Let’s see if I have this right: Danny thinks that your ultra sensitive equipment is incapable of measuring the difference his cable can make but anybody who spends 300+ dollars on his crap cable and spends 200+ hours burning it in will then hear such an improvement that for many it will result in an eargasm. Amir, I appreciate you holding these charlatans feet to the fire!

Hilarious how people who don't fall for snake oil cables are called "flat earthers" because they believe in science, and not magical cables.

@scottwheeler2679

Жыл бұрын

lucky for Danny irony does not cause physical harm

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt

Жыл бұрын

Uhh snake oil is the legitimate article and still in use today. Hilarious how people embarrass themselves commenting on this channel while claiming to know science. SMH

@scottwheeler2679

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Pretty ironic on your part. "legitimate snake oil" A little wikipedia primer on the subject. "Snake oil is a term used to describe deceptive marketing, health care fraud, or a scam. Similarly, snake oil salesman is a common label used to describe someone who sells, promotes, or is a general proponent of some valueless or fraudulent cure, remedy, or solution.[1] The term comes from the "snake oil" that used to be sold as a cure-all elixir for many kinds of physiological problems. Many 19th-century United States and 18th-century European entrepreneurs advertised and sold mineral oil (often mixed with various active and inactive household herbs, spices, drugs, and compounds, but containing no snake-derived substances whatsoever) as "snake oil liniment", making claims about its efficacy as a panacea. Patent medicines that claimed to be a panacea were extremely common from the 18th century until the 20th, particularly among vendors masking addictive drugs such as cocaine, amphetamine, alcohol, and opium-based concoctions or elixirs, to be sold at medicine shows as medication or products promoting health."

@scottwheeler2679

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-he3ch If they are real they will be heard in a DBT and yet the mere mention of DBTs is like holding a cross up to a vampire. It's pretty telling.

@Douglas_Blake_579

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Let me guess ... you got that from some cable maker's website... didn't you? Seriously ... most real engineers are aware of these issues and their circuit designs will guard against them. Were it otherwise, there would be mass complaints from their customer base at large and THAT would be well reported.

Yo amir, no apologies. Your job may have started as review, however you have become the one guy that can prove all this crap wrong. I have known this, but am in no position to do the testing as you. I thank you. The whole community loves your ass. We've needed you for years.

@Douglas_Blake_579

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy So that others won't waste their money on expensive stuff that does nothing.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

yes fantastic life improvement.

The copper in my AC cables was burned in 4.5 billion years ago as the earth was forming.

@AudioScienceReview

Жыл бұрын

:)

@Audfile

Жыл бұрын

Ah, that's beautiful.

@dornauge1995

Жыл бұрын

doesnt matter since the copper gets casted again and a new crystalstructure forms, also its not clear if the dialetric actually plays a role here as danny has stated

@gbye007

Жыл бұрын

Classic. Look, even that's hard to sell to some people, though. Aren't there a group of believers in the earth being 6,000 years old. Maybe they need to burn in their copper cables because of the shorter history.

@frederf69

Жыл бұрын

😂😂🤣🤣

Danny is such a snake oil salesman. Amir absolutely destroyed him in this.

@billd9667

Жыл бұрын

Danny is not alone in this. As much as I like him, Paul McGowan at PS Audio is guilty of the same nonsense. Power cables do not carry audio signals!

@Simplyveej

Жыл бұрын

Power cables can make a difference. Why don’t you test it for yourself instead of relying on these KZreadrs. I have.

@junior-OG

Жыл бұрын

@@Simplyveej lol

@DasAntiNaziBroetchen

Жыл бұрын

@@Simplyveej Guys! We got one!

@Simplyveej

Жыл бұрын

@@DasAntiNaziBroetchen Flat earther, it isn’t hard to test. I tried two different power cables on my Sony TV, and the difference in video quality was very obvious. One caused a grainy picture, and the other was much clearer. Nothing subjective about it. Any reason why power cables cause a difference in video but not audio? Let’s just start there.

It’s a shame that this sort of behaviour is so common in the audio world. Too many lies and shady practices equating to pay checks. Thank you as always for exposing the horse shit.

@edgar9651

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't work if not so many so-called audiophiles would believe in things which don't exist. I am sure Danny will come up with a reason why the rope in that cable makes an electric difference. Yeah, sure...

@frederf69

Жыл бұрын

horse shit can be good fertiliser

@rockmusicvideoreviewer896

Жыл бұрын

its the same behavior in churches

@dingdong2103

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine a scenario: A guy uses 1000 dollars to a new power cable. He invites his friend over and puts the music on with a big grin on the face, hiding the secret. Surely they'll be blown away by the huge improvement 🤣 Nobody notices...

