Very interesting. Are you going to do another video on melting the precious metals down? I'm curious on seeing the finished weight.

@troyrowe2559

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely that would be awesome to see!

@tireballastserviceofflorid7771

3 жыл бұрын

He has several videos demonstrating smelting. Usually small scale to very small scale.

@user-zs1fq5mq9i

9 ай бұрын

@@tireballastserviceofflorid7771oi 16:01

The main issue you’re going to have is getting it fine enough. It needs to be crushed down to 400-500 mesh to get the higher quality gold from the chip plastics. You’d be loosing most bond wires unless you do so which is where the majority of the PMs will be unfortunately. Going from the shredder to a hammer mill , then mixing it with water and a detergent to break surface tension, and from there slowly add to shaker table. Huge difference that I believe is more than worth the time and yield difference.

Try not to get one of those old Nokia phones in there. It might break your machine.

@michaelfenn6085

3 жыл бұрын

he should replace the hammers with them :P

@jakefranklin269

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfenn6085 if the hammer was made with a Nokia and he tried to crush another Nokia he may create a black hole.

@garydunn9418

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakefranklin269 lol!

@garydunn9418

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfenn6085 the famous 3310

@hardworkingamerican8847

2 жыл бұрын

I still have mine in a drawer .

I’ve been to a couple locations that shred. Boards to ship to smelters and both had dust collectors. I’m not exact on the numbers but for every thousand lbs of boards they we’re getting 2+ lbs of dust. They smelted 3/5 lbs at time and get two to three once’s of metals.

The dust that is flying away has micro particals of gold and platinum,etc.,,

@cecilforbes3034

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh and they just watch him work instead of holding the bucket closer

Whenever I look at a pc board I think ball mill. So many tiny components. Reduce it to dust. Set your splitter to capture all copper and heavier. Melt the lot. Some fiberglass in the mix isn't a problem, no different than silica sand. Purify the copper via electrolysis, and your goodies will be in the sludge. I know it's easy to fixate on the gold, but I think you'll get a better precious yield taking it as a byproduct of copper purification.

@Enjoymentboy

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. I really don't see the shaker table being effective at recovering the nano particles of silver and palladium from the mlccs. TBH I'd run it through the hammer mill then pyrolise it all and then smelt the ash. There should be enough copper already there to act as a collector metal and as you pointed out the fiberglass wouldn't be an issue. Might even help. Then re-melt the ingots into proper bars/plates and run through the electro-cell. I think this would get a much more pure copper recovery and a more through PM recovery.

@GeoffBosco

3 жыл бұрын

@@Enjoymentboy PCB board contain all kinds of dangerous to burn chemicals. Do not burn PCBs please.

@Enjoymentboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoffBosco ​ Well, burning and pyrolizing aren't the same thing but I understand your concerns. I have worked with an electronics recycler and this is one of the things that is commonly done to get rid of the organics. If it is done without O2 and at a high enough temp you can actually recover much of it as an oil. Typically it is just burned off though. I have watched as a recycler just shovelled ground up boards into a crucible left to vent to the open air as it heated. And this was done by the metric tonne. When pyrolizing the organics can be basically distilled off leaving the solids behind making it a reasonably safe way to separate things. The only other ways to get rid of the organics would be solvent extraction or by chemical means such as with sulfuric acid both of which have their own serious negative drawbacks and disposable problems. Unfortunately this is just one of the consequences of electronic recycling: getting rid of all the nasty stuff to get at the good stuff.

@GeoffBosco

3 жыл бұрын

@@Enjoymentboy Interesting. I'm following advice from things I've read on the goldrefiningforum. The safety advice there always seems a bit overly cautious, so this does seem like something I might need to look further into.

@Enjoymentboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoffBosco However you proceed I can only advise following your local regulations, doing it as safely as possible and taking whatever precautions you can to minimise risk. Now what I would personally do is set it up so that the vapours from the pyrolisis are funnelled into the air stream of a propane burner in a forge. Burn them off at a VERY high temp and make use of them as a fuel when melting. Two birds as it were. Sure it's extra work and time but if the end result is a better option then I'd consider it worth it. I do believe that if the system is setup properly risks can be removed.

Looking forward to seeing the assay results of #!,2, mid, and tailings. Nice video!

That seems a safer way to liberate the materials. Let us know what the final number is? Two thumbs

Really would love to see a follow up video with recovery percentages w/ your timed mechanical method vs. wet chemical recovery. Before I get beaten up online I understand that there are other many other factors involved. You have us thinking. 👍

You got exelent machine mate. Love to watch your videos!

@geneplummer6645

3 жыл бұрын

surprised finding you here lol, wouldn't ya love to have a bucket of that

@999DusanGoldrecovery

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahha yea, lot people have to put hands on that bucket!

