Grand Prix Turin 2020 Men's Foil Final MASSIALAS USA vs MEINHARDT USA

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  • @ketchup0701
    @ketchup07014 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see people doing their job properly. I understand that not many people watch this sport, but if we put in just a little more effort to make sure the video does not fail a simple quality check, maybe more people would pick up on it. Media is a very powerful tool, let us use it correctly. It is not the first time that the audio is out of sync, the video quality is often pretty bad, and many times the camera is shaking. Replay is random, some very important actions dont get a replay, other times we miss actions because the previous simultaneous attack gets replayed in slowmo for the second time. Plus it would be amazing if the commentators would make an effort to explain each action so that people can learn the sport. It is boring and in my opinion disrespectful to chat about meaningless fun-facts instead of trying to understand and explain the mind-games going on on the piste between the two fencers.

  • @ben1147

    @ben1147

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for expressing my frustrations so succinctly

  • @psibert

    @psibert

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree with the technical quality and the need for replays. It is difficult, because that is expensive technology and fencing is not a big money sport. David King is not a fencer as such and Bruce Dickinson is the vocalist with Iron Maiden. Bruce was a really decent foilist is his day top 10 in GBR. But yes, more technical description would have been good here. You cannot describe the basic of the weapon each time, but some idea of the though processes of the fencers helps. Opening and closing distance to provoke reactions form each other. Anticipating the other fencer's action to exploit an opening etc. At the same time it is interesting to the fun facts are actually fun to the fencers who are watching.

  • @JuniorlikesTechno

    @JuniorlikesTechno

    2 жыл бұрын

    SAY IT LOUDER MY FRIEND

  • @russwarhammergateway152
    @russwarhammergateway1524 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing the video, however the sound is out of sync by over 1 second... all sounds are before the actions making it a chore to watch.

  • @anastasiossarikas5510
    @anastasiossarikas55102 жыл бұрын

    There is a fencing saying worth remembering: "Never change a winning game, but never continue a losing one". Alex makes too many compound attacks (with a bent elbow) and Gerek knows this. Consequently, Gerek knew that he could effectively counterattack and "steal" the time. He did that over and over and Alex did not change his game. Also, and equally important, Alex needs to work on his "core" stability - to maintain his torso's balance over his legs (good examples of what I'm talking about include both Race Imboden and Gerek Meinhardt on the USA squad - and also the entire Italian Team is another example of this). Alex's unfortunate and repeated loss of balance creates an inability to take small, short parries and, inevitably, each parry and counter-parry are wider and wider (way out there). The net result is that his point is further and further away from his opponent's target area making lightning ripostes more difficult to achieve. Frankly, I don't know if Alex can now modify his fencing. Things are by now so ingrained that a "do-over" may not be feasible. Don't get me wrong, Alex is a wonderful fencer with really great skills and I like him immensely but I can't help thinking how much better he could be.

  • @dooodo165
    @dooodo1654 жыл бұрын

    Hello, I'm a Chinese fencer. I found your channel when I was looking for fencing video. I think these videos are very good. I want to share it with more fencers. I want to reprint it on the Chinese website. I'll point out where they came from, OK? Thank you very much

  • @weedywet
    @weedywet4 жыл бұрын

    Why is the audio so far ahead of the video?

  • @UncleWally3
    @UncleWally34 жыл бұрын

    A bit more description of the action would help, but excellent commentary.

  • @DanielVerberne
    @DanielVerberne3 жыл бұрын

    Is it normal for a fencing bout to be so very stop-start?

  • @BenMatti

    @BenMatti

    3 жыл бұрын

    yeah basically. old fencing teacher used to tell us, fights usually go one of three ways. i kill you, you try and stop me but i kill you, or we both kill each other. if it takes longer than 10 secs for someone to land a hit its considered to be long.

  • @lehmanbrothers6938
    @lehmanbrothers69389 ай бұрын

    1:10 can someone explain why Meinhardt had right of way even though Massialas connected first? New to foil, thanks

  • @lehmanbrothers6938

    @lehmanbrothers6938

    9 ай бұрын

    And again at 1:37, he runs Meinhardt runs himself through on his opponents blade before scoring but is still awarded the point, why is this?

  • @marfthemarfin1619
    @marfthemarfin16193 жыл бұрын

    intersting. doing some research on fencing so this video is useful. Also a great look at what lazer tag would be like as a world cup..(really cool scoring system)

  • @TheKFFowler
    @TheKFFowler2 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate ketchup's complaint and intelligent commentary. I am an ex-collegiate fencer and was interested in viewing expert duelists at the peak of their game. For a while--a very frustrating time!--I thought my old eyes were really deceiving me. The narration would cheer for a hit that I just missed! It took me some time before realizing how badly out of-synch the audio is. Hello KZread administrators! ~ You really ought to post a WARNING to new viewers. Otherwise, I am sure a misleading video like this can drive NEW watchers AWAY from the sport I love.

  • @ericdew2021
    @ericdew20213 жыл бұрын

    This event is like a lifetime ago.

