Going to Prison For Criticizing the Government | Debs v. United States
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In episode 13 of Supreme Court Briefs, Eugene Debs gives a speech criticizing war and praising socialism. He promptly gets arrested for breaking the Sedition Act, and spends the next several years fighting for his freedom.
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Canton, Ohio
June 16, 1918
Eugene Debs, the famous labor activist and five-time Socialist Party of America presidential candidate, gives a speech, opposing World War One. He is careful with his words, for he knows that, under the Sedition Act of 1918, he could go to prison for criticizing the war or President Woodrow Wilson. In his speech, he did not specifically mention World War One nor criticize President Wilson.
Even so, Debs was pretty courageous to give this speech. I’ll have Mark Ruffalo read you a sample of it. “They have always taught and trained you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the people, have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation in any age has ever been declared by the people.”
Two weeks later, police arrested Debs and charged him with breaking the Sedition Act. In federal court, Debs argued that he was justified giving the speech due to the First Amendment. He also argued that the Sedition Act was unconstitutional. At his trial, he gave a speech to the court that one journalist said was “one of the most beautiful and moving passages in the English language.” Apparently the court wasn’t all that moved. On November 18, 1918, they found Debs guilty. The judge sentenced him to 10 years in prison and said he could never vote again.
Debs appealed the conviction to the Supreme Court. This was a time when the Court was looking at a lot of cases involving free speech. Three weeks before the Court heard arguments from Eugene Debs and his lawyers, they heard arguments for a case called Schenck v. United States. In this case, the Court ended up deciding that speech should be limited if it leads to people committing a crime. This was where the “clear and present danger” doctrine came from. Basically, if speech can directly lead to hurting the country, then the Court said it can be limited.
So the Court checked out several statements that Debs had made regarding the war. In each one of them, Debs was careful to attempt to comply with the Sedition Act of 1918 and the rest of the Espionage Act. However, the Court ended up concluding that his ultimate goal with these statements was obstructing the draft and thus hurting the war effort.
On March 10, 1919, in a unanimous opinion, the Court announced it agreed with the lower court, upholding Debs’ conviction. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr (OliWen in the house!) gave the opinion. Holmes admitted that the speech Debs got in trouble for was mostly just about socialism. However, Holmes argued that the speech also was meant to get people fired up against American involvement in World War One to a point where people resisted the draft.
Eugene Debs went to prison on April 13, 1919. A protest of his imprisonment directly led to the May Day riots of 1919. But, I mean, in 1919 riots were totally the rage all across the country anyway.
Even in prison, Debs wouldn’t shut his mouth. He remained politically active, writing a series of columns talking trash about the prison system.
Oh yeah, and he also ran for President from prison. Really. In the election of 1920, Debs got 3.4% of the popular vote, by far the most anyone has ever got running for President from prison.
Debs. v United States was just one of several Supreme Court cases dealing with the limits of free speech that all took place right after World War One ended. It justified limited speech especially during times of crisis, like war.
On December 13, 1920, Congress got rid of the Sedition Act. A year later, the new President, Warren Harding, freed Debs from prison. However, prison had taken a toll on his health. He died less than five years later.
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@starbase51shiptestingfacil97
Жыл бұрын
First Amendment Law - Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR of the PRESS; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Sedition Act of 1918 violates the First Amendment Law. May Day Riots of 1919. Government violated the Law (First Amendment). Congress got rid of the Sedition Act in 1920, President Warren Harden freed Debs in 1920 (thumbs up). Was it necessary for the U.S. to get involved with WW I? Possibly. Probably. Maybe not. Invasion of another country is a bad a sign. WW I started with a Bosnian Serb, Gavrilo Princip assassinating Archduke Franz Ferdinand (sovereign monarch), a possible tyrant (plausible motive). Which dominoed, to where Germany attempted to invade France and just escalated into an all out war. It was largely a European war, but the United States got involved. America consists largely of European ancestry/immigrants, so that shouldn't be all that surprising.
isn't critiquing the government the whole point of the first amendment? Like that's the exact reason it was made. It protects other things sure but that was the main point I'm sure.
