You might think that there's no need for these in modern life, but the corners of many shin-height coffee tables have proved that these are an absolute necessity.

@sirBrouwer

8 жыл бұрын

+Mister Babadook there are still in use only now they are made out of mostly plastics or composites. And much lighter.

@adrenochromejunkie

8 жыл бұрын

sirBrouwer I need to find one then.

@sirBrouwer

8 жыл бұрын

Mister Babadook just go to your local sports store. Or you could nick them off the feeds of your local SWAT team.

@adrenochromejunkie

8 жыл бұрын

sirBrouwer The second one sounds much more legal and safe.

@sirBrouwer

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly who would expect that to happen.

Great defense against greave-ous injury.

@TheDestrab

8 жыл бұрын

+Mirandu Kan That pun was *sheet*

@HellYeahCorp

8 жыл бұрын

+TheDestrab Your reply, though, was so bad you might need to *leg* it out of the country.

@TheDestrab

8 жыл бұрын

When I make jokes, I don't *plate* around

@HellYeahCorp

8 жыл бұрын

Still, it's going to need some *polishing* if you really want to make it *shin*.

@TheDestrab

8 жыл бұрын

I see, it seems I must use puns more *calf*-fully

That would had been an awesome Spartan Training "Wanna be a Man?" "We gonna beat your armor on you, snug fitting and custom."

@PsylomeAlpha

9 жыл бұрын

"now get ready for the codpiece."

@youlostabetwithsatanandnow8592

7 жыл бұрын

AHA!!! THATS HOW THEY GOT THEIR 8 PACKS INDENTED INTO THEIR ARMOR THIS SOUNDS LIKE A VERY PLAUSABLE EXPLENATION!!! P.S. TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK I'M JOKING- FUQ YOU I'M BEING SERIOUS.

@sophiejones7727

7 жыл бұрын

haha! they used bronze though, and bronze armor is cast not hammered.

@PsylomeAlpha

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, Sophie, they cast bronze and hammered it to harden and shape it instead of quenching it because it fractures (somewhat explosively) when its temperature changes that drastically.

Only a real man can literally beat and pound their armor on to fit... This guy definitely fits that category...

You hammering your own leg reminded me of this scene from Lawrence of Arabia: -It damn well 'urts! -Certainly it hurts. -Well, what's the trick then? -The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts.

@yaboybouttaturnisraelintoi7329

5 жыл бұрын

did somebody say jew?

@CraftQueenJr

5 жыл бұрын

What is this context?

@yaboybouttaturnisraelintoi7329

5 жыл бұрын

@@CraftQueenJr I'm not sure. Maybe a quote from the movie?

@TheGoodCrusader

5 жыл бұрын

@@Paulo-py4mm no you

@blueviper8622

5 жыл бұрын

The movie is Lawrence of Arabia

You'd think that many adventurers in Skyrim would benefit from such armor,,,

@GrandHighGamer

10 жыл бұрын

Skyrim does have greaves. What the hell armour are you wearing that just leaves your character's legs bare?

@matthew9256

10 жыл бұрын

Gradius Some lighter armours leave the legs bare.

@nukeclears

10 жыл бұрын

The sentence means getting married but whatever.

@Kronecraft

9 жыл бұрын

That would be a Poleyn not a greave but whatever...

@SyntheticFuture

9 жыл бұрын

No spears in Skyrim, so they are not that needed ;)

From experience fighting in armour in Australia in 40 degree C (~105 F), yes, you want something between your skin and the hot, Hot, HOT metal that is your armour...ouch, ouch, ouch! You suggested linings in Greek greaves....definitely a good idea. Thanks for sharing this with everyone. Thoroughly enjoy your videos!

@clonetf141

8 жыл бұрын

+Browntau why wear metal armour we have battle suits

@bigbrowntau

8 жыл бұрын

+clonetf141 Battle suits... perfect for hostile takeovers. :) ( I'm in a re-enactment society, and 21st century armour is hard to document as being available in the Middle Ages. ) Also, it's hard to get kevlar greaves.

