Circling back here again to thank you for the series on the Graco sprayer. I had previously dabbled at spraying finishes using an HVLP system but was always frustrated with the process and the results. After watching your series, I decided to give airless spraying a try. Just finished my first project with the Graco Ultramax, priming and painting a medium sized bookcase. The learning curve was about 2 hrs combined learning how to use the sprayer and practicing on some cardboard panels, then off to the real job. Even if not perfect, the results may well be the best paint job I've ever done. Just really happy now to have this capability available to me. So thanks again.

@snaubdca7yebf

Жыл бұрын

How much extra paint do you think you wasted vs an HVLP?

Thank you for the detailed feedback

Thank you for the video. I bought a ProShot 2 back in 2017, still works. Bought the Ultramax this week and it broke on the 1st day.

One reason you have had great battery life is because the Ultra Max (same as TC Pro Plus) has a brushless motor. The standard Ultra (same as the TC Pro) has a brushed motor that isn't as efficient. Most of the advertising portrays the only difference between the models being that the Max/Plus versions can spray solvents etc, but the brushless motor is also a factor. Great video!

Very helpful video. Thank you for making it.

Hello Peter, I just wanted to thank you for all your videos on spraying techniques and sprayers - incredibly helpful. Finally I purchased the Graco Ultra (like you I rarely use spirit based paint) and with all your videos I felt so much more confident and started with a real advantage. As you say, it pumps out a lot of paint and on my first jobs I got runs etc. after putting pieces to dry, even with the dial at the backset to 5. Once that was turned down to 3 or 4 it worked perfectly. So, as a tip for anybody using one for the first time, I recommend setting the dial to a lower setting and turn it up if necessary. Thanks again - keep it up.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hugh! 👍👍

Another great video Peter, What a coincidence with this video popping up on my notifications, after watching your series of Graco videos I purchased the UltraMax last week...just used it for the first time tonight, It’s a great bit of kit (currently on shaker style wardrobe doors and bifolds also) 👍.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! It’s a great piece of kit for its intended use 👍👍

Nice vid as always, Peter. Thanks for the update on the sprayer. I will have to catch up with your videos. There seems to be so much good content I haven´t gotten to yet. Also, it´s nice to see that you have some merch now. Need to check that out too. Cheers. G.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Goran! Yes, haven’t formally announced the mercy yet, but the stire’s right there for everyone to see 👍👍

Thanks for the reply...

Thanks for the 100 mesh filter recommendation. Just bought a three pack.

I’ve sprayed solvent based polyurethane through mine amazing finish! It advertised that this sprayer doesn’t require paint thinning but if you want a quality finish with no spits do more thin coats!

@healing2gether

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Ward so true, we found that as well. With thinned out light coats and the right FFLP tip we can get a comparable finish to our hvlp

@als3449

4 жыл бұрын

Will it spray tubs

I love your videos great tips! I’ve been trying to finish a small pine tabletop but the lacquer spray can wasn’t as hard as I thought. You should do a video on how to finish.

I still find a little £3 roller and decent Dulux trade paint gives a good enough finish for most of my customers. I sprayed my kitchen and the time it takes to get all set up and clean up is crazy. Obviously the finish is better. Great video. Would love one of these sprayers but cost is a bit high for me. Keep up the good work Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! ‘Good enough’ is all I aim for tbh, though a sprayed finish is better, I find, and faster. If you haven’t tried them then ‘two fussy blokes’ 4” rollers are really good. And I went for this Graco airless because the cleanup and setup time is very fast compared to other spraying systems - if it took longer than 10 minutes, I simply wouldn’t do it 👍👍

In the User Manual for latex paint, the minimum Ora five for Primers and Interior Latex paints is .014 in. Or .36mm. I think using a smaller practice like a 310 puts too much strain on the pump and wears it out quicker. The compatible tips size is in the user manual on Page 15. Cheers!

Thank you Peter

Very informative as usual, the spray series was what got me into watching your channel regularly as I got into spraying around then as well. I went for a Fuji Spray HVLP system but it was a close run thing with the Graco. Shame you're not closer to me as I'd lend you my system for a few days so you could do a compare and contrast video. One definite benefit of the Graco is how much quieter it is, the HVLP sounds like an aircraft taking off! Great finish though so I can't really complain.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve no regrets buying the Graco given the job I bought it for, but if I hadn’t needed the portability / easy colour change / easy cleaning, then I’d have looked closely at HVLP - and I may still. And yes, the ‘turbine whine’ of HVLP can be quite painful - even in my little cheapo one! 👍👍

@macbaar6073

5 жыл бұрын

Aahh the sound of Heathrow...

