Goku VS Omni-Man: Who Would Win?

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Goku VS Omni-Man: Who Would Win? By far one of Image Comics' greatest works of art is easily Invincible, a superhero series full of amazing characters, savage battles, and very powerful adversaries. Invincible, Mark Grayson, is the main character of the series with the same name, but his father, Omni-Man, is just as widely recognized and has certainly gained a lot of traction over the past year. Within the VS communities, Omni-Man has also been part of discussions and debates regarding which characters he could defeat and which ones would be able to best him in combat.
A character that is also widely popular and could give him a tough battle is certainly Son Goku from Dragon Ball Z, the low-class Saiyan warrior raised on Earth that eventually surpassed the elite and unleashed the legend of the iconic, Super Saiyan form against the space tyrant, Frieza. If he were to face off against Omni-Man, would he be able to win with ease, with heavy difficulty, or outright lose to the Viltrumite king? Watch the video and find out!
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  • @Chuck
    @Chuck2 жыл бұрын

    Please watch the video before you comment since the matchup is obviously using Namek Saga Goku! I hope you guys enjoyed it! Huge thanks to all of you for helping me get over 150,000 subscribers and special thanks to Ridge for hooking me up with dope merch. I suggest you guys check them out and use my code to save some cash! Go to ridge.com/CHUCKTCC To answer some questions/concerns and clear up some stuff. . . . . 1. "Why is this even a matchup?"- Because we thought the battle was competitive and interesting, mainly due to the disproportionate speed and power between both characters. Yes, even Saiyan Saga Goku's AP would be dangerous to Omni-Man, but he would not have the speed nor the durability to withstand and solidly hit Omni-Man. We thought Namek Saga Goku (Ginyu Force/Frieza arc) would fit better because Goku's speed would be massively multiplied enough that it would even out the fight and somewhat allow him to react and not be massively speed blitzed. Basically, OM's speed and stamina would allow him to wear down Goku over time. Getting hit by several planetary strikes ain't a big deal at first, but if he got hit by several of them rapidly, it would definitely wear him down. For example, say you're fighting rats. Individually they cannot really hurt you. But if thousands+ of them came at you before you could even react, they could certainly do more damage. I'd say that Goku doesn't HAVE to transform to hurt Omni-Man, but I do believe he would HAVE to transform/multiply his power (using Kaioken or SSJ) to actually hit him. I didn't clear this up in the video, so I apologize for that! 2. "Invincible didn't kill God Spawn"- I know he didn't, and I didn't mean to infer that if that was the case. I was just pointing out that Spawn has been capable of crazy feats like that. Even the average spawn during this time had pretty impressive feats, which would scale Omni-Man higher for sure alongside Supreme and other crossover material, which I would like to cover in the future.

  • @admiralkipper4540

    @admiralkipper4540

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers big boi

  • @nota13xxsfbiagent32

    @nota13xxsfbiagent32

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like Omni man more, but goku wins due to feats. That’s my opinion.

  • @Namato360

    @Namato360

    2 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for toxic comments.

  • @Drip7914

    @Drip7914

    2 жыл бұрын

    What’s the point in making this video when chi chi solos and invincible fans know that? And before people say I’m joking I’m not and I can prove it if u want

  • @Namato360

    @Namato360

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Drip7914 Ok?

  • @valleymoto10
    @valleymoto102 жыл бұрын

    Are we forgetting that Omni Man has no ranged attacks. That's a MASSIVE advantage for Goku

  • @Firstsurugi

    @Firstsurugi

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it's not. The moment Goku realized his beam attacks put him at such an advantage, he'd stop using them to create fairer conditions for their fight.

  • @Reece657

    @Reece657

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Firstsurugi that... actually makes alot of sense

  • @flewis02

    @flewis02

    2 жыл бұрын

    Eye beams aren't ranged attacks?

  • @zye4809

    @zye4809

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@flewis02 When has Omni Man used Eye Beams? I've only watched the show so I haven't seen anything past Mark getting folded.

  • @2miligrams

    @2miligrams

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Firstsurugi you're right

  • @theannouncer5538
    @theannouncer55382 жыл бұрын

    Characters in invincible are known for having more blood in the body than actual space for that blood

  • @pablogomesoliveira2677

    @pablogomesoliveira2677

    2 жыл бұрын

    Baki characters too 😂

  • @darkagestreams5207

    @darkagestreams5207

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pablogomesoliveira2677 amazing reference

  • @rx5grx5g83

    @rx5grx5g83

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why we forgetting nosebleeds in Anime

  • @agenti4734

    @agenti4734

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pablogomesoliveira2677 unlimited blood supply. Save for Doyle, his character is bugged

  • @undeadbatman9762

    @undeadbatman9762

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mortal Kombat characters:

  • @DktorClzn
    @DktorClzn Жыл бұрын

    Something that many do not take into account about Dragon Ball, is that the speed of the fighting is absurd, we are talking about that every time the scale of power increases, the ones who were left behind are not even able to see the combat.

  • @lowkeyarki7091

    @lowkeyarki7091

    9 ай бұрын

    Yeah, and it was already at the point where even Tien's 3rd eye couldn't keep up with Goku and Vegeta in the Buu arc. After that, it just kept on increasing exponentially.

  • @yaboygoodvibes1397

    @yaboygoodvibes1397

    8 ай бұрын

    Raditz was capable of the speed of light and Goku is near infinitely faster and stronger than Raditz now

  • @MyAramil

    @MyAramil

    6 ай бұрын

    Let's take the claim freiza had during the battle on namek as true. That it took 5 minutes to explode. Since it's about 8 episodes thar equates to each minute being .05 seconds each and even then during the fight they where moving fast. Since we often see scenes where others can barely keep up but you hear the fighting sounds it kinda gives credence to this idea as well. Since they cut back and forth in other fights where we see the different characters perspectives.

  • @jorandom3769

    @jorandom3769

    5 ай бұрын

    @@yaboygoodvibes1397goku was the speed of light at 12

  • @Crownedkingseth

    @Crownedkingseth

    5 ай бұрын

    Exactly

  • @gandharzero
    @gandharzero Жыл бұрын

    Goku.He would power down (massively) to make it a fair fight. But even then i'm not sure if Omniman would be able to hit him once.

  • @ssfbob456

    @ssfbob456

    Жыл бұрын

    Goku at his weakest now is still on the level of gods, it's really getting to the point of insanity with him and Vegeta.

  • @blankyabyss6163

    @blankyabyss6163

    Жыл бұрын

    nah omniman is beerus lvl

  • @xen9221

    @xen9221

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blankyabyss6163 that's just so false it's insane. He struggles with slightly powered humans, he's not beefing with god.

  • @lancetheking7524

    @lancetheking7524

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@blankyabyss6163 you're trolling right? Cause Freeza would go 3rd form and turn him into a krillin

  • @fight1316

    @fight1316

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blankyabyss6163 yeah yeah of course 😂 maybe in you dream

  • @jaydennjones946
    @jaydennjones9462 жыл бұрын

    Breaking News: Omni-man bitch slapped to death, after mystery man asked him his power level

  • @capaintroll2266

    @capaintroll2266

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lmfao

  • @helostbeforeacceptit2751

    @helostbeforeacceptit2751

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lmaoooo

  • @revenantronin8377

    @revenantronin8377

    2 жыл бұрын

    got me

  • @bigmoe3661

    @bigmoe3661

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @capaintroll2266

    @capaintroll2266

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@helostbeforeacceptit2751 your name is perfect

  • @DrPinkieDie
    @DrPinkieDie2 жыл бұрын

    Considering goku can throw hands with someone who literally sneezes stars into oblivion im gonna go with Goku

  • @chrisdudedurian1305

    @chrisdudedurian1305

    2 жыл бұрын

    this isn't dragon ball super goku tho

  • @ruthless-ryu8619

    @ruthless-ryu8619

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisdudedurian1305 super saiyan 3 is enough still

  • @chrisdudedurian1305

    @chrisdudedurian1305

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ruthless-ryu8619 i dunno....

  • @ruthless-ryu8619

    @ruthless-ryu8619

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisdudedurian1305 super saiyan 3 is more than enough bro

  • @LuisTorres-zm2xd

    @LuisTorres-zm2xd

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ruthless-ryu8619 Considering that ssj 3 is a 400x multiplier and that goku at base can easily destroy a planet, yeah I think ssj3 is a little overkill

  • @digitaladventurer2142
    @digitaladventurer21422 жыл бұрын

    Goku would win hands down. Goku has shrugged off things Omni-man has taken noticeable damage from and that was in his base state. Given access to even his Frieza saga SSJ powers and he could mop the floor with him.