@spudpud-T67

2 ай бұрын

@@dingdong2103 Thats why the placebo is always a personal effect. For the friend to notice they must first be menially converted with mysticism and gaslighting.

Amir, you are a myth :-) . I'm an electronic engineer passionate for hi-fi and music and I LOVE when you debunk these crooks who sell equipment costing hundreds/thousands of dollars without giving any technical reasons or tangible results... the problem is that, even in hi-fi field (as in other hobbies like luxury watches or collecting art), there are too many people with lots of money to spend and few technical skills to be able to evaluate what is really good and what I smoke... keep it up, thanks for your work!

@fwabble

Жыл бұрын

They literally ARE crooks.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

great discovery @@fwabble

@daved5071

9 ай бұрын

‘Myth’, no. ‘Marvel’, YES 🤗

@jackdale9249

7 ай бұрын

nope he is just horrible ! banning people from the ASR forum anyone who disagrees w/ him he calls a troll and ban them he is just a cancelling creep ! like a Nazi !

@honumoorea873

6 ай бұрын

Of you think of it... Those rich people kind got their money on the back of some other people. Scolding them snake oil for good money is a way of redistributing it. I would not cry for those rich dumb people, but I would fight for a good and argumented scientific proof.

For what it's worth at least Danny provides great comedy. Thank you for the laughs Danny.

@davidcarr2216

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, have you noticed how his measurements always show a gigantic frequency dip in the crossover region of the speaker in question ? Of course, there is often such a dip but he uses an exagerated vertical scale to make all speakers (except his own , and his modded variants, no doubt) look much worse than they oftren are.

You are an honest man Amir. You do this as a hobby to expose the truth. You want nothing from anyone. You sir stopped me from going down the Audiophile rabbit hole. Just enjoy your music!!

@literalghost929

Жыл бұрын

the term audiophile has been hijacked; it means "A person having an ardent interest in stereo or high-fidelity sound reproduction.", what you're describing is an audiofool!

@adaboy4z

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy I earned my college degree by listening to instruction from educated, experienced teachers of that field. Does that not make me not smart enough. Your argument is not smart... You take the information, test it for yourself with the given data, and wow, his scientific measurements are a thing.

@HeliBenj

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy so you’re saying only trusting your subjectivity makes you a smart guy?

@literalghost929

Жыл бұрын

@@HeliBenj Subjectivity as in measurements; what is commonly known as proof and evidence? I'm pretty sure you've confused subjectivity for objectivity.

@adaboy4z

Жыл бұрын

@Ben You probably own a power conditioner, dac antivibration feet, and cable risers, huh? Lol

This is why most companies don’t respond when they have a product that isn’t as advertised. You just keep the bad press going. Thanks for the info Amir

I'm actually impressed by the audiophile community ... so much highly detailed science that only exists in their group. It's straight up amazing!

Same people claim that tubes and vinyl records have character but pay $400 to reduce some unmeasurable noise.

@IHearEverythingDude

Жыл бұрын

Haha your comment is so on point

@VinylComeback

Жыл бұрын

Exactly lol

@MassimoTava

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-he3ch most analog media has some amount of noise in the background, this is mostly part of the charm/signature of the media and not looked at as a negative but god forbid some undetectable amount of noise sneaks in via power cord.

@VinylComeback

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy True, tubes are objectively worse than solid state. But I have read about some engineers not being able to tell the master tape apart from the LP (I think Stereophile said exactly that in a review when using the Shure V-15 Type III or IV?) but the CD part sounds like bull

I challenged Danny to do a DBT of his power cables. He was quick to accept. But it became quite clear after some back and forth that he was not willing to do an actual DBT and was trying to set up a rigged test that would allow him to cheat. Danny isn't a true believer. He's a fraud.

@MikeDawson1

Жыл бұрын

can you elaborate on what you think he was trying to do?

@scottwheeler2679

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeDawson1 sure. He was insisting that a DBT was impossible and that the cables HAD to be physically swapped out. I told him that it would be easy to design a test where the cables would not need to be swapped out. He insisted that ANY switching device would induce noise. So from there I asked him to tell me what system he was planning to use and where in the system he wanted to test the power cords. He refused to answer that. I suspect he refused to answer that to avoid me designing a test using his system that would avoid physical cable swaps. I asked him for evidence that every switching device would induce noise. He refused to respond to that. I asked him how a switching device would mask the benefits of his power cord? he refused to answer that. I asked him if he understood that every preamp was in effect a switching device and did he warn his customers that use preamps in their systems that the benefits of his power cords would be masked by their preamps. At this point he resorted to ad hominem retorts with no responses to any of my questions and points. It became quite clear that he was not willing to do any "blind" listening test that he did not fully control and did not have a physical cable swap.

