All LORES OF MAGIC Tier List for Warhammer 3

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Tier list of all lores of magic in Total War: Warhammer 3. Let me know if you agree or disagree in the comments below.
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  • @teft8627
    @teft8627 Жыл бұрын

    Lore of Yin & Yang 3:00 Lore of Ice & Tempest 4:30 Lore of Slannesh 7:20 Lore of Nurgle 8:55 Lore of Tzeentch 10:20 Lore of the Great Maw 12:00 Deliverance of Itza 14:10 Lore of Little Waagh & Big Waagh 16:10 Lore of Nekekhara 19:05 Lore of Deeps 20:40 Lore of Vampires 22:15 Skaven Spells 24:35 Skaven Spells of Stealth 25:35 Skaven Spells of Plague 26:30 Skaven Spells of Ruin 28:40 Runic Magic 29:30 Lore of Shadows 31:40 Lore of the Wild 33:10 Lore of Beasts 34:30 Lore of Metal 35:50 Lore of Life 37:00 Lore of Light 39:05 Lore of Fire 41:15 Lore of Heavens 42:30 Lore of Death 43:30 Lore of High Magic 46:48 Lore of Dark Magic 48:55

  • @epicurus8431

    @epicurus8431

    Жыл бұрын

    A good man

  • @adammclaughlin845

    @adammclaughlin845

    Жыл бұрын

    @Teft: The world desperately needs more altruistic people like you. Thank you.

  • @brendano2955

    @brendano2955

    Жыл бұрын

    What about cataclysm?

  • @Moritz19081980

    @Moritz19081980

    Жыл бұрын

    @@adammclaughlin845 Read that as autistic at first...

  • @dEcmircEd

    @dEcmircEd

    Жыл бұрын

    high magic starts at 45:49

  • @voodoodummie
    @voodoodummie Жыл бұрын

    I think one small thing that was overlooked in the lore of Nehekara is its passive. It lasts longer than life bloom and heals more than curse of undeath while still being able to resurrect entities. On top of that, Nehekara has a base 3 WoM spell to activate it reliably. This really helps Settra's tomb guard spam between that passive, his resurrect skill, and the realm of souls army ability.

  • @hadcam4962

    @hadcam4962

    Жыл бұрын

    I use lore of Nehekara for that passive, works pretty well.

  • @Locklen

    @Locklen

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, I also want to iterate this point. If I'm bringing Nehekara, its to spam cheap spells to heal my whole army, plus maybe a dessication or 2 if theres a serious fight.

  • @freaki0734

    @freaki0734

    Жыл бұрын

    they nerfed it recently but it still heals noticeably more than the other heal passives and is thus pretty good

  • @dmanlip

    @dmanlip

    Жыл бұрын

    It's good for early game infantry and kinda decent for monstrous units like ushapti, those snake things (can't remember the name) or crypt horrors for arkhan. But it's not good for the single entity units that define the faction like tomb scorpions or bone giants. At that point, having light or shadow magic to blow up blobs around those entities is better.

  • @scotavius8274

    @scotavius8274

    Жыл бұрын

    You have to rembember legend only plays vs ai. If he had a pvp mindset this would be totally different

  • @erensametkaratas6593
    @erensametkaratas6593 Жыл бұрын

    YAY! Tierlists are back!!!

  • @krzysztofkohlman3124

    @krzysztofkohlman3124

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeees! I waited for them in w3

  • @AlexanderTheGoodEnough

    @AlexanderTheGoodEnough

    Жыл бұрын

    We need a tier list tier list so we know the best tier list.

  • @erensametkaratas6593

    @erensametkaratas6593

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderTheGoodEnough we already have that for the older tierlists 😂

  • @Vernon013

    @Vernon013

    Жыл бұрын

    Nobody's tier lists I trust more than the God of Cheese

  • @lewishorsman2219

    @lewishorsman2219

    Жыл бұрын

    I said the exact same thing when I saw the thumbnail 😂

  • @sev1120
    @sev1120 Жыл бұрын

    High magic is also available to the lizardmen, via the slann mage priests. You'll probably still take life, fire or even light over high magic, but it's a detail to take into account

  • @Garret007

    @Garret007

    Жыл бұрын

    was about to comment that

  • @dmanlip

    @dmanlip

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought that they only have those spells as abilities that use no winds(?).

  • @sev1120

    @sev1120

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dmanlip slann mage priests can be of fire, life, light or heavens. For bound abilities, they can get two free casts of banishment, in addition to whatever spells they have

  • @vivusthevivusthing6182

    @vivusthevivusthing6182

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sev1120 In MP they can be high mages, but we can't have five options for a dilema. As legend only works off of campaign info, no surprise he's ignoring that one.

