I liked the theory, there was only one thing that I kept thinking about. Isn't granny a y' know granny? As you stated it's weird for the craftsman to refer to his wife as "my old lady". I've never heard a couple call each other that, what I have heard however is people call their parents "my old man" for example. So doesn't it make more sense if granny is the craftsman's mother and (since they don't have a real name let's just go with Anju and Corg's) grandmother? Also makes more sense to call your grandmother an old hag and your grandson a lazy bum and a good for nothing fool, right?

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! This is something I hadn't really questioned before, although it is a possibility. I was going off of what the Zelda Encyclopedia says, and every other source I checked (Zeldapedia, Zelda Dungeon, etc.) was in agreement that Granny was the Master Craftsman's wife. Ichiro, one of the carpenters, also hints at Granny's Potion Shop being where the Master Craftsman lives. And I'd also have to ask: if Granny is not the mother of Grog, then who is the mother he references in present tense? For simplicity's sake, I'll assert that Granny having been the Master Craftsman's wife is just another part of my theory, haha.

@rareosts5752

2 жыл бұрын

"Old Lady" was a term for "wife" or even "girlfriend" that was slightly popular in the United States during the sixties and seventies, but it's rarely used now. Having an older man like the Carpenter use a term from that era for his wife is something a game developer (or translator) from the nineties might do. Believe it or not, that term was actually meant as one of endearment, even though it does sound insulting. Does this mean the carpenter still views the potion lady as his partner, despite the divorce? Or are they still married? I don't know, but I got one other thing: Granny's pet is not a cat, exactly, it's a tiny tiger. A reference to a real life predator in Oot, but where else do we see a real life predator? The famously phony looking sprite of the shark in the old man's Lake Hyrule Lab. Merriam/Webster defines a Tiger as a "a fierce, daring, or aggressive person or quality" also "someone or something (such as a situation) that is formidable or impossible to control" It defines Shark as "a rapacious crafty person who takes advantage of others" and, fittingly, " one who excels greatly especially in a particular field"

@leetfukk

2 жыл бұрын

@@rareosts5752 It's still common for bikers and other "tough guys" like the carpenter to still use the term today, but you're right it's usually the older ones

@annikarasmussen6616

2 жыл бұрын

@@rareosts5752 old lady is still used by many who's circles intersect with criminals, biker gangs, or motorcycle enthusiasts in general

@ezrat4248

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard both

It's quite common for married couples to lovingly call each other "Old Man" and "Old Lady," in my experience. Still, I get the same feeling, about the family.

@harshal1153

2 жыл бұрын

It’s also a term to refer to parents

@RyuuKageDesu

2 жыл бұрын

@@harshal1153 I've seen that too, but far less often. From my own experience, of course.

@stpidstuff

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyuuKageDesu it must depend on where you live, because I've seen the exact opposite.

@RyuuKageDesu

2 жыл бұрын

@@stpidstuff Most likely.

@UnderScoredd

2 жыл бұрын

It is true it can refer to your S/O (yes, indeed a term of endearment.) as well as your parents. This is true in other cultures as well. Mexican couples may refer to each other as viejo (old man) or vieja (old lady) in a loving way. It might be an old school thing, but definitely is a thing.

I always liked this character. It’s like why’ll the hero is out on an epic quest to save the world there’s this example of a mundane broken family. It reveals a dark reality not even the hero could fix.

Anyone else notice the Master Craftsman has tiger printed shorts? Almost identical to Granny's pet pygmy tiger..

"His workers who will never betray him" Until they get tired of carpentry and decide to become thieves instead.

>"loyal workers who will never betray him" Didn't they run off because they water to be part of/work with the gerudo? Lol

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, although they definitely learned their lesson after that!

I figured that the woman who’s always cooking in the carpenters’ house was the master carpenter’s wife, since they look much closer in age and live together. And then Granny was, in fact, a granny.

