You forgot one more thing Alan Scott is not, he's not supposed to be Gay. That is a massive retcon, the guy has a wife and kids.

@ALDAL

4 ай бұрын

yeah that was stupid

@CrisisComics

4 ай бұрын

I think "you shouldn't make him gay" is less effective of an argument than "you shouldn't make him gay because you're bad at writing gay characters", which is what he's doing here.

@Ali-ii8il

4 ай бұрын

Yeah He was never at all gay I bet they did it because his son was gay

@troffle

4 ай бұрын

@@CrisisComics he's also written the Spectre and the entire situation incredibly badly. Just cut your sentence down to "he's bad at writing".

@Zeromegas

4 ай бұрын

The Gay Version was from the 52 and he was turn gay in the last moments of printing Earth 2 #1 as the linearts he was dating a asian gal but it was change to a short asian man.

You're forgetting one thing, buddy. This isn't meant to be read as a hero comic. This is a vector for someone's political message. It's not for entertainment. It's meant to preach to the reader

@brandonscott5544

4 ай бұрын

TIM SHERIDAN TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE WRITING HOT 🔥 GARBAGE 🗑💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰🪙💰💰💰💰💰

@ArionNoble

4 ай бұрын

They are horrible preachers.

@brucecampbellschin8632

4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure he brings it up in previous videos on this particular comic.

@Shiirow

4 ай бұрын

if I wanted someone try to sell me on something, Id ask for more hostess cherry pie adverts. at least those were cheesy yet entertaining.

@VincentMcmanus.

4 ай бұрын

Isn't that the case with all comic books and movies these days? It's getting harder and harder to find some kind of media that isn't trying to force a political belief down our throats.

Why can’t they ever ever ever create a NEW character instead of constantly retconning established characters to fit a writer’s personal vision of putting themselves in established characters???

@ekij133

4 ай бұрын

Because the characters are unlikeable and the stories are bad. The _only_ thing that might (bait and switch) trick someone into picking up this book is the pre-established character.

@colvamoon6962

4 ай бұрын

I think JSG addressed that years ago, and the answer is simple: popularity. Why work to make a new character popular, when you can simply alter an already popular character? That's their mindset.

@susandolan9543

4 ай бұрын

They would need to have creative thoughts to be able to create original and new characters. Since they don't they can't. Read George Orwell's 1984. Winston Smith lives in a world that had no past, since the past is constantly being destroyed. And the key world here is CONSTANTLY to insert "The Party's" mandates. Winston lives in a world that has no past and no future. Only a horrible present that never ends.

@ellugerdelacruz2555

4 ай бұрын

Beacuse they like proving the Right-wing right... THEY ARE PARASITES.

@joelofsteel6713

4 ай бұрын

Because that would require imagination, originality, creativity and hard work and none of these hack writers are capable of that

Getting hugged by the Spectre, uhm....Never a good sign seeing that he's the Spirit of Vengeance.

@Arvyn992

4 ай бұрын

That's very very true about that

@totomen666

4 ай бұрын

Spectre is also a gay, Gay of Vengeance

@CrisisComics

4 ай бұрын

I imagine that hugging the Spectre is like embracing a tombstone on an icy night. Less "Aww, he really cares about me" and more "Jesus Christ, I'm gonna die."

@katarhall3047

4 ай бұрын

@@totomen666LOL Had to laugh at this.

@katarhall3047

4 ай бұрын

@@CrisisComicsYeah I don't see him as warm and snuggly. More so the wrath of the Presence is about to rip your soul apart.

The most hilarious thing to me is the idea of The Spectre, the *embodiment of God's Wrath on Earth* , digging through police files like The Question when he could just sense where these murders are being committed, teleport himself and Alan Scott to the scene of the crime, and kill the culprit. That'd be like Zeus following a paper trail and bribing some cops to shoot someone he didn't like instead of blasting them to ash with a thunderbolt.

@aaronwilder2775

4 ай бұрын

The Spectre was/is literally a detective, this is going based on off the original take of the character

possibly the worst part of all is that from what you have shown this comic book has really good art. The quality of the writing vs the art on display feels like if you had a large diamond on a candy necklace.