  • @lemurking6896

    @lemurking6896

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vivusthevivusthing6182 They can be high mages in campaign. They have access to Fire, Light, Life, and High magic. They used to have Heavens according to the wiki but they no longer do.

  • @ChristofCube
    @ChristofCube Жыл бұрын

    You should make these longer, don't worry about the time. We all love the indepth analysis, and the tierlists in general.

  • @stealthbladeTK

    @stealthbladeTK

    Жыл бұрын

    WE NEED A CAMPAIGN MAP GENERATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @sammartin8746
    @sammartin8746 Жыл бұрын

    Seeing Ichy nuisance being rated highly is nice to see, I remember my first Grom campaign in WH2 I captured Helmgart and posted a goblin stack in there (I didn't want to invade the empire yet) and held out against three separate armies of increasing strength from Karl Franz, watching empire greatswords being beaten by basic goblins because they were exhausted and had -24 melee attack was hilarious

  • @xyro3633

    @xyro3633

    Жыл бұрын

    Too many rashes

  • @rhagos5562
    @rhagos5562 Жыл бұрын

    The lore of Nehekhara passive is what really sells it for me since that is the only way tomb kings can recover entities.

  • @totoyuki1

    @totoyuki1

    Жыл бұрын

    Lore of Nehekhara heal capped an entire army of tomb guard/Ushabti spam for me once. Had to grind something like 5 armies to paste, and despite some truly outrageous engagements that happened, I limped out with something like 17 out of 20 units from that fight. Nehekhara passive and its 2 super cheap spells are kinda OP in that situation.

  • @mythoceanas8874

    @mythoceanas8874

    Ай бұрын

    It’s just funny that he called Nehek a good spell, but every Nehekhara spell does the same thing, at 1/4 strength map wide every time you cast one. Also, cursed blades isn’t great but at 3/5 winds for its effect plus the passive, it’s my go to for the spam heal. I’ve also seen people use Righteous Smithing with Great Bows to soften up units on a charge and it’s pretty good.

  • @kacktustoo
    @kacktustoo Жыл бұрын

    Yeah I'm totally on board with a warhammer 3 trier list for any factions/lords/mechanics etc that have changed. It's really helpful to quickly get your thoughts on the value of things

  • @stealthbladeTK

    @stealthbladeTK

    Жыл бұрын

    WE NEED A CAMPAIGN MAP GENERATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @hasahaso2
    @hasahaso2 Жыл бұрын

    Nice tier list make more I always enjoy them

  • @xtrasquish
    @xtrasquish Жыл бұрын

    I will note that the vampire coast, or specifically the dreadfleet do have access to some of the lore of shadows now, as Count noctilus gets melkoth's and pit of shades in warhammer 3, which he didn't in 2.

  • @Keeki95

    @Keeki95

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, but that's going off just 1 legendary lord for the whole race. Makes more sense to talk about the generic lords and heroes, as uniques say more about how that particular faction plays.

  • @Garret007

    @Garret007

    Жыл бұрын

    actually forgot about that, ty for bringing that up

  • @TheRhysStreams
    @TheRhysStreams Жыл бұрын

    Solid list as always, I don't think fire does enough these days to truly be S tier anymore but definitely a solid A still. That's my only quibble. Most competing lores do similar levels of damage potentially with more reliability since you can no longer pseudo-aim vortexes, and typically have some additional utility. Though props for calling out piercing bolts of burning IMO that's the sleeper in lore of fire that gets overlooked by a lot of people.

  • @CrazyMegaOmega

    @CrazyMegaOmega

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah i find myself casting more piercing bolts of burning than thenother spells these days, it deals good damage to infantry, cav, monstrous infantry and even some to single entities, burning head is a shadow of its former self and i find vorteces much worse in wh3 as well

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree that Piercing Bolts is underrated. Piercing Bolts is very good at doing damage to SEMs. It's one of the best spells for that in the game, since most damage dealing spells either work better on Infantry than SEMs (like most vortexes), or do pitiful amounts of damage (like most Magic Missiles or Direct Damage Spells). And I completely agree that Fire Lore belongs with the A ranked Lores. There is a big gap between it and the other S rank Lores. And there is a lot of good competition in the A rank.