I can think of only one issue with this theory, granny is a term for "grandmother" - meaning that she''s the mother of the master craftsman and the grandmother of the master craftsman's children (his son and daughter), unless you can explain Granny's (potion shopkeeper) apparent age as I think she's older than the master carpenter.

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

That's a fair point to bring up, but her name "Granny" is simply in reference to her business. She and the Master Craftsman are confirmed to be spouses in the Zelda Encyclopedia.

@nickjayyoung7662

2 жыл бұрын

@@Retroatron Should have brought that up in the video, but I personally don't believe this particular theory. Why is the name Granny only referring to her shop? Edit: Also, the Zelda Encyclopedia may not be factual. Try to find other sources that mention Granny and the Master Craftsman being married.

@harshal1153

2 жыл бұрын

@@Retroatron I believe that’s likely an error by the encyclopedia, which has a ton. When the craftsman says “my old lady”, he could be referring to granny as his mother, because “my old man/lady” is commonly used to refer to parents. Also, granny is Anju’s grandmother in Majora, so they probably have a similar relationship in Ocarina, given that their ages are about the same between the counterparts in Termina.

@wearywanderer1912

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickjayyoung7662 To me the carpenter wife was the fat lady from the first Kakariko house.

@jerrygarrison9347

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickjayyoung7662 just a theory and a well done one as well. Chill guy

There was a soap opera in Ocarina of Time all along! Seriously though, I had no idea any of them accept the craftsman and his son were ever related. I guess I just wasn’t paying attention. Great theory as always! And as a side note, I always love the Zelda remixes in these videos. Great choices for music!

Maybe his mother wanted him to be a potion master, and his father wanted him to be a master carpenter, but obviously, he couldn't do both, preferring to take care of Cuccos. finally, all he left behind was a brand-new saw, and a last-ditch cure, and the mushrooms his mother never found. This is a story about the failed parent's and failed education...

I feel like this is a stretch, but interesting. My Dad always called my Mom "my ol' lady" growing up. Depending on where you are, that ohrase can mean something different. I'm used to hearing it used spousally.

@thatonezeldaguy250

2 жыл бұрын

I see it alot in southern states

IIRC, "Old Lady" is a moderately old-timey casual phrase that refers to one's wife, and isn't generally considered insulting, excepting maybe if you call her that to her face.

My mind almost exploded from how every single thing you said was connected to everything over and over again. Awesome theory, awesome video as always. Thank you!

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it, Daniel! Appreciate the comment.

I'm rather intrigued by your Anju/Cucco Lady theory promise. I'm looking forward to it!

I swear this channel gets bigger and bigger every time a new vid comes out. Keep it up homie, this is great

Bro...I never looked too deep into this family. Like I knew they was a family but not that any of this was in the realm of possibility. You have officially blown my mind with this, I can never look at this family the same again...

I've been excited for this since your teaser post!! My siblings and I always loved looking at the little cat

You have have grown up in the city. In the city "my old lady" is an insult and that's because city folk use it to refer to their mothers or generally women older than them. In the country "my old lady" does refer to one's wife but is actually a term of endearment. I grow mostly in the city myself but my grandpa is a country boy and taught some terminology. By taught I mean he talks like that and I just learned from listening. My gf is also a country girl and confirms the terminology. When comes to the relationship between these 3 family members, the dad is a carpenter and the mom is a doctor. A carpenter will always see his son as "lazy" because there is no work more physically taxing than construction. Doctors, mainly ones that make medicine rather just subscribing and administering medical attention, always view other people as fools and idiots because of course they aren't going to be as smart as a doctor. So I always believed that they were strict and hard on their son. Putting a heavy burden of expectations on him and he rejected and resented them for their lack of actual parenting skills. Ever notice how you'd never know the Cuckoo lady is the sister if she hadn't said anything about it herself. The Carpenter and Granny only speak ill of their son but nothing at all about even having a daughter or a second child at all? I doubt Granny and the Carpenter are divorced but it's entirely possible the marriage is strained. Things like this aren't uncommon in the real world and typically is a result of the parents putting too much pressure on their kids. If you look up the term "tiger mom", it suddenly feels like the fur pattern of Granny's cat makes sense. You're theory was enjoyable to watch and the idea that Granny having an affair with the Lake Scientist is something I thought of before

@WintrBorn

2 жыл бұрын

I have to slightly disagree with a bit of this - if the man is calling his woman his “ole lady”, she’s his ride or die, and has his back. That isn’t the sign of a relationship that’s having issues.