@cditzler6313

3 жыл бұрын

whats up gold man?

@FollowMe2aMillion

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dusan, machines like this would make refining so easy lol.

@999DusanGoldrecovery

3 жыл бұрын

@@cditzler6313 hy man.

That shaker table is really a beautiful invention!

I appreciate the videos like this that have application for those of us who don't have access to mining ground. Thanks.

Thanks for all the videos. I got the gold fever shortly after I began watching them. My wife finally let me buy a claim in central Wyoming.

Those "ceramic blocks" actually contain a length of thick copper wire in them, not silver. Not all IC's contain Gold. The particular ones that were pointed to in the beginning of the video actually contain NO GOLD. they are known as "Flip Chips" where the silicon die is Flipped upside down and the contacts are directly touching the copper traces beneath, whereas the two other chips on that board which have the black plastic tops on them contain most of your gold as Small bonding wires. BTW, a .8mm slot may not be sufficient to liberate the gold from these ic's. The gold bonding wires are almost Microscopic. The Gold is inside the black epoxy, so It's better to incinerate the ic's and then crushing them separately.

@mrgreenswelding2853

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, exactly.

@travismiller5548

3 жыл бұрын

That guy didn't really know the difference between an MLCC and an inductor.

@dfsilversurfer

Жыл бұрын

@@travismiller5548 perhaps!, perhaps not.?.. He's giving it a good go and jumping in with his two feet to learn and sharing his experience . Trying to shame someone for not knowing something is not needed . This is a learning platform and not fb . As such bet he has learnt who the idiot in a list of comments might be .

Such a beautiful setup you have I am so jealous 😍 not really but your mind seems to work the same way as mine have a shit ton of old cell phones and other scrap that I want to dump and get separated from the gold and silver. I am an expert at scrapping copper for 40 years and its not worth the effort but the gold certainly is

Great Video! Loved seeing the process :)

I was hoping to see a smelt. Have a Great Day!

Thank you Jason 👍

Just like a kid with a new toy my favorite is the shaker table.🐎✌️

I would like to see a video where you seperate the precious metals from each other. Right now it's just a bucket of mixed scrap

You should grind that stuff in a more fine and homogeneous powder. For now I think you're losing a lot of secondary elements in capacitors, resistors, diodes, etc. like nickel, gallium, antimony, tantalum, and rare earth elements. It would be cool to actually recover all of them, even in a mix that you can check with the x-ray spectrometer.

@xxxm981

3 жыл бұрын

this so much. always makes me sad af to think all that rotting in a dump in africa somewhere

Из России с уважением! Интересный подход к переработке электронного лома!

are you gonna show the rest of the process for this batch?

Quero ver esse ouro refinado 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Don’t put any Nokia’s in there you will break your mill

@Serasphiel

Жыл бұрын

Too true 😂

Sweet got tuned👍🏾

When I worked for Ma Bell back in the early 1980's, our crew was doing a tear-out of old switching gear. Old school analog signal drivers. They circuits had to be extremely 'quiet', any electrical noise from the PCB itself was unacceptable. Ceramic PCB's, not a spec of epoxy fiberglass in sight! Heavy silver traces, over-coated with gold. Surface mounted parts, brazed with silver alloys, over-coated in gold in separate process. Sadly, a security team had gone through the work site and cataloged/photographed all the gold-plated equipment. Two guys got sticky fingers, two guys found work somewhere else. I scraped the metal off one corner of a small PCB; I was shocked to see how much yellow metal came off before white metal was visible! Even more surprised to see how much white metal came off before I hit ceramic! The silver was easily 0.2-0.3 mm thick, gold about 1/3 of that! Little pile of gold shavings, next to a much bigger pile of silver shavings. Them was the days.

@GeoffBosco

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the day the methods used to coat PMs onto components were very imprecise. It’s funny how gold/silver hasn’t even remotely kept up with inflation, but somehow these huge companies feel the need to devise methods to limit the amount of the PM coatings to no more than is absolutely necessary. The R&D on those factors couldn’t have been inexpensive.

@VitoDRF

3 жыл бұрын

I have a bunch (like 30lbs worth) of gold, silver and platinum-printed ceramic panels from an old biosensor production line. The prints are nice and thick, I just need to take the time to recover the metals.

Very good 👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

This thing separates that material immediately. Impressive machine

When did you decide to try out electronics in one of your systems? It never would have occurred to me but the principal is all the same. Grind it up, separate the heavy stuff from the light stuff. Brilliant!

Would there be any benefit of rerunning the #3 middlings to try to get a better copper/fiberglass separation?

I know you have vested interest in the answer to this question-if you bother to take the time to answer it at all-but is there any practical way to set up a smaller rig like this that won’t be a waste of time sending pcbs through a small mill several times. Or do you really need this kind of heavy duty rig-like the ones you sell-to do the job without any headaches?