@irkendragon
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, which is why the government is always trashing it, especially in times of political unrest, exactly when the first amendment is needed the most.
@mistake1197
3 жыл бұрын
Blame Woodrow for being a piece of shit.
@andrewdautremont4232
3 жыл бұрын
Mistake 119 wilson was undeniably the worst president we’ve had
@abrahamlincoln5185
3 жыл бұрын
My friend let me introduce you to: political corruption
@samaustin8690
3 жыл бұрын
How the hell was this law ever a thing?
This was a huge mistake. It's a violation of the First Amendment.
@jamesgentry13
3 жыл бұрын
Must be a socalist
@l_ndonmusic
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 “We should all have the right to freedom of speech... unless you’re a socialist. Then you should go to jail”
@michaeldebitetto8769
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 are all socialists cringe yes however you have the right to be as cringe as you want according to the first amendment and also the idea that America shouldn't be policing the world is one that is generally associated with trump supporters now so idk were you stand on that but the basic idea is that we shouldnt be paying to protect the world
@danylonimko8419
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldebitetto8769 oh yeah. Socialism is cringe, says you while working 8 hours a day with two weekends, paid vacation and sick leave. How cringe indeed
@TheScrowlingFender7
2 жыл бұрын
The thinking was that the speech in question would hurt the war effort and national security. A similar decision was made in Schenk v US.
I thought the point of democracy was to allow people to actually voice their concerns. This “Sedition Act” is basically the government trying to turn into an authoritarian dictatorship
@Jake-rs9nq
2 жыл бұрын
Woodrow Wilson wasn't a big fan of free speech
@turtlenecksarepoggers
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jake-rs9nq Yeah. The Sedition Act was Woodrow Wilson indirectly preventing criticizing his ability to govern the U.S. Or in other words, he was insecure about how he handled the war and governed.
@princam_4775
2 жыл бұрын
Luckily the Supreme Court wouldnt allow a blatant violation of the constitution! Oh wait... they specifically ruled that it was fine.... huh
@Magnulus76
2 жыл бұрын
It was a feature, not a bug.
@retr0shea446
Жыл бұрын
@@Jake-rs9nq Indeed. Probably the most power hungry president
Such a horrible ruling. To be imprisoned as a result of advocating for peace, because that somehow "hurts the country" to an unacceptable degree, is pure insanity and a clear violation of our Constitutional rights.
Do top 10 Worst Supreme Court Decisions.
@bar7381
4 жыл бұрын
@@aaronbradley3232 illegally searching the area means there is a higher chance it was tampered with
@senatorammock1770
4 жыл бұрын
ayy gilly
@technosaurus3805
4 жыл бұрын
Wickard v. Filburn Shifted power from the people to the Federal government using the interstate commerce clause.
@ericthomas917
4 жыл бұрын
Citizens United airlines s definitely a bad one
@DialecticalMaterialismRocks
4 жыл бұрын
well this one is certainly one that should be added. so make it 11
Debs is a straight badass
@jamesgentry13
3 жыл бұрын
Commie aren't bad ass
@panzerkampfwageniv4065
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 Yeah he was. Also a great American patriot 🇺🇸
@Isaac-eg3um
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 He was a true patriot and a great American
@satum__
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 yes they are
@the4tierbridge
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgentry13 He was a Socalist,
This case is so aggravating!
@aguyontheinternet271
3 жыл бұрын
I love you Gilly
@TheGilliams
3 жыл бұрын
@@aguyontheinternet271 oop
The Sedition Act is one of the many reasons why I consider Woodrow Wilson the worst president after Andrew Johnson.
It's a shame the supreme court made terrible decisions against the people. Rest in peace Eugene Debs.