@LordWyatt

4 ай бұрын

Well said

@derrenwood-peterson8518

4 ай бұрын

Isn't that the Left in a nutshell? A very fitting NUT shell? Not even a gay joke, a crazy joke.

@donweatherwax9318

4 ай бұрын

​@@LordWyattAgree, very nice metaphor! [Hmmm, is it "metaphor" or "simile"?] [looks it up] Very nice simile!

@troffle

4 ай бұрын

@@derrenwood-peterson8518 there are now two different kinds of left. The kind that grew up in the 70s and 80s that now think the current Woke SJWs are functionally delusional and insane... and the current Woke SJWs. If you wouldn't mind, don't tar lots of innocents fighting the same fight as you with the same brush.

@MrTobi013

4 ай бұрын

Oh man I hate that! The book looks amazing and even has the Spectre in it...but I'll never read it.😓

He gets an entire fictional world in which to portray his protagonist as righteous, and to make his own evil straw men representing people he doesn’t like…and he comes up with “God wants me to be like this because it feels good to me so it must be right,” a defense used by complete psychopaths and murderers.

Nobody wants to read about stupid, entitled whiners. That’s the danger of self-inserts…

@shawnwarrynn8609

4 ай бұрын

This precisely why I hate Tsundere girls in Anime and Manga! They're nothing but stupid, violent, egotistical, entitled, whinny and hypocritical control freaks!

@shawnwarrynn8609

4 ай бұрын

Like, I am not joking the Anime and Manga industry can be very hypocritical and Misandristic just like Western Comics and Cartoons!

why would the literal embodiment of vengeance ever hug anything is the most ludicrous thing in this comic

The Spectre gives out hugs?! I never knew that...

@thatHARVguy

4 ай бұрын

Hugs of vengeance.

@jsmith8255

4 ай бұрын

Also the reach-around of vengeance

@susanwojcickisnicetwin

4 ай бұрын

Is there a power bottom of vengeance?

@barriolimbas

4 ай бұрын

Killed the first born of Egypt...Literally fights primordial chaos hand to hand...also gives hugs.

Kinda seems like the reason the book has nothing but incredibly weak depictions of homophobia is because the modern "oppression" they experience is so minimal that they can't concieve of the real thing or depict it without trivializing the modern struggle.

I was fine with them making Alan Scott gay in the Nu52 since it was a reboot and a new version of the character. However making the original golden age GL gay just doesn't sit right.

@Arvyn992

4 ай бұрын

It does felt very forced for sure

@thatHARVguy

4 ай бұрын

I think it was Earth-2 Alan Scott they made gay. But they had to make Earth-Prime Alan Scott gay too. FFS

@CrisisComics

4 ай бұрын

Especially since it retcons his relationships into "I was super gay but then I had two children with my wife but then I decided to be gay again". If he wasn't attracted to her, then why would he be so intimate with her as to conceive Jade and Obsidian? I mean, they COULD just say that he's bisexual and only pair him up with men from now on like they did Tim Drake and Jon Kent, but I guess THEN people would grow wise to their antics (plus it would diminish the whole "ZOMG- ALAN SCOTT IS GAY!" retcon that they're so proud of). Better to just treat Jade and Obsidian with the same reverence as Mopee.

@Darthpsychonis

4 ай бұрын

@@CrisisComics Exactly, it just doesn't work with his pre-established history. Same with Tim Drake. I have absolutely no issue with them making Jon Kent gay because he is a newer character and hadn't had his sexual established yet.

@brokenm8950

4 ай бұрын

Welcome to the slippery slope. They made you okay with it now they are pushing here. Nu52 could have literally been a new character.

Such a shame how far Green Lantern has fallen. I always loved the Green Lantern lore in DC.

Thank you for your noble sacrifice. You have taken one for the team and read this unrecognisable bastardisation of classic characters written by clowns, with little understanding of the fundamentals. In fact, I apologise for the comparison that insults clowns.

Allen's powers are different then the Corps, but Will and imagination are still quite important. So his constructs and such should be weak AF right now. A hug? While in Spector form? Not as Jim, but as Spector? Goddamn it.

His constructs should shatter like spun sugar glass.

Apparently modern writers, and I guess their audiences, need everything spelled out for them in detail. That old expression "explain it to me like I'm 5," has taken over all narratives. Next they'll be writing these scripts in crayon.