I am the same but it is difficult to calculate some jobs, I am a cabinet maker by trade and I find it difficult to judges sometimes. great video and a piece of kit I keep looking at to reduce my work flow.

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve stopped spraying now, and sadly the graco failed and left me in a jam one time too many. 🤷‍♂️👍

I have the Graco Ultra Cordless. I tried initially with Johnstone's Acrylic Durable Eggshell and it went on really nice straight out of the can. However on another job I was using Johnstone's Aqua Water Based Undercoat which clogged up the standard filter and caused spluttering. I had to water this paint down for the gun to work. Thought I'd pass this on.

@kassiefouts9882

2 жыл бұрын

You have to play around with the tips and the pressure. Shouldn't have to thin it.

for the air valve you can use a 15mm rubber bung don't buy anymore caps, and put a freeze bag into the flex cup then fill the bag with paint, saaves the cups, cleaning and quick change of paint,

Very informative video as always Peter, I’ve had my Graco for about 3 months now and still getting used to it like you mention. Using Leyland acrylic eggshell ,do you thin this or use straight from the tin? If you do what ratio please , keep up the great work , and thankyou

Howdy doodle Pete, For 600 smackers you could get a decent belt driven compressor and a good lvlp spray gun kit from Fast Mover in Dunstable direct or from Fleabay or Amazon. The kit comes in a nice case with foam insets the bits live in. You get the gun with 1.3 set up in the gun and a 1.8 set up for thicker paints, tool kit for cleaning, 10 filters, bench mounted gun stand, inline water filter and inline pressure regulator with gauge all for around 78 of your finest British pounds. All the best Pete and gr8 vids as always.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yep, absolutely - but as I said early in the ‘playing at spraying’ series, my needs when I first got into spraying were for a compact portable system I could use onsite with easy cleaning and colour changing. There’s a lot to be said for the compressor (or HVLP) option, but this cordless airless was the best thing for me WRT the job it was bought for. 👍👍

I got the £25 sprayer from LIDL the other week and it did a fairly decent job (considering I used Poundstretcher's finest water based gloss). I saw it and it just fell in to the trolley, funny how things happen like that in those German supermarkets!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes - I’m regularly pleased that I don’t have a local Aldi or Lidl! 😂👍👍

@peterfitzpatrick7032

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop my "local" Lidls is 30 miles away.. Aldi is 50 miles !... & I STILL buy too many tools from them ! 🙄😬 Their 3 year warranty is great... 😎👍☘

@animationcreations42

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop I have one on each end of the street. I just can't help myself!

@peterfitzpatrick7032

5 жыл бұрын

@@animationcreations42 Hah !! You poor barsteward !! 😂😂 & I mean poor, they take all yer moolah !! 😡 Actually I just kid u... they are a great source for "stuff" we use in biz & hobby... 😎👍☘

@MrBarrytommy

5 жыл бұрын

Oh I saw them just as I had just got the Aldi version for £40 D'oh!

Although we don't have those paints here in the states you can probably do what I have done to adjust the sheen. Take 50% of the 10 and box/mix together with 50% of the 30. The color may not be perfect since it is a mix of the two and the batches could be slightly different. But if the supplier manufactures to tight specs it will be so close batch to batch the difference will be indistinguishable.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yes, I have done this, and whilst it worked well (paint manufacturer) Tikkurila don’t recommend it and to be frank it’s the kind of messing about (mixing/thinning paints) that I went with airless to avoid! And it could all be avoided if they made the paint in a 20% sheen 🤷‍♂️👍👍

Would you put some danish oil in this for Howdens veneer doors?

Looking into a handheld sprayer at this moment. Watching as many videos and reviews as I can stand. Lol

@10MinuteWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

Avoid this one. 2 pumps replaced under warranty, and gone again out of warranty. Not putting good money after bad. 😕

Hiya just got one today and so lookin forward to gettin it up and running as i have a big wardrobe to do it comes with 2 tips 410 and a 514 not sure what one will work best. Will will i need to go buy another one for gettin a better finish on the doors... my Nerves are Wreck thinkin about gettin it goin with the money i saved up to buy it lol... its the ultra triax ll one i got all the best 👍

