he judges an unit.

@Krolodin

2 жыл бұрын

I also think that only works for Grom's army.

@TheCheat_1337

2 жыл бұрын

​@@rauls9913 Yes, I'm just giving additional information about a situation where the troll units (all three) would rate higher than they do here, which is not always applicable to every unit (some units are always going to suck or be low value). It's fairly easy to get Stunty Ale (sack a Dwarf settlement) so in terms of Broken Axe, anyone playing them is in a good position to get way more value out of trolls than other Greenskin factions. Obviously as they are with no bonuses and playing the other Greenskin factions they're not good, although as stated in the video Stone Trolls can be pretty decent.

@bertibert6656

2 жыл бұрын

@@Krolodin no groms cauldron is faction wide buff

I would love a video on “Maneuvering the Enemy”. You’re very good at getting the AI to clump up or spread out or split off small contingents when you want to. I think this a low-key pretty hard skill that you would know a lot about.

@maxmustermann-zx9yq

2 жыл бұрын

the easiest way is using small single entity units, these also take less damage from artillery, missiles and AoE spells

@nickmillo8367

2 жыл бұрын

This would be super helpful!

Probably my favorite series right now on the channel. I'm hoping for a magic/heroes tier list in the future. Keep up the good work, Legend!

@acheron16

2 жыл бұрын

Magic he did a list long ago Based on his opinion the best lores now are: Vampire, Life, Fire and Plague

@MattNCSC

2 жыл бұрын

Really liking the idea of a hero tier list. Would also like a generic lord tier list.

@zachrobertson684

2 жыл бұрын

Like to see Legendary Buildings/Landmarks. There's some trash buildings and fking amazing bldgs. Be interesting.

@Floris_VI

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes that would be great!

@alexstefan2740

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachrobertson684 That would also be interesting. I fell Legend has a lot of unexplored content with these kinds of tier lists.

When this series is over, I will have a sad.

@emorigio

2 жыл бұрын

There are so many tier lists Legend can make, like super short ogre list, and map lists, and best skin od LU tier list, cutest scaven model list, waifu list...

@PolishEngineer456

2 жыл бұрын

@@emorigio I'm down for a waifu list. Legend has proved time and time again that he is indeed a man of culture.

@apollow_g1025

2 жыл бұрын

He should do a tier list of tier lists

@marundiir4241

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be sad it was over, be happy it was there.

@connorfowler1578

2 жыл бұрын

Just wait, we will soon have the tier list for all the completed Legend tier list videos

Legend musta been in a good mood making this video, he’s being awfully generous. A tier squigs, cavalry units not in the trash? I’m imagining him singing his way through the roster to the tune of “My favorite things” lol

@drazarkabalblade9486

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest, while it seems generous it's more that he had time to try them to see their maximum efficiency because of the amount of Disaster Battles he had to do with them. Squig Hoppers are that high in the tier probably because of the time he used them in a "crapstack" for a video and because they are a good micro unit, same with the Trolls. The other cases are infantry that is essentialy designed to fight dirty ( you cannot use the Skulkers or Night Gobbos in a straight-up fight, but you can abuse the AI with them to a stupid degree ) or are simply the most cost-effective of the greenskin roster. Really though, Greenskins are not supposed to doomstack ( hell, they are not supposed to be a late game faction either ), unless you go for weird things like hero spam. Their strenght is in early aggression and the use of Waaaghs, which means most of the roster has that taken into consideration.

@Meyna86

2 жыл бұрын

He did a video about a squiq spam with scrap upgrades taking out dwarvesin the past. They work when used appropriately.

@justinokraski3796

2 жыл бұрын

the giants drew all the fire away from other units

Legend nailing the new content recently, sounding refreshed

@guitarjake4481

2 жыл бұрын

I think the break from streaming is doing him well.