@RandomLord1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@WintrBorn I'll add to that. I've never seen them talk shit about each other

So refreshing to see you tackle theories no one else has done and do an outstanding job completing them as well! I keep saying it but I cant get enough of your videos this one was way to short but good none the less! Keep up the good work my man!

isn't it more likely that, she's the Grandma? In Kakariko, in the House of the carpenters, there's another lady - which could be Mutoh's Wife and the Mother of Anju and Grog? maybe there isn't even a complete family, because it's just a game and we as fans, just theorize? 🤔😉

Wow what a great theory. This never would've even crossed my mind and I've never even heard of this one. Great job!

Dude... I absolutely love your Zelda theories. I'm going to be sticking around for a long time. Keep these things rolling.

I laughed, I cried, I learned. Great video!

Hearing "divorce settlement" be spoken in a Zelda video gave me a good laugh. Theory is new headcanon though for sure lol

that granny could be related to sheikah as the scientist in lake hylia reminds me of the sheikah scientist from breath of the wild.

I never looked that close at the Lake Scientist. Now I am terrified.

Very interesting Theory. I enjoyed it. Keep them coming

@Retroatron

Жыл бұрын

For sure, thanks Kevin!

I got oot as a gift when i was 8yo and it compleatly chanced my mind and my character and to find out about this 24 years later Is amazing. It makes total sence and it really made my day, thank you man!!

"Prepare for your childhood to be utterly ruined." Too late for that.

Great theory 👍 better than some movie plots 🍿🎥

Awesome video bro!

I love ur theory’s btw, there the most original ones that I’ve seen that actually makes sense

Wow you're right this is amazing

Just subbed, You have potential to be a big content creator man. Keep up the good work!

May be a cultural thing, but in the south it's pretty common to use "my old man/my old lady" to refer to their spouse as a term of endearment, especially if they have children. Same energy as calling your wife "Mama" or your husband "Papa", but with a bit more teasing.

Cheating is just a too common cliche. I would like to think that the Granny and Master Carpenter drifted apart and they weren't earning enough. Granny grew to resent her family because she was never able to earn enough by herself for her family to live off of. The Master Carpenter was always away but because he had a wife and kids to support, he wasn't as free as he wanted to be.

Everyone is so petty on this side mission 😂 This was hilarious

I love all these theories and the last ones about the Shadow clan and bongo bongo made so much sense! I never really payed much attention to granny but I guess this gives her a "great" reputation now. 😂 By the way where do you find your remastered songs from ocarina of time? I absolutely love them, especially the potion shop song! Edit: wait nvm in the description

As someone who came from a very dysfunctional family, I don't think they are necessarily divorced, I believe they are just very distant from each other. I also think that granny knew her son had some kind of illness or something and her son knew he could be saved if he brought the mushroom to her, that's why she says that the potion won't be of any use for a monster (knewing he went to the forest and transformed into a Stalfos). Maybe one could argue their children's health could be the source of the disagreement, and the son being fragile and not able to work as his father wished was the source of father and son hate, while his mother not letting him go to the forest to pursue the cure was the source of hate between the two. You see she calls him stupid many times knowing what he've done. I think in the end she even cared for him a little.

Oh oh it hurts and its beautiful...

A very convincing theory... however, a small counterpoint: If Granny was willing to have a fling with someone who looks like THAT... something tells me she had a lot more cause to hate her husband than just feeling a little neglected.

@caelxzs

2 жыл бұрын

Who's to say he didn't look better before he was an old man 👀 yknow..