  • @user-vs9ds3dc2y

    @user-vs9ds3dc2y

    Жыл бұрын

    Yep

  • @MyAramil

    @MyAramil

    6 ай бұрын

    To be fair. Omni man also has shrugged off things goku got blasted by, most notably the laser after he fought against freizas forces in db super.

  • @RealFlex111

    @RealFlex111

    6 ай бұрын

    @@MyAramilwe don’t know how strong those were most lasers is actually planetary even tho it might’ve not destroyed the planet due to “Plot”

  • @lordaragon901

    @lordaragon901

    5 ай бұрын

    @@MyAramilthe explanation for that is Goku in DBS being much dumber and worse designed than his younger DBZ self, he powered down against Frieza and later on even went into base form in front of Morro but only Ressurection F Goku powers down and gets so lax in the middle of a fight that a laser is enough to nearly kill him. Goku in that movie in particular is so pathetic I can’t even see him as the same person, the only version of Goku to get taken out by a cheap shot as far as I remember.

  • @justo9056

    @justo9056

    5 ай бұрын

    @@lordaragon901yea u sound sped bc he literally did the same shit to frieza in the namek arc💀 he powered down and turned his back. And if frieza never called out he would’ve hit goku with the disc😂. Bc goku still got hit by the disc where it cut his face.

  • @AdobadoFantastico
    @AdobadoFantastico2 жыл бұрын

    Goku will always win post saiyan arc because he has the kaioken and spirit bomb. Roshi was able to unleash a blast to blow up the moon at a power level of a few hundred. The advantage of being able to unleash so much destruction at range is tremendous but since Goku couldn't sustain flight indefinitely until after the Saiyan Arc, maybe it could balance out there.

  • @Chris_HT

    @Chris_HT

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, kid goku has feats of being faster than light 💀

  • @MildsandThatYac

    @MildsandThatYac

    10 ай бұрын

    While that’s true Omni man has more stamina, how would he deal with goku’s AP? If and when he gets hit he’s in danger

  • @abhabh6896

    @abhabh6896

    9 ай бұрын

    Omniman destroyed a planet by flying trough it. Omniman could kill ssj1 Namek Goku because he has more fighting experience and has a strong healing factor and he can breathe in space. He is like Frieza but with a healing factor and smarter.

  • @MildsandThatYac

    @MildsandThatYac

    9 ай бұрын

    @@abhabh6896 him flying through a planet means nothing. He doesn’t have the AP to deal with goku nor frieza dude would just get severely beaten with little effort

  • @goddoda412

    @goddoda412

    8 ай бұрын

    @@abhabh6896 bro are you brain dead even if omni man has more fight exp he still has no martial arts abilities gokus martial arts were so good he was able to fight kefla for awhile in base while she was in super sayin 2

  • @thewalkingtomato9804
    @thewalkingtomato98042 жыл бұрын

    Omni-Man stomps all he has to say is “think Goku think “ then Goku dies instantly to his brain shutting down

  • @sayejutsu-6009

    @sayejutsu-6009

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Dark Jacob and Warhead Jamar X that makes no sense I don’t see how those two things can be compare

  • @thewalkingtomato9804

    @thewalkingtomato9804

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s foul

  • @hioi4756

    @hioi4756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Dark Jacob and Warhead Jamar X I'm assuming you didn't read the manga goku can drive a car . The thing that you see in the anime is filler .

  • @hioi4756

    @hioi4756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Dark Jacob and Warhead Jamar X In terms of fighting goku is a genius. He can use strategies and martial arts against opponent's.

  • @maritimesteak8540

    @maritimesteak8540

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Dark Jacob and Warhead Jamar X actually he can drive he just sucks at it at first in the anime

  • @GuitarxWolf
    @GuitarxWolf2 жыл бұрын

    If Omni man gets stunned by discount Batman’s explosives, I think a Namekian Frog would be able to win against Omni.

  • @teonnechapman1420

    @teonnechapman1420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wasimfarooq what is a old man gonna do against a mid multiversal being with possibly infinite speed

  • @teonnechapman1420

    @teonnechapman1420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Za Wizard you forgot goku took a attack that could wipe the soul and body from existence or did you ignore that part

  • @teonnechapman1420

    @teonnechapman1420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Za Wizard did you know goku scales above or to being who can destroy multiple universal bodies along with timeliness as well and don't let me bring xeno goku into this equation

  • @teonnechapman1420

    @teonnechapman1420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wasimfarooq nowhere in the video did Chuck say this please drop the timestamp

  • @teonnechapman1420

    @teonnechapman1420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Za Wizard oh no I agree with you what that dude says was dumb but I also think that it was a joke

  • @matthewtylernewton8481
    @matthewtylernewton84812 жыл бұрын

    One possible explanation for the speed discrepancy in invincible is drag and air resistance. On earth, the air would be exerting force back onto the viltrumite and creating drag, which is why it takes Omni man longer to fly around earth than it does to fly through space. In space, there’s no air resistance because of the vacuum, and thus the viltrumites could potentially accelerate indefinitely as they continue to exert more and more force

  • @guesswho2590

    @guesswho2590

    Жыл бұрын

    no vacuum

  • @kingbeelzebub

    @kingbeelzebub

    Жыл бұрын

    This makes so much fucking sense 👏

  • @Alphaj0r

    @Alphaj0r

    Жыл бұрын

    thanks Newton

  • @guesswho2590

    @guesswho2590

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alphaj0r md cuz dumb?

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    that's genius.

  • @Neli2789
    @Neli27892 жыл бұрын

    Goku can fight on par with a person who can blow up a planet 10x larger than earth with a single finger in their first form, Omni man needs 3 extra people to destroy a single one, how is this even an argument?

  • @GhostCell47

    @GhostCell47

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @RiceCubeTech

    @RiceCubeTech

    Жыл бұрын

    He doesn’t need three extra people. It was for time sakes that they all worked to do it, but nothing that the four of them did, Omni man couldn’t do with enough time. All they did was tunnel through the core of the planet over and over again. All he needs is 3 times the time to make as many tunnels through the core to the surface and it’s the same result. A single viltrumite could destroy a planet, it would just take them a lot longer than if 4 did it.

  • @Neli2789

    @Neli2789

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RiceCubeTech he didn't destroy one himself in the show or comic so you can't assume he could based on other characters

  • @wikipediafollower

    @wikipediafollower

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RiceCubeTech Nah, even with all three of them punching through the core following Space Racer's bullet Nolan was worn out and admits they could have died. And considering even Thragg was melting when he sundipped with Mark, intense heat and pressure seem to be a Viltrumite weakness. They could absolutely ruin the biosphere of a planet by punching holes into the mantle and making the planet inhospitable, but they're nowhere close to being able to explode entire planets like Vegeta could at his absolute lowest seen power level

  • @naturalnicknick5490

    @naturalnicknick5490

    Жыл бұрын

    U talking about Beerus?

  • @JeffHardyTheEnigmaticOne
    @JeffHardyTheEnigmaticOne2 жыл бұрын

    Fun Fact: Omni-Man is a prime member at the Round Table of Black Air Force Activity.

  • @ksanbahlyngwa1998

    @ksanbahlyngwa1998

    2 жыл бұрын

    As is Vegeta and Broly.

  • @TheG.82

    @TheG.82

    2 жыл бұрын

    And Madara

  • @jennsolomon5547

    @jennsolomon5547

    2 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta don't deserve it

  • @JeffHardyTheEnigmaticOne

    @JeffHardyTheEnigmaticOne

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jennsolomon5547 “Fine, I’ll do it myself”

  • @PrestigeRoadman

    @PrestigeRoadman

    2 жыл бұрын

    Truck-Kun too😂

  • @RushdownNinja
    @RushdownNinja2 жыл бұрын

    damn gave him the ole "-if we went back to when Goku wasnt dummy strong" treatment

  • @ht8138

    @ht8138

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol yeah but it wouldn't be much of a fight if he fought current Goku. Hell current krillin can prob solo the entire verse.

  • @RushdownNinja

    @RushdownNinja

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ht8138 idk about krillin soloing the verse but ofc Goku too strong for Omniman lol

  • @blacksmoke6292

    @blacksmoke6292

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RushdownNinja Probably solo a lot of characters though since he's higher than moon level.

  • @anthonychase6906

    @anthonychase6906

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@blacksmoke6292 moon level is a severe understatement you know that piccolo in the raditz arc instantly vaporized a moon to nothing, krillin at his peak is way beyond planet potentially star level Considering frieza 1st form was star level you just have to wonder if krillin got 1st form frieza level by DBS or nor

  • @X02Overdose

    @X02Overdose

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@blacksmoke6292 Moon level is a severe lowball for Krillin 💀💀💀

  • @dweemiesdarkmount
    @dweemiesdarkmount Жыл бұрын

    I remember from the anime, Goku was ambushed by Hit from universe 6 and completely got one shotted but before he got hit he threw an energy ball above him so it would drop onto him to jump start his heart again. thats something.

