Going Solar? Watch this torture test!

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Part 3, Schneider Inverter. We push it to it's limits by load testing it.
This is a heavy, transformer based inverter made for off grid and on grid both. This makes it a hybrid inverter. The Schneider XW PRO 6848 is battery based for any nominal 48V battery including lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4).
In this video I put the inverter through rigorous load testing. Will it meet the spec in the manual? I throw power tools on it, water heaters, space heaters, etc. I try to load this XW PRO.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:00 Overload Duration test on 240V
4:56 Power Tools on Inverter, 12" Miter Saw
7:59 Welding off grid
11:21 L1-N, Load Imbalance Testing
21:36 Conclusion
Download the Operation Guide for the XW PRO inverter here: solar.se.com/us/en/product/xw...
Scroll down and click on "User Documentation" then you can download the "XW PRO Owners Guide_990-91227"
PDP stands for Power Distribution Panel. Schneider makes two models of the PDP for the XW PRO inverter. There is a small, and large PDP. Both come with one 250A circuit breaker as a battery disconnect, and some AC circuit breakers. Both have a means to connect the single 250A breaker to one inverter.
The small PDP is made for one inverter only. It takes up less room, and costs a little less than the full size. As of this video, it is about $650 which makes it a real bargain if you know for certain you only need one inverter. This mounts under the inverter.
The large PDP takes up a little more room than the small PDP. It mounts next to the inverter, and comes with a wire-way that mounts under the inverter. The large PDP can accommodate up to 3 inverters allowing you to expand your system over time. As of this video, it costs about $1,200. It's only worth it if you know you will want more than one inverter (now or in the future).
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  • @ericbentsen1597
    @ericbentsen1597 Жыл бұрын

    Starting that chop saw while overloaded is incredible, as they typically have a high startup current. Nice work capturing the difference a toroidal transformer can make.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I was pretty thrilled with that one.

  • @cgutowski471
    @cgutowski471 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve been waiting so long for a video like this for the XW. Thank you! Impressive capabilities for an inexpensive inverter/charger. I think more people need to truly understand the impact of surge, specifically on those high frequency inverters like EG4, Sol-Ark, MPP, Grow Watt, etc. Seems like the XW can take it, no issue. Great video!

  • @jorgecolon6794
    @jorgecolon6794Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the helpful info it was painful to watch execting the inverter to shut down. Great video.

  • @yankey4
    @yankey4 Жыл бұрын

    LOVE THIS! Thank you for doing this ! Love how much time and along with clarity in your videos. I 100% am sold now on Schneider for my home in the future!! God Bless

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Your welcome. Thanks for appreciating the time involved.

  • @davidchristensen1219

    @davidchristensen1219

    Жыл бұрын

    I can say that I've been running my off-grid property for 2 years now on the XW Pro and it has done amazing! I have a 2nd unit I'm going to install once our house is done and we get all those 240V appliances online.

  • @OhJohnnyO

    @OhJohnnyO

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy how many of these can be paralleled ?

  • @maverickmacgyver
    @maverickmacgyver Жыл бұрын

    The grinding hum of success! This is a great video!! I have an off grid welding shop in a shipping container using a XW6048 with a rather small 400AH AGM battery bank. The XW6048 is over 12 years old and runs a tiny office, metal saws, drill press and a Millermatic 212 MIG welder. The XW line is rather bullet proof and has proven performance & longevity.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    12 years doing that! Wow, quite a testimonial. Thanks for sharing.

  • @KevinGebo
    @KevinGebo Жыл бұрын

    Great video as always David! I always love watching your load test videos. Nice to see the inverter meet it's rated specs (for the most part). Looking forward to seeing the imbalance test after firmware update!

  • @TimothyEdgin
    @TimothyEdgin Жыл бұрын

    I also ran my XW Pro well above the the 12Kw- briefly pulled 13Kw. David Poz got me started on my solar hobby lol! Thanks for all the hard work.

  • @jermainwhyte6894

    @jermainwhyte6894

    Жыл бұрын

    How load is the humming or fan noise please? I have a 12gw growatt that’s messing with my ears. Can you used a decibel meeting to check. Thanks

  • @meganwinters5163
    @meganwinters5163 Жыл бұрын

    Much appreciated David!!! Love the capabilities & variety of loads shown in this video, great job Sir! Also thank you for your service; Happy Veterans Day 🇺🇸

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching and leaving a comment

  • @TheWickerShireProject
    @TheWickerShireProject Жыл бұрын

    Needed a white wig mad scientist look for this. Great system and test. Our beast is still doing great. I had to rewire the array to boost the voltage. Been running 75v 82v Now 102 to 118. Pushing amps.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Nice. Still running the Aims inverter?