@lnsflare1

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, she's allegedly blind as a bat.

@generalbutterscotch4887

2 жыл бұрын

@@lnsflare1 True, but unless she's been blind her whole life, you'd think the affair would have happened while she was young enough for the scientist to be attracted to her... and while you could make the same case for the scientist himself, I don't think youth would have done much for that hideous mouth lmao

My question though is why are they so strange looking both the mother and father look slightly different and the son seems to have inherited a maximum amount of difference he barely looks human Which makes me think perhaps the son was a magical experiment

4:19 cursed image

Really cool video, but one thing. Old lady is most definitely used to refer to your S/O (yes, indeed a term of endearment.) and as well as your parents. This is true in other cultures as well. Mexican couples may refer to each other as viejo (old man) or vieja (old lady) in a loving way. It might be an old school thing, but definitely is a thing.

It's been a while since someone bent me over and ruined my childhood

I gotta say, you're actually the best Zeldatuber in my opinion - this theory video of yours actually ended up bringing a tear to my eye. Though that's more so because I'm a workaholic and I want to marry someone who's got the same career as I do. See this is why I think marrying someone in the same field is the most sensible thing to do... otherwise you run the risk of a cheating spouse.

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the comment, Tian. I know things will work out for you, wish you the best!

Old lady is a term of endearment in the south, or more of a blue collar type job. Or, it could be a mistranslation to previous wife. I remember the carpenter sharing quarters with a woman at night in the village. (Young link.)

"could granny have cheated?!?!?" Me : 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I like it!

This got so dark out of nowhere. I like this theory 🤔

Good job buddy

Granny has a pet tiger...and what print is the Master Carpenter wearing on his pants?

My Old lady IS a common way for a older man to call his wife.

Retro: "Prepare for your childhood to be utterly ruined" Me: I've been watching MatPat for years, good luck

@lnsflare1

2 жыл бұрын

MatPat: Mathematic Proof That Granny Cheated On Her Husband With Sonic The Hedgehog!

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

But MatPat is practically wrong on almost... everything

Great video. Keep it up and you’ll be up there with bandit and zeltik

The tea is HOT lol

I think he ran away I don't think he turned into a stalfos because we never see one in the forest where he was.

You need more viewers

lots of working class husbands call their wives "ol' lady"

I liked this theory. It was fleshed out, and it is as least pretty fun consider regardless of validity.

Yeah I live in the south and I can say that at least HERE it's quite common to call a loved one old man or old lady. Though I find that it's your spouse the way it's pronounced you'd usually leave out the d. For example my wife is my ol lady.

Things got REAL!!

Bravo, bravo. 👏

But, that's just a theory. A GAME THEOR -- Oh wait, wrong channel.

I’m not gonna be late to this one!

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

My man! Congratulations on winning this video's fastest comment award 🏆

I like this theory...although tbh when i watched the opening i was expecting you to say she was a murderer or something like that. 🤣🤣🤣

It's a drug dealer family. This was back when real Crystal Meth was around. Those days are gone and this Hyrule is gone.

I've got a confession to make... I'm your fool

i see no flaw on this theory. its...actually jaw dropping.

I feel like knowing the Japanese behind the translated “granny” and “my old lady” would clear up a lot of the confusion 😅 wish I could contribute more on that front, if anyone knows the Japanese lines and can translate I know I would appreciate it 🙏

Wow this is deep lol

Can you do the desert from twilight princess and the place that the yeti lives.

@Retroatron

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to cover those at some point! Twilight Princess is my all time favorite game, and those areas are really intriguing.

😆

Lmao

old lady is a term for gf/wife, not demeaning

Using the ending cut scene is pointless for any theory because Granny along with all the other people behind counters were rendered with out a lower body and couldn't be grouped together with any character that did have a lower body rendered. In addition her reused sprite was in a wheelchair so they wouldn't have to give her legs

It's an American thing, boomers especially refer to wives as "old lady"s. Heh, my grandpa used to refer to his first wife and my grandma would get so mad at him because he was referring to her, his first and only wife.