  • @SC-kl9cu

    @SC-kl9cu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Lh0000 what’s confusing

  • @dweemiesdarkmount

    @dweemiesdarkmount

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Lh0000 dude just type Hit kills Goku and analyze it yourself.

  • @Lh0000

    @Lh0000

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SC-kl9cu I mean that was more a dramatic declaration of how utterly ridiculous that series of events is.

  • @Lh0000

    @Lh0000

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dweemiesdarkmount I don’t think seeing the ridiculousness of that would make it any less ridiculous, it’s less that I need to analyze it and more I’m baffled by how comically absurd this whole thing is.

  • @dweemiesdarkmount

    @dweemiesdarkmount

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Lh0000 yeah its better that you dont overthink it. for the sake your mental health.

  • @TruXavia
    @TruXavia Жыл бұрын

    One thing you need to remember is that the LOWER CLASS Saiyans that are hundreds, to thousands, to maybe millions of times weaker than Goku in base were able to destroy planets very easily. Their race is literally meant to destroy and conquer planets with ease. Nappa, who was around mid-class in the SAIYAN SAGA (which is nothing now), was able to nuke an entire city with *minimal effort* . Yes, the Viltrumites are incredibly strong, but overall the Saiyans are stronger. (also they can shoot energy, Viltrumites can only use their fists.)

  • @cameronstevens2053

    @cameronstevens2053

    5 ай бұрын

    Lower class Saiyans were not planet level lol I agree with you ofc but an official statement states that you need a minimum power level of 10000 to be able to destroy a planet easily. An average low level Saiyan had a power level of 1,000-3,000

  • @user-mr3lr8yk3c

    @user-mr3lr8yk3c

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@cameronstevens2053 humans can destroy planets in dbz, So saiyans, lol they will either destroy the galaxy or they are weaker than humans and vegetas brother

  • @cameronstevens2053

    @cameronstevens2053

    5 ай бұрын

    @@user-mr3lr8yk3c lmfao those humans are MUCH stronger than a lower class Saiyan 😂

  • @hez859

    @hez859

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeah, characters like Yamcha get clowned compared to the main characters but him and the likes of Tien and Krillin are actually pretty powerful​@@cameronstevens2053

  • @JohnJo-qn7wq

    @JohnJo-qn7wq

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@cameronstevensh humans are strong in DBZ how I never watched DBZ. So how

  • @duper4108
    @duper41082 жыл бұрын

    I feel like Omni-man VS Bardock is a better matchup.

  • @vendettaplayz7739

    @vendettaplayz7739

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @orangefantaafan

    @orangefantaafan

    2 жыл бұрын

    bardock still stomps though more like kid goku

  • @A--lex

    @A--lex

    2 жыл бұрын

    More like omni man vs raditz

  • @filip_1203

    @filip_1203

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even raditz stomps Omni man

  • @duper4108

    @duper4108

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@filip_1203 Don't go that far my man, that's just cruel.

  • @ten-thousandbees8453
    @ten-thousandbees84532 жыл бұрын

    considering that Goku knocked a Star-leveled blast away with his bear fists in the Namek Saga and Omni man needed help with a dying Planet I think it's clear.

  • @brettz5288

    @brettz5288

    2 жыл бұрын

    Star level attack**

  • @driplord7286

    @driplord7286

    2 жыл бұрын

    omni man is uni in the comics

  • @elijah0557

    @elijah0557

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@driplord7286 dont matter gokus fart solos

  • @musie12enbye53

    @musie12enbye53

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@driplord7286 no hes not are

  • @wasimfarooq

    @wasimfarooq

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@driplord7286 Not really as he (SPOLIERS) gets killed by Thragg who died from falling into a star although he was injured from his fight with Invincible even still if Thragg and Omni man are Universal than Thragg should have survived that since by your logic he's Universal and there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe so the fact he died from being plunged into a star immediately makes him not Uni

  • @OfficialRapJack
    @OfficialRapJack Жыл бұрын

    How is this even a discussion? There’s an obvious winner. Goku

  • @bubbajo9089
    @bubbajo90892 жыл бұрын

    Bro ngl this shit would be phenomenal crossover imagine if the Viltramites tryna invade planet vegeta

  • @SuperBetaBuxbros.

    @SuperBetaBuxbros.

    2 жыл бұрын

    Freeze whips

  • @kensley94

    @kensley94

    Жыл бұрын

    Lets write a letter to the writers

  • @joefollo4891
    @joefollo48912 жыл бұрын

    If Invincible’s cast of characters had DBZ power levels, we’d have seen some crazy shit. Look at how much destruction we got sub-planetary.

  • @joefollo4891

    @joefollo4891

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@secoTheSonicFan Eh? Invincible is defined by collateral damage that’s appropriate for the cast’s abilities, on top of flashiness. DBZ’s fight choreography is very, very inaccurate to what the characters can actually do. Consider how the Broly movie, at most, destroyed a mountain. The same kind of feat that’s been done since the original dragon ball. Meanwhile, I probably shouldn’t spoil anything that happens in invincible…

  • @boomboombaby9140

    @boomboombaby9140

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joefollo4891 exactly

  • @malekat8539

    @malekat8539

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@secoTheSonicFan ...

  • @blackmartini7684

    @blackmartini7684

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joefollo4891 Mountain? They fractured the fabric of the universe while fighting.

  • @linkmaster253

    @linkmaster253

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@blackmartini7684 post a clip of that happening and we will believe you

  • @canned3880
    @canned38802 жыл бұрын

    Using earlier versions of Goku is actually pretty cool and I think it's more interesting than modern goku

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, current Goku is harder to find matchups for than for early Goku imo.

  • @X02Overdose

    @X02Overdose

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Chuck In other words, current Goku claps Omni-thic into dust

  • @zye4809

    @zye4809

    2 жыл бұрын

    He had to. Current Goku blinks Omni into dust before he can even react.

  • @buincqv67

    @buincqv67

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zye4809 saitama solos both of them

  • @zye4809

    @zye4809

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@buincqv67 I don't remember that being the topic nor do I have time to deal with a Saitamatard. Move along buddy.

  • @childatheart1983
    @childatheart19832 жыл бұрын

    Ranged attacks aside, Goku also has telekinesis and a variety of energy attacks, not just his beams. Strategically, he can use those, like chasing Omni-Man around or put him in a high intensity energy sphere like Frieza does or bombard him with telekenetic attacks. Unknowingly, Goku would blitz Omni-Man's atoms from the variety of things his body is needing to adjust to, putting him at a disadvantage.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    yup, omni-man's just a brawler, doesn't even use techniques like grappling, meanwhile goku is not only a martial arts prodigy, he also has ki attacks which give him ranged advantage.

  • @Tharja-iBW

    @Tharja-iBW

    Жыл бұрын

    While I agree somewhat. Goku wouldn't be able to survive in the sun either. Durability and resistance to heat are different than their power output.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Tharja-iBW but if he can survive solar system destroying punches, is a suns heat really going to be that much of a issue?

  • @Tharja-iBW

    @Tharja-iBW

    Жыл бұрын

    @@projekttaku1 There is one thing we're not mentioning. KI Barriers. Broly and by extension any person with a strong enough KI barrier can deflect heat and anything else. Just because their body isn't capable of shrugging off something several times hotter than the surface of the sun, doesn't mean they will die due to their KI barriers. It's the same reason why Krillin's Kienzan cut through Freeza's tail but Perfect Cell shrugged it off without even moving an inch.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Tharja-iBW yup. Although I think the perfect cell tanking krillin kienzan was anime only.

  • @ds22342
    @ds223428 ай бұрын

    The thing with Spawn though, we dont know which Spawn Mark killed. There were points in time where Spawn was severely depowered and was just a guy with guns and SOME situational hacks.

  • @faizanfaheem6813
    @faizanfaheem68132 жыл бұрын

    When the character is soo strong u have to take his early forms 😂(There's a war going on in the comments)

  • @Yt_xXKennyG56Xx

    @Yt_xXKennyG56Xx

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly LOL

  • @JustAsh001

    @JustAsh001

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yet he is still strong lmao 😂

  • @Psycho-th8vb

    @Psycho-th8vb

    2 жыл бұрын

    Goku got defeated by a needle. Omni Man slaps

  • @thatguyyouknow149

    @thatguyyouknow149

    2 жыл бұрын

    FACTS

  • @Dakayto

    @Dakayto

    2 жыл бұрын

    yea, before his character was ruined

  • @DragonballBlack
    @DragonballBlack2 жыл бұрын

    This is one of my favorite VS from 2021 LETS GO

  • @sultanachoudhury5121

    @sultanachoudhury5121

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi I am a fan

  • @DocGoon

    @DocGoon

    2 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate it bro!