  • @TheWickerShireProject

    @TheWickerShireProject

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy Yes sir! She's going strong!

  • @charlesdavis7461
    @charlesdavis7461 Жыл бұрын

    The trees by your house look beautiful. Love to see a young man succeed as you and your wife seem to have done. I enjoy your videos just don't understand anything.

  • @realvanman1
    @realvanman1 Жыл бұрын

    That's a very nice machine. I now have no doubt that it has it's roots in the Trace Engineering SW series. Very cool that those live on in some form.

  • @AffordablePC1
    @AffordablePC1 Жыл бұрын

    Very good hardware, we resell here in the UK. If you stack the inverters the outputs double and quadruple.... etc, ALL THE OUTPUTS!

  • @ThePytercoyote
    @ThePytercoyote Жыл бұрын

    Is also a very good thing to know that manufacturers (Schneider in this case) deliver products that works as you'll expect and as they are advertised... 😎

  • @josesantana6412
    @josesantana641210 ай бұрын

    Hi David, I think you should do another test to XW, being connected to the grid with a load of 9000 W and disconnecting the grid to see what happens. That would be a great test to show the people. Thanks.

  • @Dudleymiddleton
    @Dudleymiddleton Жыл бұрын

    You really caned that inverter! - the best way to really test it thank you for sharing.

  • @liveinfoportal
    @liveinfoportal Жыл бұрын

    wow... that's a monster of an inverter

  • @JayDee25895
    @JayDee25895 Жыл бұрын

    Great review thanks for all the time and effort you put into your channel, IT SHOWS!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I appreciate you saying that.

  • @pheorrungurd8746
    @pheorrungurd8746 Жыл бұрын

    Oh damn, that thing is a monster!

  • @jacquesdutron9954
    @jacquesdutron9954 Жыл бұрын

    Hello DTG, I like to hear your signature laughter when you're excited. (Thx again Dave The Great)

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Ha, never heard that nickname before. But I'll take it. Thanks for enjoying the video with me.

  • @jacquesdutron9954

    @jacquesdutron9954

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy well, you love what you do at it shows. I'm very grateful for all you do and specially, when you don't know whether to go with the XW Pro, the 15K Solark and the Growatts like me. Thx for your tremendous efforts to educate us, and guide for a better off grid.

  • @tumbleweed1976
    @tumbleweed1976 Жыл бұрын

    David you are an impressive human! Thank you for sharing these videos 🎈

  • @robr1656
    @robr1656 Жыл бұрын

    Highly IMPRESSIVE!

  • @norsk54472
    @norsk54472 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video, thanks for the effort. It is an impressive inverter. the MPPT 60 150 Charge controllers are rock solid as well, those I have had for several years now

  • @josedurand2144
    @josedurand2144 Жыл бұрын

    I've installed three of these at my house. Fully off grid!!!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @beckfordelectrical
    @beckfordelectrical Жыл бұрын

    Man I’ve been waiting on this video so long. Thanks David appreciate your good work and for people to make there mind up an what they should expect from inverters like this.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad to help.

  • @MJ-ge6jz
    @MJ-ge6jz Жыл бұрын

    Ok, that's it! I'm getting this inverter! This high end inverter should last for 20 years if taken good care of. Guarding any lightning or EMP strikes that is.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Very cool. If you do decide to go forward, please consider buying it through my affiliate links in the description. It really helps the channel.

  • @excillisbank2611
    @excillisbank2611 Жыл бұрын

    Effectivement les coefficients de fonctionnement sont assez impressionnant ! merci pour ce superbe test pour ce magnifique onduleur XW PRO 6848 de chez SIGNATURE SOLAR. 👍

  • @williamdenham8018
    @williamdenham8018 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! You should work for Consumer Reports, lol. I guess it is a no brainer that if you are off-grid and need a robust system especially for shop tooling or window acon or other DON'T buy a transformerless inverter unless you like a world of nuisance pain.

  • @DNomer
    @DNomer Жыл бұрын

    Good going. Nice suite of tests.

