Holy cow Hank, I have a whole new appreciation for this bill. I haven't really thought about how much work goes into a bill like this and the comparison to the JWST really solidified it in my head. It's not often I end an hour long video about climate with a little bit more hope for the future, but you and Jesse did it. Thank you

@ourcollectivewisdom8769

Жыл бұрын

This, in spades

@cutelittlemoose

Жыл бұрын

You might really also like or even love the podcast How To Save A Planet from Gimlet media... it is pretty dang awesome-heavily informative, rich with info on SO MANY things from sustainable farming (both vegetation and simple things like kelp in cattle feed reducing methane by a fourth or so), trends like "upcycling" and how far things like recycling CAN go vs the limits of it, ways landowners have to be more climate-friendly (from letting NGOs manage the land with plants that suck carbon out and enrich soil, etc to farming lease rotations so each chunk of land is being rejuvenated as it is cycled through with diff crops and animals, etc)... from the small individual things we can do to the big things corporations HAVE to do and the most important things, what the government must DEMAND those corporations do in order to actually save the planet and its species, some parts of which sadly aren't super likely to survive-yet others, like certain corals off Western Australia, wildly showing unique resilience and adapting when they should've already been dead)... just a random plug from someone who has learned immense amounts even though I started in that "know more than 90%" tier of people because my background is mostly science, farms and farmers markets just like "home" to me having grown up with so many farms surrounding us and everyone gardening immense amounts (most families would garden a solid third of all their summer foods, well, so long as they controlled the critters that wanted to chomp them all to pieces!)... it's really accessible no matter whether someone is a "climate newbie" or meganerd (I lean into meganerdiness, naturally!) Take a listen. It's on the Gimlet Media site but also spotify (who bought gimlet a couple of years ago). :)

Thanks for making the whole video available! I appreciate listening to intelligent people discuss important topics that impact the lives of people across the country and world.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." For the first time in years, I have hope that this is true. Thank you to Jesse, Michael, Hank, and each person whose contributions (no matter how small) led to this.

@chelseashurmantine8153

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome ☺️

@willabyuberton818

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. The natural order of the universe is absolutism and destruction. It takes work to make good things happen.

@DimT670

Жыл бұрын

It is impossible to look at human history and not come to this result. Sure progress ain't linear and things can get worse but overall we go to wards more justice fairness and happiness. The periods of things getting worse can unfortunately be measured in centuries but thats just how it is

The way he explained it all was so clear and concise... this is the first time I've had climate-related hope in a long time. Now we need to start feeling left out in Canada and pass something similar!

I've recently returned to school for Environmental Science, and a lot of this past year has been really hard when it comes to presenting that choice as one that is centered around hope or potential instead of outright cynicism (not that I'm totally innocent of that!) , and I hope to use this video to help sort of explain why there's still space for that in our future. Thank you for taking the time to break things down and make a video to share about it, and thank you to Jesse for providing your perspective on it as well - it truly helped me understand a lot more of this bill so I can better speak about it to others!

Thank you. Love material from experts like this.

@juliahaynie764

Жыл бұрын

Me too! It’s hard to get this kind of in depth information, especially from smart people who are interested and excited about the process and future.

If we went driverless with the trucks, you could do something completely different with their loads. You could do the Pony Express strategy, and have the trailers swap from one truck (with a drained battery) to the next truck (with a fresh battery) at charging stations.

@morcinnafirecaster683

Жыл бұрын

That is a very good point. We could also do smaller containers. Currently we do huge ones to save on driver costs, but if theres no driver, we could ship things in smaller batches.

@OrigamiMarie

Жыл бұрын

@@morcinnafirecaster683 and we could shift back to using rail a lot more for long haul freight transport. I would imagine it takes less energy per pound-mile to move trains then trucks.

@AZaqZaqProduction

Жыл бұрын

You could even swap out the batteries themselves, couldn't you?