  • @effortless4588

    @effortless4588

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DocGoon 🐐

  • @DocGoon

    @DocGoon

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@effortless4588 🦇💙

  • @kinzvfx1848

    @kinzvfx1848

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yooo

  • @shiori00
    @shiori00 Жыл бұрын

    The thing about using scaling to Supreme is that it won't really help him because Supreme himself outright says that he was holding back ("Just getting started..") and also Viltrumites die in the sun so it's not like they could get above star level

  • @Angry_Peanut_52

    @Angry_Peanut_52

    Жыл бұрын

    It takes awhile for a viltrumite to die in the sun

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    thragg and mark were fighting each other and even then they were still dying very slowly.

  • @pickle9571

    @pickle9571

    Жыл бұрын

    I think their durability to the sun would last longer if they weren't fighting. Just like it was stated in the video, their smart atoms would struggle if they're near the sun, and fighting at the same time.

  • @XxEggman_Meme_GodxX

    @XxEggman_Meme_GodxX

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean, doesn’t count because it’s non cannon, but cooler got killed by the sun too. And he’s even stronger than Freeza.

  • @kj12351

    @kj12351

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Angry_Peanut_52 That's a pointless arguement. If he can only survive for x amount of time on a star, how the hell is he gonna survive getting hit with more energy than the Sun makes in it's ENTIRE life time?

  • @ironreed2654
    @ironreed2654 Жыл бұрын

    Talking about the Elephant in the room; Its hard to compare with Super Man since his comics are generally more optimistic and the character more careful, we don't see him blowing up planets often.

  • @ClydeYouTuber
    @ClydeYouTuber2 жыл бұрын

    aight I'm actually hyped to see this lol didn't know you were making this

  • @pillowmaster4818

    @pillowmaster4818

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's the boiii Clyde, wassup man.

  • @ClydeYouTuber

    @ClydeYouTuber

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pillowmaster4818 about to upload in a few hours

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    :)

  • @justtakobi7359

    @justtakobi7359

    2 жыл бұрын

    Clyde & chuck upload same day??? LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOO

  • @Namato360

    @Namato360

    2 жыл бұрын

    Clyde✔️• 10 minutes ago aight I'm actually hyped to see this lol didn't know you were making this

  • @mitchellconner6928
    @mitchellconner69282 жыл бұрын

    Something to add about Goku's stamina is that he has, on multiple occasions, recovered stamina while fighting, he's just fighting at a weaker state. The ToP is the most explicit example of this. So, while Omni has better fuel efficiency, Goku has a bigger tank and can refuel on the go. Tbf, I've not read or seen invincible, so maybe Omni can a well, just wanted to bring it up.

  • @TGPDrunknHick

    @TGPDrunknHick

    2 жыл бұрын

    Goku is fight smarter not harder. might be a dumbass when it comes to social norms and expectations of society but, fighting is a different story entirely.

  • @mitchellconner6928

    @mitchellconner6928

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TGPDrunknHick I definitely think he's fight smarter and harder. I mean, what fight hasn't ended with a final form, full power, max charge beam attack? Other than Cell, of course.

  • @TGPDrunknHick

    @TGPDrunknHick

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mitchellconner6928 fair point

  • @lancetheking7524

    @lancetheking7524

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mitchellconner6928 dang lol

  • @BG-it7hb

    @BG-it7hb

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TGPDrunknHick that's true. Goku is a martial art expert and picks up many diff styles and goes from teacher to teacher. Omni Man and most Viltrumites are more brawlers

  • @gregrehkemper8196
    @gregrehkemper8196 Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you mentioned Omni man asking for mercy and if Goku would drop his gaurd. I like even more that you ignored goku giving power to Freiza after they just met and Freiza literally killed a child right in front of him. That would have made your entire argument that Goku wouldn't show mercy go right out the window.

  • @Lh0000

    @Lh0000

    Жыл бұрын

    Late, but while he did give freiza energy he didn’t really drop his guard and was still prepared to kill him immediately after. So while I personally think goku would show mercy, I don’t think Nolan could capitalize on it. If FREIZA couldn’t do it Nolan sure can’t

  • @hm9934

    @hm9934

    6 ай бұрын

    if you're talking about krillin, krillin is a full grown adult but you still have a point

  • @gregrehkemper8196

    @gregrehkemper8196

    6 ай бұрын

    @@hm9934 Dende

  • @IamHim128

    @IamHim128

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Lh0000💯

  • @hm9934

    @hm9934

    6 ай бұрын

    @@gregrehkemper8196 oh alr gotcha

  • @toxik_cereal
    @toxik_cereal Жыл бұрын

    I am not quite convinced that Omni Man's fighting speed will be a disadvantage for Goku. Maybe when or if it comes to flight, but not fight. That "Flash" type character outclassed OM before OM finally outsmarted the speedster. Goku does that kind of thing often with speedsters. Yet, against (I believe it was against Racoom) Goku moved so fast it Jeice and Burter's scouters couldn't even register it. And against those two attacking, Goku moved so fast it looked like he was standing still.

  • @DocGoon
    @DocGoon2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for having me on Chuck! Had a blast working on this! Everyone have a great weekend💙✅🦇

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the help broski!!

  • @DocGoon

    @DocGoon

    2 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit chuck replied to my comment!

  • @kinzvfx1848

    @kinzvfx1848

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yooo he replied!1! Great video guys keep it up

  • @johnhenry9189

    @johnhenry9189

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DocGoon l Kk link

  • @aguyunderabridge.8794
    @aguyunderabridge.87942 жыл бұрын

    Video: "Yea Goku probably wins. But here's why its actually an interesting topic" 80% of comments: "Bruh we all know Goku stomps rofl why is this a video?" (Edit) Im not saying Omniman wins im just noticing a trend in the comments

  • @DeadShotJay

    @DeadShotJay

    2 жыл бұрын

    Spittin

  • @eugeneflores6153

    @eugeneflores6153

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's true though, why not match up Omni man with his caliber than namek saga Goku 🤣

  • @aguyunderabridge.8794

    @aguyunderabridge.8794

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@eugeneflores6153 Eh. From the video it seems Omniman's power level is a little hard to really pin down.

  • @eugeneflores6153

    @eugeneflores6153

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@aguyunderabridge.8794 Good thing the comics exist, Omni man ain't beating namek saga. Omni needed another two virtrumites to destroy a planet and a space racer laser gun to make the planet unstable just to make it possible lol

  • @gameuniverse5973

    @gameuniverse5973

    2 жыл бұрын

    omniman at his best if you want too be nice too him can be planet level too bad namek saga Goku is above a Saiyan saga Vegeta that was gonna destroy the entire earth in his statement and early namek Goku is about ten times stronger and not too mention the kaoiken amp that put him above Ginyu who at 150,000 and Vegeta in the Saiyan saga was 12,000 when he stated that so yeah this is a stomp the Goku that show up beats Omni man much less post Frieza fight Goku

  • @lololo292691
    @lololo2926912 жыл бұрын

    This is interesting based on how their series do combat. Let's be real, if DBZ fights were like Invincible, every gut punch would end with everyone getting eviscerated

  • @classicjazz9671

    @classicjazz9671

    5 ай бұрын

    Vegeta vs zarbon (monster) 2 vibes.

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 Жыл бұрын

    Forgot I seen dis. Epicness. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!

  • @kokutensai
    @kokutensai2 жыл бұрын

    How are these fights even a debate? Even in Saiyan Saga, I'm fairly certain Goku wins.

  • @cannedman7768

    @cannedman7768

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's not even the strong of his species most definitely not of his universe either Goku destroys him

  • @Drip7914

    @Drip7914

    2 жыл бұрын

    Beginning of Db kid goku wins

  • @diamond_dude1063

    @diamond_dude1063

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Drip7914 now you are getting way too fanboy-ish..omni man can just blow beginning of db kid goku away with his super breath. beginning of db kid goku is around peak human level.

  • @Drip7914

    @Drip7914

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@diamond_dude1063 can a normal human tank bullets

  • @diamond_dude1063

    @diamond_dude1063

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Drip7914 his attack potency and durability is around wall level, comparing it to planet shattering, nuke surviving omni man tho.....

  • @TheJayspyder
    @TheJayspyder2 жыл бұрын

    Viltrumites and the other top-tiers of Invincible are tanks when it comes to physical damage, but I think ki attacks would really fuck them up. Especially charged ki attacks that exceed the user's own power level by a considerable margin. Nolan is my favorite character in Invincible, so I'm definitely not out to downplay him, but that's just how it is.