Don't forget that nasty skulkers get some big bonuses when they're "winning" a combat, so if you pop them in a juicy flanking engagement they'll just shred through way higher value units. Definitely S tier

@kiryukazuma8089

Жыл бұрын

I had one unit in an army before i got the dlc that i used to half multiple longbeard units already engaged with orcs. They’re great lol

I know I’m a bit sentimental, but I’m still a big Grimgor fan, and despite it probably not translating well to legendary (which I rarely play) I love that you can make Death Pass into an ultimate black orc production area. One turn recruitment of 3 gold chevron black orcs, and under Grimgor they’re almost a doom stack

@mickethegoblin7167

2 жыл бұрын

Love it

@ticklezcat5191

2 жыл бұрын

The tierlist is specifically for legendary difficulty anyway, black orcs are still good in other battle difficulties.

@lineasevenadam5009

Жыл бұрын

Grimgor is just a badass lord. It really gives you the feeling of being unstoppable. First time i played him i threw him into a dwarf blob and he got shit on tho :D

I honestly think this is the best content you've ever produced Legend. Each video is a gem and helping me improve my TW game. Thanks!

@landerviguera9575

2 жыл бұрын

And with the explanations of why he puts the units....i learned a lot odd stuff...even after more than 2000 hours of played game...

@SL-vj6df

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Tbh I thought tier lists were pretty overdone and pointless but legend has so much knowledge/enthusiasm that they're really enjoyable for warhammer 2

@shorewall

2 жыл бұрын

This is stuff that he talks about on his streams, but it's all spread out. Putting it in one whole faction video like this is awesome!

Vampire Counts next? The last base game race. Will it go like this? Doomstack: skeleton spearmen, skeleton warriors A: empty B: empty C: empty trash: all the other units xD

@danielfraiz74

2 жыл бұрын

Nah mortis engines are also good cause they make the doomstacks even better

@bubbasbigblast8563

2 жыл бұрын

Legend said he won't rank according to cheese, so Skeletons will probably be B tier: bad stats, but free and easily available.

@davidthane9002

2 жыл бұрын

Skeleton Warriors will be lower than spearmen: Melee defence

@NhatAnhPhamDr

2 жыл бұрын

Vampire count doomstack = 19 vampire.

Important thing to note about night goblin squig hoppers is that they are considered a GOBLIN unit also. I did some research ( also have a short video on my channel about em ) and found they can be made absolutely cost effective by using mushroom addicted lords and heroes and shine because of that along with boosts you get that are given for squigs units at the same time as goblin units making them. Especially with skarsnik a viable unit to use with a bit of micro. Not the most amazing unit but they can be quite easily made free along with some nice buffs

@yes-yes8632

2 жыл бұрын

With the hoppers getting gobbo buffs, 82 vs a disgusting 58 speed, lower model count, and worst of all, RAMPAGE, which I'm surprised he didn't mention.. Herds are absolute ass in comparison, surprised he didn't shit talk them that much. But I think the rankings he gave both ended up being correct, so.

@seanrooney1553

2 жыл бұрын

@@yes-yes8632 He does mention rampage @26:47 just as he's putting the squig herd on the chart.

@JesperRoos

2 жыл бұрын

arent all goblin units considered goblin units?

@Keyjerkk

2 жыл бұрын

@@JesperRoos Night Goblins arent

@bartgadd

2 жыл бұрын

Technology tree for night goblins is fucked, some of night gobbos techs is truly useless and on top of that techs for ALL goblins do not affect the night ones. Basic gobbos the best, especially with Grom (85 armor 100 leadership 50 melee def gobbos with regeneration and silver shields are basically longbeards with more entities).

I love these tier lists and have been looking forward to the Greenskins one. I really appreciate the effort and thought that goes into these. Keep it up man!

Gobbos are absolute units when you play as Grom

@booradley6832

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, and you give them some scrap upgrades and suddenly your base level gobbos are shredding high tier infantry. I do think legend missed out on the fact that base level gobbos have really high leadership for their faction.

@mikurusagawa6897

2 жыл бұрын

@@booradley6832 I still have screenshots where I get the game to gives me decisive victory with grom and stack of gobbos and archer gobbos against two full stacks of chaos forces (although I play on hard battles, not very hard)

never clicked so fast on a tierlist. brilliant idea legend!