@chrisbaker8533

4 ай бұрын

You're assuming they aren't already?

@roddprime

4 ай бұрын

I blame it on the editor and editing staff. These new young writers are coming up with these stories and these old editors don't want to seem homophobic or racist let them write these stories without question. Let the editor do his job and pose the right questions to the writers to make the stories more interesting and entertaining.

This reminded me of that one episode of the Fairly Oddparents when the Crimson Chin spends all the pages of a comic book in a fetal position...

I always give props to critics who give alternative ways the story could've been written to highlight the issues. It speaks volumes when the consumer can think up a more engaging storyline which would still even benefit the allegory the author is after.

I never knew that the Golden Age Spectre was ever so chatty and cuddly. How… sweet…

If nothing else, I would expect that a hug from the Specter would be bone chillingly cold.

That comic about The Spectre hating homosexuals sounds like it had more nuance in exploring the topic at hand than this comic...

@willgillies5670

4 ай бұрын

it was a story that had moral argument , yes, nuance, it had MEAT to it. Now look at this Soyboy crap we are served. I feel bad for trees that died to print this crap.

@draykohunter6805

4 ай бұрын

It Unironically engaged me more as a description than this book

I realized that most of the writers for shows and comics now are basically just journaling.

Spectre should be the LAST member of the JSA to hug this version of Alan Scott.

I wonder if the guy that gets called 'Alan Scott' in this series is really Tim Sheridan's poorly-disguised SI.

Well said. This version of Alan Scott is completely different from any version I've ever read, and not because he's gay. Like you said, he's lost his heroic qualities in this story.

Tim Sheridan wrote a Gay Man in the Closet in the 30s-40s comic with a lot of angst instead of a Pulp Hero/Superhero comic.

Makes as much sense as Disney Star Wars lightsabers.

All tim has done is shown that Fear isn't a GL's greatest foe. it's depression and self loathing.

Is it any wonder that manga is currently outselling DC and Marvel, and that indie comics is getting more and more popular?

JSG: "They're trying to flip them off, but they're using all the fingers except the one that matters." Me: "Shocking."

Maybe the problem is tackling this in an us vs them mindset. Or maybe its the taking of established characters and poorly retconning them to be gay.

id love to see a modernised version of that green lantern suit

go go emo ranger

And maybe, instead of going into the comic with the goal to pass off a bunch of potential readers, you just make a good story with some. "What do you think about this?" elements.

I can't even wrap my mind around the idea of the Spectre being sympathetic. To anyone. He's literally Divine Wrath. He should barely be able to get through the day without killing someone for a fleeting thought.

If you want to read a good writer's take on a gay character, that puts the character first, then you realize they're gay but don't care go read Warren Ellis's Authority. Hell, go read any of the Midnighter mini-series. Garth Ennis did a great job with the character in the Kev books. They joked around a little, but in the end it was in good fun. Also Kev usually got his for talking shit about Midnighter being gay! Those are good writers!

I've actually been writing my own interaction of this character and it's precisely for some of the reasons you are commenting about here. I can tell you, he's NOT gay. he has willpower and generally is something special.

@troffle

4 ай бұрын

They're superheroes. By definition, they're meant to be something special.

@whie8crow

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, hence my point.@@troffle

@troffle

4 ай бұрын

@@whie8crow Sorry, yes. I meant, for superheroes, that's a standard normal thing. It's just in the stupidity of Today that superheroes being super might not be the standard order of the day.

This is why I can’t stand “writers”, “actors”/activist hired to “champion marginalized groups” by writing us as mere cliche stereotypes. There’s a films called “Our Son” about a married couple going through a divorce and fighting for parental rights for their son. Nothing new, except the couple is gay. The story itself felt new in the genre of gay films, unfortunately there’s parts of the film and story that goes into those same stereotypes. The gay couple isn’t monogamous, one of them hooks up with someone at a gay bar (after a heartfelt moment which steals all the emotions away from the scene) and of course all of their gay male friends have daddy issues. When it gets away from that, the film is actually pretty good. Though Billy Porter and Luke Evans have very little chemistry. But the story still works. The problem with mainstream media is that they don’t realize, THEYRE true racist and bigots. Because they just use the same troupes over and over again and declare anyone who doesn’t like their cliche trash is a racist. Like the bomb “Bros”

If you are a long-time fan of these characters you may even notice all the other continuity, characterization and canon this series undermines. It is like current DC has no editors.