  • @shadzmunisworthless765

    @shadzmunisworthless765

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bruh Ki attack are just energy attack .

  • @keithfields1756

    @keithfields1756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@shadzmunisworthless765 energy attacks that are too strong for ppl in invincible to handle

  • @TheJayspyder

    @TheJayspyder

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@shadzmunisworthless765 No shit. Energy attacks that can destroy planets, stars and even the entire universe. Mark and Thragg nearly die to a sun, ki attacks can far exceed that level of energy output.

  • @shadzmunisworthless765

    @shadzmunisworthless765

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheJayspyder So we going to compare both universes now . You got one universe where overtime the character get obsolutely overpowered and one universe where everything is balance and everyone can die .

  • @TheJayspyder

    @TheJayspyder

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@shadzmunisworthless765 I mean the Viltrumites are stated to be a threat to the universe but I take that to mean as a group and over time. Not one Viltrumite conquering everything. For the majority of the series Thragg is the strongest and he nearly dies to Battle Beast.

  • @JCarvajal_25
    @JCarvajal_259 ай бұрын

    The Doom Eternal music fits perfectly to the video

  • @jamespain2138
    @jamespain2138 Жыл бұрын

    Loved these instrumentals man links ??? Great video 👍🏽

  • @plugindave
    @plugindave2 жыл бұрын

    I dont think many invincible characters would really stand much of a chance against dbz power levels but Allen the Alien does have that zenkai boost ability similar to saiyans, so he could potentially stand a chance, simply by continuously getting his ass handed to him and provided he doesn't die, enough times to boost up to a dbz type power level, but still i wouldn't have him as the favourite

  • @cliffholmes1398

    @cliffholmes1398

    2 жыл бұрын

    All viltrumites have zenkai boost. It is because of the numerous times Mark was beaten into needing to go to the icu that he became so strong.

  • @mimimikail2603

    @mimimikail2603

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cliffholmes1398 Viltrumites have something similar but not quite the same as Allen. Allen is just a straight up Zenkai boost where his power grows dramatically after a single time. Viltrumites grow after getting close to death but not by much compared to Saiyans.

  • @controlman7490

    @controlman7490

    2 жыл бұрын

    Saiyans mostly have the edge in power simply because of ki. If we disregard the ki though Viltrumites easily match Saiyans in physical strength and could definitely kill them. Yea, and Allen could definitely kill Saiyans, but a ki blast I think would put him down for a long time or kill him.

  • @CoTheboxer

    @CoTheboxer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@controlman7490 take away the saiyans ki is like taking away viltrumites smart atoms

  • @wardraven8755

    @wardraven8755

    2 жыл бұрын

    Krillen could take out omniman

  • @danielfs5
    @danielfs52 жыл бұрын

    The Spawn that was fighting the other Invincible who he claimed to "kill" was most likely a Spawn before they Crazy Heaven and hell power ups, bc the Same Invisible is on the same power as normal Mark which is between Planetary range, so yeah crossovers are really confusing when it comes to power, just wanted to put that out there.

  • @teletobeyy6642

    @teletobeyy6642

    2 жыл бұрын

    You also got to consider the date the comic was published, as Spawn is still ongoing unlike Invincible. The Invincible War Event was published during 2009 so we have to scale Spawn to how strong he was then

  • @javimontana817

    @javimontana817

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yea in spawns continuity it took place before he got the godly powers cause he died that same year or it might have been jim dowining spawn there not clear on which one it was I like to think it was al Simmons though

  • @DHworldwide185

    @DHworldwide185

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank You so much. Got in so many arguments about this

  • @protalghulnist4126

    @protalghulnist4126

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@javimontana817 they are clear, if by "got his godly powers" you mean when he TEMPORARILY was on the level of god and Satan then it was Al, he died shortly after. There's nothing even remotely ambiguous about which spawn does what, every story that takes place after al dies is Jim until Al comes back. I'm not trying to say invincible could beat spawn, obviously he gets smacked, but spawn wasn't any weaker back then, and even if he was he's arguably been stronger than mark from issue 1

  • @kay1526

    @kay1526

    2 жыл бұрын

    still impressive since spawn is a power house even without heaven and hell powers

  • @GammingRey
    @GammingRey2 жыл бұрын

    You made youre entire video an ad. Well done Chuck.

  • @supersaltywarriorbro3312
    @supersaltywarriorbro33129 ай бұрын

    When you have to extremely down play one to give the other a chance, you have literally lose the argument since the first second.

  • @BlackScreenProductions125
    @BlackScreenProductions1252 жыл бұрын

    I suppose, a good way to put the whole "durability vs. resilience" thing, since you seemed to have a bit of trouble properly explaining what you meant, is this: durability determines how much force it takes to injure you, resilience determines how much injury it takes to bring you down.

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that's a good way of putting it as well. I'd add on that Omni-Man's body is naturally more durable than Goku's, while Goku needs a degree of ki control to amplify his durability.

  • @chuckingreaper8654

    @chuckingreaper8654

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Chuck Alan the Alien has a Zenkai like power, not a Viltrumite. The only Zenkai we see for a Viltrumite was done via matter manipulation by Eve once her and Mark were on the brink of death.

  • @Aryan_Aran

    @Aryan_Aran

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey why drag the fight long we all know that omni man's attacks won't damage goku and just one kamehameha from goku, omni man is erased from existence...well not existence but face of the planet

  • @youfirst6611

    @youfirst6611

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chuckingreaper8654 I might be misremembering this a bit. But Viltrumites do get stronger through battle and near death experience. Mark is an excellent example. Due to being half viltrum he was inherently weaker then the pure race. But due to extreme combat and life threatening injuries his cells kicking in his human genetics were overriden and by the end of the series he’s full viltrumite. And he became even more powerful after each fight because his opponents stronger than the previous. And in case you were gonna point out the exception doesn’t make the rule viltrumites like conquest, lucas, Thragg and maybe Anissa are show to get much more powerful as the series progressed.

  • @truedarkness4052

    @truedarkness4052

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@youfirst6611 His DNA is actually pretty much the same (like 99.5%) as a regular Viltrumite. Mark gets stronger through experience, growing, and fighting, but not necessarily from getting his ass kicked.

  • @izdev9055
    @izdev90552 жыл бұрын

    *"Damn he's blitzing me"* *Casually dodges* *Sh*t has me weak, Goku would really be like..* *"Damn this guys strong, I'm having so much fun"*

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    "wow this guys crazy durable" *punches a hole through him*

  • @rukiller3
    @rukiller3Ай бұрын

    I did not know You did this, I just looked it up.

  • @LetsGo-LoveYourself
    @LetsGo-LoveYourself8 ай бұрын

    Totally work the lawsuit. This is 🔥

  • @ArcueidBrunestuddo
    @ArcueidBrunestuddo2 жыл бұрын

    The only win condition I can see Omni-man winning in is if he can speedblitz Goku into the vacuum of space far from any planets as Namek Saga Goku doesn't know Instant Transmission, and then wearing him out from there. Unless you count the gag from his Dragonball kid self casually taking a rabbit to the moon with his powerpole with no complications, in which case Omni-man will have to take the L. He's not getting past SSJ Goku's durability, not to mention that SSJ Goku is new to the form and essentially is in a berserker state, he won't let his guard down for even a second unless his enemy is already mortally wounded like Frieza being cut in half.

  • @thegatorhator6822

    @thegatorhator6822

    2 жыл бұрын

    I really like his chances of fooling Goku more than the video seems to think. Almost EVERY fight Goku gives his opponents stupid amounts of room to thrash him, even giving Freeza energy lol. He constantly lowers guard and gives stupid chances.

  • @shady8045

    @shady8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    he cant speed blitz him though, They are at the very least comparable in speed ESPECIALLY current. Honestly the gap between current and Omniman is probably comparable between the gap between current and a normal person, relatively speaking of course.

  • @ArcueidBrunestuddo

    @ArcueidBrunestuddo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@shady8045 We're going by this video in which Omniman can speedblitz Namek Saga Goku supposedly.

  • @shady8045

    @shady8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ArcueidBrunestuddo oh mb

  • @keithfields1756

    @keithfields1756

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well he's faster than goku but there speed difference isn't THAT far off so goku can react to him and he can sense his movements as well and if goku was really trying to end the fight quickly he can use kaioken x20 like he did against frieza and would be able to one shot onmi man

  • @smittyWerbenagermanjensen
    @smittyWerbenagermanjensen2 жыл бұрын

    Mark does the exact OPPOSITE of living up to his hero name. The dude spends 4 and a half out of the 10 episodes in season 1 of the show in the ICU. His name should be vulnerable 😂.