@gumbygreeneye3655

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he’s truly being intentionally deceptive or whether it’s the sort of cognitive dissonance taking over when one asks an awkward questions to a religious person which point out the faults in their position. Not necessarily deliberate but faulty epistemology.

@bwiz6514

Жыл бұрын

@@scottwheeler2679 Obviously, if Danny thinks all cables have a sound then he's going to think a switching device is going to have an enormous effect. I don't necessarily agree, but I believe Danny completely believes what he says, and I also think you're being obtuse about it.

@scottwheeler2679

Жыл бұрын

@@bwiz6514 Then shouldn't he be warning all of his customers that a preamp will erase any benefits his power cords have? A preamp IS a switching device. Oooor do you think he is very quick to tell his customers just how much his power cords will help improve the sound of their systems when used on their preamps? The obvious solution to his demand to physically swap out power cables would be to use a preamp to do the switching. Of course he refused to disclose what the system would actually be which prevented me from offering any such solutions to what he claims was an unsolvable problem. I don't think he believes any of his B.S. If he did why would he refuse to even disclose the system he was planning to use?

Amir, you are the most important guy in the audio business. Thanks to you all, this snake oil producers will hopefully upgrade their products or disappear from the market.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

yes, absolutely, the most important man in the audioworld!

Danny needs to watch this movie for 200 hours to understand it😂

First rate, objective analysis. Thank you, Amir.

Well done Amir. Personally I find it very difficult to engage with the sort of bad-faith arguments that plague 'high-end' audio. Snake-oil salesmen like this are a disease that's been fostered by magical thinking.

Before I encountered ASR, I was clueless.

Thanks for the follow up. I am very glad you are around to speak real scientific process!

That GR guy tried to be "relevant" on youtube, but alienated pretty much everybody in short order. His criteria for being a "legitimate" reviewer is someone who can hear differences in cables! So he values all opinions as long as they are his!

@AudioScienceReview

6 ай бұрын

I agree. He really had something good going for a while explaining crossovers, speakers in general, etc. But then got into selling useless tweaks with a straight face, losing some of the very people who liked him originally. Just lacks common sense on that front.

@fredygump5578

6 ай бұрын

@@AudioScienceReview True. He seems to have legitimate knowledge and skill. I don't doubt that. But then there's the speaker cable thing, and his famous attempt at gatekeeping the audio review hobby!

Ever since Danny called out the community saying we dont know what sounds good i stopped watching him and NRD.

@chinmeysway

2 ай бұрын

interesting.. what does the nrd guy have to do w gr guy? just curious; i can’t tell how to feel about the nrd guy, seems he’s trying to placate both science minded ppl and flat earf ppl maybe lol not sure.

Amir should hold an Awards Show for Audio Snake Oil Slimeball Salesperson of the year and Audio Snake Oil products of the year...you would have plenty to choose from...😊

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

YES BEST PROPOSITION EVER, A SNAKE Oil TROPHY CLUB, with music and on stage announcements, followed by a audioechnomeasurement award given out by the snake guys.

@chinmeysway

2 ай бұрын

i believe scientific audiophile guy would or has essentially done this lol

There is this guy going by the name "Jay" who is beginning to kiss Danny's arse. A bunch of clowns we have these days who just want to go with the flow. Thanks for clearing this up Amir.

@matthewtaylor7355

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-he3ch He's been going behind Jay's system and sorting out the jumble of his cables etc...

Danny : "Amir's super sensitive equipment can't measure the improvment of my audio cable !" Also Danny "My 300$ cable will audibly change your audio experience trust me bro !"

I really like the argument that the company should do the "burn in" if they are going to sell a cable for a lot of money.

Good job Amir exposing those charlatans. We need more people like you fighting the spread of BS on YT

Good job! In my opinion, ALL the "audiophile" power cables fall in the same mysterious magical world of performance. GR is just trying to get a chunk of the cable pie. I have the Nuprime Evolution DAC 2/Preamp, and the Evolution STA power amplifier, THD+ N .0005%, SNR over 110db, do you think it needs a $500 or $10,000 power cord to net any improvement? or sound better? The Evolution is very well designed, with high quality components, circuitry, internal power supply, and is dead silent. Stock power cord, no hocus pocus power conditioner! Spend your $$ on quality components, sit back and let the music flow! 👍👍

“ A fool and his money are soon parted “ that’s the mantra of high end cable gurus ,magic isolating pucks , shakti stones and cable jacket peddlers