Alan Scott's' powers come form an Energy Being called:" The Star heart" it has nothing to do with the Modern Will Power Based Green lantern Corp that you know.

@jamesreno

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps, but a good writer would consider that detail to be important and go over that for newer readers, especially in a limited series.

@talmiz101

4 ай бұрын

@@jamesreno true, but Tim is not a Good Writer :D LOL

@Arvyn992

4 ай бұрын

Alan Scott is more of a Magic based hero

@troffle

4 ай бұрын

The Starheart JOINED with previous Green Lantern Yalan Gur's ring and battery. There's still some Green Lantern functionality in there.

Are you sure not that good of a writer my dude? I've heard a couple of off-handed "off the top of my head" pitches you've done hear and there and they've been really good.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't really read green lantern, but as far as I know, Alan Scott is the only green lantern that DOESN'T get his power from his will. His lantern ring isn't made by the guardians, it's just a random meteor/magic stone or something? At least it was in his golden age appearance. Maybe they retconned that in the last 80 years, but as far as I'm aware, he's the literal only green lantern to not run on willpower.

@aaronwilder2775

4 ай бұрын

You're right like even with the retcon they did (where it was fashioned by the Guardians) it was straight up magic and not the sort of nebulas scifi/fantasy the current Lantern Corps stuff is

Seems to me Sheridan didn't consider that people like Hoover would be keeping tabs, so the MC can't consider it because the writer wants to reference noted historical figures but didn't understand their motus opporendi. Hoover was incredibly paranoid, and wouldn't have let the matter drop. I agree entirely, so that is a continuity error that should have been avoidable. It's a writing issue. The scene with the Flash just makes me think Sheridan wanted to set up a fight, and had no clue how to make one happen justifiably. There's no reason for Scott to get defensive if he asked a friend to help him here. Regardless of the attitudes in the 40's about being anything other than straight. The flash wouldn't have been one of those types, as a powered individual (the world has NEVER been kind to those that are different - which is a seminal issue with the X-Men) so the whole thing is pointless, and shows lacking skill in creative writing. If he doesn't understand what he should be writing, nevermind how to actually write it, I do wonder how he got the job. Similarity in politics, and ass-kissing can only get you so far.

"This is madness?" THIS. IS. HOLLYWOOD!! (boot to the chest)

10:53 Oh, I can explain that massive shift very easily: he met this version of Alan.

Sacrifice EVERYTHING for the sake of "THE MESSAGE"

You nailed it.

Funny enougth Hoover has been suggested to be gay and a transvestite by multiple Historians (seriously its a reoccuring joke in red dwarf) I half exspect it to be a "twist" at the end. Also Sheridan missed huge trick, the Specture in stories set before the JSA dispanding is written more in line with his golden age interpretation were he's got a strange all knowing stand offish air to him but is still very much human, the aggressive murder trigger happy version was a product of the character's revival. If he was smart instead of showing Specture as a corpse like and demonic figure, he'd lean into the more human and heroic version to build on his character and demonstrate how much a near century of superheroics has taken a toll on him and just how far he'd fallen.

@newtpondskipper

4 ай бұрын

You think this writer can do nuance?

"The right wants gay people to be miserable." Okay, no. You dropped the ball here.

@michaelnettles3059

3 ай бұрын

No that's true.

Alan Scott. I was mad New 52 erased JSA, I accepted the other Alan Scott from Earth 2, it wasn't the same character. I was pleased Doomsday Clock restored Alan and the JSA. BUT...I had misgivings about him coming out and THIS? iTS A STAIN on an 80 year legacy. Horrendus. If comics is doomd this justifies the demise.

I remember when preaching was supposed to make you feel good not annoyed and exhausted hearing the same thing over and over again

The current Alan Scott is a retcon and not really that character. Somebody decided 80 years in that Alan's been super gay all along. The premise behind the story is wrong. If they wanted a gay Green Lantern they should have made one instead of distorting an existing character.