  • @retrogamesmadeeasy8058

    @retrogamesmadeeasy8058

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, I think they are working up to him living up to his name. I've only seen as far as the Anime/Cartoon (is Invincible Japanese....?) went. At this point it can be relatable to Goku and how Goku hadn't realized his full potential during the Saiyan Saga. Yeah, he didn't die, but he sure isn't at Super Saiyan lvl yet. Same as with Mark. He's not strong yet due to being very young still.

  • @deenman23

    @deenman23

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@retrogamesmadeeasy8058 invincible is an american comic writen by Robert Kirkman,the same guy that did walking dead,you can maybe see the visual similarity

  • @retrogamesmadeeasy8058

    @retrogamesmadeeasy8058

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@deenman23 Yeah, actually since I've posted that comment I discovered Invincible at my local bookstore.

  • @deenman23

    @deenman23

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@retrogamesmadeeasy8058 yeah i expected as much considering its been 1 month:D ,also..local bookstore?ah must be nice living in the stoneage:DD

  • @Kabaji

    @Kabaji

    2 жыл бұрын

    or you know, as Allen the Alien said, Vincible

  • @Hollowdude15
    @Hollowdude159 ай бұрын

    I like how he made a video 1 year ago even when omni-man is going to be in mortal kombat 1 in 2023 and great video man :]

  • @jorgeflores9421
    @jorgeflores9421 Жыл бұрын

    Love the hyperbolic time chamber soundtrack found in Budokai 2?

  • @Dizastermaster.
    @Dizastermaster.2 жыл бұрын

    Me: Goku obvi- Chuck: Nerfs Goku to make fight more interesting Me: Let's see how this goes...

  • @fxwizard6421

    @fxwizard6421

    2 жыл бұрын

    And he still wins

  • @theatricult

    @theatricult

    2 жыл бұрын

    dude goku wouldve won if nerfed to saiyan saga lvls

  • @redwarriorXYTYoutube

    @redwarriorXYTYoutube

    2 жыл бұрын

    they want to make goku nerf because they knew he would win so they wanted to see in a way goku would be in an disadvantage or lose lol.

  • @justinklinck6575

    @justinklinck6575

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@theatricult based on what facts and feats? Sounds like you're speaking out of Bias to me. At the time of the sayain saga, nobody has moved at the speed of light. It's been stated. Also the scene where piccolo says "he's the speed of light!" About Raditz, didn't happen in the original Manga. The characters turning to blurs when they fight is just lazy illustrating. When the budget increased and the graphics got better, it started showing slower, more detailed, fight scenes.

  • @theatricult

    @theatricult

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@justinklinck6575 sorry man this was a long debate. could you summarize your main issues so i could reply properly?

  • @personintrest6781
    @personintrest67812 жыл бұрын

    I feel like you never take into account that space being a void means you can continuously accelerate without resistance as long as you have the energy to do so

  • @Aryan_Aran

    @Aryan_Aran

    2 жыл бұрын

    And just one thrust to a certain direction at a certain speed one will go endlessly

  • @fredhawkins5989

    @fredhawkins5989

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well as straight as the gravity will allow… light doesn’t always travel in a straight line. Everything bends .

  • @Aryan_Aran

    @Aryan_Aran

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fredhawkins5989 yeah I totally missed that point man🤔👍

  • @icantbelieveyoudonethis4059

    @icantbelieveyoudonethis4059

    2 жыл бұрын

    They’d still have to react to the speed though

  • @CeeDoubleU

    @CeeDoubleU

    2 жыл бұрын

    The vacuum of space has no resistance. You would go on and on infinitely until you ran into something

  • @swordcoheir9186
    @swordcoheir918610 ай бұрын

    Thing is alter-ego's from parallel universes/alternate realities are RARELY equals often due to the environment they grew up in, which makes it hard to use them as a scale against the primary realities enemies. For example the alternate Mark that defeated Spawn may be way more powerful than Primary Mark, or that Spawn may be significantly weaker or have weaknesses that the Spawn we know doesn't have. This reality difference is actually highlighted in many different forms of media including the mini-episodic Dragon Ball Super- Hero's series.

  • @themanual5619
    @themanual56192 жыл бұрын

    While this would be a very intense and intertaining fight since it's namek saga goku, I still think goku having the range advantage would help alot.

  • @chriss.249
    @chriss.2492 жыл бұрын

    Sentry, Hyperion,and Blue marvel: looks fun, can I play too?

  • @Aesirfollower2020

    @Aesirfollower2020

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hell no don't bring blue marvel in this

  • @chriss.249

    @chriss.249

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Aesirfollower2020 U don't wanna see him smack goku and omni man around😂

  • @Aesirfollower2020

    @Aesirfollower2020

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chriss.249 no I don't want him to smack everyone around

  • @primordialpredominant6379

    @primordialpredominant6379

    2 жыл бұрын

    movie Goku bodies lol

  • @chriss.249

    @chriss.249

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@primordialpredominant6379 Mcu Iron man drops HIM lol

  • @Violet_iris
    @Violet_iris2 жыл бұрын

    The quality of your videos for the frequency you upload them is minblowingly amazing

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    I try, haha. Thank you!!

  • @fatmont588
    @fatmont5884 ай бұрын

    Mark Vs Gohan please I’ve been waiting like 2 years

  • @BrokenNat
    @BrokenNat2 жыл бұрын

    This conversation had so many plot holes you made the trunks ark look good.

  • @BrokenNat

    @BrokenNat

    2 жыл бұрын

    like how are you going to say this? 35:43 when you said this 28:40

  • @TheJayspyder
    @TheJayspyder2 жыл бұрын

    I'd argue Saiyan saga Vegeta would more than likely one-shot the Viltrumite race with the Galick Gun. And if he goes Oozaru, well...that's just overkill 💀

  • @DeadShotJay

    @DeadShotJay

    2 жыл бұрын

    Faster than light combat speed and blew up a bug planet with no difficultly and is stated to be on par with King Vegeta who rekted 3 planets by lifting up his hand...yeah theres no debate

  • @sweatbandsheadband2700

    @sweatbandsheadband2700

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fr

  • @smooothzy

    @smooothzy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DeadShotJay nah not even on par, he’s flat out much better than king Vegeta, even as a kid. King vegeta like a 10,000 PL while vegeta was 18,000 in the Saiyan saga

  • @DeadShotJay

    @DeadShotJay

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@smooothzy no matter how you look at it Viltrumites getting stomped 😭

  • @TheJayspyder

    @TheJayspyder

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think Viltrumites are better than saiyans at enduring catastrophic damage to their bodies, but that doesn't really matter because of the power and speed gap.

  • @cm5933
    @cm5933 Жыл бұрын

    Second video I’ve enjoyed from you so I’m subbed based on principal

  • @tomase789
    @tomase789 Жыл бұрын

    Another Goku vs Superman would be neat. They both have grown alot lately

  • @NemYagami
    @NemYagami2 жыл бұрын

    i dont know why its a debate goku would litteraly kill omni man in super saiyan

  • @juggalox1000

    @juggalox1000

    2 жыл бұрын

    This man did not watch the video

  • @NemYagami

    @NemYagami

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juggalox1000 im talking about in general

  • @GhostCell47

    @GhostCell47

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juggalox1000 He's telling the truth. Even if he hasn't got SSJ, he still would be powerful against Omni-Man because of Zenkai boost.

  • @juggalox1000

    @juggalox1000

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@GhostCell47 I was just stating the OP’s comment was disregarding the video’s point not that the OP was incorrect

  • @GhostCell47

    @GhostCell47

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@juggalox1000 Just saying. Omni-Man would still be outmatched against Goku on Namek.

  • @glmzy
    @glmzy2 жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure we can all agree Goku defeats all of invincible right? Not even in the “gOku soLOs” way

  • @ultimatetrishbhatia

    @ultimatetrishbhatia

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah only atom eve stands a tiny, tiny chance

  • @vidigya8722

    @vidigya8722

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ultimatetrishbhatia is she 4d?

  • @GhostCell47

    @GhostCell47

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ultimatetrishbhatia Not really.

  • @pablogomesoliveira2677

    @pablogomesoliveira2677

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ultimatetrishbhatia the green ghost lady ? Ah yes , she might actually have a chance lmao

  • @lightninggaming016

    @lightninggaming016

    2 жыл бұрын

    Goku now in his super Saiyan 2 would solo hard lol

  • @doombringer9621
    @doombringer9621 Жыл бұрын

    Omni Man is basicly just an insect for Goku

  • @PanelaaA
    @PanelaaA6 ай бұрын

    Lol when i saw the thumb i imediatly thought about that person who enter conversation about characters and say "but can he beat goku?"