  • @Willdroyd

    @Willdroyd

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CrazyMegaOmega I mean i dont play on too high difficulty, maybe on legendary it like sucks but Burning Head for how early you get it wrecks early armies. And the people that get it use it well, dark elves can easily kill lots and lots of high elf archers/skavens/dark elves, they have a problem with norsca tho and high elves can also use it well(atleast i would think). Maybe on higher difficulties it doesnt do as much but i think it works great! maybe there were some changes i dont know about in these 4 months(other than it just running around and killing you more) but i still love the spell

  • @CrazyMegaOmega

    @CrazyMegaOmega

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Willdroyd Not a a recent thing, but it was significantly nerfed going from wh2 to wh3. It was one of the best spells in the game in 2 though so it's still not bad. I just prefer piercing bolts in wh3. Btw, Difficulty doesn't really have any affect on magic effectiveness. the main thing that changes is whether or not enemies get bonuses to melee stats and some minor AI differences having to do with their ranged units.

  • @Willdroyd

    @Willdroyd

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CrazyMegaOmega Abt the higher difficulty, good to know, i play on normal battle and very hard campaign so i didnt know if they got buffed on the wh2 thing, yeah it was absolutely insane in wh2, i played that insanity but i thought he said it was bad, i feel like its more balanced now

  • @Plaeya01
    @Plaeya01 Жыл бұрын

    I know you hate tier lists legend though I think this is just a great format to gain more information on the game, thank you always for your videos 💖

  • @Aetherion_

    @Aetherion_

    Жыл бұрын

    Its just so information dense that it can penetrate my thick skull

  • @esi3mn4j68

    @esi3mn4j68

    Жыл бұрын

    why does he hate Tierlists?

  • @CarletonSaw

    @CarletonSaw

    Жыл бұрын

    @@esi3mn4j68 He doesn't talk about it much but his previous family was slaughtered by a tier list in a dark ally and he had to watch. It left a mark.

  • @NTDang

    @NTDang

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CarletonSaw rip

  • @malcolmduncan
    @malcolmduncan Жыл бұрын

    I can't remember, has legend done a tier list of all his tier list videos yet? I feel like that would be his masterpiece of tier list videos

  • @AlexanderTheGoodEnough

    @AlexanderTheGoodEnough

    Жыл бұрын

    I wonder how his tier list of all his tier list videos would rank on a tier list of other creators tier list of all their tier list videos. Only then can we achive tier listception.

  • @Totaluser1

    @Totaluser1

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes he did a tier list tier for all his Warhammer 2 tier lists

  • @DirtyMardi
    @DirtyMardi Жыл бұрын

    Tier lists are good because they can be used to cram a lot of structured information into a short video. Please do make faction and legendary lord lists as well!

  • @Kinperor
    @Kinperor Жыл бұрын

    Shout out to Conductor Lore of Heaven HE wizards/archmages, they reduce the cost of Uranon's Thunderbolt twice (once from trait, once from leveling skill) and are readily available. Just a really great trait with a good lore of magic

  • @UndeadMongoose301

    @UndeadMongoose301

    Жыл бұрын

    Does that actually work? I thought the conductor trait only gives you access to overcasted thunderbolt without any of the skill point benefits (cooldown reduction, WoM cost etc)

  • @sicthemutt
    @sicthemutt Жыл бұрын

    I love your tier lists I learn a lot from them. Thank you

  • @lhays117
    @lhays117 Жыл бұрын

    I personally love the lash of slaanesh. I know it’s not particularly damaging, but it’s always so satisfying to see infantry dudes go flying through the air after getting thwacked by it.

  • @joshwalton25

    @joshwalton25

    Жыл бұрын

    The animation for Spirit Leech is one of my favorites, even if it's a very meh spell overall.

  • @lhays117

    @lhays117

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshwalton25 Yeah agreed. That said, I do think spirit leech is quite useful for taking out fast lords or heroes when they're trying to retreat from the field of battle. Still, it could definitely use a bit of a damage boost.

  • @csmnstoica
    @csmnstoica Жыл бұрын

    I think lore of Ice is severly underated. Heart of Winter is one of the best dps spells in the game. Since AI tends to blob around heroes/lords in W3 and the heroes/caster lord of Kislev are really tanky, you can cheese the AI very easy - 1 ice lord + 3 patriarch (all on bears) can solo any army. Just blob them up - heart of winter, heal when necessary. In two overcast heart of winter you will get army losses.

  • @shanethesmith443

    @shanethesmith443

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm also fond of Lore of Ice. If I recall correctly, Heart of Winter doesn't do friendly fire (although the tooltip doesn't specify), so the tactic you mention also works with Tzar Guard and War Bear Riders.