Loving these vids, been playing for years now and its really interesting to see how people value different units and to be honest its definitely going to get me back into some factions that I usually wouldn't enjoy. Keep it up man, you do more for the community than you probably realise 🤙

Again loving these. It is honestly really nice to always get another perspective on the rosters. Especially from someone who really knows what they are talking about. Can’t wait to see the next one I hope its vampire counts for october.

Hope all is well! Happy to see you continuing to push out content. I got a bad case of antibiotics allergy, and recovering while watching your vids and old daily strims.

I like these tier lists. It’s nice to kinda confirm what I think and look at units in a different way.

I really super love these tier makers. I legit hope you'll continue making them after WH3 comes out so we can see how Cathay and Kislev units perform. Thanks for making great content, Legend!

It would be nice to see some sort of tier or list video(s) about the generic lords and heroes for every faction as well as your preferred traits and uses for them.

I love how the greenskins are so random and backwards, it fits them so well. And I’d personally say the only troops in their roster that are true trash in any difficultly is giants tbh, maybe regular trolls.

@Smaugogo2b

11 ай бұрын

Gobelins on wolf or spiders are tras as fucked

Always love how eager you are to share your knowledge. Great vid once again.

Playing Grom, qith recipe buffs, Skarsnik's squigg hoppers can get to a charge bonus of +132. Not many units in the game can withstand a charge with a +132 charge bonus, even on very hard battle difficulty.

@hurgcat

2 жыл бұрын

i love the skarsnik squig rorahirrim

@retardretarded1145

2 жыл бұрын

Then they get stuck in battle and die in seconds 🤣 sure thing pal

@GodlordBazi

2 жыл бұрын

@@retardretarded1145 Well, with a charge bonus of 132, it is almost impossible to get in situations where you let them charge into another unit without coming out on top in terms of trading. I tried this myself and they basically become a wrecking ball. Even Ironbreakers melt away like crazy after a buffed suqigg hopper charge.

@SilverforceX

2 жыл бұрын

Grom makes a lot of crap units OP, sadly the other Orc factions can't do it.

@BIGmlems

2 жыл бұрын

Was thinking of doing the immortalz with very high leadership.

Love this series, you are able to put into words my feelings about units that are under preforming, particularly melee infantry. Coming from a Rome 2 Total War player who played mostly Rome it is hard to get away from that mentality of winning the front line infantry engagement.

@chriswhinery925

2 жыл бұрын

If you really want to win the front line infantry engagement, dwarfs are going to be a great faction for you. But also just lowering the battle difficulty a bit might be good. TWW2's battle difficulty is just all out of whack because higher difficulties hugely nerf melee while leaving missiles, artillery, and magic almost untouched in comparison. If it nerfed melee infantry less but also did some penalties to other unit type to make up for that it would be more balanced.

@shorewall

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswhinery925 Yeah, I play on normal difficulty, because I want to mess around. :D

@abcdc197

2 жыл бұрын

@@shorewall You're messing around by playing on very hard. Legend has to do it because he's streaming. However CA didn't develop or balance game for very hard battle difficulty. There's literally no thought put into it. They just increased numbers and that's it. You're basically playing "experimental mode" when you choose very hard battle difficulty. That's why it's so broken, melee units being useless and range spam/doomstacking only viable strategy. CA doesn't care about very hard battle difficulty. They don't put any thought when balancing and creating units about it. CA makes game for normal. Develops hard and just adds very hard for lols. Legendary campaign however they worked on that. It's pretty good. Legendary Campaign/Normal or Hard battle difficulty is what you're looking for if you don't wanna break the game.

Thanks for changing the color Legend, now i will enjoy these tops the double!

Keep em coming legend. People love tier list! Even if we don't always agree with all the placements it's great to just have an experienced player's perspective to understand the game better.

Been watching your content a lot lately. I've learned more about TW:W than I thought I'd ever wanted. Fun stuff!

25:02 goblin goblin-riders would be a very interesting unit

@mickethegoblin7167

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@niofo7713

2 жыл бұрын

wanted to say that's how little goblins are created but. mushrooms...