Thanks for the response, your points are very well laid out and the way they were presented easy to understand. Love that you take a good hard look at these products. I find it interesting that GR Research customers are very quick to defend Danny and his products. So, I think there is something to what he is doing. Therefore, I do not think Danny is actually the issue. To me he is somebody that is trying to make a buck some of what he offers is legit other stuff not so much. What concerns me, is a wider issue of healthy skepticism and critical thinking in our culture/hobby is not readily practiced. In my interaction with fans of GR Research they all swear up and down, how satisfied they are and enjoy the sounds of the speaker mods they purchased. If that is the case no beef here, enjoy. Yet no one could give me a reason to believe that their glowing experience was nothing but confirmation bias. No one reported an experience where a stock unit and modified unit was compared/contrasted side by side. Not looking for a customer to conduct an irrefutable statistically verifiable double-blind test with a control group here, but at least try and confirm for yourself that the changes you are making to your investment actually has an audible impact for the better, over just blind faith in the mods alone.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

yes would be useful to learn to use our own ears

You and Ethan Winer are both a breath of fresh air. Thanks.

I discovered your channel today, watched multiple videos and you saved me tons of money... Thank you so much for what you do.

@GradyJarrell

11 ай бұрын

Best thing you can do is learn to listen, it takes practice . Im thinking of posting a series of videos on the subject.

Amir you have given GR invaluable advice freely to help GR grow and add integrity to their company. Thank you.

@narabdela

Жыл бұрын

GR Research? Integrity? 😂

@literalghost929

Жыл бұрын

that would likely mean bankruptcy for them.. lol

@narabdela

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Yes, that one.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

Alex Jones too sells snake oil, genius club!

I recently purchased one of these cables, used, om EBay for the bargain price of $299! I like buying used cables, saves me having to wait for them to ‘burn in’!!! I connected it between the wall mains outlet and my ‘ultra high end’, ‘world class’, ‘reference’, ‘class leading’, ‘statement’, ‘hybrid’ ‘benchmark’ power amp. Honestly??? The difference it made was phenomenal. Mot ‘night and day’, no, ‘summer and winter’. The soundstage did not extend beyond my speakers, it extended beyond the room. The bass gained heft, vut retained tight and textured. The mid range became detailed and full of body. The high frequency became so smooth and polite, I couldn’t here them. I was so impressed, I used it to power my washing machine . Again, the difference wads incredible. Spin speedincreased to 1800rpm but was incredibly smooth. The machine no longer danced around the utility room, but I tribute that to the cable’s tethering qualities, not it!s electrical properties. The caveat is that my teenage daughter used to enjoy sitting astride the machine when it reached full spin speed. That damned cable has denied her that basic, primal pleasure. So, I’ve reverted to more affordable Woolworth’s basic range of mains cables. $1.99 for a pack of 3!

Great video Amir, I consider myself a HiFi enthusiast and made my living in the late 80's and 90's as high end audio bench technician. I then worked in high end custom residential AV integration till present. I have tested, repaired,installed and heard everything. The audio review journalist have such a way with words, it's almost like pornography for the ear. The way they describe sound is an art form, I think people can get caught up especially people who are not experienced listeners and long to hear what's being described.These people become vulnerable and began to chase ghost with money buying all the snake oil.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

GR is a proficent snake oil chemist.

@kendokaaa

8 ай бұрын

I recently got into the audio hobby and coming from more technical hobbies, I was amazed by how subjective and poetic the descriptions and comparisons in a lot of reviews were. Almost nobody seems to do actual measurements, with some at best adding a frequency response chart

This clown Danny is the guy who also said that using tinker toys as cable risers improved the sound.

@dornauge1995

Жыл бұрын

because it does... tho you can easly DIY something, no need for 3000€ cable raisers

@snake614

Жыл бұрын

Obviously Danny is a religious guy. It's a matter of faith! 😂😂😂

@davidlong1786

Жыл бұрын

@@dornauge1995

@dilbyjones

Жыл бұрын

@@dornauge1995Because IT DOES

@dornauge1995

Жыл бұрын

@@dilbyjones fools... kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHyOk6WYadKZl7g.html

Thanks Amir. Love the work that you do. I admire that you have the patience and dedication to accurately measure and test something that is clearly nonsense.

I was considering them last year when I was looking at his speaker kits. After looking at several companies I ended up with going with a pair of CSS that I believe you tested and recommended. Once you go the snake oil route, all your other products become suspect. Once again, thank you for this work.

Perhaps I missed it, but it's likely that had you tested the "ultra-cryogenically treated" power cable, you would have been blown away by the sonic bliss and the incredible measurements...

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

I recently ultra-cryogenically treated my mattress bed springs, I feel to sleep better now, although it's only a slight difference.