  • @SuperNintendawg

    @SuperNintendawg

    Жыл бұрын

    I also think Legend is sleeping on Ice Sheet. It's not a fantastic spell, but it's cheap, has a large AoE, and has great syncretism with frostbite attacks. It allows your units to get 1-2 more volleys in for an extremely cheap cost, and that's actually super powerful for Kislev. You can also use it to kite units or even help with retreating if necessary.

  • @magni5648

    @magni5648

    11 ай бұрын

    @@shanethesmith443 Heart of Winter is a direct damage spell. No friendly fire.

  • @BaseballNut719
    @BaseballNut719 Жыл бұрын

    So happy to get a tier list back. I love these. They are so helpful not just for how you rank them, but also for how you explain everything. I have realized that I could be using a spell or unit more efficiently because of these tier lists so many times.

  • @nybbThering
    @nybbThering Жыл бұрын

    I literally looked yesterday to see if you had made this yet! Much love for putting this out!

  • @someked3517
    @someked3517 Жыл бұрын

    Would love to see a tier list on the new Champions of Chaos DLC units.

  • @jasonquigley2633
    @jasonquigley2633 Жыл бұрын

    In defence of lore of ice, I've won entire battles just based off of 1 or 2 casts of heart of winter. It does big damage in a big area and no friendly fire. It's an expensive spell, but if you play it right 1 cast will win a battle. The slow spell is also not bad, especially given how cheap it is, and its a good way to keep the passive triggered.

  • @Tsaroff21
    @Tsaroff21 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see these types of videos again. Great overview; very informative.

  • @casualplayeroftotalwar1344
    @casualplayeroftotalwar1344 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Legend, good to see another tier list. Though I think High Magic belongs in B or even in A tier; Soul Quench can be devastating for its cost thanks to its explosion damage (much much better than spells like Fireball) and if I am not mistaken, Tempest is actually attached to the unit it was cast on so you don't have to worry about the location (I am not completely sure).

  • @shorewall

    @shorewall

    Жыл бұрын

    Tempest doesn't attach to the unit. I double checked just now to be sure. It doesn't specify a target.

  • @pureityXXX

    @pureityXXX

    Жыл бұрын

    Soul Quench only has a marginally higher explosion damage and direct hit compared to Fireball. What makes it good is that it's explosion radius is 70% larger and it applies a brief direct damage effect for 2-4 damage against up to 25 models for 4 ticks.

  • @casualplayeroftotalwar1344

    @casualplayeroftotalwar1344

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah thanks, I meant to say the damage the explosion deals, not explosion damage. And also thanks for the clarification about Tempest.

  • @UkeRocket
    @UkeRocket Жыл бұрын

    Yay tier lists!! 😄 2 minor thoughts: -Hand of Glory is actually amazing. Regular cast is good, but *overcast* it and it triples the DPS of an archer unit for very few winds. -Fate of Bjuna is expensive, but if you have an abundance of winds, it deletes infantry. Not worth it if you’re not at high winds, though. Great list though. Please more!

  • @alexscholz3438

    @alexscholz3438

    Жыл бұрын

    Fate of Bjuna is definitely my preferred death magic spell compared to Purple Sun. I feel like Purple Sun's vortex moves faster than other vortex spells, so it just runs off and ends up not doing much. Meanwhile FoB can be casted on pretty much any high-tier infantry unit to annihilate them; last time I used it, it was consistently killing high-tier infantry to 80-90%, but that was awhile back admittedly. Hand of glory can also be really great for Lothern Sea Guard, Mistwalkers, Shadow Warriors/Walkers and Sisters of Avelorn. I especially like using it on Spire Guard or Sea Guard whenever a really annoying single-entity comes along, as it tends to give them the nudge they need to win a 1v1.

  • @ShadowWalker-ng1it

    @ShadowWalker-ng1it

    Жыл бұрын

    yeah hands of glory can turn a unit of sisters into machine guns and delete units

  • @booface4229

    @booface4229

    Жыл бұрын

    Hand of Glory is amazing in multiplayer or very early singleplayer because you tend to have smaller armies and fewer ranged units relative to melee units, so the impact is much more relative to the performance of the army. In mid and late singleplayer the way Legend plays it's not a big deal, because he brings way more ranged units and the extra DPS on one ranged unit will be barely noticeable.

  • @carloterrenato8511
    @carloterrenato8511 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Legend just wondering why you didn't include the passives for the different lores in your tierlist, and also something I find very useful about Djaf's Incantation of Cursed Blades is that overcasting it gives a strong bonus vs large which I've seen some really good use with and allows you spam the Nehekhara passive as well, just adding my two cents.

  • @KorsAir1987

    @KorsAir1987

    Жыл бұрын

    Nehekhara passive healing really adds up over time. Lore of Slaneesh passive is also very good, +10 melee attack if I remember correctly.