Thanks for the update, Peter! I'm not sure how the sprayers are bundled there, but in Canada it seems the Ultra vs. Ultra Max cordless sprayer bundles are the same with the following differences: Ultra: 514 spray tip 4 32 oz flex liners 60 mesh filter Sprays only non-flammable finishes Works with standard threaded airless pray tip extensions Ultra Max: 514 and 210 spray tips 6 32 oz flex liners 60 and 100 mesh filters Sprays non-flammable and solvent-based finishes Uses proprietary composite (non-conductive) threaded spray tip not compatible with standard extensions So it would appear that the Ultra Max offers some extra value to offset its added cost IF the user can benefit from the additional 210 tip and finer 100 mesh filter, but doesn't need the added flexibility of using extensions (I was unable to find extensions for this model while searching online). Great video, keep up the good work! Question regarding finishing of MDF: do you find the end grain of MDF absorbs finishes requiring additional priming? This SEEMS to be the case when I read up on it, yet I haven't noticed you priming the ends of your boards. Is this somehow an advantage of the airless sprayer? The grade of MDF material? Just curious. Thanks!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

That’s really interesting, thanks! No, the scope of delivery is identical here between the Ultra and Ultramax - the only difference is the machine AFAIK. Certainly I didn’t get a 210 tip or the 100mesh filter included in my package, and only 3# 1-litre flexliners 🤷‍♂️ Re MDF edges, I’ve never done anything special to them, other than priming and sanding. I did a 6-part painting & finishing series way back before I was spraying (starts video #029) but the principle is the same; start with a decent quality, preferably MR (moisture resistant) MDF and sand it to P180. Prime it, and sand it back to P240 when dry. If you’re painting both sides of the board you can prime it again when you do the other side, otherwise, apply 2-3 topcoats, de-nibbling in between. That’s it! That’s all I’ve ever done, and it’s worked well for me. But you do need to start with decent MDF 👍👍

@superspeeder

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard , thanks!

I bought one of these about 4 months ago. (actually the corded one, because I wanted to save weight with no battery) but have not been impressed. It's nothing against Graco, I love Graco, I use my 650 Hi-Boy almost every day! Anyway the first day I used my handheld, the internal pump went out :( took it back to SW and they fixed it ASAP (had to replace the entire internal pump). Another major issue is your really should consider is you have to have fresh paint, or meticulously strain your material, otherwise this thing is going to clog in a few seconds. There isn't much room to have anything but a think screen for a filter, and not much horsepower to power through those little clogs. These things are heavy! I already mentioned how I tried to save weight with buying the corded option. but if you are actually using this thing for more than 5 minutes, good luck! maybe I'm just a weakling! Lastly and most notably cleaning your Graco HandHeld SUCKs! you've just dropped around $500 on your new little handheld, of course you are going to take care of it right? Let me tell you, I can clean my regular airless sprayers in 1/2 the time it takes to clean this little thing. I average 7-10 rinses before I get clear water remaining in my reservoir, and that is with doing a thorough pre rinse of every thing, including the canister lid, filter, and reservoir. These things are great if you just need to do a door or 2 even 3 real quick, or maybe some trim in 1 room. would I recommend one of these? NO! save your money and buy a 395!

Just a tip for you, save wetting the cloth on the tip and putting your glove on it, if you put the strayer tip guard down in a bucket, then put water in the bucket so it just covers the tip, you can keep the sprayer filled with paint for hours inberween coats :) Also where did you get your round Velcro hand sander from? I can’t find it anywhere and it looks really useful :)

@glenwhyte2555

3 жыл бұрын

Solo builder... thanks for that tip, so obvious now i've read it.

Good stuff, thanks. Your videos and some others motivated me to get a Graco Ultramax cordless. When I get it right, it is fantastic, but I'm still very much in the learning phase. I did have a similar situation yesterday where it went all spitty and it was the final finish on the fronts of a couple of cabinet doors. I didn't want to have to sand all that back (again), so I thought I had nothing to lose and quickly got a 100mm (4") wide brush and hand painted over the big blobs. Then after properly priming the gun, resprayed over the door and found it was fine. Cheers, David.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Good trick, thanks David! 👍👍

I use the solvent based model and find it's a pain in the @** to clean properly. It is my go-to unit in the shop, as I don't do much spraying and like not having to drag a hose. I have an HVLP cup gun if I need a backup, which came in handy as mine too had the pump replaced under warranty just a week. I bought mine in May and I'd guess I've sprayed around 10 gallons through it. And although I hate the chemicals, the lacquers can't be beat for finish quality and durabilty.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting to hear, thanks! I’ve never sprayed solvent-based products principally because of the clean-up - just can’t face it! 👍👍

Peter you have done a fantastic service in producing this Graco series, perfectly pitched with oodles of common sense and down to earth appraisal. All that aside I notice on the closing time lapse clear up an evolution chop saw making a cameo appearance. Is that for metalwork or is the Kapex losing favour.😉

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Norman, but wow - you guys! I’m going to have to be more careful in future! Evolution have provided me with the saw for review, though it will be a little while before I’m ready with it 👍👍

@normanboyes4983

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard 😂

Ha, I put all my work in the car to dry. I don’t want the fumes in my workshop. I use the leyland oil based primer. I find the sun through the windows helps dry it. I just air out the car for 10 mins before using it.