  • @thalmoragent9344
    @thalmoragent93442 жыл бұрын

    *Vegeta and Omni-Man would probably be chill friends. Respect for each other's warrior culture.*

  • @pablogomesoliveira2677

    @pablogomesoliveira2677

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ljekanimation286 vegeta doesn’t give two sites about the earth ( sayian saga )

  • @redace4821

    @redace4821

    2 жыл бұрын

    Highly doubt it, Vegeta with his ego and pride might still beat up Omni man with little to no respect.

  • @noble14

    @noble14

    2 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta would call him a bitch then he'd slap the shit out of him for thinking he can breath the same royal oxygen as him

  • @heaven.3031

    @heaven.3031

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not really vegeta namek saga would not take any race equal to his. Unless you're way stronger than him.

  • @kinglace3782

    @kinglace3782

    2 жыл бұрын

    Step outside you elf we need to talk

  • @shane_edwards
    @shane_edwards2 жыл бұрын

    im surprised this is even a discussion

  • @Mikerille
    @Mikerille2 жыл бұрын

    Chuck I’m sorry you’re just incomparably wrong about the speed in combat of them. There is a difference in speed when flying in SPACE vs speed when flying in an atmosphere, though they are obviously above an early invincible who was calced at Mach 1500. Also Allen was stated before his amp to move at a max of “near-lightspeed”. The invincible characters in space use space warps, not the same as their regular relativistic+ speeds. Even in that scan you showed it said in an atmosphere he can achieve up to mach 10. But saying they are mftl+ on an atmosphere is just very wrong.

  • @GhostCell47

    @GhostCell47

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @pikastudios2850
    @pikastudios2850 Жыл бұрын

    A power level of 10k was confirmed to be planetary, however! This could very well apply to destroying planet Vegeta and earth was basically a baby planet compared. Jupiter despite being well over 10x earth does not have 10x the gravity, so planet Vegeta could be far over large planetary so Vegeta in the saiyan saga could very well be high large planetary.

  • @lunny3715
    @lunny37152 жыл бұрын

    Goku can honestly destroy an entire galaxy if he were that kind of person.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    not cell saga goku.

  • @themenagerie5247

    @themenagerie5247

    Жыл бұрын

    @@projekttaku1 you're right he could only wipe out a solar system with one shot.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@themenagerie5247 maybe, but super perfect cell was stated to be solar system level, and regular perfect cell was already much stronger than grade 4 goku, so maybe not. He's easily multi-star level tho.

  • @om9959

    @om9959

    Жыл бұрын

    @Projekt Taku Even freeza can one shot massive stars stated by goku on panel.The cell is easily solar system level+.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@om9959 no, super perfect cell simply states he can destroy a solar system and multiple guides confirm he can destroy a solar system, but never anything above.

  • @drakevoidwalker
    @drakevoidwalker2 жыл бұрын

    I'm hyped to watch this lol I was hoping, PRAYING that you or Seth would do this fight 😭 AND IT'S ALMOST AN HOUR LONG. Thank you bro. You just blessed my boring recommended

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hope you enjoyed it!

  • @connorschultz380
    @connorschultz3807 ай бұрын

    I like to think Super vegeta might see vultramites fighting with bloody arms and broken bones and think "new training goal, keep fighting after body breaks"

  • @mateusmessias360
    @mateusmessias3608 ай бұрын

    It would be cool to see a Saiyan Saga in Invincible too. Raditz first then Nappa and Vegeta, with Nolan having to work together with the heroes of Earth to fight them.

  • @vaughnsoso4849
    @vaughnsoso48492 жыл бұрын

    I mean when Vegeta first came to Earth they were strong enough to destroy planets. Goku by the time he fought Frieza was almost a million times more powerful so I think it was obvious Omni man was losing this.

  • @manhomarcusfan5268
    @manhomarcusfan52682 жыл бұрын

    Here's another example: Spawn appears in the Invincible War, alongside most major Image superheroes. ... This means that the Invincible unvierse has a version of Spawn, who had similar adventures to the Spawn universe's Spawn, but not exactly.

  • @BG-it7hb

    @BG-it7hb

    2 жыл бұрын

    It all takes place in the (or one of the) image comics universe. Spawn, Tech Jacket, Savage Dragon etc. all image comics exist

  • @mikee5718

    @mikee5718

    2 жыл бұрын

    what?! I must check this out now!!!

  • @deonjoyner960
    @deonjoyner9602 жыл бұрын

    I'm actually glad I heard you say which saga goku before I commented. I think he mighty actually clap in character. Goku gives too many chances in fights against enemies.

  • @edwarddawson42
    @edwarddawson422 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed this video. A comprehensive study on the characters. But, i found that turning down the goku dial sort of plot-armored the argument. So, i have to take away points. Goku would win hands down if he was at his current level. And you have to account for threat awareness. You know, basically if they did occupy the same reality, omniman wouldnt be interested in a pre ssj goku or he wouldnt appear on his radar.

  • @JeromeBellon

    @JeromeBellon

    Жыл бұрын

    "You know, basically if they did occupy the same reality..." ... Viltrumites would be able to learn ki attacks. These are specifically skills that basic humans (Roshi, Krillin, etc.) can learn, so I expect viltrumites would have an even easier time learning and using them. Their constitution and "smart atoms" allow them to optimize their energy use to absurd level (e.g. flying and fighting in space for days with a single breath of air). At that point, I'm pretty sure they would match anything Dragon Ball characters can do, up to and including some Tournament of Gods participants. Also, Viltrumites would have likely investigated... and probably clashed with Saiyans before, as a rival warrior race bent on conquering the universe. As such, Omni-man would have much as likely noticed and killed Goku way before he reached Super-Saiyan stage. Goku was never particularly subtle, fighting world-conquering armies (Reb Ribbon, Piccolo) and participating in multiple martial arts tournaments with very flashy moves. His presence was known on "Earth" several years before the Saiyan saga, although DB Earth might not be Invincible's Earth. That would be the only reason Omni-man never noticed Goku.

  • @blackmonkeofthehiddenleaf4354
    @blackmonkeofthehiddenleaf43542 жыл бұрын

    to be fair, this should never have been a question. Goku would obviously beat omni man without breaking a sweat

  • @mglo4260

    @mglo4260

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly look what happened to his son😂 not saying Omni man is a low budget superman but he's definitely a step down☠️

  • @crapcase3985

    @crapcase3985

    2 жыл бұрын

    Then don't use the current goku for fucks sake.

  • @mglo4260

    @mglo4260

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@crapcase3985 Who said anything about current Goku? Sorry but Goku still wins😬, I'm not fanboying I'm just stating the facts. Omni man isn't invincible like superman nor is he as fast as him.

  • @solangeabreu100

    @solangeabreu100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Watch out, Omni man comic fanboys will prob find you.

  • @mglo4260

    @mglo4260

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@solangeabreu100 👀👀👀!!!!

  • @scottybeats5328
    @scottybeats53282 жыл бұрын

    22:37 Combat speed and sprinting speed are completely different to be fair. you say he's 3.3 billion times faster the speed of light, yet couldn't punch someone within 5 feet of him in time before getting saved by someone who is as fast as the speed of light. their reaction times isn't going to be comparable otherwise he wouldn't have missed the punch, and going the speed of light is also something to take visual notice of, you don't just move that fast without leaving a visual display, there were none in this case. Travel speed is in no way the same or comparable to combat speed. His dodging skills aren't the greatest either. I've seen Omni-man get hit by people that weren't considered "Fast" built characters.

  • @sirjanus3954

    @sirjanus3954

    2 жыл бұрын

    Did U seriously say you need a visual display to be light speed lol what a joke I guess Goku's not ftl lololo

  • @scottybeats5328

    @scottybeats5328

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sirjanus3954 goku was able to move faster than light when he was a child fighting Tien. newb

  • @sirjanus3954

    @sirjanus3954

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@scottybeats5328 yes dodging light is an ftl feat but moving 65million light years in two weeks is mftl

  • @scottybeats5328

    @scottybeats5328

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sirjanus3954 yeah but actively fighting while moving that fast is also a feat that superman hasn't ever displayed. his fighting style too.. is trash by comparison.

  • @Slender_Man_186

    @Slender_Man_186

    2 жыл бұрын

    Allen the Alien has similar travel speed, his job was to travel between solar systems and galaxies and test the capabilities of each planet’s heroes. It’s been stated that his travel speed directly translates into his combat speed, and both Mark and Nolan have been able to keep up with him in a fight, and Nolan even outright beat him when they first met.

  • @Fallen_Family
    @Fallen_Family7 ай бұрын

    I'm actually surprised no one mentioned the fact that Goku's universe is several times larger than the typical universe so any movement speed feets should be faster than they are in this video

  • @sungod9797
    @sungod97975 ай бұрын

    Invincible characters take massive damage when they hit characters significantly stronger than themselves, so Omni man would basically explode on impact with Goku’s body (which is way more durable than a planet).