Champ!!

Is wench another word for prostitute? In the _Song Of Ice And Fire_ book series, aka Game Of Thrones, Jaime Lannister frequently calls Brienne "wench" despite knowing that she is a virgin. This is a story in which prostitution features heavily, and I can't think of any other character using that word to refer to actual prostitutes (Tyrion and Tywin prefer to use "whore" instead). So, I'm not too sure about that. It may just be a derogatory term applied to women in general.

@Lyladagger02

2 жыл бұрын

That's the point. Wench is just another way of calling a woman a whore or a hoe. It's the same. An insult aimed at sexually.

this is hilarious

Geez! You connected a lot of dots I didn't know were supposed to be connected. 😳 I love how it feels like a coherent story too. By the way, do you have an email or some socials? I've been meaning to ask you a question.

@Retroatron

Жыл бұрын

Apologies for the extremely late response, been meaning to respond! I finally created an email and added it under my channel's "About" page.

@TheBreadPirate

Жыл бұрын

@@Retroatron Sweet! I'll be sure to check it out.

or we go with my idea and there both just terrible parents. father works all the time. no time for his son and granny was already to old to be a good mother. result a child that feels unwanted

this is so fucking funny

Small note, "Old Lady" that Mutoh of the carpenters mentions is not Granny. The house near the box where you find the Cucuo in just at the base of stairs leading to Death Mountain that is his house, his wife is the rather large red haired woman in that house the one who often is cooking. Granny is literally his mom, I mean I don't judge Young old relationships, my dad was dating someone 10 years older than me and I was in my20s at the time he turns 60 this month. But look at her and tell me she isn't as old as Professor Farnsworth in Futurama. Plus "Old lady" when talking about your wife is a term of endearment, just as "Old man" if for the husband. You never heard couples call each other that? I have.

Fuck, dude

lol but what is actual Japanese translation ?

I love how there are 100 other videos about this theory.

objection! speculation.

I like the theory and maybe they were divorced but one element of your theory is definitely wrong. You cannot make the point about him referring to her as his "old lady." It does not support your theory because in the south of the United States, in places such as Tennessee and Alabama and probably a few other places, there are minority groups of hick people who do use the term. "old lady." It refers to their wife and is not supposed to be derogatory. I don't like the usage of the term and I think most ppl around me in TN do t say it but I have met a fair amount of ppl in my life who regularly use this to refer to a wife. Women here also refer to their husband as "old man." You are not the only KZreadr to bring this term up and use similar reasoning to imply a character could not have been close to another character bc of this term but that is false bc it is used to refer to a significant other and the couples I know who use it are lifer those who don't divorce and often will nitpick or say sexist stuff to each other and to them it is all in good fun bc the relationship, in spite of this is not toxic. But there are trashy ppl who battle addiction etc who also use these terms and with them it might be more negative but the person is still a significant other that they either are with or they keep going back to. I am unsure I understand why sineine would say that a person is their old lady if it refers to an ex. Maybe I missed a context clue there but I believe this is most likely you being unfamiliar. We don't know all the slang from every part of the world and whoever made the translation wanted the family to seem more hick and obviously used these terms, but in the real world it does mean wife and is not usually meant as a bad thing and it is not something I have heard to refer to an ex.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

Also: how does he know that the old lady there is actually his mother ? Do we know they are blood related at all for real? And what does the Japanese text and manuals (THE ACTUAL CANON) say?

@jamesaaronslayton2463

2 жыл бұрын

Unsure I never looked into the family and the context clues of how he presented this, it did not seem to be a serious theory. It came across more like speculation that he dramatically told in a comedic way but I stand by the point of "old lady" being irrelevant and actually is a counterpoint to what he is saying as it absolutely is used in alerts if the United States to refer to a wife and usually one who is a lifer.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesaaronslayton2463 yeah, that too...