  • @mr.wolfter3657
    @mr.wolfter3657 Жыл бұрын

    Really good tier list. I only miss passives and thats bit a shame, because some of lore of magic are build on it. For example flock of doom (4 magic) and magic regen. makes lore of beast so good. Or lore of nekkehara is OK lore, because of spamming defensive cheap spell and heal your army throuh passive.

  • @Arael621
    @Arael621 Жыл бұрын

    Ah! It's great to see the tier lists make a return! Always been my favorite.

  • @Phoenix-sc6di
    @Phoenix-sc6di Жыл бұрын

    Oi, regarding the Lore of death vortex. Vortexes have another stat, force. Meaning, how much they throw units around. Problem is, units with their back on the ground don't take damage. So Vortex spells with a lot of force tend to do a lot less dmg. That explains why some vortexes with lower force (Eye of Tzeentch, Dwellers Bellow, thou that one is strong for a multitude of other reasons as you mentioned) are way stronger then once with higher force, and the Lore of Death Magic Vortex happens to suck units up and around a lot. It may also explain the weirdly high WoM Costs, CA seems to value force as a good thing. Which it arguably is, it's just that the best disruption tends to be death.

  • @magma1lord
    @magma1lord Жыл бұрын

    Thinking about this. A tierlist on the best mages of each faction/game would be interesting.

  • @indrickboreale7381

    @indrickboreale7381

    Жыл бұрын

    Explosive HE Archmage is probably the best mage

  • @GameLover45408

    @GameLover45408

    Жыл бұрын

    Empire would be Lore of Fire or Lore of Light.

  • @katze4864
    @katze4864 Жыл бұрын

    I subscribed fairly recently and immediately went to watch all of your tier lists, love em

  • @michealpulkka6809
    @michealpulkka6809 Жыл бұрын

    never really got around enough to get a feel for all of the magic in the games, so it's cool seeing a breakdown of them all!

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh9781 Жыл бұрын

    Kraken´s Pull is great because you can cast it at the Gate during sieges (in TWWH2), which is great for clearing those nasty missile units the AI loves placing there. Also, it looks really spectacular XD

  • @Garret007

    @Garret007

    Жыл бұрын

    Totally agree. *pirates of the caribbean music intensifies*

  • @magma1lord
    @magma1lord Жыл бұрын

    Yes. was hoping for this one Legend.

  • @ivanbenkovic610
    @ivanbenkovic610 Жыл бұрын

    HELL YEAHH I WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

  • @slane000
    @slane000 Жыл бұрын

    tier lists are why i subscribe to this channel... legends tier listing is by far the most accurate one... hopefully we get a repeat of the faction tier ranking masterpiece he did in wh2

  • @KachiAT
    @KachiAT Жыл бұрын

    I'd wish you'd go for passives too, since low cost spells with good passive can provide a value of it's own(like Nehekhara healing or armour and missile block chance for ice) and you kinda overlook Gust of True Flight as a buff ability, yes, area is not big, but accuracy bonus with range bonus stacks very nice with long range that Kislev already have in midgame. Kislev magic is quite limited, but some spells are really, really good for campaign, especially in context of their armies.

  • @OmniCausticInfidel
    @OmniCausticInfidel Жыл бұрын

    hell yeah i love the tier lists! would love to have more of these for warhammer 3 if you ever feel like it

  • @hereisjohnny1875
    @hereisjohnny1875 Жыл бұрын

    Gotta love the tier lists

  • @purdueswash
    @purdueswash Жыл бұрын

    I can’t wait for the tierlist tierlist.

  • @manub9750
    @manub9750 Жыл бұрын

    Good tier list, as always. I just want to add: in the tempest lore of magic, don't overlook Gust of True Flight. That spell transforms a bunch of blind kossars, into a mass of elite sniper squads. One of the best buffs of the game context-wise in my opinion.

  • @666stonewall
    @666stonewall Жыл бұрын

    Great list, well detailed. Cheers Legend!

  • @greencheek
    @greencheek Жыл бұрын

    Whaaaaat!? Love that you and the misses are into valheim! The mistlands update is so so good!

  • @nerdytom6881
    @nerdytom6881 Жыл бұрын

    8:30 Slaanesh units use Phantasmagoria to 'get it up'. S (for Slaanesh) tier right there.

  • @daxl505
    @daxl505 Жыл бұрын

    Yess finally tier list are back !!! Pls we need more

  • @felixotto779
    @felixotto779 Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed a new tierlist and like the idea of updating the old WH2 ones.