Debs was a true patriot. He fought for the people and there’s power wherever there’s people! ALL POWER to the people. ✊
@Spongebrain97
4 жыл бұрын
Bernie sanders did a 29 minute documentary about Eugene Debs in 1979 which is very interesting. The audio is here on KZread
@JudgeJudith
4 жыл бұрын
Creepy Closet Socialists sticking together
@BIGGS1
4 жыл бұрын
JudgeJudy solidarity is kinda a big deal to socialists
@xx_donkeyfucker_xx7910
4 жыл бұрын
LuckyJim_ laughs in end of the Spanish civil war
@htseg
4 жыл бұрын
Debs is not a patriot
The most surprising thing to me is that it was _unanimous_ , not even _one_ of the justices held free speech in high regard and stuck to his principles?
Reminder that the Espionage Act is still not repealed and now used almost exclusively to jail whistleblowers
As a Russian 10 years prison sentence for criticizing the war sounds oddly familiar.
The 1st Amendment: "Congress shall pass NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people to peacefully assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."Well, no law means no law. That's what it says. Congress can't make any restrictions whatsoever on what you can say or where you can say it.It's in the text of the Constitution.
@bisque6448
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, whether one agrees with Debs or not, the Constitution is clear on the matter. You can't just pick and choose when you want the constitution to apply or not. It's horrifying to think that once lawmakers had the audacity to pass legislation that criminalized criticizing the President.
@hugo52_
3 жыл бұрын
@@bisque6448 Whenever someone says we need to ban hate speech needs to think that if we ban one thing the government will start to ban more and more things to the point where critizing the government will be banned.
@zapazap
2 жыл бұрын
So no laws concerning shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre, or concerning libel or slander?
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
2 жыл бұрын
@@zapazap that’s different
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
2 жыл бұрын
@@zapazap “yelling fire in a crowded theater” was the bullshit excuse they used to suppress critics of the war, this should be taken with a grain of salt.
Swing and a miss for scotus. If free speech is to mean anything at all, criticizing the government's latest war has to be protected.
now i understand why Wilson was one of the worst presidents in history. he was like a dictator.
Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers, would have agreed with Debs
@zachzgod7354
3 жыл бұрын
Almost every president would agree with debs, I mean its pretty obvious
@robertgalvez9551
2 жыл бұрын
Except for the whole "laborers should own the products of their labor" thing lol, Jefferson would have HATED that
@greatkentuckian9032
2 жыл бұрын
@John Smith I don't know. The French were involved so he may have been like Wilson and give supplies
@retr0shea446
Жыл бұрын
yessir!
They are not" silly little videos", but both informative and well edited! Thanks.
@iammrbeat
6 жыл бұрын
+Neil Hasid Well thank you for the kind words. It means a lot. :D
While there is a lower class I am in it, while there is a criminal element I am of it, while there is a soul in prison I am not free.
@alexruddies1718
3 жыл бұрын
I have no country to fight for, the earth is my country and I am a citizen of the world.
Woodrow WIlson was our worst president
Wow, this was probably one of the worst rulings of the Supreme Court ever epically because it was a unanimous ruling! Look, I disagree with him against this anti-World War 1 thing, but it was within his First Amendment rights. If the court's main reason to jailing him was because of him speaking of free speech against war which would theoretically lead to resisting the draft, then why didn't everybody who listened to him get jailed then? I mean, it is not like he was forcing them to resist the draft. He was just saying his opinion, and it is out of his authority to control the decisions of other people. The government during this time expected LOYALTY from the American People to join the draft regardless of what they thought of the war. That is not how it is supposed to work. People who are in the military don't join because they are FORCED to, but they join VOLUNTARY. That's why the Founding Fathers didn't make a mandate in the Constitution to join the military, and this is one of the FUNDAMENTAL reasons why we give extra respect for our military veterans because we know that they VOLUNTARILY risked their lives to ensure the safety of our country.
@aaronbradley3232
5 жыл бұрын
Do you know anything about what was going on in the country around World War 1? If you don't I suggest you watch more mr. Beat videos. But what he said Deb's that is was completely correct. Woodrow diculous Wilson got himself elected because he Woodrow diculous Wilson got himself elected because he kept us out of war and then immediately get this wrapped up in the war.