@firecage7925

8 жыл бұрын

+Browntau .....Kevlar Greaves....that is bloody genius!

@KyleAnvilSlinger

7 жыл бұрын

Luckily the abos only got to the stone age, and forgot how to make fire.

@lostsanityreturned

7 жыл бұрын

Charming little critter ain't ya.

You made those at seventeen?! Holy crap! Those look so good! To some people, it's crude appearance hinders the aesthetics of the greave. I however, thinks it's crudeness makes it look realistic and battle worn! It looks so cool!!!

Is that how you make helmets too? :D

@clintcarpentier2424

8 жыл бұрын

+dIRECT0R Nope, that would have been too difficult. They would have had to have an apprentice sit still, while the master helmet maker would beat the metal around his head.

@dIRECTOR259

8 жыл бұрын

+Clint Carpentier I'm sure Lloyd figured it out, and all by himself too.

@napornik

8 жыл бұрын

+dIRECT0R Long time ago. xD

@youlostabetwithsatanandnow8592

7 жыл бұрын

Clint afterwards how would they tear the helmet off that bloody dead corpse? -child

@migfrarummet1907

7 жыл бұрын

I think he just strapped s piece of sheet metal on his head and then just headbutted a hammer!

A bowshot from her bowered eves A bolt of sunlight pierced the leaves And blazed upon the brazen greaves Of bold Sir Lancelot

@Soft_Ghost

5 жыл бұрын

, the weeb

"Arm Greaves" - Is that a bit like how the German word for "Glove" translates as "Hand-shoe"?

@CrusaderDeleters

8 жыл бұрын

Germans are weird.

@MarxismLilyism

8 жыл бұрын

As a German, I can confirm this

@SgtKOnyx

8 жыл бұрын

Unterseaboot

@Transgender-ProphetMohammed

8 жыл бұрын

wuts wrong being weird?

@MayhemX0X

8 жыл бұрын

+Baron Lynchhausen it's weird. that's what's wrong.

I'd imagine they would keep random brush from your legs as well. One could not count on fighting on well cleared ground, every time. Modern recreations naturally use modern cleared ground. This leaves out much of the effects of wild terrain.

Greaves in ancient times were not only a protection against the opponent. But als to protect the calves from your own shield banging against your lower legs while you fought.

@gordonlawrence3537

9 жыл бұрын

There is also a school of thought that they were also used for kicking but I'm not convinced.

@roadhunter72

9 жыл бұрын

Gordon Lawrence I agree, seems shin protection would not be the focus when you are trying to kick someone while wearing sandals

@sword7166

9 жыл бұрын

RoadHunter72 it depends on the style of martial arts as some do use the shin as a contact point, but I do agree that it was unlikely that the greeks were doing it for that purpose

@rexamillion8446

9 жыл бұрын

HM01 Maybe they just liked to break out into sudden games of football. (We really need to come up with a better name for American Football one of these days x.x)

@sword7166

9 жыл бұрын

Ben G it would be hilarious if you guys called it soccer

wow, I would totally trade my silly ballet school training for some of the experiences senor Lindybeige seems to have had, or not, I don't know. Love these videos.

I remember reading in the Strategikon a recomendation to craft wooden greaves for the infantry if not enough metal ones were available. Clearly a very important piece of armor.

Aren't footballers shin pads just modern greaves?

@SgtKOnyx

8 жыл бұрын

pretty much

@GladstnJones

7 жыл бұрын

That title, I wound give to Baseball leg guards ep.yimg.com/ay/sportsunlimited/under-armour-adult-pro-baseball-catcher-s-shin-guards-1.jpg

@Life4Metalcore

7 жыл бұрын

+GLADHATMAS I assume you mean catcher gear? Those go above the knees and they limit movement quite a bit. I would say shin guards are closer in terms of shape and use

@TheArbiterSux

7 жыл бұрын

Hockey Shinguards include the knee, but still allow for lots of mobility.

@praetoriantiberius529

7 жыл бұрын

Arbiter Sux Like the Roman Praetorian guards huh?