  • @disappointedfather5119
    @disappointedfather51192 жыл бұрын

    I think it would be more fitting if it was Vegeta vs Omni Man. Nevertheless, great video! I’m giving this one to Goku.

  • @kelvyiturralde8111

    @kelvyiturralde8111

    2 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta would insta-stomp Omniman. Omniman wouldn’t even know to play on Vegeta’s desire for a good fight like cell and would just get 19’d.

  • @arunavgogoi2696

    @arunavgogoi2696

    Жыл бұрын

    Vegeta doesnt plays around....the fight will end even more quicker than goku...vegeta = goku ( both super sayan blue )..but goku has ui

  • @PsychoJogo

    @PsychoJogo

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arunavgogoi2696 Vegeta has UE now too

  • @mine.g919

    @mine.g919

    Жыл бұрын

    Goku would power down to play fair vegeta would insta fuck omni man

  • @Chris_HT

    @Chris_HT

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mine.g919 The first time we see vegeta is already Multi Planetary Arguably

  • @commonman4413
    @commonman44132 жыл бұрын

    Goku is way op even before he reaches full strength. Plus he can teleport, an energy blast, and other tricks which Omni man lacks.

  • @TheInvincibleEmotion

    @TheInvincibleEmotion

    2 жыл бұрын

    Instant transmission kamehameha to the face at SSJ is blowing this bruddah’s face off

  • @haloedsun969
    @haloedsun9692 жыл бұрын

    I feel like the best way to imagine this discussion is after Goku has defeated Frieza and he's back on earth Omni-man shows up instead of cell to take over the planet. I know Omni-man doesn't have ranged attacks but I feel like he would try to crush and rip everyone apart. Goku would of course win eventually but once he defeated Omni-man you know more Viltramites will be showing up.

  • @Megaman-2407

    @Megaman-2407

    2 жыл бұрын

    only the midly difficult one and goku in that time can spend in hyperbolic chamber and be near galaxy level

  • @mrbuttocks6772

    @mrbuttocks6772

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're kidding right? Cell wasn't trying to take over, he was going to blow Earth up. Second past the early Namek saga, pretty much the entire 'Invincible' verse is fodder to Goku.

  • @purplesky4157

    @purplesky4157

    Жыл бұрын

    Nah fam the best scenario is if he showed up instead of vegeta. Anything after the saiyan saga is too much for Omni-man. Goku when he lands in namek low diff all of the vultromites combined like frieza did the saiyans with just one finger. He’s too strong then. He only gets stronger after his se Kai and then even stronger when he becomes a super saiyan. Voltrumites are strong but saiyans have limitless potential. A war between them the saiyans will win because of zankais and forms like super saiyan +

  • @Thefourthdimensional

    @Thefourthdimensional

    8 ай бұрын

    Omni man isn't doing anything vs the Cell saga Z fighters lol, Krillin in that arc would make short work of him.

  • @fatalwaffle1715
    @fatalwaffle1715Ай бұрын

    Cool Video!

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    Ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @fatalwaffle1715

    @fatalwaffle1715

    Ай бұрын

    Me too.

  • @lucid4080
    @lucid40802 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta would bully this man. He would shove his head into a toilet.

  • @poopbutt6241

    @poopbutt6241

    2 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta vs thragg

  • @baku983

    @baku983

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@poopbutt6241 Vegeta would bully him too lmao

  • @jackour8167

    @jackour8167

    2 жыл бұрын

    Everyone in invincible gets bullied

  • @eugeneflores6153

    @eugeneflores6153

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@poopbutt6241 You adding more victims of bullying in invincible comics

  • @zenzenulous2243

    @zenzenulous2243

    2 жыл бұрын

    Vegeta would just relentlessly make fun of Omni-Man for getting attached to the race he was meant to destroy, only to realize he was a hypocrite.

  • @deltalord6969
    @deltalord69692 жыл бұрын

    We're talking about a guy who needed help from three other people to destroy a planet against a guy who nearly destroyed multiple universes.

  • @cashrock505

    @cashrock505

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yea I don't care how hard this gets calced up or whatever Goku erases with a single jab

  • @jordim9762

    @jordim9762

    2 жыл бұрын

    dude, stop spitting bullshit, you didnt even watched the video.

  • @cashrock505

    @cashrock505

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jordim9762 Of course I didn't watch, I'm calling the premise of the video stupid. Why would I waste 48 minutes on something I'm calling stupid. Done stating the obvious?

  • @itsSmiv

    @itsSmiv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jordim9762 it's not bs lmao, omniman literally needed help from multiple other viltrumites to destroy one planet.

  • @jordim9762

    @jordim9762

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@itsSmiv that was a tired and injured Omni-man in the middle of the story who didn't get to his highest point of power yet, omni-man at the end of the story would pretty much destroy a planet without a swet, and we don't talk about speed because goku is slow as fuck in saiyan saga compared to Omni-man who can travel casually between entire solar systems with ease.

  • @john80411
    @john804113 ай бұрын

    thx for making my dayyy

  • @MusicProducerGameDeveloper
    @MusicProducerGameDeveloper2 жыл бұрын

    It's gonna be fun fighting them My inner kid is excited Saiyan blood is boiling

  • @diamond_dude1063
    @diamond_dude10632 жыл бұрын

    omni man would easily clap homelander and fight saitama to a standstill. but, goku and superman are on a completely different level.

  • @mazraelventacus914

    @mazraelventacus914

    2 жыл бұрын

    The way I see it is Supes from the Animated series gets stomped but Pre-crisis stomps 7-8 out of ten rounds. Post crisis 4-5 out of ten rounds. Now super boy prime, strange visitor, quantum, all-star and superman 1million that's a stomp 0-10 in superman's favor. Goku would have to master the way of the angels and be a threat to zenos or defeat zenos to even start compare.

  • @diamond_dude1063

    @diamond_dude1063

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mazraelventacus914 ik. superman has like a million different versions. omni man would defeat a lot of em but the strongest versions of supermans would godstomp him.

  • @perreban

    @perreban

    2 жыл бұрын

    thicc omni-man solos the DB Universe

  • @madhavsharma-ky4zl

    @madhavsharma-ky4zl

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@perreban gets clapped by thicc broly

  • @diamond_dude1063

    @diamond_dude1063

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@perreban yes. along with thiccnos.

  • @CaptFalcon725
    @CaptFalcon7252 жыл бұрын

    Great analysis. I agree with your outcome. I def would like more like this.

  • @Riley_187
    @Riley_1872 жыл бұрын

    39:35 yo is that real??I've never noticed Frieza hopping away like that if so😂😂😂😂

  • @jakeduhsn8k868
    @jakeduhsn8k8682 жыл бұрын

    Y’all definitely need to do a Invincible vs Gohan but Sayian Arc - Cell Arc

  • @friendlyneighborhoodcollec5928
    @friendlyneighborhoodcollec59282 жыл бұрын

    Even if Nolan had combat reactions relative to his travel speed, I highly doubt he would stand a chance against Goku in a head to head fight given how much of a martial arts prodigy Goku is.

  • @TheSurrealist.

    @TheSurrealist.

    Жыл бұрын

    I’ve noticed that when it comes to Superman type characters they tend to have greater travel speed than goku but Goku has better up close combat speed.

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheSurrealist. cause comics like to state and do ridiculous travel feats but don't want to put it into actual fight practice, meanwhile anime and manga don't really show that much impressive travel speed feats but love giving insane combat speed feats.

  • @mista2496

    @mista2496

    Жыл бұрын

    @@projekttaku1combat speed is more important than travel speed in anime/manga and most times a character’s travel speed is relative to their combat speed

  • @projekttaku1

    @projekttaku1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mista2496 obviously, although I wouldn't say travel speed and combat speed are relative most of the time.

  • @Zhyifa

    @Zhyifa

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitly haven’t seen invincible stop meat riding goku dbz fans are so brain dead

  • @vonzarooz2829
    @vonzarooz28292 жыл бұрын

    He’s uploading back to back bangersss!!! I love SCP STUFF AND THESE

  • @Chuck

    @Chuck

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much for watching!

  • @metalmario1231
    @metalmario12312 жыл бұрын

    Definitely better than something death battle would have given us

  • @calebstephan2083
    @calebstephan20835 ай бұрын

    Also that invincible saying he killed a spawn doesn’t put him on spawn level since not every version of spawn is as strong as the main one. In fact there’s several spawns. Spawn is more like an undead soldier. There’s multiple ones. The main one you follow in the comics is the only spawn that has all those insane feats because he goes outta his way to get stronger whereas the other spawns just follow order from the king of hell.

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