  • @thevideorium2665
    @thevideorium26652 жыл бұрын

    Is one of the commentators Bruce Dickinson? Because he sounds just like him, and Dickinson was a fencing champ once.

  • @kismetrina
    @kismetrina3 жыл бұрын

    Like some other people mentioned, this sport is pretty hard to follow, and the quality of footage makes it even harder. Anyone have any tips for following the action? Should i be focusing on the swords, or their footwork. How can I better follow the action when it all happens so fast and the swords are so slender?

  • @evgenybelilovskiy1205

    @evgenybelilovskiy1205

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you are new to fencing, intricacies of footwork won't tell you much. Look at where the fencers are moving, and who is parrying (blocking). If they both hit at the same time, the advancing fencer gets the point. Likewise if the other does a parry, and reposts (counterattacks), they get the point. Foils can be floppy swords, so flicks are nearly impossible to follow and can reach speeds of close to 70mph.

  • @kismetrina

    @kismetrina

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@evgenybelilovskiy1205 Thanks for taking the time. I've gotten a bit better at following the action by simply watching more and more. I still have to remind myself what the rules are for the different weapon classes from time to time.

  • @evgenybelilovskiy1205

    @evgenybelilovskiy1205

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kismetrina oh damn, sorry for the 3 month late response lol. Yeah weapon classes are annoying. I fenced in school for a while but switched over to HEMA for saber because it is a more fun and realistic sport in my opinion.

  • @YesolYoon

    @YesolYoon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Focus on target

  • @cheesedog3798
    @cheesedog37983 жыл бұрын

    Though im a kid and im very bad at fencing Foil has to be one of the weirdest looking swords coming from a Sabre fencer.

  • @hambugre5396

    @hambugre5396

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a kid too and I do foil. I think all the swords look normal-ish. The only kind of sword that is weird to me is the Orthopedic grip.

  • @dzfz2100
    @dzfz21004 жыл бұрын

    Massialas didn’t try second intention really at all... just broken timing. If he knew Meinhardt was just going to counter-attack, why not build that into his prep?

  • @-eea32

    @-eea32

    4 жыл бұрын

    more fients

  • @herbertaloysreinders5883
    @herbertaloysreinders58833 жыл бұрын

    MY SPORT

  • @cosmicchicken46
    @cosmicchicken463 жыл бұрын

    Why did this guy just ask if it would boring how freaking rude

  • @redlava6190
    @redlava61904 жыл бұрын

    I think this is good film

  • @firestormsentry80
    @firestormsentry803 жыл бұрын

    Excellent attack into preparation! (6:09)

  • @RicardoHernandez-lz8oh
    @RicardoHernandez-lz8oh2 жыл бұрын

    No me gusta porque no tiene repetición

  • @redlava6190
    @redlava61904 жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @foil_fencer2854
    @foil_fencer28543 жыл бұрын

    My fencing coach is one of the Duke fencing coaches. Lit 🔥 😂. I love fencing as u can tell by my used too btw 😝

  • @redlava6190
    @redlava61904 жыл бұрын

    Meinhardt not even trying for like 5 touches or so.

  • @-eea32

    @-eea32

    4 жыл бұрын

    "if you let that guy hit you one more time you're not going to the olympics"

  • @-eea32

    @-eea32

    4 жыл бұрын

    actually, that is very highly motivational

  • @halilksoglu6576
    @halilksoglu65763 жыл бұрын

    atakan hocadan geldik 7/A

  • @redlava6190
    @redlava61904 жыл бұрын

    This was a So-So

  • @orangesguid
    @orangesguid2 жыл бұрын

    gerek only takes w's

  • @orangesguid

    @orangesguid

    2 жыл бұрын

    that's on god

  • @orangesguid

    @orangesguid

    2 жыл бұрын

    common Gerek W

  • @orangesguid

    @orangesguid

    2 жыл бұрын

    can we get a #OnlyW'sForGerek

  • @orangesguid

    @orangesguid

    2 жыл бұрын

    im glad people like my hashtag

  • @orangesguid

    @orangesguid

    2 жыл бұрын

    very impressive performance from Gerek

  • @heraclez7750
    @heraclez77502 жыл бұрын

    The difference in skill level is displayed in this match. Massialas leaves himself too open when attackin with no arm extended

  • @user-sd8mw8gg1d
    @user-sd8mw8gg1d4 жыл бұрын

    Imboden was better Massialas

  • @christianalbertjahns2577

    @christianalbertjahns2577

    4 жыл бұрын

    Massialas is ranked above Imboden, hence Massialas is better

  • @nourmcherek4297

    @nourmcherek4297

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@christianalbertjahns2577 yeah but massialas’ fencing is quite repetitive and gets very boring, his atta is are quite heavy too while imboden is very fast on his feet and has great momentum

  • @steezus5500
    @steezus55003 жыл бұрын

    Gay

  • @GR-yh9qr
    @GR-yh9qr3 жыл бұрын

    gay

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