I've always wondered why the Greeks never had any kind of armoring for the top of the foot, like a medieval sabaton. I'd think that getting stabbed through the foot would be a pretty debilitating wound.

@sedoskovelha123

10 жыл бұрын

They need to run.

@dreconit6156

6 жыл бұрын

Achilles: I thought you could run in full plate, including sabatons.

@muhamadsayyidabidin3906

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreconit6156 they have in archaic period, but they ditched it along with the rest of limb protection (rerebrace, bracers, and chusses and ankle armor except greaves) in the classical period

@muhamadsayyidabidin3906

2 жыл бұрын

@Jotaro97 cost, maybe? Or because they change their fighting style from individual duel to formation. In battle formation, you don't need such heavy armor to protect yourself. Your comrades would provide cover for your sides and back. And heavy armor just make you less mobile, which is crucial in formation battle.

Some yes, and of course many from the later medieval period.

I forget the gauge of metal I used, and have no measuring device, but it is thick enough to do the job. Real armour is mostly quite thin and light. Yes, a spear could penetrate, I'm guessing, with a really good hit at just the right angle, but the spearman would probably spend his time and energy more profitably by attacking me somewhere else.

Been binge watching all things medieval in your channel, very interesting and entretaining. Thanks!

Lloyd has a bald spot? Evidence that he's a MIDDLE AGED MAN.

@censorduck

9 жыл бұрын

I'm only 27 and i'm balding :C

@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin

9 жыл бұрын

Aiar Uther You're a middle aged man.

@VeritasEtAequitas

9 жыл бұрын

Usammity My friend was almost bald when he was about 20.

@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin

9 жыл бұрын

FieroGT42 He's a middle aged man.

@SpySappingMyKeyboard

9 жыл бұрын

Usammity Bald baby?

metal armour was expensive, I suspect LOTS of stout leather coverings, and, as you point out, relatively thin iron pieces would readily rust away. They'd also be very tempting to recycle when, in peacetime, a person needed a pot.

Yes, some did, but we don't know how common they were. We have more finds of other leg armour (thigh and foot) for some places and periods, suggesting that greaves are not the commonest leg armour, and yet they seem to be by far the most common in the art.

Just wanted to say that your arms and armor videos are without a doubt my favorite videos on the whole of youtube. I recommend them to all my friends, and have used them to settle debates more than once. Thanks, and keep it up!

I thought vambraces were braces for vampires. Guess not.

I am jealous of this man's skill set

@utubenoobie01

8 жыл бұрын

He has a particular set of skills!

They can't protect you from a well thrown pommel though.

@eelitanskanen8836

8 жыл бұрын

Nothing can protect you from pommels.

@XyatuX

8 жыл бұрын

I wonder what would happen if two thrown pommels hit each other mid-air...

@jakebaumfalk3965

8 жыл бұрын

+XyatuX It would create a rift in space and time, destroying the known universe in 1.4 nanoseconds.

@arturmizuno

8 жыл бұрын

*END HIM RIGHTLY*

@arturmizuno

8 жыл бұрын

pommels are the medieval nokias

Place ball of foot in the wide end and move it down. The slit in the back only has to open wide enough to enable you to slide the thinnest part of your foot through, at an angle (a diagonal from behind/under the protruding ankle bone to in front of the heel). Once the foot is through, let go. Very quick.

I prefer to use them as weapons. They deal greavous injuries.

I remember finding a pair of WWII American putees when I was a kid. I think maybe I bought them in a garage sale. I put them on and played "army" wearing them. I remember feeling invulnerable to briars and any sort of sharp stuff when I wore them. I guess they are descendants of greaves. I don't think any modern soldier wears them now but I always thought soldiers looked smart wearing puttees.

No snakes at all in Ireland, and only four types in Britain, and only one that it is poisonous (the adder), and it is very rare that anyone dies from its bite, and they are not aggressive. Pretty much the only way to get bitten is to tread on one accidentally.

3,300 to 8. Lindy has about the best like/dislike ratio I've seen

@ottopike737

7 жыл бұрын

Unless you have almost no views.