Amir, in a recent video Danny said they are now freezing their power cables and it makes a big difference in the sound quality. Maybe the reason you didn't hear any difference is because you used an unfrozen cable? Also, maybe your headphones should be frozen so you will finally be able to hear differences in power cables. For that matter, maybe your spectrum analyzer should be frozen as well so it will be able to detect signal differences that it is currenly missing?

@khoi83

6 ай бұрын

Well and their cables cost probably 200$ more 😂

@AudioScienceReview

6 ай бұрын

:) You are on to something. Maybe all the people who hear the differences live in very cold places and keep their audio gear outdoors!!!

@rking3724

6 ай бұрын

If Danny can hear a difference, then the difference must be real - even if nobody else can hear or measure a difference. You guys just don't have the highly trained ears that Danny has. 😂😂😂😂😂 @@AudioScienceReview

@oraz.

5 ай бұрын

If you haven't heard a frozen cable you haven't lived.

@Jordonater

2 ай бұрын

So should we let them defrost first or are they better sounding when kept frozen?

Love it! I recently purchased a set of Magnepan .7 speakers and have been starting to do battle, on the user groups, with advocates, swearing “A HUGE IMPROVEMENT” by simply replacing the fuse with a large gauge silver wire. ~7AWG. “Like lifting a blanket off of the speakers” “I don’t care if I blow the tweeters and have to replace them every year”.

Excellent video Amir! You have shown conclusively that, like so many people in the hi-fi industry, Danny regularly engages in bad faith arguments. I have no patience for these people anymore.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

My patience run out as well, now I am on my own and shop and listen with my own ears.

It would be very entertaining as well to measure some $10,000+ speaker cables from established cable companies. If someone who bought them would have the guts and honesty to send them to ASR for measurements:).

Common Audio Myths I thought cables didn’t matter, so I tried running my system without them. Huge difference! -Posted in a hi-fi audio forum

Good quality cables are all you need. The difference is negligible going up the chain, and a rip-off.

Thank you for all you do. If these people were selling a $25 nice looking cable, who would care. There are so many con-men.

its about time, people need this! Take for an example in motorsport engineering there are many high performance components well engineered. They are still rigorously tested for safety and performance without all the "claims" from manufactures. But at the end of the day when all is accounted for there is a simple stop watch and lap times. You are the stop watch here and I thank you.

As usual, great review ! Very informative. Thank you Amir.

Thank you for another amusing episode of "Danny Says" 😁. And cheers for the remark on the burnin. Already forgot about it. Adam burns in all their higher end monitor speakers infactory (think with speakers it actually makes sense). With such high prices Im not gonna to do it myself, waste energy for 200+ hours lol.

Amir, Loved the presentation. Thank you!

Amir, respect for such a calm and Professional response!

Very well stated. It is so difficult to convince someone of a fact when their response is “but I know”. In this instance it is “but I can hear”, but the point is the same. And yes, the “flat earthers” are those that “believe” or “know” or “hear” but offer no proof, not those that use scientifically obtained data as proof.

@mabehall7667

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Jeremy. I really don’t want to get into with someone who wants to believe as oppose to measure. But as to my dealing with circuits, I’m a retired EE with experience in everything from controls to 132k volts. I’ve worked in many industrial plants and seen the sun come up in everyone helping electricians troubleshoot a problem. My now expired PE license didn’t make me an expert in anything but it did give an indication of my willingness to search for an answer be it from literature are experts in the field. My natural tendency is too strongly question people’s arguments when they use the phrase “it’s common knowledge” as proofs of their argument. After all, like the mechanic at one repair shop said, “it’s common knowledge” that GM developed a carburetor that could get 100 miles to the gallon but the oil companies purchased the patent to keep it off the market. Everyone knows it’s common knowledge.

Thanks, Amir! Keep holding his feet to the fire. I've also had a "discussion" in the past with Danny resulting in a very similar outcome. "His words" against my copied reviews of his new, expensive, small single driver speakers versus copied reviews of the following: Anthony Gallo A'Diva SE's, which are better, (audiophile) small single driver speakers for much less money.

@mediascapes2011

10 ай бұрын

HA I also use the Gallo A Dive SE. Great sound

Danny is one of audio's entertainers. That's what he really gets paid for. It's not his fault that some folks take him seriously.

@scientificaudiophile

Жыл бұрын

Perfect!

@nudebaboon4874

Жыл бұрын

Making potentially dangerous mains leads is serious, there's a reason why electrical stuff have a UL listing!

ASR should release a shirt that says "on this thing" on the back.

This analysis is a breath of fresh air. Thanks for these "real" tests and measurements.

Very, very well said! Danny is getting so much attention, like Paul from Ps Audio, that EVERYTHING they say, so many people take that for granted! Not even asking...he has good stuff, but it doesnt mean he knows everything. But as many in social media, as soon you get to the point of many YT-groupies/followers, they get the usual star-effect/arrogance !!