  • @benssolarandbattery
    @benssolarandbattery Жыл бұрын

    This is awesome!! Nice work putting it through it's paces. That must have taken FOREVER!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    It sure did. But, hey, haven't you been testing yours? :)

  • @brentjohnson6654
    @brentjohnson6654 Жыл бұрын

    Another very good video. Looking forward to viewing more.

  • @rpetty
    @rpetty Жыл бұрын

    Great video and testing. Thank you.

  • @christelting1359
    @christelting1359 Жыл бұрын

    I had never heard of Schneider before. The low idle makes them a serious contender when I do 48v. And if I understood correctly you can team up to three of them together for more capacity.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Up to 4 in single phase, and up to 6 in 3 phase.

  • @alandonnels7382
    @alandonnels7382 Жыл бұрын

    Make sure that you are not powering the system thru the Schneider when you do the firmware update. I am completely offgrid and have to run the generator and switch to generator power in the PDP. Problem is during the firnware update the inverter will restart. Your insight, internet router needs independent power source or the firmware update fails. I have the XW6848+ for the house and a XW 5548 for the garage/workshop. The 5548 powers my 18amp Powermatic table saw and 12 amp dust collector with no problem.

  • @ThisRandomUsername
    @ThisRandomUsername Жыл бұрын

    I think your conclusion sounds about right. The hardware engineers would have run the load simulations or actual tests and given marketing their numbers. The firmware engineers would've likely implemented it by the time release came, but full firmware tests or other processes wouldn't have been done on that new firmware by the time the units were ready to ship. Older firmware was probably tested earlier.

  • @SpencerLAPower
    @SpencerLAPower Жыл бұрын

    Please do an in-depth video of connecting the inside home to the Wi-Fi network and Cloud that would be a great big help to a lot of people

  • @Ted...youtubee

    @Ted...youtubee

    Жыл бұрын

    Thinking the same. Whilst away from home would be good to remote in and check on the unit.

  • @randycollins5981
    @randycollins5981 Жыл бұрын

    This may be why Signature Solar haven’t sent any EG4 invertors .wow.that’s a test

  • @DrairoOrtiz
    @DrairoOrtiz Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this amazing video, I was considering to purchase a second XW but now that you showed us and explained there's no need for me. I will do need the insight home for monitoring and firmware upgrades. Looking forward for those videos. Thank you very much for taking the time for doing research I know is a time consuming🙂.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Your welcome. I'm planning to buy a second inverter next year. That will allow me to add an EV charger. But, I'm waiting to buy an EV before buying the second inverter.

  • @DrairoOrtiz

    @DrairoOrtiz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy Planing on buying an EV SUV too (for my wife), but didn't know I need another inverter for that purpose plus larger PDP(have the small one). I guess I'll stick with your videos because I'm ki d of new on that field.

  • @mibrahim59
    @mibrahim59 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for your great efforts, I strongly need the three phase operation using three split inverters. I am looking forward to your video recommendation

  • @organiclove1
    @organiclove1 Жыл бұрын

    An enjoyable video to watch.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @Upliftyourbrothers
    @Upliftyourbrothers Жыл бұрын

    A beast. Now if they could just modernize the software/support. Or a all in one package deal. They need to get this into the masses.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, it would be nice if some form of communication (like bluetooth to an app) would be built into this from the factory.

  • @Upliftyourbrothers

    @Upliftyourbrothers

    Жыл бұрын

    Schneider should team up with a few off grid guys like yourself. Solve issues, new software with easy DIY installs. They would sell like hotcakes. A quality option vs a growwatt.

  • @Upliftyourbrothers

    @Upliftyourbrothers

    Жыл бұрын

    Power companies should be afraid of these.

  • @davidchristensen1219

    @davidchristensen1219

    Жыл бұрын

    I have my setup integrated w/Home Assistant. I do have the Conext Gateway and I use the TCPModbus feature in the gateway. Once you get the gateway online, you'll have a whole host of things you can do. The cloud feature is eh for control. It's main features are centered around on-grid reporting. But since I use Home Assistant and have a way to connect to HA from anywhere I have internet, I can report and control directly there as well do all kinds of graphing and reporting.

  • @mikehulbert9279

    @mikehulbert9279

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidchristensen1219 Any good write ups on this? Or are you just adding all of the Modbus registers and logging them? Thanks!

  • @RedBatteryHead
    @RedBatteryHead Жыл бұрын

    Surely impressive tests. Looks like a solid buy.

  • @Songomx
    @Songomx Жыл бұрын

    Hell of an Inverter...!!!