  • @Fox-Osc
    @Fox-Osc Жыл бұрын

    In my opinion, now that winds of magic pools are effectively unlimited in WH3, the deliverance of itza spells should be increased in size. There's no debate how much stronger it is in lore, but we can now potentially have 60 WoM cost spells, I really think it should just flatten a large area of the map, but for a huge cost. Let me know what you guys think :) Edit for clarity: I think the first one should be cheap and cheerful, maybe 10 WoM for a small area. The second should be considerably larger and hit harder, an area approximately the size, or greater, of blight boil. That should cost 30 WoM. Then the final one, da big boi, imo should be a huge AoE for 60+ WoM

  • @christopherjones7191

    @christopherjones7191

    Жыл бұрын

    If you went with that I'd also suggest maybe a limit along with the WoM cost. Like a reusable skaven Nuke.

  • @Fox-Osc

    @Fox-Osc

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christopherjones7191 great idea!

  • @Jin-vx2oe
    @Jin-vx2oe Жыл бұрын

    Very good post. I would say I have a different ranking due to Bias, but your list is probably more practical. Thank you for the content.

  • @Jeff125
    @Jeff125 Жыл бұрын

    So helpful, truly appreciate the video

  • @kreuzrittergottes9336
    @kreuzrittergottes9336 Жыл бұрын

    vids like this are some of your best products.

  • @agps4418
    @agps4418 Жыл бұрын

    23:10 crazy thing about raise dead is on necromancers.. they have a skill that increase the casting range so great, you can: 1. snipe-summon enemy ranged units from BEHIND the infantry line, shutting the ranged units down. the enemy suddenly has no archer/gunner units (for a while) 2. create a safe box for your flanking units. Say, you want your vargheist/cavalry to strike enemy infantry line from their back, but you fear the chargers themselves are gonna be charged from behind, so use raise dead on the chargers' back note: strangely, when casting the spell from a far, the cursor shows red, supposedly saying the spell is out of range, but then it's being casted anyway

  • @Mathurian
    @Mathurian Жыл бұрын

    More tier lists...they are my favorite!

  • @milansvancara
    @milansvancara2 ай бұрын

    more tier lists please, best content:)

  • @MegaNever2010
    @MegaNever2010 Жыл бұрын

    Lizardmen have access to lore of High Magic too right? With their Slann.

  • @dmitriyk.2890

    @dmitriyk.2890

    Жыл бұрын

    Only in MP if I am not mistaken.

  • @Garret007

    @Garret007

    Жыл бұрын

    They absolutely do, yes. He simply forgot about that

  • @dad378
    @dad378 Жыл бұрын

    The "Supreme shield of the old ones" should maybe be included/considered with Lore of Kroak or itza? its a really good area ward save. love the video as always.

  • @Ulfberht59
    @Ulfberht59 Жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @aliserkansar335
    @aliserkansar335 Жыл бұрын

    With all respect, I think slaanesh magic is pretty decent. Army wide buff and mirror spells are amazing. But thats my opinion.

  • @Damesanglante

    @Damesanglante

    Жыл бұрын

    Phantasmagoria is so good for Slaanesh battlefield control. Really underrated.

  • @YaYaBeast3
    @YaYaBeast3 Жыл бұрын

    As a new player, this was really helpful. Thanks.

  • @Damesanglante

    @Damesanglante

    Жыл бұрын

    Keep in mind that it is very biased. Once you'll have won many games with Phantasmagoria, you'll laugh with the rankings. 😆

  • @Eliwood29
    @Eliwood29 Жыл бұрын

    I doubt it changes anything but you can get the lore of death passive for Nurgle spells too which i dont believe you mentioned (i think the other chaos lores have a similar thing going on too)

  • @MrNyerk

    @MrNyerk

    Жыл бұрын

    Lore of Metal passive -> Tzeentch spells ; Lore of Shadow passive -> Slaanesh spells

  • @Victimxofxprogress
    @Victimxofxprogress Жыл бұрын

    I recommend running the Impactful Magic 3 mod. I really makes a lot of spells more balanced, a lot of single target spells become AoE when overcast. All buff spells duration is doubled

  • @Simmerian
    @Simmerian Жыл бұрын

    Yay love these lists!

  • @wiltednebula8841
    @wiltednebula8841 Жыл бұрын

    Very informative. Personally I like using all the magics. After a certain point in any campaign you can do whatever you want.