@sockysol9599

2 жыл бұрын

wait till ogre kingdoms come out,there is a gnoblar unit that does that

Loving these videos, keep up the good work Legend!

Once again a pretty nice tier video, keep them coming that's great content before going to work. I use thematic stacks so for the Spiders, it's doable to get a Spired Riders + Aracknarok stack with the workshop lord you get. But to be frank, it's mostly the Arachnaroks in the stack carrying this army. The Spider riders are pretty trash and just a little bit useful to not fight all the ennemy units at the same time.

Your tierlists are freakin amazing to watch

YES! Thank you, Legend!

Loving the tier lists! Need a legendary lord list!

Loving these tier lists

I do believe you forgot the Spider Hatchlings, recruitable from Mount Arachnos.

@drazarkabalblade9486

2 жыл бұрын

Worst squigs with poison that pretty much require you to hunt them down to get them XD he would probably put them in the trash tier. The only good way to use them is by spawning them with the Big Ass spider of Renown and the special goblin general

@ticklezcat5191

2 жыл бұрын

@@drazarkabalblade9486 They're available from the start for Grom's vortex campaign.

Great video, was surprised about the stone troll.

Tomb Kings and Vampires soon please! Love these vids!

Another Top vid....Cheers and long may they continue!

I think it would have been cool to include heroes and the different General types into these lists. "Doomstack" would mean "always take this one" obviously

Do love the tier lists, keep it up!

Thanks for another tier list

These are excellent, keep em coming :D

Finally you change the color:) good job:)

been waiting for this one

Great series man! Keep it up 👍

Finally! The one I wanted to see :)

Great series, it actually makes me want to play all factions

Love these videos they are very helpful for my campaigns

I know its kind of late, but Thank you for Tier lists, really enjoying them! Also if you have an issue with same unit card units, just photoshop F(Fanatic) or something to distinguish them.

funny tierlist. hoping for Tomb Kings next !

LOVE THE TIERLISTS!

Been learning a lot with this serie. I was wondering, how about sorting the unit cards at the bottom before the video, so you don't have to look around and wonder if you missed some as you're doing the tier evaluation ?

Like your tier lists. Hope you like too. Maybe a list of the heroes (all factions)

Really nice seeing a Immortal Krimzon Killerz Cheesestack in your campaign at the end there.

These videos give the most info

Trying out gobbos right now, actually. Thanks for the list

I think these tier videos should be more elaborate on how different Lords make some trash units valuable. Azhag and Big Uns, Skarsnik and gobbos/squigs, Wurzzag and savage boys, etc. I think you can just gloss over things like that

Cool video, Legend. Could you maybe make a Tier list errata video at some point? A video where you review some of your biggest change of opinion for an unit based on new information you gathered with those videos? Just a few hand-picked tier update for units that deserve a different tier than your initial rating

Cant wait for the Brettonia video!

For the campaign black orcs are good against everything! They can easily kill lords, hero's, monsters and cav. With grimgor you can boost these guys heavily and as doom stacks they worked wonderfully for me in the late game on the most difficult settings But B is better than i thought what you think of them

Live the content man 👍👍

Can’t wait for the Bretonnia Tier List when it comes out.

Thank you for switching the colors

This some of the best content for me. Love your work legend keep it up. You bring out my inner autist.

I have mostly playes using Orcs. Now I feel I need to play with only goblins. keep these up!! I would love a Vampire Counts Unit Roster, even if Skeles are the only S tier :D.

doing gods work legend!

Perfect timing, just started a Grom campaign

Love the videos! Could you please add the generic lords to this as well? I'd love to see how you feel about the different Lord choices at the moment.

Thanks, going to try out nasty skulkers and some fanatics now!

I know it's a ton of units and work but covering all of the Regiments of Renown would be fascinating! Maybe do them all in one video but rate them based on how they perform in their respective faction. Like I'd love to know if Logey Bogey's Spore 'Sploda's are better or worse in your eyes than the regular Pump Wagons. Great vid Legend!