So much gold just flying away

I love this table....👍👍👍

You should have a mask on when grinding up those boards bud, the dust is real nasty. But that was nice to watch the process working so well. Can we have a smelting follow up ?

Very cool. Wow

Wanted to know if/what you're running for a surfactant? Dawn JetDry or something similar to break surface water tension so seperation is easier. The vid was interesting, ddont know if there's enough of this type of recycling h er free e stateside

Please compare shaker table recovery versus gold cube 4 stack and sluice in tandem. Discuss how your shaker table is worth the significant extra cost please. Thanks for the interesting content. Also would like to see a large amount of hot rocks crushed to see what can be purified - smelted - XRF

It amazes me how people figured out these processes… like who first thought about panning gold in a river? Ya know? Who figured out that gold is heavier and can be shaken to the bottom like that?

Dont run a magnet over it like u did last time hahahahahahaha

when do you plan on extending your shaker table ? and what other precious metals do you collect out of the product other than gold and silver ?

Can't wait to see the followup video regarding yields. My guess is 140g per ton gold and 225g per ton silver on the cellphone boards.

@GeoffBosco

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve come to expect very little analysis from this channel, so I wouldn’t expect any follow up. Also it looks like this was filmed a while back, since they’re all wearing winter coats and no leaves on any of the trees.

@yardmine

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeoffBosco sometimes you just gotta put the things you want out into the universe and see what happens

@GeoffBosco

3 жыл бұрын

@@yardmine Dont mean that to sound bitchy-these vids are gold simply because there's nothing else like the on KZread. I just wish he'd go deeper sometimes.

If you take a cast iron pan and fill it with sand then put it over a burner (like a turkey fryer) you can lay those cell phone boards on the sand and all the little parts will desolder leaving you with just the board and the gold on it. Same can be done with the large boards to free up those parts and leave a lot of that solder behind.

@maddogmaz1576

2 жыл бұрын

How long would your method take to do 30 tons?

@mp0391

2 жыл бұрын

@@maddogmaz1576 First, it takes forever. Once you do it there's no turning back. Second, the problem. How big is your pan?You shouldn't even try it if you're math skills are that poor. Find your common denominator then hit the desk.

Nice separation.

Great job camera man

Stratification is neat

really cool machine :)

What do you do with all the leftover water? How much of it did you use?

You gonna make video of smelting it all down and how much was recovered I hope. I'm sure you will tho. I really would like to have a set up like you someday.

The whole shaker table process is based on density right?

Hi Jason... What is next? Smelting? Chemical purification?

Also what about the waste product what does it cost to dispose of how do you then separate the g/p silver etc elements.

Man I would love to know what is needed to operate and set up like this. Working in the government we would have pallets of electronic boards and potential precious metals sent to the recycle or Gov auctions. This would be super fun to recover the metals from vs hard rock or placer mining so much less material to deal with. But I am sure it has its on problems like mining would.

seems to me that using your hammermill out in the open and the wind blowing that you would loose a lot of gold and other particles , mabey a wind protector around 3 sides of the collector barrel ?

Some years ago my employers imploded and (among other things) we had to scrap a lab full of circuit boards. My boss made sure they were no longer serviceable with a hammer and an anvil. Then they went off to be processed, much like this.

are you able to upload in 1080p or higher? heaps better viewing! thanks

So if gold is layered and we can see it floating in water after release, how exactly do you capture flakes of gold? if they do not sink....

I actually watch this whole video. Interesting for sure but what I really want to know is who made that machine and how long did it take. I found it fascinating.

@dfsilversurfer

Жыл бұрын

That was my first thought..... Looks like a professionally manufactured industrial equipment maybe brought thru retailer or could be well designed and made at home job.

@hobowalker1

Жыл бұрын

@@dfsilversurfer He makes them. That’s his company, link is in the description.

With electronic scrap if its cell phones you first bath the circuit boards with NaOH then pickle it with HCL acid to loosen the plated pins and contacts before all this de populated the circuit boards ie remove black chips ,capacitors and any iron meaning transformers. I remember you tried this before using your standard equipment and ending up with bronze and gild ingots good for sculptures but not good for recycling your machinery is geared for mining and not recycling.

ought to turn all this fiberglass you make into like, obsidian. I'd buy recycled obsidian dice or something.

Hey! If anyone knows, is there a difference between cell phone and smart phone gold percentage? thanks.

I was really confused as to why your client would want it done this way at first. All the PMs are mixed in a mountain of copper. And then I thought, maybe he’s making an electrolytic copper cell. Which would make .999 copper and leave the PMs and other trash metals, in the sludge to recover.