I knew I was on to something, when as a child I made an audio device by stretching a rope between two tin cans. It's shocking to learn I could have sold my invention to some audiophiles for hundreds of dollars!

@katebloggs8243

Жыл бұрын

True and false. You could sell it to an audiophile but only for thousands. Two zeros does not inspire blind belief. Three or more and kaboom!

This has caused me not to want to listen to GR research. I thought of taking my speakers to him for measurement. I restored them myself and would love see what the outcome was. They sound good to me. Thank You

Going to give a story it was years ago but a guy made a video talking about HDMI cables. I think this person actually worked at Best Buy at the time and monster the company monster cables came and showed them a $70 HDMI cable and a $700 HDMI cable, he asked around I think 25 employees that were at the meeting. What do you think? The difference between these two cables actually is guess what the monster cable representative admitted there was zero actual difference between both sets of cables. He then looked at everyone and said, so why do you think we have a $700 cable he said it is simply the market people who spend 56 $7000 on a TV. Don't believe that a $70 cable can give them a proper signal so they will spend $700 on a cable thinking it gives them a better picture all this to point out that even a monster cable representative admitted zero difference between the two cables other than the aesthetic looks of the cable, but because people simply believe in their own minds, that's why the expensive product existed

I just love your videos.

Speaking of trusting Amir. I just spent all my money on the Matrix Audio X-sabre Pro dac you recommended and I love it. Thanks!

The most astounding thing about audiophile community is - that they buy amps,dacs,headphones etc that are engineered, designed and made in factories by the help of audio engineering in other word, “science” and then refute science by saying things can’t be measured and they somehow know better than the engineers/scientists that made them. 😅

The only reason I buy some power cord is just to have a bit nicer cord. I really like to have nice and tidy speaker connections and nice power cord is just aesthetic addition. Second reason is that I can choose lenght, and use just 0,5m long instead of long default power cord. But to say that I hear any difference would be wrong. It is there just to satisfy my ocd need and have a nice power cord. Edit: I usually spend some 20-30$ on that and it looks and works great.

@shaolin95

9 ай бұрын

Yep as nice gear jewelry that's why I have some. Same for replacing the jumper plates on the speakers. I like the looks but I won't pay a lot for looks. Just a little money for decent looks and quality

If radio interference is a problem for an audio component how is it going to handle the 120V sine wave?

Danny shot himself in the foot. Some years ago, I was thinking about buying some of his speakers. At that time, I thought what he explained about the speakers made sense. And then he published some crazy videos about testing speaker cables on an antenna input. That was the moment that I realized the guy is crazy and there is no point buying anything from such a guy. Thank you, Danny, for exposing yourself. And thank you Amir for making us laugh.

@AudioScienceReview

Жыл бұрын

I too liked his early videos talking about crossovers and such. As you, it did not take long to see his other side which run completely counter to his measurement focused speaker/crossover work.

@jon1810

Жыл бұрын

Interesting - can someone be really good at doing something, say like being the President of the US, and then, be completely useless and broken in his personal life? I’ve seen that happen multiple times. Danny is an excellent DIY speaker designer who puts a good product out for a budget price. Is he out there on some of this other stuff? Yep. But to throw the baby out with the bath water is ignorance and intolerance at its finest.

@edgar9651

Жыл бұрын

@@jon1810 Crossovers and cables are based on the same science. You can't be good in crossovers (and wires between parts and wires to the drivers) and at the same time an idiot about cables. Danny shows measurements for his work on his crossovers. But for cables no measurements. That makes no sense at all!

@jon1810

Жыл бұрын

@@edgar9651 You are not correct there. Designing a crossover is all about science through measurement. Now - if you’re saying that the parts and wires being used after the science is conducted make no difference, ok then (cheap parts or “cheese” as Danny calls it vs. Premium parts). He still does design the crossover the correct way with measurements (unlike the guys who do it “all by ear”)

Excellent! Thank you Amir, once again.

The placebo effect, in my opinion, is a force that we often underestimate but should not overlook. The reason I find the placebo effect so fascinating is that it is deeply rooted in the fundamental workings of our brains. Think about how many times we have complimented friends or family simply to uplift their spirits. Surprisingly, even if we know that the compliments are not entirely true, they can still have a positive impact. This demonstrates the immense power of the placebo effect. In the realm of audio, we encounter similar situations. For instance, if someone asserts that cable A is superior to cable B, our initial skepticism may arise. However, our brains tend to bias us towards confirming that statement as true, even if we harbor doubts. This cognitive bias is a product of the placebo effect at play. To counteract the influence of the placebo effect, measurements are the only way to remove this bias . While measurements may not always be perfect and can occasionally miss certain nuances, they remain the most reliable method to confirm facts. By relying on measurements, we a introduce a high level of objectivity into our evaluations and ensure that our judgments are grounded in tangible evidence. without measurements , anything anyone tells you at any time will have an affect on your thoughts and ideas, without proof the effect on you mind is in effect a placebo until proven.