Hi where can I get that mesh filter from

Hi. For refinishing cabinet, Does that paint sprayer give smooth paint finish close to factory finish? Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can get a factory finish with airless. However the pump has just gone again, so I’m afraid unless you really need something small and self-contained, I would put your money elsewhere. 🤷‍♂️👍

I purchased mine the other day and collected it/used it for the first time yesterday off the back of your “playing at spraying” series. When I saw this video I was worried you were going to say not to bother getting one! I purchased mine with the intention of spraying a stain then a top coat of clear (specifically Morrells pre-cat lacquer). I know you only use paints/primers but would you recommend doing this? I can imagine cleaning it would be difficult with water as the lacquers are not water based. Thanks again!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

You’ll need to check this with Graco, but I don’t think the cordless sprayers are compatible with pre-cat lacquers. 🤷‍♂️

Thanks Peter, I’m still scratching my head with my Fuji hvlp I think you need to show me how to make it work 😜

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’m available at very reasonable rates, but only if you live 5 minutes away 😂👍👍

@karlhiggins6749

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard you wouldn’t believe it I am 😂 London W3

Nice gun

@10MinuteWorkshop

9 ай бұрын

It was excellent while it worked. Gave up on it after the third pump failed. 🤷‍♂️

I have wondered, is it worth covering the battery with something, maybe a surgical glove ?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

To what end? If general protection, they fit pretty snugly and the inside of the batteries where the contacts are are very clean👍👍

I still have the other cheap Amazon sprayer you did a video on when your old one broke. It's still going well!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! 👍👍

@jimhooper475

5 жыл бұрын

I've got the same one 👍 (haven't used it yet) do you water down the paint much?

@David-xu3yk

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimhooper475 I usually water mine down to nearly a mile like thickness. There is a little funnel and a chart that tells you how thick it needs to be. It takes a few tries to get it right when watering the paint down. I'd highly recommend using a sieve when pouring the paint into the pot, cleaning the spray head often when working to stop paint splattering.

Add a little owatrol oil to the linseed oil based paint and bain maria the paint { heat} to around 25 centigrade then spray with 3 14 or 15 tip If brushing the owatrol oil will give you a better finish

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! I’m only using water-based paints so not sure it applies, but good to know, and could be good for someone! 👍👍

Peter what’s the set up and take down time ? Is it worth it for a small job if it needs three coats over three days.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Less than 10 minutes to set up & strip down - see video #251 ‘spraying aftermath’ for a real-time demo. For me if it needed 3 coats over 3 days then probably not as the space is either a workshop or spray booth, not both - but most paints I use are re-coatable much faster than that. 👍👍

Hi Peter great content I’ve a couple of questions if you don’t mind. I’ve watched a few of your spraying videos I’ve recently purchased the ultra max and used it for the first time and it kept blocking which was incredibly frustrating I was using water based primer undercoat that had been well watered down but every minute or so it just blocked up. I’ve just seen that you changed to the 100 mesh filter and you say it has stopped the blockages you also said in one of you videos that you may have put the tip in wrong please could you explain that because I want to get everything correct as it’s a great tool I’m sure but I will stop using it if I can’t get it to work as it’s ment to many thanks in advance

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi and thanks! Long story short I’ve abandoned the graco after the pump failed again. I won’t buy another. I had a faulty tip originally, that didn’t seat correctly, causing the overspray. I also had a lot of blockages, but switching to a 100-mesh filter (Graco 100 mesh filter - bit.ly/graco_mesh) made a world of difference. When it was working it was a great machine, and did everything it was bought for, but I’m afraid it let me down too many times. 🤷‍♂️

Very interesting video Peter, thank you. It is certainly a neat little sprayer. What is the mm diameter of a 310 tip? Those lumps it spits out almost look like partly congealed paint, probably partly drying in the reservoir I guess. I find 2 amp batteries good, less weight, you can really feel the weight of the big ones if spend a few hours with a battery impact driver. Thanks again Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob! Graco say the 310 tip has an ‘orifice of 0.01 inches’ which is 0.254mm. These tip sizes don’t really relate to eg needle sizes on hvlp though, so it’s hard to make a comparison. 👍👍

@whitedoggarage

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, because you don't dilute the paint I was thinking the orifice would be bigger than that, wow.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they run at pretty high pressures👍😯

With those little rollers if your getting anything less than nearly a sprayed finish you simply have too much paint on the roller roll it out so it’s quite dry and that will knock down all the orange peel.