  • @enriquerodea5824
    @enriquerodea5824 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks from México

  • @ThePytercoyote
    @ThePytercoyote Жыл бұрын

    Great video yeah 👍🏻! Even though I don't understand everything was good to know some in's and out's about how it works... Thank you David... I'm trying to put a system to run a AC, some PCs and Tvs and some lights and other day to day devices when I move... And this info is awesome.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad it will help you.

  • @clarencewiles963
    @clarencewiles963 Жыл бұрын

    So your satisfied over the Growatt! So thanks again for your work!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Both the Growatts and this Schneider have been able to power my whole house without shutting down. I'm happy with both. The Growatts are less money, but I have found the power from the Schneider is more stable, and better quality.

  • @clarencewiles963

    @clarencewiles963

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy is it always the update? Bottom line is all the manufacturers are improving and still the prices are coming down. Thanks.

  • @norsk54472

    @norsk54472

    Жыл бұрын

    @@clarencewiles963 the latest firmware is data 18 Aug 2021 Release 120-240V Firmware 01.11.01 Build 0049 - current bits from their website. Amazing they haven't gotten the manufacturing process updated with those bits, unless they have had over a year's worth of inventory sitting in a warehouse. What firmware is currently installed - oh you will need the InsightLocal setup to determine that

  • @offgridwanabe
    @offgridwanabe Жыл бұрын

    Amazing and the price is right.

  • @ronbridegroom8428
    @ronbridegroom8428 Жыл бұрын

    Happy Veterans Day David!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @Baina24
    @Baina24 Жыл бұрын

    That was amazing!! Thank you!!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Your welcome

  • @bubbawubba2307
    @bubbawubba2307 Жыл бұрын

    Like the all seeing eye of horos for your shirt

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    The shirt is from Shaws hiker hostel in Maine. I built him a little solar system about a year and a half ago.

  • @wayne8113
    @wayne8113 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks David

  • @NienteNessuno
    @NienteNessuno Жыл бұрын

    Amazong video, and amazing inverter!!

  • @phatfendrs
    @phatfendrs Жыл бұрын

    Nice toys!

  • @keything8487
    @keything8487 Жыл бұрын

    great video !....... i would like to see this beast after the update. the L1-N test maxed out is awesome. could we see a load ((minimal- 120v 5-10a) on L2)) while the L1-N test is going on. just wanted to see if that takes anything away from the max numbers you achieved. keep up the good work !!!

  • @scheffman
    @scheffman Жыл бұрын

    Love your channel Dave! I've been wrestling the "AC Coupling" functions with my Conext. Hope you dive into some of the more detailed settings.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm testing out some AC coupling right now. What challenges are you facing?

  • @scheffman

    @scheffman

    Жыл бұрын

    I was having trouble with maximum wattage input, while trying different grid profiles. I'm on an Enphase system and neither Schneider or them can make recommendations. Im excited to see what you end up with. Love that your tackling the Conext line.

  • @qapla
    @qapla Жыл бұрын

    Very informative. I like how you really push the tests (not sure what your wife thinks when stuff just shuts off). This system sounds good - if it just didn't cost so much. As a side note: I like your look better with the short hair and clean shaven.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    During much of the testing I had the house on grid power. I didn't want to disturb my wife, but also I wanted to control the loads throughout the test duration.

  • @phillipsusi1791
    @phillipsusi1791 Жыл бұрын

    Wow.. nice... about a decade ago I was reading all of the specs on that Xantrex/Schiender XW system and was very impressed. IIRC, you can gang up to 3 of them in parallel for 18 kW continuous / 36 kW peak load.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't know what the specs were a decade ago, but this current version (XW PRO) can parallel 4 inverters in split phase, or 6 inverters in 3 phase.

  • @phillipsusi1791

    @phillipsusi1791

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy So they allow 4 now? Nice. I always wondered why they limited it to 3. If you can do 2, you can do 20+.

  • @Tiersmoke92555
    @Tiersmoke92555 Жыл бұрын

    I have been in love with this inverter since 2013. I have the AIMS 4k 240v 48v now and run all of my 120v and one 240v load. The aims is strong for what you pay it been since about 2015 running 24/7. I want the shneider but my wallet is saying AIMS 6k 240v 48v inverter charger.

  • @Doctorbasss
    @Doctorbasss Жыл бұрын

    Low frequency transformer inverter WIN !