03:40 "That's one of it's principle purposes of course, when you're standing in a line with your spear, and everyone else is poking each other with... sharp pointy things." Lol

Every time I watch this guy's videos I get the urge to play Stronghold Crusader.

@seknight2835

6 жыл бұрын

Duke Nukem the pikemen also wear greaves!

Hahaha this guy... Such a fucking badass xD

Their shields came very low, and their tactic was to get stuck in quickly, and not hang about prodding with a spear. Auxiliaries on the other hand...

I came back here after seeing Knyght Errant's recent video about greaves' misconception. He had his leg cast before, so the piece would be hammered on a model, not him. That seems less painful XD

Thanks for the info, Really nice photo's in the background.

I made butterknives and he made greaves, eh.

They are mirror images of each other, so yes, they fit a specific leg.

We have just one surviving iron cuirass. In some ways iron is easier to work because pieces of it can be welded together very effectively. On the other hand, it can be hard to get a large 'bloom' of iron for large plates. They managed it often enough with other things when they needed to, though. An absence of evidence is not evidence for absence. Iron greaves were possible, and I wouldn't expect them to survive.

I love your channel! Very informative, entertaining, and consistent. I hope that you continue to make videos for some time to come. Can I request a video about the realities of armor in RPG's? I know you've touched on it some, but I would love to see a video dedicated to that.

I was in the metal workshop on my own when I used my legs as an anvil.

I've forgotten most. One made a copper bowl, another a cast bronze skull, another made parts for his motorcycle...

It's amazing how little the design has changed over the millenia. Simple and effective. I've got a pair of almost the exact same design except made with modern plastic as protection against snake bites.

I may one day do a vid about donning a full panoply. Very easy to and quick to don.

You are right, it is interesting that greaves apparantly dropped from use until full plate appeared.

Greaves found at Kunzig were Iron, dating to the 3rd century AD, they were a different shape than the bronze ones. Ofc all the Greek ones date much earlier. A find at Vindolanda was linen padding for a greave. Dates c. 1st century AD.

So, would a proper set of greaves stop... An arrow to the knee?

@poopdump2

9 жыл бұрын

yup. woulda been a huge success in skyrim.

@CptCudlScoops

9 жыл бұрын

Then you could be an adventurer again!

The mail wouldn't breathe so well, and moisture might get trapped on the inside, and it would be difficult to clean. Mail that doesn't flap around is silent anyway. I think they would rather have had the options of showing off their shiny kit, and mixing and matching layers.

The entire length of the greaves could had a sheet of leather and the sewn edges at the top/bottom ridge is where it was cuffed over. Would help with cooling and sweat too.

Congrats on your 50th weapon/armour/warfare video! Looking forward for the next 50. =)

fitting those greaves must have been a-greave-ing

I have Lindy hopped in them. There was a reincarnation themed party and I went as Alexander the Great.

Just tried that, and I was the second hit! The trousers spoil the look, though, but it was not a warm day.

I said it before,. and I'll say it again: this guy is on my list of 'most interesting people to invite to a dinner party'. Fascinating stuff.

"Bracer" protects the wrist (from word bracelet), and bracers weren't really used in ancient times, it's a movie thing, since they would've been useless with soldiers using a cuirass but no other arm guards. Shield was used to protect arms. Vambrace (no 'r' at the end) is a part of a late medieval plate armour, which covers all the parts of the body, vambrace covers the forearm, and rerebrace covers the upper arm. Couter protects the elbow, pauldron the shoulder and gauntlet of course the hand.

I found your hoplite image as well. Well done, strategos.

Your channel might be very useful for ASoIAF readers, thank you.

Strange how the ancient world had plate armour but this was lost until the renaissance took it up again with full harness; even though mail is FAR more tricky to make.

@tiamat2009yt

9 жыл бұрын

I guess it was to counter the weapons used by the ancient aliens

@89tonstar

9 жыл бұрын

REnaissance? Full plate armor was around at the end of the 14th century and could have been in full use much earlier. PLate armor never went out of style completely. Helmets and shoulder guards are all forms of plate armor. Maille was just a effective at the time as plate armor could have been.