Hello , do you have a link or ref to purchase the 100 mesh filter ? Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

No, sorry - a quick google search should show it up though.👍

Mix 10 and 30 to get 20?

I love all your articles where you are cutting and joining materials. I have taken inspiration from your approach and techniques and this has improved the quality and efficiency of my work. But I shudder at the thought of glueing, nailing, clamping, sanding and painting. Almost all of my jobs are done using Egger decorative MFC with ABS edging, connected with Dominos and Kreg pocket hole screws, and finished with HPP's Vinyl doors, drawers and sliding doors. Once cut and drilled everything can be taken to site flatpack style and assembled in situ. And as soon as it's up, there's nothing more to do. It may marginally restrict my offerings but I don't regret it for a second. But there are two factors that may be affecting my decisions - my unheated workshop is even smaller than yours - and my boredom threshold is very low!

How would you clean the pump after using gloss? Would you run turps through the handheld unit?

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been water-based for around 15 years, so not really the person to ask, but yes, I believe that’s the process with oil-based paints. 👍

Hi Peter. Apologies if you've addressed this elsewhere. I'm thinking of moving across to spray painting stuff (in a small workshop v similar to yours). I get the impression that the Graco probably isn't your recommendation overall anymore? Is there a tool you would recommend, or that you get the impression others recommend?

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Alastair. No, I’m pretty much done with spraying now - not in the fitted furniture game any more, so no need. As for what else, to suggest, I’m not really sure to be honest. At the lower end there a Wagner W100 that a pal has had success with, but if you’re looking for something a bit more upscale, I’m afraid I can’t help out - haven’t been paying attention tbh. 🤷‍♂️👍

Never got on with airless spraying, 12 coats are better than 2 and flat back every 3 thinning down as you go

Is the 100 filter a finer filter than the 60? It sounds as though it is from your video but I want to be sure before I order. I’m having issues spraying Benjamin Moore Advance High Gloss. It keeps clogging at the top. After watching your video it seems you solved this with changing the filter to a “100” one. What does the 60 and the 100 refer to? Thanks in advance

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Hiya. Yes, the 100 filter is finer than the standard 60 that comes with the gun. It’s the little circular filter that sits beneath the intake on the gun, that the paint pot attaches to - these ones. amzn.to/2EfxZ27 Made a big difference to mine - all those bigglynlittle clogs and blockages went away. 👍👍

@GrahamDIY

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard thanks for taking the time to reply, Peter. Appreciate it. I’ll buy them now. Thanks for the link. 🙏

Hello Peter have you or do you water down your paint to spray

@10MinuteWorkshop

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve stopped spraying now, but it depended on which sprayer I used. No thinning needed for the airless, about 15-20% for hvlp.

Hey Peter. I have the graco ultra. Seem's to be jamming up quite alot. I use it on new build housing for doors and balustrades. I always give it a good clean out. Could it be the spray tip or what?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Jamming up as in blockages that need to be cleared by reversing the tip, or something else? I found I had regular blockages that completely went away after I switched to a 100 mesh filter on the paint intake to the cup/flexliner - definitely worth trying. 👍

@paddymcadam3546

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I reverse the tip, too clear it out. Then turn it round to spray. Sprays for few seconds, then starts playing up. I have a spare mesh in my graco bag, it's blue and black. Is that maybe a better one.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

@@paddymcadam3546 Yep, blue one is 100 mesh - put them side by side and you should see its a finer mesh. Made the world of difference to mine 👍👍

I have the Graco Ultra and it's worked great for me so far. But I tried your trick of using a latex glove to seal the top of a flex container, but it collapses the cup rim. Any suggestions?

@10MinuteWorkshop

2 жыл бұрын

No, sorry. They were large gloves, if that makes a difference? 🤷‍♂️👍

@georgechamplin2276

2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter I've got to say I'm impressed that you're replying to an older thread like this. I think I have a solution, a 1 pint takeout container fits perfectly inside the flex liner. I'm thinking cut away most of it leaving only about the top 1/2" and slipping it inside the flex liner to stiffen the rim so it won't collapse. Keep up the great videos, I'm hooked.