  • @Rj-nh1df
    @Rj-nh1df Жыл бұрын

    Growatt Vs Schneider Inverter...I'm TORN.. I'm all out of faith, this is how I feel I'm cold and I am shamed Lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed Into something real, I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn, You're a little late, I'm already torn.

  • @dobrzpe
    @dobrzpe Жыл бұрын

    remember: the internal contactors/transfer switchs are rated at 60A per leg. so there is that too. and HONESTLY, i'm surprised you were able to get in touch, LET ALONE AN ANSWER from schneider! period. their customer service sux. bad! LOVE my equipment thou. your video proves they are rock solid. CHEERS!

  • @byronsbungl
    @byronsbungl Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much.

  • @GapRecordingsNamibia
    @GapRecordingsNamibia Жыл бұрын

    LF inverters rock, My Victron has been running flawlessly for more than 7 years with basically 0 issues, the only thing I've had to do is firmware, all the other stuff like blowing out the housing to keep it as dust free as possible is just part of maintenance for me..

  • @thhillbillyinventor105
    @thhillbillyinventor105 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video . Would be curious though when you do the update on the settings if it improves any of the other test .

  • @TheNerdy1
    @TheNerdy1 Жыл бұрын

    David, thank you for all your hard work and commitment to this and every other video you make. This sounds like a great inverter. Is this able to also run your home HVAC equipment at the same time?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    My property is 100% electric. When I say I run my home on the inverter, I mean just that. No tricks. I don't have a separate "critical loads panel". I don't separate out my electric heating, or electric dryer, etc. I run my whole house and garage off the grid. Plain and simple. I understand the need for clarification because there are so many KZreadrs using this term willy-nilly. Instead of a person stating "I run my house off grid, except for..." I wish the common language was changed to stating "I run a small critical loads panel off grid". But I don't think that will happen any time soon. LOL

  • @TheNerdy1

    @TheNerdy1

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@DavidPozEnergy that's incredible. Sorry if I sounded critical of you running 100% off grid on this single inverter. I do believe you and trust your videos a lot. I am very interested in how you manage to run a stove/oven, dryer and HVAC all on 6.8kW. Granted your video demonstrated that this beast can run for 30+ minutes at 8.5kW, so I understand the potential for startup surges. Perhaps a video providing a more in-depth look at to what that looks like could be helpful to others. This makes me reconsider my needs as I have a heat pump hot water heater and heat pump dryer. My largest loads are my stove/oven and 2 ton heat pump for HVAC.

  • @ugetridofit
    @ugetridofit Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Next hi load test could you share what the DC current its pulling from the batteries.

  • @Leo-cl1xq
    @Leo-cl1xq2 ай бұрын

    Like to see the same test with the software update

  • @joeyoutdoors
    @joeyoutdoors Жыл бұрын

    EasyStart™ 368 Soft Starter just answered my own question

  • @realvanman1
    @realvanman1 Жыл бұрын

    It appears as if your watt hour meters are reading the current from one line, and the voltage from the other. During the one line load test, the voltage on the line under test went up, and the voltage on the unloaded line went down.

  • @fadajuiceful
    @fadajuiceful Жыл бұрын

    Beast

  • @solexxx8588
    @solexxx8588 Жыл бұрын

    Good review David. Too pricey for me for off grid. No built in MPPT charger so that's even more you have to spend. A 120V welder is not much load. It only can draw 15 or 20 amps depending on the breaker and wire size. My 12KW low frequency off grid Aims inverter will take a surge of 36Kw. The transformerless inverters cant compete with the helow frequency transformer inverters. I still run 2X the Growatt 5000ES for my house. I like the built in 500 volt MPPT charger for batteries from my 18kW of solar.

  • @jacquesdutron9954
    @jacquesdutron9954 Жыл бұрын

    Hello DTG, thx a lot again for such a tremendous expertise. I just can't get away from AGM batteries. I like them specially, the way you connect them. Call me "ancient" but if I ever go lithium, I would rather deal with discovery aes 2,000 amp or 6,500 amp per battery. (They too come in 24 volt configuration for the 2,000 amp and 48 volt for the 6,550 amp) You can even mount them upside down for proximity reasons. Once again thank you so much for all you do DTG. PS (Would you one day do a dual testing? Pairing 2 XW?)