@aaronbradley3232
5 жыл бұрын
I do agree this was another terrible decision that they haven't made a lot of good ones really. And even the ones you got good ones they made seem to be the opinions seem to be worded in a very, I don't know, dangerous, for lack of a better word, way
@bartholomewesperanza3442
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao theMCplayer2003 “disagrees” with Eugene Debs being against world war ONE. The first one, otherwise known as the completely and utterly pointless world war in which many men were drafted into and then died being gassed in a muddy trench
@hosti4051
3 жыл бұрын
@@bartholomewesperanza3442 absolutely. Many historians point to the fact that although germany was a monarchy at the time they started the war. In all likelihood the germany monarchy would've collapsed within a few decades and europe would've come out of world war 1 full of democratic nations anyway. It was just a war over land more than anything, as evident by all the annexing the allied powers did after the war.
@wormwood8352
3 жыл бұрын
@@hosti4051 interesting thing is that germany didnt even start world war one, they just got dragged into it after austria, their ally, started ww1 after declaring war on serbia- and serbia then called upon russia, their ally, to enter the war; the russians called upon their allies in britain and france, and the rest is history. ww1 was completely pointless with no clear goal on either side from the get go, it was absolutely avoidable and didnt need to happen and only happened because of messy european alliances and needless militarism. a shame, as without ww1 having happened the holocaust likely would have been avoided. a sad, sad shame.
Definitely an underrated person in history
So people could be striped from voting rights? So much for democracy.
@Quinntus79
3 жыл бұрын
Still happens. In most states, ex-felons who served their prison sentence aren’t allowed to vote, or have to wait years to be re-enfranchised. People wonder why the US has such a high criminal recidivism rate. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that stop treating ex-convicts as human and treat them as criminals.
@GreenArt4
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quinntus79 Over 10% of voters in Florida can't vote due to past convictions. Over 900k people can't vote simply because they can't afford to pay their fees.
Gosh, imagine if Debs had won the presidency while in prison! 😳 Of course, he basically had NO chance at all because of the first red scare, but anyhow…
this was great! Im really glad your channel has grown so much, been here since 2k.
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
+HA Rathburn Thank you so much. You get extra credit for being with my channel in the 2K days. :)
Thanks again Mr. Beat! Can't wait for the next one
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Harmer Heck yeah! It was a fun one to research.
The draft is unconstitutional.
@TheTimoprimo
6 жыл бұрын
Flame Fusion Under what Article and Section, or Amendment?
@flamefusion8963
6 жыл бұрын
TheTimoprimo Under the 13th Amendment, Section 1. "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Forcing someone to do something against their will is involuntary servitude and such a service entails the possibility of being killed.
@roninref5152
6 жыл бұрын
Flame Fusion Yeah, man, having to do things against your will is, like, slavery, man. That's why jury duty is wrong, and so are, like, taxes and child support, and schooling, man. The litany of conscriptions that were invoked by both federal and state authorities and implicitly put in the evil 2nd amendment are all, like, just distortions. We won't ever have to fight anyway, we just, like, gotta talk out the disagreements. That's how societies really live on, dude.
@roninref5152
6 жыл бұрын
Flame Fusion No, but you're obviously a simpleton, so I thought I'd come down to your level and try beatnick speak
@flamefusion8963
6 жыл бұрын
Cryptic Cypher Whatever dude. If you aren't going to address any of my arguments then I don't care to discuss with you.
You should do United States v. Wheeler and the Bisbee Deportation. It's an important case about freedom of movement, and its interpretation greatly affects the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the Constitution.
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
+ThePooper3000 I love it. Are you a Patreon supporter? If so, I am mostly sure that Pooper3000 is not your legal name? :)
@ThePooper3000
7 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Beat Sorry, I'm not a Patreon supporter. :/ I ain't got the money to support KZreadrs; student debts are crippling.