@nigelmcilwaine9336

2 жыл бұрын

Try using a piece of cling film over the cup ...... works a treat

Could you Pls do a Full tutorial & spray painting demonstration on how to use this spray gun plus painting of surfaces etc - Like painting a large wall area etc ? - Thx 😕😨

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, sorry but I’m finished with spraying now. If you check out the ‘spraying adventures’ playlist that has pretty everything I’ve learned , right from the start. 👍

Hi Peter. This may be a silly question but will this style of sprayer also spray clear finishes?

@10MinuteWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t sprayed anything for a while, but yes it will spray clear finishes, provided the viscosity is OK. 👍

I know it's not at all the topic of the video, but I was seeing your FS 1400/2 over your shoulder and it got me curious...what's the longest track you have? Would you always have the yard break down 1220x2440 panels for you, or do you have a FS 2700 for those rare occasions?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I almost always get my yard to cut the bulk of my materials, but I do have a 3-metre Makita rail that I cut down to 2100/900 but can be rejoined when needed. I also have the 2400 LR32 ‘holey rail’ that will - with a bit of fiddling - rip a full sheet. I did a video about is actually (#139) as the question came up a few times! 👍👍

@mlindholm

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Ah, and I have watched that before! The 2400 LR32 is probably more useful for shelving layout anyway, when you've got the taller bookcases/cabinets. My Fiesta hatch can only just fit 96" lumber in it, so the extra 10" on the FS 2700/2 would undoubtedly not fit. I've been figuring an FS 1900 would mate up nicely with my FS900 for ripping down sheets, be perfect for 5x5 baltic birch, and conveniently fit in the car to haul around.

Hi Peter, In the video and also the playing at spraying series, you mention you would purchase the ultra if buying it again. Does that mean you could still use gloss paint? im assuming you use a water based gloss if thats the case? Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi. I’ve only ever used water-based paints, although this unit is capable of spraying solvent-based paints and lacquers due to the brushless motor. To be clear though, these videos are quite old now, and I don’t recommend this sprayer as a long-term proposition after the pump failed for the third time. See my recent ‘My 5 Worst Buys!’ video - kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z6mjs5lxaJqfddY.html

@vvvvv8234

2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes and after seeing the results you got with the £30 HVLP its hard to justify anything else. PS I bought an Excel track saw recently after watching your tracksaw series. It was on for a good price but it must be the only track saw ive not seen you review 🙂, Hopefully is decent.

Nice fence sprayer...

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

😂👍

Maybe a dumb suggestion: but have you tried mixing the Helmi 10 and Helmi 30 to get a Helmi "20"? Maybe worth a shot?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have actually - and it did work, although Tikkurila don’t recommend it. I just wish they offered 20 as an option 🤷‍♂️👍

Hi, do you recommend this tool? or better with air?

@10MinuteWorkshop

8 ай бұрын

It did the job it was bought to do, but the pump failed too many times for me to recommend it; Graco won’t get another penny out of me.

Do you think this is suitable to paint a room with thinned out latex paint? I use an older wagner gun, and i wouldn’t trust it to paint furniture, i’m looking for something flexible to replace it.

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve used mine to paint rooms with what we call emulsion paint. Sorry, we don’t have ‘latex” here in the UK, so not really sure what it compares to here. 🤷‍♂️ No problem using this Graco to paint a room with though - that’s what I bought it for. 👍

@gilbycoyote

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard yes, i should have watched playing at spraying series before commenting. I think i’ll get this sprayer, i love the cordless aspect. If only it took festool 18v packs😂

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Yes - who doesn’t want another battery platform to support! 😂🤷‍♂️👍

Excellent video. Approximately how many cups would you estimate you were able to spray out of your Ultramax before your pump went bad?

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Nowhere near the 500 litres they claim - probably more like 200 at most.

@swordfish1120

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for the info. Given the amount of care you showed for your gun (regular cleaning and typical paint used on small projects) and the indoor spraying I think 200 liters is probably more realistic than 500.

I’m sold but want to get the same tip you’re using as my jobs are similar - which tip did you pick please Peter ?

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly wouldn't recommend them; the pump on mine went again last year and I wont be replacing it. Apparently they are working on a better pump system, so I'd wait for that. Shame, as it had such promise, but was deeply flawed, and 'great while it works' isn't any kind of a recommendation, and for the money I expect far, far better. 🤷‍♂️

@Nigel-Parry

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop hmmm ok - thanks for the steer ! I’ll start looking at other options - are you looking at air based now ?

you can a get a bucket and mix 10 with 30 equally and you'll have a 20 sheen paint.

Thanks very much for the informative video. I was wondering what is the minimum paint volume this one can paint with? Is 50 ml of paint ok to be used?