@thatHARVguy

4 ай бұрын

I think it was Earth-2 Alan Scott they made gay. But they had to make Earth-Prime Alan Scott gay too. FFS

Out of garbage, a good story will come. I will love to read; a comic, short story, mange, or a novel you write. You have great ideas and plots. 😊

Just Some Guy...how is it that you're not an editor? You have a way of polishing a turd that makes it just presentable enough for display on a coffee table...

It's not about Scott being gay. Its about how they are handling him... abominable

@ellugerdelacruz2555

4 ай бұрын

Yet again, idiots like the writer of and everyone involved with this comic are proving the Right-wing right...

@thatHARVguy

4 ай бұрын

The woke projecting how they are the real istandphobe all along.

Don't be so hard on Alan. He's a straight man using all of his willpower to be gay. If he's gay for 10 years, he'll lose his weakness to wood.

It’s no wonder Tim Sheridan never mentioned the story during his announcement trailer - his story is as stale as watching bread turn moldy within the next few days, and no one in his/her right mind would spend their money reading this.

Ostander's run on spectre was one of the best in DC history and that specific chapetr is great. one of the best exmples of character growth and a writer putting his political opinion in a natural and non-grating way (and without breaking the character for story's sake)

@tkps

4 ай бұрын

Showing it's always been possible if done correctly. These modern types are quick to contradict themselves by saying 'well politics was always there' as well as 'inserting gay or other issues is not political'. Iger certainly said that. If they won't even accept they're inserting a political stance yet not telling a story nor developing characters beyond their personality is just their sexuality, how can they fix it? You can't fix what you won't acknowledge is broken.

The original Green Lantern’s powers weren’t strictly defined by his willpower like they were with Hal- his ring was magical in nature, and had nothing to do with the technological rings of Oa and the Guardians. Now, having said that, magic is usually intrinsically tied to one’s willpower in many depictions, so an argument could be made that, yes, saying Alan’s ring is based on willpower is *_technically_* correct.

I was under the impression that comic canon accurate Alan Scott's Green Lantern powers came from magic and had nothing to do with the Oa Guardians or the Lantern Core or the power of will. At least that's the way I remember from my comics I've collected.

The guy is not gay. His kids are jade and obsidian ( if i remember correctly)

I always thought "willpower" was a Silver Age addition, along with the Corps. The Original Recipe was magic, and therefore didn't have to make sense (has the writer mentioned the weakness to wood yet? I doubt he'd have the sense of humor...). As a gay guy, I find the wallowing in our collective victimhood offensive, but I've mentioned that before here. So, unlike the writer, I'll let it go.

The only logical explaination is that This is all an alternate timeline.

And now we know WHY modern comic writers (main stream) chose not to follow decades of continuity. This way they can tell the stories they WANT to tell and not the stories they are SUPPOSED to tell.

@tkps

4 ай бұрын

Why are the companies who are losing money hand over fist by allowing this still allowing it? Are they trying to make these companies worthless with the intention of auctioning off the IPs which can be worth money if in the right hands? Coz I can't come up with anything else. Other than sheer incompetence by the head of these companies (Marvel/DC) and in turn their parent companies for not kicking their arses. None of it makes any sense.

"They're just going to say that you're putting words and God's mouth, and of course they're not gonna like it, cause that's their job." ROFL. This kind of stuff is why I watch these videos.

Okay, "The docks" as a pickup spot for gay men gets my attention. "The docks" did not become a hookup spot for gay men until the 1970s, when they were abandoned because all the shipping was going to the container port in Elizabeth NJ. The southern tip of Manhattan, formerly a shipping hub, collapsed economically. That's why the WTC was built there. For awhile "the docks" were popular spot to meet other men for illict sex, sure, in the SEVENTIES, and only in New York. If you went down there during the era in which this series is set, you would find, you know, a bunch of people unloading ships.

Literally the lefty wall of text meme, in comic form...

Yknow maybe it would work as a concept if despite the prejudice he still stands strong in the face of it. Idk Ive seen Brooklyn 99 I can see someone like Holt be a green lantern. Just cause youre gay doesnt mean you cant exhibit stocism or stand up to prejudice instead of moping.

So true.