It depends on whether it is designed with lames (overlapping plates) or not. Some pauldrons are made to cover not only the shoulders, but also part of the chest, whilst still providing excellent freedom of motion. The Armour of Sir Thomas Sackville is a fine example. The issue with movies are that they are always in budget. To create Armour with the same intricacies and laminar design, can cost the entire film budget if they were to put half the main characters in them

People sometimes wear snake chaps in the southern swamps here. You've given me an idea to craft some with pvc pipe and a heat gun for briar, poison ivy, and snakes. Weird that more people don't use those more. I don't know if you have pit vipers in the uk but they're no joke. Getting bit once was enough to make me look. They're the natural equivalent of landmines.

I have both heard it and re[a]d it.

I had one afternoon to finish them, and I was alone in the metal workshop.

Depends when/where/who you talk to and the particular make up of the part. The names for the various peices differs alot. Greaves are some times called shinbalds,

As always, very good TYVM

I have never heard that either. I must hang out with a good crowd since my friends have always called them vambraces...

Great videos as usual, informative and funny.

I'm grieved to watch this

Greaves were made of metal and lined with a soft felt padding. ... Ancient Greek and Roman soldiers woregreaves, and they're mentioned in ancient literature, including Homer's Iliad. Medieval European warriors used them too, until some time during the 9th century. The word stems from the Arabic gaurab, "stocking."

That is called a manica in latin. It may be made of iron, bronze or boiled leather lamellas, chainmail, scale armour or padded cloth. It covered gladiators right arm, since left was covered with shield (but retiarius wore it on left arm, because he had no shield). Also Roman legionaries wore manicae on the campaigns of emperor Trajan(us) in Dacia, for protection against Dacian falxes (forward-curved swords), which could hit behind shield. Legionaries also wore greaves on Dacian campaign.

9 AP in RQ, so a spearman with no damage bonus would need an impale or critical hit to take out a leg.

Do people really use the term "arm greaves"? That hurts my brain.

@RogaineForEwoks

9 жыл бұрын

"It's cold out kids. Put your hand socks on!" "Uh, you mean gloves?"

@NeverisQuiteEnough

9 жыл бұрын

RogaineForEwoks the german word for gloves is Handschuh, literal translation Hand Shoe.

@haijyvelho

9 жыл бұрын

RogaineForEwoks 10/10, made me laugh.

@FurryAminal

9 жыл бұрын

Greaveous, isn't it.....

@KairuHakubi

5 жыл бұрын

The problem is if you say bracers or vambraces or gauntlets you'll get a gaggle of nerds appearing to correct you on your terminology, at least a few of which claiming no such armor ever existed.

I've already done one. Hieropolis.

You remind me so much of my awesome uncle - in most ways XD

U made greaves in metal shops in school? Where do you live/school you went to so I can go there?

@SgtKOnyx

8 жыл бұрын

Jolly old England

@SgtKOnyx

8 жыл бұрын

Jolly old England

@anonincognito617

3 жыл бұрын

The school probably had an armoury too.

Well, if you actually go down to a lot of armour variations within similar types, you'll almost always realize that there is a significantly large influence with fashion. Hence why some Roman hamatas don't have shoulder flaps, but appear around the same period as ones that did (there was really no reason not to have them from a protective standpoint). Same with the usage of squamata and hamata and segmentata within the legions all at the same time, and variations appeared in even the same unit.

Hey lindybeige, I'm loving your videos. Could you please make a point about shoulderpads/plates? Would quite enjoy seeing that.

I also made my own greaves (Video response), i did it by: Placing metal on shin and noticing where i had to form it more, forming it on the anvil, back on the leg etc...

For a classic antiquity video game, I recommend Gladiator Begins for the Sony PSP handheld. You play as a gladiator slave, entertaining the Roman spectators in the arenas of 180 AD by hacking other slaves (and wild nasty animals) to bits or getting butchered yourself. The trick to the game is to smash away your opponent's armor and/or hit him in areas not protected by armor. That means bashing away his helmet, shield, or arm or leg protectors to get at meat and bone underneath. Loved that game!