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I had a lot of problems with this gun - now on its third pump and not getting another. They are re-engineering the pumps apparently, so if you were considering a purchase I’d wait. To get the gun started you need a minimum of about 1/4 of the cup, so about 250mm - you need to have enough paint in there to prime the pump, before you can start spraying. 👍

@nickfish4385

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you so much for your kind reply

That’s interesting to know. Pump change at 10 months with average use hours. Good to know. They’re pricey.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah John... especially after the initial serious expense of buying the contraption in the first place. 😖 I do wonder if the "cordless" factor is worth paying for , if one were to ONLY use it in the shop... 🙄 😎👍☘

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ll see how long this one lasts. The sprayer’s very good, but there are lots of hvlp options around the same price - or even the price of the pump replacement. But then it’s hvlp, so you’re into paint viscosity, thinning, needle sizes, cleaning etc.. etc.. 🤷‍♂️

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Agree - if it’s ship based them the corded may well do the job, though I do like the ‘freedom’’ of cordless it comes at a price - weight, as well as money 👍🤷‍♂️

@peterfitzpatrick7032

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop you are very nautical Mr. Millard... 😂 😎👍☘

I never knew Gracco did that model in white 🙄 😂😂 Pete, it seems to me that applying finish is a bit pernickity regardless of what process &/or finish you are applying... its DEFINITELY my least favourite part of any job... 😤 😎👍☘

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Very true, and spraying is as demanding as any method - just way faster to apply! Ah yes - the white model is a special order item 😆😂😂👍👍

Do you thin your primer coat or just use it straight?

@10MinuteWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

Haven't sprayed for years, but with airless you should be able to spray straight from the can - that's the whole point of airless. 👍

@tonyharison2058

Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks, just starting out the graco so your videos are quite helpful, I’ll try some of the paints and nozzle you suggested.

I saw the comparison with the cheapo jobby. I wonder how the quality compares with the traditional compressor/gun combo? Pro-sprayers, or my mate down "Morrells" wont get near HVLP.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve never used a compressor & gun combo, so can’t say I’m afraid. Interesting; everyone I know who does spraying as part of their business swears by HVLP or Air assisted airless 🤷‍♂️👍

@grahamalexander7230

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Micheal, I have both a traditoinal compressor / gun combo as well as a good quality HVLP gun and worst still a very early apollo 500 vacum blower hvlp. to be honest when im spraying stains or oils such as fiddes I always go for traditional setup, but when spraying emulsions and such I tend to go with what ever is at the front of the draw... im no expert but the finish seems to be ok with any. I guess the issue with compressor is dialing in the pressure and gun settings right. I also usually set up a gazebo back of the workshop to spray in so over spray ceases to be an issue. Hope that helps.

@Dickie2702

5 жыл бұрын

Conventional gun and compressor will give you a quality finish but you will die before you finish a big job so slow. If you are serious about spraying and quality and speed are important AAA is the only way to go. We use a Wagner Puma Air Assisted Setup. Cut down our spraying time buy nearly 40%. Last job we did used 25litres of primer for two coats, all done in about 4 hrs.

You mix helmi 10 and 30 to get a 20% sheen 👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve done it and it does work, though Tikkurila don’t recommend it. I just wish they made a Helmi 20 🤷‍♂️👍

@cheztaylor8

5 жыл бұрын

Of course they don’t recommend it! Crikey, I hope you don’t recommend people build their own furniture . . sheesh. ;-)

Is this white version a Frozen edition? A must have for a girls nails...😜🇨🇭

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Just a let it go, OK? 😂😂👍👍

The pump on mine died today, was brought 8 months ago used for the odd small job the odd door frame door skirting etc really happy with it until now

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Damn. Still under warranty, but mine took a few weeks to be fixed. Does seem to be a weak point. 🤷‍♂️

@michaelbrown3423

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard did they refuse to just send you a replacement pump and have you send the old one back? That would seem more logical.

@Sylviesays34

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Brown i had to send the whole unit back to where I brought it from, then they sent it to someone else who took 3 month to look at it they installed a refurbished pump, not new, I got it back last week did 3 doors and frames, started making a horrible sound and wasn’t spraying great, have just brought a brand new pump myself, turned up in 3 days, not a great experience

@michaelbrown3423

4 жыл бұрын

craig grimshaw That’s crap. they should just send the new pump since they are user replaceable.