@OrigamiMarie

Жыл бұрын

@@AZaqZaqProduction you could, and that's definitely a proposal I have heard for how to charge a vehicle quickly. There are a couple potential issues with that strategy though. * You would have to make the battery swap process really fast and really really reliable. We have a lot more experience already with swapping semi trailers, and it's kind of a tricky geometric problem to locate the large battery in an easy-to-access spot. * Batteries are really heavy, and unlike semi trailers, do not naturally have wheels. * A semi trailer that is poorly reconnected will make itself known in the transfer lot. A battery that is poorly reconnected will make itself known on the highway, and could be quite a show, but you wouldn't want to be driving near it. * A new battery is a significant fraction of the vehicle cost, and its value goes down to zero, over time / usage. Unless the batteries are always being swapped between vehicles in a single-owner fleet, the owners are not gonna be cool with randomly swapping around that much value between semi tractors thousands of times a day. Especially since it's probably impossible to tell the actual worth of a given battery (since lifetimes vary). This seems a little silly at first, but imagine this: company A and company B have trucks on the road, swapping batteries all the time. Company A figures out how to determine the remaining lifetime of a battery using software that's part of the self-driving package. After several years, company A wants to get out of the self-driving market. So every time they want to sell off a truck, they choose one with an excellent battery, and get top dollar for it. Eventually, company A has sold off their entire fleet and it's very rich. Meanwhile, company B is on the brink of failure, because they have to replace a whole lot of very expensive batteries. This is an extreme case, and there would probably be basic mechanisms to reduce this problem (like only swapping similar-aged batteries, or swapping money around to compensate), but it's hard to determine the real characteristics of a battery in the 10 minutes it takes to transfer them. Someone would definitely develop a battery arbitrage scheme, and accountants would realize this before agreeing to a swapping strategy. Oops this is a novel. Sorry!

@NoahStolee

Жыл бұрын

reading this whole thread made me very happy for some reason. i think it’s seeing people pitch solutions to problems

Probably the most hopeful ive felt about the future for the US than i have felt my whole life. Thank you for explaining the details.

I have gone from pure panic, to cautious optimism. After decades of agonizing, paralyzing fear about climate change, it's a huge leap forward. If our existence on this planet were a movie, we are the nail-biting climax. I'm curious/dreading to see how it all pans out.

@mrmr4622

Жыл бұрын

I dont think we'll get definitive impact/results in our lifetimes

@Nill757

Жыл бұрын

Major land war in Europe killed 1/4 million people so far w constant threat to resort to nuclear weapons. And you are paralyzed by .. 3degC climate change in 80 years?

@smeastwest

Жыл бұрын

@@mrmr4622 I wish this made me feel better, but it doesn't. I appreciate the sentiment, though.

After the last few years it feels strange to have a reason to be excited and hopeful again. Thanks for detailing this improbable accomplishment.

I just came from the recent VlogBrothers video about the bill. Watching this, I'm imagining my family and myself in 15-20 years watching the seconds countdown towards net zero emissions in the U.S. Imagining that moment gives me hope and energy to contribute to solving this problem as much as I can. Thanks, Hank.

Love videos like this, Hank. Keep it up!

@juliahaynie764

Жыл бұрын

So glad that Hank shares exciting conversations with us!

I think one of the most interesting things in this video to me is the account of how they actually convinced Joe Manchin to get on board with the bill (starting around 46:10), because it humanizes the politics of DC a bit and models how other people might also change their minds about this.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it probably won't be as easy to get Bill Gates and Larry Summers to call up every single skeptic.

@MiMiLaXMiMi

Жыл бұрын

@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 don’t even call them skeptics; call them deniers because that’s what they are. It is one thing to be skeptical of a given claim and investigate further, it is another entirely to deny the large body of evidence as not to their liking.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisNotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, leet alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

@snuffysam

Жыл бұрын

@@MiMiLaXMiMi 👆This exactly. Every climate scientist is a skeptic, in the sense that they validate their beliefs with evidence. Climate deniers don’t care about the evidence - and in many cases, they know the climate scientists are right, and they just choose not to act due to greed.

@TheInfectous

Жыл бұрын

@@MiMiLaXMiMi that's not a helpful attitude to change minds which is what you need to do if you don't just want to watch the world burn. not to mention there's many different degrees of belief, climate change is happening is the first but then there's things like impact of climate change which is a lot more shaky. To blanket label people as denier's is to lose potentially listening ears. This is really important especially if you're an American, that country is the one that flips constantly, you need to be responsible for convincing the people around you to support this type of legislation (ie not vote trump lol). You may hate it but coddling people and giving them outs is how you change minds.

Thank you very much for the deep dive into this, because there's some really bad misinformation out there about it.

Electric trains have been around for over 120 years and have been in widespread use since the 60s and they can pull 100 containers instead of one or two. Oh, and we have a shortage of truck drivers. Why is long-distance trucking a thing? Trillions of dollars of federal funds get poured into the highway system which trucking companies use. Fun fact: The damage done to roads scales according to the fourth power of the weight per axel so a truck can easily do hundreds or even thousands of times more damage to the road surface than cars do. I suspect that the main reason long distance trucking is still a thing is simply because railroads aren't getting all those federal highway funds. TL;DR we don't need technological innovation to decarbonise long distance freight, we've had the technology for over a century and we just need the political will to use it. (obviously, we still need trucks to haul from a depot to the store, rail can't do that).