  • @kimnguutv9661
    @kimnguutv9661 Жыл бұрын

    TUYỆT VỜI

  • @horsreseauquebec
    @horsreseauquebec Жыл бұрын

    Good job on gathering this data. I will soon publish a video with a 120V MIG flux core welder. Sadly, the Renogy 12V 3000W fails to do it, the welder just shut down at the moment of the first arc. So I connected a 12V Magnum 2800W inverter which does it, it will fail after about 1 min of constant soldering. Now I decided to go 24V, so I just got another 24V Magnum, I have some stuff to solder, I hope it will last more than 1 minute! Also noticed the Stihl 120V 1800W chainsaw is more powerful and start more instantly with the Magnum. The 5000W and 8000W WZRELB inverters are dead (blown mosfets), so let's assume the test fails.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Nice testing. Magnum has a nice big transformer in it. I've heard good things about Magnum, but never had the pleasure of testing them .

  • @Scat.original
    @Scat.original Жыл бұрын

    What size of solar array do you have? and do you have a video of that connected to this system? Thanks, great video

  • @compass504
    @compass504 Жыл бұрын

    Great Video.. Thanks. Question? Have you seen the panel rack built by the UT channel "Ambition Strikes?" Wow! You have to go back 4 and 5 months ago.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, on the shipping container.

  • @highonahill
    @highonahill Жыл бұрын

    If you want that much power off grid and reliably give you power for 20 years then buy an outback radian or this. Period. These newer small lightweight transformerless inventers are terrible at holding voltage and frequency during heavier load applications. A good rule is for every 1 KW, an inverter should weigh at least 15 lb.

  • @adassociates8235
    @adassociates823511 ай бұрын

    Are you going to switch Growatt Inverters with Schneider one? Seem likes a almost perfect Inverter 😊 Thank you David, you are tha man😃😃😃😃

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    11 ай бұрын

    Yes, I did. I've been running my whole property (house and garage) on this one Schneider inverter for several months. I did pick up a second one because I want to add an EV charger eventually, but I don't have an EV yet.

  • @adassociates8235

    @adassociates8235

    11 ай бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy Perfect, will install same when we are ready, Thank you David🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    11 ай бұрын

    Glad to help. If you want an easy way to support the channel, please make your purchase through my affiliate link: signaturesolar.com/?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF- They sell the batteries and Schneider equipment.

  • @adassociates8235

    @adassociates8235

    11 ай бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy Definitely will do that👍

  • @hartjamesm
    @hartjamesm Жыл бұрын

    Schneider has settings built in as default that kick off an alarm sooner. They are likely correct that firmware will fix. What I really want to see is its possible to load microinverters on the Grid-in AC side to get direct AC from PV panels (while off grid) . I called Schneider and they said they officially don't support the configuration but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

  • @matthewuniac1490

    @matthewuniac1490

    Жыл бұрын

    Whoops I misread this. I'm AC coupled on the scout side.

  • @SetchiPaunda
    @SetchiPaunda Жыл бұрын

    amazingly I have seen videos where "so-called" solar experts have dogged the Schneider out and said Sol Ark was better....LOL.....I have never seen any of Schneider inverters go bad, only one DOA. Replaced very quickly

  • @nickrhee7178
    @nickrhee71789 ай бұрын

    David, I am trying to select either Schneider XW-pro with its charge controller, insight home, etc. or a pair of Victron Multiplus II 48V 5000VA inverters to generate 120/240 split phase. I would like to see you comparing these two in terms of different metrics -cost, surge capability, power, easy to do configuration setting, difficulty of installation, etc. If I go with Victron inverter I will buy Victron charge controller, Cerbo Gx, Lynx distributor, etc. It will be awesome if you come up with scores of these metrics for two high quality products. Thanks. Nick

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    9 ай бұрын

    Both are high quality brands. Both will provide an exceptionally clean sine-wave, high efficiency, and low idle. You won't go wrong with either. The first question would be about permits and inspection. Schneider has set up their equipment to all be UL Listed. From the Inverter, PDP, wire-way, and charge controllers. So if you are worried about passing an electrical inspection, Schneider is the way to go. The second question is the maximum load. Victron 5000, is a 4,000 Watt cont. This means 8kW total cont (two units in parallel). That beats out a single Schneider at 6.8kW cont. I would love to test the Victron setup in a similar over-loading test at some point. But, I don't have the finances to buy a whole Victron system just for a video.

  • @salarhadi2988
    @salarhadi2988 Жыл бұрын

    Hi david , did you test it with you light when you starting heavy load is there flicker in light at startup load like washing machine?!