Bad news when work gets in the way!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Sure is! 👍

Thinking of getting one peter

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

I really I can’t recommend it, I’m afraid. Mine died (again) last year; pump (again) and I won’t be replacing it. Shame, as it had great promise, but ultimately disappointed at the worst possible times. 🤷‍♂️👍

@Poopsy1970

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop might give it a miss then. Doesn't sound to good

Graco sprayer with Q-tech pump armour 🤣🤣

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

And that’s funny because?? 🤷‍♂️ It’s what it came with. 🤔

@scottc.1

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard it’s funny to me as I’ve got the same, Graco ultra max and Q-tech p21 airless sprayer, and I use Q-tector pump armour too, even though Graco has own brand armour 👍 Just an observation 👀 🤣

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Scott C Ah, OK; I thought Q-tech just made pump armour 😂🤷‍♂️

@scottc.1

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard Q-tech do turbine and airless sprayers they’ve got quite a few options for sprayers, Dulux decorator stores sell them, Thanks for sharing your vids 👍

So, it's another nine months on and the question is, has your pump failed again yet?

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Then again, I haven’t used it all that much - been doing a lot of birch ply and veneered stuff, a lot less painted. 🤷‍♂️👍

@jonyoungstow

4 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Interesting, you seemed to have embraced spraying. I hadn't touched mine for about three months and within a few moments of starting to spray, it went limp and I had to wipe the workpiece clean and get a roller. Very disappointing. at about 21 months old, it had had about 11 litres through it. Too young to die I felt. I took it all to bits to see why it had failed and the seals at the back of the pistons had leaked, replacing the whole pump just because three small rubber seals were slightly worn, seals that could have been sent in the post for a few pence, seems like a rip off to me.

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonyoungstow I don't disagree; I bought mine for one specific job, which paid for it, but for this kind of money you expect more, e.g. a longer warranty. And yes, my first pump failure was after bringing it out again after a period of being laid up, so I'm not at all sure how it'll be when I come to use it again. And of course, I'll embrace whatever people want at the time; right now it's not a lot of painted stuff, but a lot of Birch ply & veneer. 🤷‍♂️

Hi Peter, Great vid as usual mate. Perhaps you should wear a hat and then you wouldn't get so much overspray in your hair ;-]

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂👍👍

@ProphetpuppetMtm

5 жыл бұрын

George Blair lmfao

@aToOoOoMboi

4 жыл бұрын

Explains the white hair 😁

Should of sprayed that linseed oil paint , it wouldn't be a problem with the sprayer

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

It would be for the cleaning! And the drying! 😱🤷‍♂️👍

@camdecorations9779

4 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop merry Christmas mate keep up the good work with your channel 🎅🎅 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Merry Christmas to you too! 👍👍

They’re great....when new... After a while they’re a pain in the butt frankly. I wouldn’t get another

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t disagree. My second pump has started playing up after minimal use; the fact that the new ones come with a spare pump says it all really. 🤷‍♂️

@Russeroo

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard I don’t know about you Peter but it seems they’re looking to profit hard on the consumables. A car can run for 200,000 miles with multiple moving parts yet a simple spray unit can’t manage to pump more than 500 litres. If only Dyson invented one....

I see you liked the spray gun so much you decided to paint it also. 😂

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, it paints itself white! 😂😂 I had to spray the recent ‘fluted face-frame bookcases’ as complete units, and you get a lot of bounce-back when you do that. 🤷‍♂️👍

@JamesManCave

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop I've watched all the videos on it. Looked really good though. So worth the effort and painting the spray gun! 🤣

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@JamesManCave

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop just a future video thought, would be good to see your take on some outside furniture if you get the chance 👍

Good vid but you need to clean that sprayer up after each use . Its looks well clagged up not good.

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

The important bits are cleaned up after every use. 👍

just mix 30 and 10 helmi in same ratios....and here u go...helmi20.

Wtf? U had to replace the pump within ten months?

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

More like 8. Not good, and it feels like it’s on the verge of going again. 😕 New ones come with a spare pump these days, which tells you something.

Just use a roller much quicker

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

No, it really isn’t.

They are no good for spraying dulux high gloss oil based ok for oil based under coat

Therapeutic viewing.

The absolute first thing that you need to do is go buy a couple good tips, those cheap plastic tips that they come with are junk

I’ve watched you’re video countless times on the Graco cordless sprayer, that being said what is you’re go to sprayer/ model / tip size now? Does it work well with shellac / varnish,?

@10MinuteWorkshop

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve only ever used water-based paints. I’ve only had the Graco for a couple of years and I’m on my third pump - I won’t buy another. 🤷‍♂️

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

John Goulding Yes, I’d look at a cheap hvlp, personally, something a step up from the basic Terratek, there seem to be plenty on Amazon. Sorry, don’t know where you are in the world, but Lidl & Aldi stores both have cordless hvlp units available, if that’s of particular interest. 👍