@jabezhane

Жыл бұрын

having paid several hundred or thousands of dollars for something really really helps with this effect. You are "totally invested" at that point. You need it to be better!

@jabezhane

Жыл бұрын

@Jeremy It's called "it better sound better cos if the wife finds out how much I spent on a bit of wire, I'm a dead man!"

"Your system's not resolving enough" (come buy my shitty, 25 year old capacitors), to "wow! It made a difference on my $299 budget streamer " . Yeah, you nailed that dichotomy perfectly. Danny is full of shit, and I discovered this as an early audiophile, via experience with GR. My first speaker was a GR Mod, still have it, several speaker and wire tours, and realizing none of the claims made any sense and his speakers weren't even that great.

@GradyJarrell

11 ай бұрын

What about his speaker connectors? I was suspect

A very expensive cable HAS to sound better, otherwise you would have to admit to yourself that you were ripped off.

@literalghost929

Жыл бұрын

Yep, much more comfortable to think others can't hear the difference because of their bad system or hearing, than realizing that the cables make zero difference and not only did you waste your time, money and energy, but you made a complete fool of yourself.. I couldn't do it myself, but amazing how so many prefer to live in delusion rather than reality. Many parallels to be drawn.

@dornauge1995

Жыл бұрын

@@literalghost929 you are just as stuborn as you say these "audiophiles" are, kinda funny but i understand that its easier to rely on what can actually be measured, we shouldnt question the audibility of differences but actually of measurements showing differences with the claim of "audible threshold" to get maybe one step closer to the truth

@literalghost929

Жыл бұрын

@@dornauge1995 How am I stubborn? Show me reliable evidence or give me reasonable information about how power cables can make a difference and I'll change my beliefs. It's been proven that the cable has no effect on the audio signal. What more do you want? The content of the CD is reproduced with 100% accuracy. Perfect. Identical with both cables.

@DasAntiNaziBroetchen

Жыл бұрын

@@dornauge1995 You are basically arguing that non-scientific views should be given the exact same credibility as scientific views. Do you even know a single thing about human history?

It is the Emperor’s new clothes: Only the anointed audiophiles can hear the difference!

Thanks Amir! Hopefully if you keep pointing out reality more folks will get it and stop buying these ridiculous products!

I built and ran professional recording studios, after starting out in hifi when it was objective. My degree is in psychology. It has been clear to me for over 30 years of dealing with subjective hifi people that the key to this sort of delusion lies in the psychology of hearing - and/or sales!

@matthewtaylor7355

Жыл бұрын

Some things cannot B explained by scientific measuring devices.. This is a truism... Freud's classic "The Uncanny" proves this... I have suggested Amir read this... He hasn't..

@GradyJarrell

11 ай бұрын

@@matthewtaylor7355 I agree with Amir but to be fair you can hear things that can not be measured.

Unfortunately, science is powerless compared to the lies of greed! Huge respect for sharing your knowledge!

The only important thing is what comes out the audio XLRs (or rca). I 'upgraded' some equipments PSU and I could clearly measure less noise on the power rails, but guess what? No difference in noise at the XLR outputs! My hard work was pointless, so I never sold it to anybody. 😢 PSRR?

@Audio_Simon

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-he3ch What a stupid comment.

I am no expert, but what can cables do to the quality of the signal coming through the line?

I really appreciate the content. You picked up a lot of things that I would have missed, like "wait a minute, that's how ANC headphones work". Danny uses a lot of pseudoscience that non-engineers struggle to refute.

Now you have done this I hope you can spend the time you do your videos with new reviews of audio components!

@AudioScienceReview

Жыл бұрын

Yeh I need to get back to that....

Excellent work Amir👍

Please keep doing what you do,Being 76 years old i can smell BS .

Thank you Amir for this follow up. It is important to set the record straight. What DR opens here is just embarrassing.

Amir you are my favorite audio KZreadr thank you for everything you do

Fair points, well made.

Amir, I am so happy to have found your channel. I am an EE, and I have faced these questions from audio-fools in the past. They do not accept explanations. They enjoy spending money on crap - just for the 'look what I have', my system is better than yours kind of BS. So now I can send them to you - excellent work. Thanks. Unfortunately in this specific case I am embarrassed since my name is Dan, mom called me Danny,.... LOL

Hi Amir, just discovered your channel and being a believer in the impact of cables (and all components in the chain) your null-test really was an eyeopener! As you say, there is no disputing the results of such a test. One thing that would be really educational to see: a scenario where the null-tests actually gives an audible result. That is, if you change a cable, a component etc. and the null tests actually shows a difference. Maybe not so much related to this video but as really good input on how to show what actually improves/changes the sound and what does not. Just an idea 😊 Anyway, thank you for bringing more logic and science to the audiophile domain.