  • @DavidHalko
    @DavidHalko Жыл бұрын

    On other 120/240 low frequency inverters, like Genetry Solar, also use firmware settings to limit power draw… so I am not surprised that this high end unit is supposed to limit in firmware.

  • @bonzology322
    @bonzology322 Жыл бұрын

    Nice work! Did you try the imbalance after the firmware upgrade?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, and the firmware did increase the imbalance. I didn't expect it to, but it's cool.

  • @theantasist
    @theantasist Жыл бұрын

    Great video David 👍. Question: Do you have or need a grounding rod for your off grid system?

  • @hartjamesm

    @hartjamesm

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes always add a grounding rod even in off grid. You may need to add two, per necc you should measure resistance, if to high add a second.

  • @audreye7078

    @audreye7078

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hartjamesm there are videos that indicate only 1 location for ground otherwise you might create a loop that is dangerous

  • @charlessailer4580
    @charlessailer45805 ай бұрын

    I have a ground source heat pump with an LRA of 83amps. Do you think this inverter can handle that? A soft start could bring that LRA down to 30 amps.

  • @joseo.cordero7286
    @joseo.cordero7286 Жыл бұрын

    Nice review. This thing can really handle loads. How does it compare to the Sunny Island? Any comments? That SMA is also a beast.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I ran a pair of SMA's a while back. The SMA's are also built around a large toroidal transformer. Technically, each Sunny Island (yellow SMA) is rated for 5,750W cont., but that is pretty conservative. I took them up over 7kW (each) a few times and didn't have a problem. Since the SMA is 120V only, you need a pair to make 120/240V power. The Schneider is 120/240 out of the one inverter. But, if you plan on having 2 Schneiders, then I'd say the real-life experience will be the same as having 2 SMA's. In that, I don't think you would notice the difference day to day. However, the SMA's are a bit odd to program, but the Schneider is a little louder. I think both are good options.

  • @TrackGeeks
    @TrackGeeks Жыл бұрын

    Maybe one day we can test two in parallel. Assuming I ever get a house built. :D

  • @typxxilps
    @typxxilps Жыл бұрын

    now you can see the real size of it compaared to the first look overview where it did not look so huge like on your wall behind you. That is tall, really big compared to the Growatt in the background

  • @georgeemanson
    @georgeemanson Жыл бұрын

    Great video.... have you tested a Sol-Ark 12K inverter.?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, I have tested the Sol-Ark 12K inverter. I have a few videos on it from last year.

  • @craigmitchell5628
    @craigmitchell5628 Жыл бұрын

    David, thanks for the extensive testing. I noticed you said you had ran your whole house and garage off of it for a couple months with no problems. I would be interested in knowing ; What is your average monthly KWH usage according to your electric bill. What tonnage and seer rating is your heat pump. How much KW is your PV array.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I have about 12kW of solar in the backyard. I don't know my average kWh usage. I might be able to track that once I install the insight home. I have 2 heat pumps, one in the garage and one in the house. Both are 9,000BTU. But, over the last month I haven't needed to run either since my home is super-insulated and I'm covering my heating with passive solar gain.

  • @craigmitchell5628

    @craigmitchell5628

    Жыл бұрын

    So your not much over 50amps continuous.

  • @eastmanresearch3143
    @eastmanresearch3143 Жыл бұрын

    David, great video. Can you do a video doing a grid-shaving ability with this setup? I'd love to get one of these to work with my sunny islands on the AC side and peak shave my A/C usage. The sunny islands require some fudging of numbers using a microcontroller to spoof the LIBat voltage to backfeed the grid and documentation is nonsense as to how to accomplish this natively. I would prefer buying a pair of 6048's if they can ac couple and backfeed the grid to peak shave over a solark.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry, but I test these off grid.

  • @Miweatherspotter1

    @Miweatherspotter1

    Жыл бұрын

    What sort of testing do you want to do? I have the smaller version of this AC coupled with a SolarEdge inverter. I can tell you my experiences. Ac coupling works just fine I’ve been doing it for almost 5 years.

  • @Marker-er3ro
    @Marker-er3ro Жыл бұрын

    Hi David, thank you for the video, I’ve been looking at the XW6848 to AC couple with our solar. I’m curious if you could charge the batteries off grid with a 120v generator, like a smaller Honda eu2000?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I'll be doing some testing with a generator in a future video. I don't know If a 2000W will work or not. Personally, if I only had a 2000W generator, I'd just use a separate battery charger, tied to the dc busbars.