@Kram1032

Жыл бұрын

I think mostly it's because rail itself has been thoroughly neglected. If rail got even half of what highway expansions got, the US would be a very different place today

@Hack_The_Planet_

Жыл бұрын

This would meet pushback from a trucking industry that doesn’t want to be put out to pasture

@birkett83

Жыл бұрын

@@Hack_The_Planet_ I mean, yes, it would but we already have a shortage of truckers and rapid turnover of workers because the working conditions suck so much. The truckers themselves can probably be brought on side with some kind of incentive program such as subsidised (or free) training in other industries, possibly including rail... Opposition from the trucking companies might be a bigger hurdle - but it's always worth seeking creative solutions to political problems.

@samf4463

Жыл бұрын

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@appa609

Жыл бұрын

Trucks do faster cargo. freight trains average like 30 kph. Trucks do triple that.

Ive been waiting all day for this!!

Liking, commenting, and already subscribed! Thank you for being you, Hank!

this is basically like a podcast episode of amazing expert talk, thanks for uploading this! EDIT: You mentioned the biggest superfund site is near where you live, which I had absolutely no idea about. I think it would make for a great Thoughts From Places vlog

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

Жыл бұрын

I would totally listen to that podcast. "Amazing Expert Talk, with Hank Green."

Thank you for uploading this!

Supplement / replace long haul trucking with rail.

@HanksChannel, this I why we love you.

Hearing discussion of electric trucks always makes me feel a little crazy. Perhaps I'm just too anti-car, but it seems like moving to electric rail would be far superior from the public perspective. Rail and steel wheels can last far longer than asphalt and rubber tires - reducing maintenance on the public end and reducing fine particle pollution from tires. Rail wheels are fundamentally more efficient than tires from an energy perspective. Rail lanes are far more efficient than vehicle lanes for both transit and freight. Re-establishing and expanding catenary lines removes much of the resource need that comes from lithium ion batteries, the technology is long established, you can essentially store batteries on the ground reducing vehicle weights if you need to. You don't have to worry about super chargers. The lifespan and recycling of an electric motor is better than that of a lithium ion battery Don't get me wrong, bev freight is an improvement on diesel, but why do we have to tie ourselves down to the technology of the highway? So that the public continues to foot the bill for the freight costs?

@appa609

Жыл бұрын

The US freight rail network is close to maxed out. All the trucking in discussion is on top of rail freight.

Hank, thank you for shedding so much light on these topics! I've gotten to watch all of your interviews & the clif brothers video over the weekend, and for the first time in a long time I feel not-entirely-dreadful about climate issues

Thank you for uploading this conversation, Hank!

I'm actually really excited about this. There's still part of my brain that can't belive this is as good as it seems, but it seems really great

So glad you put this out. Very educational. Thank you!

Great watch, thanks

This was an excellent interview. Thank you!

This is such a great and inspiring interview.

Now I understand why you've been so excited about this bill!

great interview

What an excellent video, discussions like this are the way forward

I would love to know if I need to wait to buy or install a heat pump/upgrade my insulation till after January 1st or can I claim it later if I install one now.

@alien9279

Жыл бұрын

Very much wondering about this too. Just bought a new induction stove and wondering if that counts at all xD

Literally ridiculous that they are worried about a deficit when people in the country are dying due to poverty and are starving.

@victoriap1561

Жыл бұрын

if you don't worry about deficits you end up like my country, with soaring inflation and more than 50% poverty

@nzuckman

Жыл бұрын

@@victoriap1561 The situation is different for the US because the government has a monopoly on US Dollars - look up Modern Monetary Theory

@victoriap1561

Жыл бұрын

@@nzuckman yeah nope, if they start printing a lot of money and the dollar becomes unreliable and people won't use it.

@nzuckman

Жыл бұрын

@@victoriap1561 tell me you don't know how Modern Monetary Theory works without telling me you don't know how Modern Monetary Theory works 🙄

Hank: thank you for this explanation via your conversation in this video! I did not realize just how much was in that bill. I feel weirdly hopeful about all of this. There's SO MUCH f***ing potential for good to come out this! Let's just hope it's just the start and that it does good for all humankind now and in the future!

Incredibly interesting, so many helpful things included in the bill.

Putting clean energy manufacturing and job market entry educational opportunities in Appalachia would be an absolute game changer in so many people's lives as well as macroeconomically for that region. I pray these populations that have been left behind by old energy industries see the benefits of this and are pulled on board!

I very much enjoyed this

This was great, would love a regular podcast with long form interviews on wonky subjects!