@Slavicplayer251

3 жыл бұрын

nah probably would melted the mix down with added lead then cupel the lead to get the pms

What is the rough cost for this set up??

Looking forward to a smelt

Hey Jason. Another cool and interesting experiment. I was wishing to see each batch split in half after the final hammer mill. Half was Inciderated and run through the shaker table. The other half went through the hammer mill to shaker table. Then smelted and pouring each batch separately. Then have it analyzed to get the true percentage of precious metals within all the batches. My problem here is how micro thin the precious metals are applied that will not allowing a true separation by weight. My thinking is. Your #2 will actually have a higher percentage of gold. #1 will have a higher percentage of copper all due to the differences between mass. I hope there is a part 2 because I'm going to lose sleep over this one. L0L. Best wishes and keep up the good work.

I have questions that might help other people. All the components come off motherboards easily. You don't need an expensive BGA machine to take the parts off, a $40 hot air gun would work, and some of the hole-through parts almost fall off using a solder pot. Would it be worth the extra time to take all the components like ceramic caps for palladium, northbridge, southbridge, sound chips gold pins and separate them from the resistors, plastic solid caps, fiberglass, and plastic components that have nothing? It seems like it would be more concentrated or does it not matter? We're going to be busting up the components with hammers by hand. also seems like all the extra stuff would weaken the acids later on. My friend that has been scrapping copper wants to try gold scrapping and I have a 1 gallon half full bag of, or should I say a concentrated bag of just parts, old gold-plated transistors, quartz tuning crystals with gold plating, and old connector pins, microprocessors... I have been troubleshooting electronics since I was a kid in the '70s and worked as an engineering tech on PMC industrial motherboards for 11 years. I have been teaching my friend which components have scrap value and which components have no value because I know what's inside them, and how they are made because that is what I do in this work field, but I know nothing about scrapping. I've always heard that gold scrapping isn't worth it unless having a lot of parts so I collected enough to try it now.

@troytaylor1913

Жыл бұрын

I read if the chips die gets overheated the silicon gets baked like a glass brick then the acids can't dissolve the silicon with gold in it. I am not sure if I believe that but I know nothing about scrapping.

What happens if you add a little water to cath the fine dust?

Nice separation.what about copper per torn

Has anyone ever told you you resemble Parker Schnabel from the "Gold Rush" series on TV.

I would think you would get a substantial amount of lead from solder mixed in with the heavy metals.

Would be interesting to melt it down an get an xrf reading of the different gradings.

What was the yield on each cut?

What do you do with all that plastic and fiberglass? Can it be recycled, or is this end of life?

Lots of palladium in the older motherboards

Nice job mate. How many liters of water was used in the process?

@olawlor

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a closed loop system, the same water is recycled as long as the table is set up.

Can't figure in which bucket end up the lead, the zinc, the tin from the soldering...

My dear friend, have a good time..and happy new year..my friend, what is the price of the machine for isolating materials...the vibrator

How much does a machine cost? I'm guessing you modified it a bit, but just curious.

Could you mix that fiberglass with cement to make a render product. may be suitable to make concrete culvert pipes.

The bigger square ic's probably have tantalum as well

I'm guessing the #3 and #4 prob had a lot of zinc, or would that end up in #2?

@Slavicplayer251

3 жыл бұрын

nah 3 & 4

I'm not surprised in the least cuz I know how much copper are in the boards but one would think if yall want to do it larger scale this way depopping the boards are the only way to go then a nice run in diluted nitric on heat not sure how it will react with all the alum and lead from the caps very glad you finally put gloves on I hated gloves but now I pay for my carelessness with kidney problems I think your system would be totally the best way to get the copper from boards and leave the components to the chemists haha

Hello, how cost this machine shredder?

Yeah boi!

Sir i have to buy a shaker table. How..??

Would a double run separate the number one down further? Would that make economic sense?

Are you losing some material in that chaff that's blowing off? Probably not a lot, but some kind of hood on the end would capture that.

Sir I want to extract nitric acid from nickel which chemical can I get out

There are some psycho computer nerds I watch on KZread that would love to have those HP server MBs...

Those boards only have the Memory slots removed, that is not depopulated. You most at least remove the BGA and Any IC's, to process separately, the memory slots could stay on. there is a lot of gold still in all of the flat packs in the last slot

How much is lead?

how much for a ton of boards?

Do you think you’re losing gold in the dust that is flying away after being crushed? Maybe doing this wet would save more gold??

How much do you pay for e waste?

Is there gold in modern smartphones still?

Hi plss someone tell me where can I buy scrap cellphone boards?plss

Wouldn't a ball mill give you better separation of metals as it would break down the material finer.

Looks healthily

How much would you get from a kilo of pins please I have a lot to do

I kept waiting for you to show us how much of each material you actually recovered so this was kind of a disappointing video but still fun to watch.