  • @Miweatherspotter1

    @Miweatherspotter1

    Жыл бұрын

    You would need a step up transformer if you wanted to use the L2 generator input it needs 240 V for the small 240 V generator can charge batteries I’ve done it with mine😊 there is a very nice setting in the generator set up menu that allows you to set maximum generator draw and it will run in parallel with the generator so you can take a small 240 V generator like mine told me 2000 W and I can run my whole house off of it with the inverter backing it up for additional load and then you can set how many amps you want to charge up the generator. In my case I have it set to 9 A at 240 V being a maximum draw from the generator so it will charge the batteries with extra from it or like the load to use it for supplemental load all automatically as needed. So when my solar is not keeping up and the grids down, I was able to just fire up the generator, plug it in and let it charge up the batteries and run the house at the same time.

  • @danchesney631
    @danchesney631 Жыл бұрын

    Welding gloves, apron, face shield, and ... bare legs!

  • @sebydocky5080
    @sebydocky5080 Жыл бұрын

    Great test... Do u have an idea of the self-consumption of this large inverter ?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    In the last video (Schneider Part 2) I showed the idle consumption of 31 Watts, as read on my Victron Smart Shunt. When I say "idle" I mean the inverter is ON, making a sinewave, but no loads.

  • @sebydocky5080

    @sebydocky5080

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy Thanks a lot David;;; 31W for such huge inverter is pretty awsome.... Only studer beats it (22W for the 8000VA model)

  • @christelting1359
    @christelting1359 Жыл бұрын

    Are there any other inverters that can compare with such a low idle? That you can team them up makes up for there not being larger models. They do need a redesign for the exterior of the case. The interior design... I have not seen butter. I really appreciate that this is an inverter and not a combo unit with a charge controller. Do one thing and do it well.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Speaking to idle consumption only: I think the Schneider is the most efficient. Second would probably be the Outback Radian, then third is the Victron Quattro. After that, in fourth place, it's probably a toss up to the newer EG4 models and Sol-Arks, but I'm not sure.

  • @joeyoutdoors
    @joeyoutdoors Жыл бұрын

    What inverter would you recommend for a 5 ton AC unit in Arizona? If my math is correct, the unit will pull 5Kwh per hour, Solar will be 18KW of panels and 30KWH EG4-LL v2.

  • @carlossantini
    @carlossantini Жыл бұрын

    Hi David, whats the idle consumption of the XW Pro 6848? No savings mode or search mode please!

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    31 Watts, as measured on my Victron Smart Shunt. I show this in the video where I hook up this inverter: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nI5-vLujctjOnrQ.html

  • @carlossantini

    @carlossantini

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy thx u

  • @ReadyNeck
    @ReadyNeck Жыл бұрын

    Are you able to compare efficiency of this inverter vs the growatts or others you’ve tested? Does the idle power usage or other factors come into play like no auto transformer needed and it’s additional power consumption etc?

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    I'll be doing a video just on efficiency in the future. I think the Schneider is the most efficient, but won't know until I fully run through the testing.

  • @PatLyoutubepage
    @PatLyoutubepage Жыл бұрын

    Now thats a serious inverter. How warm does the outside housing get during the overload testing? Would down time after each load help? Or maybe its ambient temperature limited and is heat soaked.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    The outside front panel got up to 90F on one of my tests. I waited a minimum of 1 hour between each test. There are internal temperature sensors which will limit the overload duration. If the ambient air temperature is higher, then the duration of overload will be lower. Schneider includes a temperature compensation graph in the manual.

  • @PatLyoutubepage

    @PatLyoutubepage

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DavidPozEnergy nice! Someday I might be able to upgrade to that class of inverter. I have plans on building a home emergency backup power system for the important 120v circuits with 1 mpp6548 and 1 5kwh battery in ups/bypass mode.

  • @keithculvahouse1191
    @keithculvahouse1191 Жыл бұрын

    would love to see a video on how it is going making the transition off grid. I am also making the transition.

  • @DavidPozEnergy

    @DavidPozEnergy

    Жыл бұрын

    It's going well. Right now not all my solar is tied in. I have to finish building out this system. How is your transition going?

  • @keithculvahouse1191

    @keithculvahouse1191

    Жыл бұрын

    I use this time of year as the time to prove how well my solar is doing. Heating my home with heat pumps takes some power and solar production is down. I find winter to be a learning experiance.@@DavidPozEnergy

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