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
+ThePooper3000 I hear you. Freaking college debt. Well thanks for watching, and I can still add that one to my long term list. :)
@ThePooper3000
7 жыл бұрын
Keep up with the great work, Mr. Beat :)
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Nice meeting you at Vidcon, very cool channel! Best of luck with it :D
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
It was nice meeting you as well. Stay in touch, and let me know if you ever draw any historical figures!
Debs is one of my heroes. I wonder what one of my other heroes, Smedley Butler, had to say about him.
You could run for president from prison?? Damn it!
@iammrbeat
2 жыл бұрын
😆
0:42 One of my top favorite quotes and is so true
Eugene Debs was a hero to his country.
Thanks
thank you for helping me on understanding the Korematsu case for a History Class
Woodrow Wilson was evil
Let's go socialism
I find pretty interesting this video series about important trials. Maybe you could make one talking about double jeopardy and about how, despite double jeopardy being a thing, people can be tried for the same exact crime in different instances of justice (like in federal, state and military level)
@iammrbeat
6 жыл бұрын
That would be a great topic to explore. Thanks for the suggestion.
Debs is just downright awesome
Congrats, man! You're less than 40 subscribers away from 10K! When are you gonna do that Q&A you said you'd do when you got 10K?
@iammrbeat
7 жыл бұрын
+Alex Well, I've been waiting until I surpassed that bloody number lol, so hopefully very soon.
Ayyyy found it Mr Beat !!
What is this bulshit!?!? Someone should’ve fired this court. Literally. I mean literally set fire to them.
President during this time: Woodrow WILLSON Chief Justice: Edward D. White Argued January 27-28, 1919 Decided March 10, 1919 Case Duration: 42 Days Decision: 9-0 in favor of US
"freedom"
Can anyone imagine how much worse things could be if the Bill of Rights was not included in the adoption of the US constitution given how these same rights can/are limited...even today. What a horrible ruling in the case presented.
I've recently read a book called the hope chest, its about women's rights, and there was a section where this dude named Mr. Martin who was being chased down by Palmer Agents because he spoke against the government, it was extremely fascinating. This video is very useful because it elaborates. Thanks, Mr. Beat. P.S: This is like saying you can't have an opinion.
Wouldn't surprise me if this became a reality again.
@Quinntus79
2 жыл бұрын
Which part limiting free speech, or a candidate running for President from prison?
@bfun4615
2 жыл бұрын
History repeats itself.
Debs is one of my personal heroes. I was at the 100th anniversary event in Canton, OH of Debs' anti-draft speech, put on by the local Democratic Socialists of America chapter. Was lightly attended. it should be noted that the ACLU was founded directly because of Wilson's WWI free speech restrictions and the Sedition Act.
Debs would have been amazing president
Freedom of speech, but not for thee
First Amendment rights get significantly reduced during wartime.
Debs is one of the country’s greatest heroes
4:20 Rare good thing Harding did while President.
This gave me a better view of Debs. Before I thought he was just a dirty commie. Now I realize he was a courageous man who really believed in his own rights. Thanks Mr. Beat!
Wilson should’ve went to prison for making the act.
Yo you should've mentioned how he got nearly 1,000,000 votes!
I don’t like socialism, but dang. Let the man speak his mind.
Can you do a video on how and why FDR was able to imprison Japanese citizens and seize their businesses and property without any due process what so ever?
@the4tierbridge
3 жыл бұрын
He has a video on Korematsu V. United States.
I side with debs
Reason Woodrow Wilson was the worst number 169
Another one for Mr. Wilson.
But freedom of speech? What’s the point of freedom of speech if u can’t criticize the government
a "dirty socialist"? what does that mean
@K.C.-Games
4 жыл бұрын
Dirty Socialists are far in the left and is pretty similar to communist ideas
debs is so based
I’m convinced they voted against him because they didn’t want to get thrown in prison themselves
Did a whole paper on this case in my American History II class for my final paper in college. I felt this was my best paper, but my professor thought my paper in his other class that I was taking from him on the Anti-Masonic Party was better. This is an interesting case, nonetheless.