I fuckin love all these videos man.

Thanks, you're right, I wasn't sure!

thanks for the reply !

Kind of like the leather gaiters I use for fieldwork. Protected me from accidental machete cuts a couple of times! (We use them for protection against the possibility of snake bites)

Would one on Moghul armour do? It's pretty much the same.

I can't see these slowing you down any worse than having your leg split open by the enemy :)

I'm sure it was it's purpose, just as the muscle-shaped chest pieces and so on (greaves also were often shaped to reflect muscles).

Excellent workmanship. -- and for a seventeen year old ! Thanks for sharing your knowlegde. Pardon my ignorance, and I know this is off topic, but could you do a vid on how bronze age people manufactured 20 foot long spears. I am considering making one , and the thought of using pine dowel from a hardware store makes me sick.

@CraftQueenJr

5 жыл бұрын

Pugs Rock I want to know too. I find the making things videos to be some of the best.

This depends a little bit on the type of armour and the armour part. Usually, it's somewhere between 1mm (feet) and 3mm (center torso). As far as I know, there are tournament helmets that have up to 10mm in the front, but that's not something you would walk into battle with. So armour for fighting weighted about 20 to 30kg.

Most brits are like him LOL 'its goin to hurt my leg but oh well its quicker and it will be the shape of my leg'. It also got me thinking Why dont modern day soldiers have a modern equivalent? Just a thought

@thomassayles3699

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@saxonsoldier67

8 жыл бұрын

+thomas sayles We do. High Density plastic or ceramic over Kevlar. However, none are rated to stop a direct hit of a high velocity rifle round. The main use is to prevent injury of running into obstacles. Secondary use would be to stop shrapnel or pistol rounds. We run into tough vegetation or furniture much more frequently than high speed projectiles. Within 20 years, I believe that full suits of armor will return to the modern battlefield, albeit will be powered armor. Full protection from AK 47 rounds from head to toe. Expensive? Somewhere close to what an average house costs in the U.S. Thereafter, combat units will be smaller in number of personnel with a huge use of drones/robots.

@DaisiesTC

8 жыл бұрын

+saxonsoldier67 Protection from shrapnel and debris is actually the primary use for almost all of a soldier's body protection (with the exceptions of heavier body armors that are only used in specialized situations, but protect from a larger number of threats). Most of it can't stop a bullet (especially from rifles) for shit, but will protect your form shrapnel and debris.

That's cool that u got a workshop

Slide them on like a big metal sock, really. The metal is springy enough that you can pull it apart a little bit and slip your foot in through the top and it'll clamp down on your leg. Much later, when they made greaves for plate armour that enclosed the entire lower-leg, they'd close it with either latches or leather straps or sometimes a nut-and-bolt configuration.

There are even findings of bronze foot plates hammered into the shape of an actual foot, with toes and everything.

You wore your greaves and hammered them to shape lmao!

thanks for sharing your insight as always im a new subscriber

Great vid! Its awesome that you got to do metalwork at school, I would have loved to do that, but alas I think health and safety had ruined that one for me.

Way to be a sport chief!

This video about the leg vambraces was very interesting! Can you do one on the arm greaves?

well first off great video. second your right the greeks did have eather leather or linen depending on which was more available to a city- state at the time. btw the reason that greaves arent as common at the time was cost ie in almost all greek city- states hoplites had to buy their own armour ovestly the shield was the first thing they bought then the helmet, body armour & greaves was the last bit of armour on the list.Except in Sparta where the City-state issued full armour kits to hoplites

Greaves were probably less common because of the material. Today sheet metal is mass produced with consistent quality by gigantic machines that work without pause for weeks at a time. So even though it was easy for you starting with that sheet of metal, how would that sheet of metal have been made from the raw materials? Especially such a wide and even piece? One of America's main lend-lease products in WWII was high grade sheet-metal: steel for stamping gun-parts, brass for firearm cartridges.