  • @shortstop1231000
    @shortstop1231000 Жыл бұрын

    The best part of harmonic convergence is it's low magic cost. I use it a lot to win isolated fights on flanks or keep my flanks from caving. Generally you're right that single unit buffs aren't great but this one just gives such a great bonus I love it. If I have say, my cav going up against enemy cav, this can be a great spell to stick on them to help them win that fight and then be able to do their thing behind enemy lines. Also I think you're underselling how good hand of glory is. That +40 reload skill translates to a 1.66 times increase in DPS. This spell is particularly good for high elves. Its obviously good for the SoA. But its also really good to put it on the LSG, Sentinels of Astaril, or the Spire Guard, if the cav decides to go after them because that added attack is nice. All for 4 magic its great.

  • @weaverreaver4448
    @weaverreaver44485 ай бұрын

    Love this video, but I think there's something to be said about kroak's ability to free up your lore choices. Since your magic is relatively cheap and very effective at eliminating infantry, that opens up the option for more specialized magic that might otherwise not be worth your time. For example, Since your infantry is freed up from fighting other infantry, you can focus on buffing them with magic- which will do wonders to push your newfound numbers advantage even against units that would normally be stronger.

  • @AndrewPeverells
    @AndrewPeverells Жыл бұрын

    Fun thing: the Dwellers Below is as powerful in TW as it is dreaded in the tabletop. It destroys blocks of miniatures, it's so feared. It can win you games single-handedly.

  • @Damesanglante

    @Damesanglante

    Жыл бұрын

    Or the purple sun on saurus army. 🤣

  • @ORO323
    @ORO323 Жыл бұрын

    Nice! I’ve been wondering which are better in wh3. Although I understand that they are also situational. This list helps a ton!

  • @Severus_Majustus
    @Severus_Majustus Жыл бұрын

    i love me a good tier list to start the day

  • @Sternmayer
    @Sternmayer Жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed it a lot. Thanks Legend.

  • @kurihan
    @kurihan Жыл бұрын

    finally the tier lists return :D

  • @tacitus6384
    @tacitus6384 Жыл бұрын

    Amusingly, the Lore of Life has some *boss* spells in Warhammer 2nd ed RPG as well, while the Ice Maiden ice lore is boss too with easy-to-cast, high damage and ensnaring spells that f up single or mobs of enemies.

  • @chunchunmaru5128
    @chunchunmaru5128 Жыл бұрын

    47:03 I fought a battle against Orion and his pixie used Tempest on my flying units and it started following them, no matter where I was moving them, maybe it's been reworked?

  • @kennethward5564
    @kennethward5564 Жыл бұрын

    Oh my god you know I was searching the old tier list to try find Ying and yang

  • @Milunnn
    @Milunnn Жыл бұрын

    Literally what I wanted! Thanks

  • @sev1120
    @sev1120 Жыл бұрын

    The lore of shadows passive is also good for Slaanesh because it provides extra speed mapwide to your army

  • @AnthonyConstable
    @AnthonyConstable Жыл бұрын

    Good work here mate.

  • @GameLover45408
    @GameLover45408 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, which lore spells you think need a rework or an update?

  • @baird5682
    @baird5682 Жыл бұрын

    Really great video, i would just love if it had timestamps for each lore.

  • @AshenVictor
    @AshenVictor Жыл бұрын

    The biggest problem I have with Blossom Wind on Yin is that the strike zone is super narrow. IIRC it gets a bit bigger overcast but it's not efficient. The blind effect is short as well. In Warhammer 3 I find overall I get the best value out of stationary vortex and bombardment spells, used once the enemy is engaged in fighting so they don't dodge.

  • @supertinnietank
    @supertinnietank Жыл бұрын

    I would have recommended having columns for each faction, and rating them faction by faction to most easily and accurately capture the context for each lore. Dunno if Tier maker supports that easily but from a presentation design perspective that's the way I'd do it. Also makes the list a handy reference document for theory crafters and over-analyzers.

  • @Antidragon-nl7by
    @Antidragon-nl7by Жыл бұрын

    Slight correction; Lizardmen also get access to High Magic, but the same problem persists; they too get fire and life magic as an alternative.

  • @binjin3341
    @binjin3341 Жыл бұрын

    wish to see a tier list of all heros in Warhammer 3 (maybe can split based on categories: melee, mage, spy. etc.)

  • @SirMcAwesome
    @SirMcAwesome Жыл бұрын

    Really like the fact that you went through each lore's spells briefly in the spell browser and talked about them. Very useful and added a lot more context to the tier list rather than just making an overall statement about each lore.

  • @insearchofprometheus
    @insearchofprometheus Жыл бұрын

    How to the lore passives factor into this? For example I know Lore of Slaanesh is considered pretty decent in multiplayer because the whip spell allows you to almost continuously proc the map-wide buff from the lore passive.