WILL!! SON!!
Mr. Beat you should make a video talking about the life of Eugene V. Debbs (Kind of the Bernie Sanders of the 20th century)
@TheRenegade...
3 жыл бұрын
Except that Debs was a socialist and Bernie Sanders isn't
@jstevinik3261
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRenegade... I wrote a bio on Salvador Allende, socialist former President of Chile.
Easiest way out of prison early is to be elected president and pardon yourself
If anyone really thinks Debs was a "dirty socialist" and they're not part of the predatory ruling class, then their programming worked on you.
Prison took a tool on his health? In other words, they gave him the Assange treatment.
So when he was freed from prison does that mean he was able to vote again or was the conviction still valid? If you got a presidential pardon he definitely would have been able to vote again?
It’s funny how the U.S. has the first amendment, but restricts it when we need the amendment most. Think the Civil War, WW2, etc…
This decision was BULL.
Don't understand why Debs was arrested, convicted, and sentenced to prison for alleged sedition re: American involvement in WWI when THE WAR HAD ENDED already, the armistice going into effect a week before. Even the Supreme Court upheld his conviction, fully cognizant the war was over. I don't understand this at all! Good for President Harding, seeing to Debs' release in 1921, better late than never. I feel sorry for Debs, though, as his time in prison impaired his health, leading to his death 5 years after getting out. Poor man, very shabbily treated, a mark against the entire Supreme Court at that time, including the venerable old sage Oliver Wendell Holmes.
What's the music in the video?
So, the US used to be like Russia.
@PowersOfDarkness
Жыл бұрын
still is in many ways,
This is my least favorite Supreme Court decision. Eugene Debs is my favorite person to run for president.
@wormwood8352
3 жыл бұрын
uhh okay listen i say this from the perspective of a huge debs fan and a very radical leftist but i feel like the dred scott case was a little more awful since it not only failed to make slavery illegal but actually empowered the institution of slavery in america. thats not to say that the debs case was not extremely important and a massive mistake for the scotus, all im saying is that its a bit of a jump from literally endorsing slavery lol
@anticorncob6
3 жыл бұрын
@@wormwood8352 I think Debs vs United States was the most constitutionally incorrect supreme court decision ever, even if not the most morally reprehensible one. It should've been 9-0 the other way. And if today's congress passed something like that, I think all the modern justices would rightly strike it down.
That brings up a question, what would'ved happened had he won? Would he be president but stock in prison ? Would he just get to walk out?
my man eugene debs was done dirty
Damn...
All speech should be free.
I am not Eugene Debs fan. But this was a horrible choice from the supreme Court. All of those justices should have lost their jobs for failing to hold up the first amendment.
@avus-kw2f213
10 ай бұрын
Machine guns should be legal
An episode of Family Ties brought this case to my attention. I think Alex was disgusted to admit that an avowed Socialist was correct and that we shouldn't be afraid of new ideas.
In the spirit of the debs video. February 27, in 1939, the Supreme Court decided in the case of NLRB v. Fansteel Metallurgical Coorp. that sit-down-strikes, where the strikers occupy their stations, preventing replacement workers from taking over, were essentially illegal.
The powerful will always ptotect system and the powerful.
Another reason Warren Harding was a great President.
I don't agree with Eugene Debs ideology, but he sure was a badass! Rest in piece
So, during that time it was ok to segregate pupils based on the ethnicity but it wasn't ok to talk against war.
9 Traitors
Debs was obviously unaware of the Haitian Revolutionary war started by the people
I love Eugene Debs
That war certainly changed things. Not for the better. The biggest failure of course is that we had to go out and do it all over again just two decades later.
What kind of fucking decision is this???? Wtf. This is a gag law.
Gotta love the espionage act
What a guy
Or, he was very old.
dirty socialist?? that a joke?
If Debs was able to run from Prison and gain 3.5% of popular votes in 1920, I am worried how much the former president from 2016..2020 would be able to earn when he is sentenced. He might be approaching a Rubicon.