Greenskins are some of my favorite factions. Thank you for all the information given.

Wow, the green skins are breaking all the rules. Good stuff. Slightly disappointed you didn't do the special waaagh units too. I was curious how they stacked up.

This was a very interesting tier list

Very nice series. Do a Hero traits tier ranking.

I love the vids! Keep up the good work :)

7:48 "Ees right boyz, we oughta use big brainz tacticz!" "Sooo, smash 'em up gud?"

realy like the series, keep it up. maybe for later some shorter videos for a tierlist on like normal difficulty ? because you say that a lot of units suck on higher

Super informative.

After the faction tier lists, maybe you could do a hero tier list? Might be able to fit it into 1 or 2 videos but would be handy knowing what heroes are better in battles or on campaign maps, or if they're avoidable in the first place

My favorite thing to watch right now.

Funny, as almost every time you’ve started a new livestream, or done a tier list, of any of the races I find interesting (that means no dark elves, bretonians, empire or wood elves), I always end up starting a new campaign. So currently I have 6 skaven, 4 High elves, 2 greenies, 3 lizardman, 5 vampire counts, 2 tomb kings, 2 dwarf, 3 beast men campaigns going.. and now I’ll probably have to start a new greenskin campaign.

Thank you so much for this. I really enjoy playing GS but I'm always like wtf is actually good lol

Bruh these are awesome

Once again, I ask that you please include heroes and their mounted variants. And Ogres too. Their usefulness only matters within each individual roster, and so these videos are the best place to discuss them. A mounted hero can turn a meh mount into something epic, or not much of a difference at all, so it does matter.

@TheKingsPawn4

2 жыл бұрын

Gonna copy paste your comment for attention

Nice video as usually. Legend are you sure that Savage Orcs Big Ones needs two turns to recruit? i think it's one after the update

@vikingbanana2404

2 жыл бұрын

for wurrzag, it takes 1 turn

Red should be for units which go fasta. Edit: damn that was prophetic

Note about Goblins, idk how effective this is on legendary but I was playing a Normal difficulty Grom Camapign. Grom gives his Goblins a ton of defensive Buffs and you can double there Armor with scrap and they basically become so hard to kill that they just win every engagement by outlasting everything

These are so so good thanks Ledgend, please do one for Vamps and Vampire Pirates please want to do a new campaign with them 🙏

Trolls need to be knees deep in goblins. Just charge them in after the gobbos engage. The enemy will mostly attack the more numerous goblins keeping the trolls high health & morale for most of the engagement. If the gobbos start melting pull the trolls back and recharge. Trolls suck when unaccompanied so give them handlers and watch them shine. Granted I don't play on legendary diff, but the troll/gobbo combo is based on games physics, not stats, so I still think it'll work. River trolls debuf + night gobbi poison debuff plays nice together. The compact frontline of 6 gobs + 6 trolls makes the AI blob a little so foot of Gork has nice targets. All of these things combined, what's not to like? Great video as always, Legend.

Legend : Greenskins are all over the place Me : I love it

I think Spiderrider Archers are realy underrated here. Yes they do not always pay for themselves but their are amazing at supporting other units because of their poison at range and melee. Especially with the changes to friendly fire poison. They are okay at rear charging too etc. Found a place for them in most of my greenskin armies. But it was before the poison nerf.

As a horrible player who plays on normal all of the time these lists really help me out, thanks.

The suspense with the giant

Super excited for beastmen!

GIVE US MORE OF THIS JUICY CONTENT yesyes

I remember having trouble with goblin archers in sieges, in that their short range made it difficult to shoot onto the walls. Night Goblin Archers were okay when you gave them scrap upgrade to increase range, but that just put them at the same range as orc archers and was a really expensive use of scrap. I ended up preferring orc archers just for the range.

Goblin Archers with Heavy Ammo is incredibly strong for price I've found. Works out 5+ap per shot. I'm not sure if any other Greenskin archer gets heavy ammo. Add in Grom or dmg boosts for Gobbo archers and you're looking an a very effective stack.