  • @thepavl
    @thepavl Жыл бұрын

    Rancid visitations melts single entity targets I found it very useful but as legend said expensive

  • @soldieroffortune308
    @soldieroffortune308 Жыл бұрын

    Am I the last one that just realized the potential of pairing a few dark magic and one life magic caster on the wood elves ? Almost infinite winds.

  • @firepengu7410
    @firepengu7410 Жыл бұрын

    Didn't realize aspect of Dread Knight gives magic attacks. Given the passive winds refund, that's actually a very efficient spell if you're up against demons

  • @OniGanon

    @OniGanon

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah I think they added that toward the end of game 2.

  • @Global_Intelligentsia
    @Global_Intelligentsia Жыл бұрын

    Really useful guide. It is funny that you comment at one point that damage dealing spells are best and yet you have life magic and necromancy up top with the best healing spells! (obviously they have other good spells as well but just trolling really)

  • @TheGreaterGrog
    @TheGreaterGrog Жыл бұрын

    You can get a good return on Oath & Steel if you use it on slayer units since they have terrible armor to start with. Mainly useful if you screwed up and got them in combat with chaff though.

  • @cybergeist8932
    @cybergeist8932 Жыл бұрын

    Lore of Slannesh, particularly Phantasmogoria is amazing with Azazel. He has another ability i cant quite remember the name of that also gives -16 leadership. And then Devastating Flanker drops another -8, using all 3 of these at once will insta-route literally any unit below 70 leadership

  • @alirezarezaei2976
    @alirezarezaei2976 Жыл бұрын

    Wait!!! Where is the lore of Khorne!?!?!!!!

  • @dtly50

    @dtly50

    Жыл бұрын

    The lore of khorne is whenever you don't use magic in a battle. And use milk for khorneflakes rather than cheese.

  • @emanuelalfred1565

    @emanuelalfred1565

    Жыл бұрын

    Lord of Khorne is so op that it breaks the tier list. The one spell where you send Skarbrand in is just so hard to match because it melts everything by itself at no cost to WOM. You can even overcast it at no additional cost and wipe the enemy out sooner😂

  • @jessblues848
    @jessblues848 Жыл бұрын

    Tierlist time let's go!!!!

  • @jevans-klock50
    @jevans-klock50 Жыл бұрын

    Oooh what a pleasant surprise!

  • @lostnumber08
    @lostnumber08 Жыл бұрын

    Legend is the best tuber to listen to at 1.25% speed. Love you!

  • @urdaanglospey6666
    @urdaanglospey6666 Жыл бұрын

    So, one of the things I've been looking for and failing to find is a Death caster who can reduce spell costs to 0 (any death spell OR have the death passive and reduce another lore of magic's cost). Have you found someone/some combination? (Trying to generate infinite winds. I know Kairos can approach even but I don't think he can go infinite though, if anyone can, it SHOULD be him :P )

  • @CravoneYT
    @CravoneYT8 ай бұрын

    Glad I am not the only one that sees how good Dwellers Below for the Life school is nowadays, I was using this in my lizardman campaign, because my stegaddons just don't take damage from it (they do but its virtually non existent), but the blobbed enemies, oh god, I could take out 5 stacks of undead with 1 stack of stegadons, a life slann and an oracle.

  • @Konraden
    @Konraden Жыл бұрын

    The only time I've gotten value out of High Magic's Tempest was in WH2, casting on flying units during sieges when they would just sit in the town square.

  • @discipleofdagon8195
    @discipleofdagon8195 Жыл бұрын

    Where would Hashut fit on this? I reckon the direct damage spell is quite good and the fire weakness spell pairs really well with the overall damage affinity of the chaos dorfs.

  • @luierdaneenpamper3877

    @luierdaneenpamper3877

    Жыл бұрын

    Came here with the same question

  • @STR33TSofJUST1C3

    @STR33TSofJUST1C3

    11 ай бұрын

    Easily A tier. I wouldn't rank it S tier since it's not overpowered. But it works wonderfully in combination with Fire and Metal. My main Chorf armies always have one Hashut prophet and one daemonsmith of Fire and Metal each. Chaos Dwarfs have one of the best lore combinations available to them. Lots of AOE and debuff spells that are specifically aimed at armour and fire.

  • @hansellionheart8976
    @hansellionheart8976 Жыл бұрын

    tier lists are poggers!

  • @zacharyguillotte9852
    @zacharyguillotte9852 Жыл бұрын

    Love the tier lists

  • @Peep215
    @Peep215 Жыл бұрын

    I love Ice. It pairs so well with Dakka. Think of it as an army enabler/support magic.

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