1:40 😂 when you put it that way it does seem ridiculous

nobody ever cared about the green flashlight anyways

So, let me get this straight. They brought in Jay Garrick Flash, one of the weaker flashes, but known for being the father figure everyone wanted. A stand up dude who notoriously is all about a person's character rather then color of skin, sexuality, or religion... And they try to get The Spectre, the living incarnation of God's Wraith, or cannonically has hated gays, and is effectively only bound by a corpse... to comfort... and support... a weakened green lantern who has yet to do actual super heroine. ...What the fuck is going on here?

0:06 oh FFS did the writer code healthkits in the WOLVERINE VIDEOGAME!?

Love all the stereotyping this comic is reinforcing. Gotta love the "representation"

It went from Willpower to Willie power.

Alan Scott is gay since Earth 2. Ans it's a terrible idea. This character deserve better.

The only thing worse than the comic are the gaspingly excited comments on Facebook about how great this piece of trash is. And if you don't agree-----then you're a bigot!

The problem with making a story to "own the chuds" is that there are no chuds left reading comics. At least definitely not from The Big 2

Started off talking about cups of tea, I'm listening.

As a fan of The Spectre, I'm disappointed that he was written badly in this series along with Alan. Thanks, JSG, I'm not going to collect this series.

7:35 considering it IS the spectre C while stupid is the only answer that has a chance of working. The spectre is not beaten by alan regardless so circumstances and is above the fifth amendment. I don’t like the comic and openly think Alan was better as a homophobe who wanted to love his kids regardless. But between the 3 options c was the only one that doesn’t get his body broken and his mind violated.

I honestly didnt realize Allen Scott needed will power since hes not part of the GL's as his ring is magic and not technology like the power rings of the Corp.

Actually this Green Lantern is not driven by willpower.

God bless JSG

Alan Scott Green Lantern is magic based and not based upon Will Power

Well his will power keeps the power in check. Well it should be out of control as it is power of starheart and magic based unless they recon that to.

He isnt gay. He has a wife and two kids. It doesn't own anyone to change that.

This encapsulates the core problem with all woke entertainment. It's about whining and feeling bad about your problems instead of overcoming them. It's a very female way of thinking about things. You don't have to do anything to fix your circumstances or grow, you just need to make yourself feel better by expressing your emotions.

And then they came for my favorite superhero… Hurts seeing Spec’ look so stupid here.

Ah , but you see . the author WILL's it to be . (Because OC/my self insert cant be affected by things like "established Continuity" and "Consencuencis that would logically happen but i dont like")

A "willpower for superpower" exchange would be an interesting tradeoff/twist

What a shocker that incompetent writers produce unbelievably stupid stories, it's almost as surprising as fire being hot or water being wet.

DAMN!... your voice changed... 😅Now this should be called: Just Some MAN!

The mistake you make is you think anyone cares about characters being gay. No one cares.

Is this just a modern comics problem with men who have determination and will? You can't even have your gay hero possess these traits? You have to make him an emotionally feminine gay stereotype instead of a badass who is also gay? So the book, like the rest of mainstream comics, can't stomach anything that looks like "toxic masculinity", even being shown by your gay hero?

Alan Scott was never gay. They only made him gay after new 52 on Earth 2. That Alan Scott had a better story than this new one.

I don't really know much about Alan Scott but... Are his powers based on willpower? I know he's magic and weak to wood but that's about it. He's got nothing to do with the emotional spectrum and stuff right?

@busterbackster1

4 ай бұрын

Aren't all the rings some sort of emotion

@k.m.sparks1190

4 ай бұрын

@@busterbackster1 depends. the green lanterns you're probably familiar with yes, but not the original green lantern ring (the one being discussed here). its more like magic based.

@busterbackster1

4 ай бұрын

​@@k.m.sparks1190I just know the like colour ones with red, pink, blue, green, whatever so ya I didn't know

@thatHARVguy

4 ай бұрын

@@busterbackster1 Which makes it more frustrating, as those who know nothing/little about the Golden Age GL, have certain expectations of a GL. The "writer" failed from the get-go.

aside from the bad writing, what the hell is with that insane amount of text?

Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, is my favorite superhero and I have a big collection. This guy even before he went woke was not even a top 5 Green Lantern character, don't care if he's the oldest. This sounds comically terrible though. These new writers don't understand good and bad and right and wrong, they can't write superhero stories without that knowledge