@AudioScienceReview

6 ай бұрын

Hi there. Good suggestion. It is always good to have a positive control. Will consider it next time I do a cable review.

@justinparkman3585

10 күн бұрын

Russ Andrews were taken to court many years ago because they couldn't prove their cables worked. but go away with it by saying prove they don't work .

Love this channel. If what you find is what you find then that is it. If what you find is not good then , to me the manufacturer of what ever product you tested should then want to address the issues you have found . Been into music , playing , recording ,building , installing rigs, and trying all things to make them better over the years .Unfortunately, in every price point, there are a lot of BS claims about everything. Please , he doesn't listen to his end products did I hear that correct.

@GradyJarrell

11 ай бұрын

yes you heard that correctly. He doesn't need to cause he already knows what it will sound like. His words not mine.

Danny is in the business of selling expensive power cords, caveat emptor.

I find it hilarious how he starts the video saying "A company called GR Research ( AKA Danny Richie) and the Company (AKA Danny Richie) made a video responding to that...." 🤣🤣

Thanks to the very good down to earth video!

Great video, and I am a fan of yours! I was thinking that for a 'veil' test and to see what it might appear in the response graph - if we take a sample normally and then put a bit of an acoustically non transparent cloth on the speaker and take measurements again, can we not know which frequencies are affected how much? And then look for such patterns b/w null tests (I know this cable is junk, but generally speaking)

I think it's comical when you believe a line graph or a measurement on a piece of high dollar equipment can be the final say in how something can sound, and I'm not referring to just power cables, mainly audio cables and gear in general. Rooms and multitudes of different gear play a part....heck you all probably believe a pro amp for a PA system sounds better than some high-end tube gear based on the "measurements" Many sit back and laugh at how not listening to something is how you can tell how something sounds...it's flat-out baffonery but keep up the great work...lol. Sidemote, I truly admire the dedication to understanding how something measures, I feel you all actually have a leg up on the high-end lab gear....but.... you can't tell how something tastes...without actually tasting it. Let that sink in. 0:03

If you raise it on a power cable lifter “wood tinker toys” it sounds even better

@AudioScienceReview

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Next they will say that red tinker toys sound warmer than blue ones when used that way!

Where would we be without Danny. If you ever happen to engage him the guy is a real trip to talk to, that's for sure...

@johnbravo7542

Жыл бұрын

Yeah....he's tripping,he's just a snake oil salesman,looking for any scam to make money

Amir!..Thanks Much!.

Great work! The industry needs you to keep dubious salesmen honest. Or at least expose their lies as they still seem to have no qualms about lying even in the face of evidence.

Looking forward to Danny's response to this...

Is there a diference in sound if the crossover of a speaker is made of hi end capacitors resistors inductors vs simple capacitors resistors inductors?¿? Can u do a test like that and provide measurements ???

@roybatty-

8 ай бұрын

Not a huge difference. Definitely not worth mutilating a beautiful perfectly functional speaker, voiding your warranty and potentially damaging your product. You may not even like the change and you can't return stuff you soldered and crimped. Think, he's changing some coils and capacitors but it is the same tweeter, woofer and speaker design. It will be essentially the same speaker. Waste of money.

Danny is apparently a snake oil salesman that spent a week and learned how to run crossover design software. He apparently does an OK job of this most of the time and then screws the deal by selling needlessly high priced audiophile approved capacitors and coils. It is sad how many people give him money.

I bought some knock-off power cables from Ali Express. Same issue with the pins. Too thick to comfortably plug in. Learned my lesson.

@matthewtaylor7355

Жыл бұрын

Least they r cheap

I have a couple of garden hose size cables. I bought them for looks 😅Knowing how thin the wiring is behind the wall, speaker internal wiring, and the IEC of any individual component, it’s silly to think power cables are critical.

@epi2045

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-he3ch All hobbies are a kind of lunacy to a point. It’s actually needed. Audio is a side hobby of mine… the others are boats and cars. There’s even more lunacy there.

Psycho-acoustics is rampant in High-End audio. Vendors use it to legitimize manufacturing and pushing ridiculous products on to (hopefully rich...) unsuspecting audio lovers, many of which have been made to believe they can hear "a difference" while in fact it is all inside their gullible heads. To me it is fraud, plain and simple. Please PLEASE keep doing these kinds of video's Amir