I had no idea how intricate this bill is!! there are so many opportunities in here, I can't wait to see how implementation goes!!! thank you for taking the time to go through this 🥲

Thanks so much for doing this

So for some time you two talked about electrifying trucking. Why not invest into expanding railways and electrifying those? It’s a much easier problem and one that would result in better public transport for the masses.

I can’t believe this video has so little views, i hope it will blow up soon

This was a great, in-depth look at this new law. I'm feeling more optimistic about our government and our future than I have in a long time.

thanks for this video I learned alot!

Industrially, trains first. Requiring warehouses to connect to the train infrastructure like they do in Switzerland. THEN, trolly-e-trucking like how they have implemented in Germany if necessary. But please promote e-cargo-bikes wherever possible.

It's wonderful to hear about all the ways this bill is truly investing in our country

For electric trucking, as I understand it, the biggest challenge is gonna be load / maximum weight restrictions, right? Like, you can easily fit really large batteries into trucks if you want to. But they are heavy. And that's extra weight that you can no longer spend on freight.

This is amazing!!!!

These budgetary choices just make sense. Water flows downhill, and corporations will follow profit. Make it more profitable for companies to produce green energy, and the market will adjust accordingly.

@pythonxz

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

Finally some good news from the US.

Woo! Two at once!

I still think long distance electric trucking is an idiotic idea. We already have a clean method of transporting goods long distance, it's called trains. Train lines cost a fraction as much as roads and highways to make and maintain, trucks destroy roads vastly faster than cars making highways wear out way faster because of them, rail lines don't need basically any petroleum products in production and take way less teraforming to build, and there are multiple ways of running electrical lines on or just over the rails instead of needing batteries. Even diesel trains are better for the environment than electric trucks as well purely because they have less dead weight vs cargo. Rail is also more efficient with rolling resistance and trains don't use rubber tires. Basically every category, trains are better for the environment than trucks. I know end of the line trucking and short distance makes sense for EVs, but long range trucks are just moronic. Hell trains even use less space on the warehouses as you can walk from one car into the next meaning less doors on a building and they don't need a giant parking lot to back trailers to the door. I could go on for like an hour on this one point.

@Amplefii

Жыл бұрын

not to mention how much traffic trucks cause less traffic less time burning fuels

@NawidN

Жыл бұрын

It seems a lot easier politically to lay down a road than a railway. The cause that needs to be addressed? Car industry, money in politics, local owning-class bargaining power, fill in the blank.

@victoriap1561

Жыл бұрын

emm you know there are places that are quite remote that would never get a train station? also it simplified delivery, you can get a truck from point a to b while with trains you have to go to the station load it there, unloaded when it gets to the station then load it again and unloaded in point b. my father sells stones for construction materials and decorations, it would be a damm mess and extremely complicated. specially considering the places where the stones come from are already remote.

@samf4463

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@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would have liked to see trains as part of the bill. Of course trains can only go so far - literally speaking - but if the country had a well-developed system of electric trains, that would be a really impactful way to reduce emissions.

Thank you Hank. Thank you Jesse Jenkins.

I could watch Hank interview policy wonks all day

HANK FOR PRESIDENT 2024

Re the electric trucks for shipping - I saw a neat video of something they were testing in Europe of putting electrical lines in a given motorway lane. Electric lorries could then run off battery only in the cities, and for the long haul portion they could charge and run off the lines by raising pantographs installed on the cab roof.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, leet alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

I wish you utilized KZread’s chapees feature for this video

Here's an idea for semi-trucks. Rather than having to charge there should be another battery at the station that can be easily swapped for the battery in the truck.

I'm curious about using perovskite for solar to really push the use of solar power.

Thank you for posting this and thank you so much for the main breakdown on vlogbrothers! The coverage over this bill's passage has been very crappy, and subsequently buried by the FBI raid on Trump, and watching these I feel is important to my understanding of what it is and what it'll do. I was gutted (though not surprised) that the Green New Deal and BBB were killed and I had a lot of cynicism regarding this bill. I'm glad to be set straight. Still disappointed over what was lost, but (for once) feeling hopeful about the possibilities.

The fact we are still considering long distance trucking isn’t good. We need to move to rail transport for freight and pax as much as we can. Hydrogen aligns a lot better with a very sporadic power generation. Can easily have a bunch of plants ramp up when there’s extra power.

Love this overall. Excited *Something* is happening. Disappointed agricultural changes are not addressed. No reason we should still be subsidizing cow exploitation. Why not have the consumer pay what these disasters actually cost?

@jas7256

Жыл бұрын

could you explain a bit what the disaster is? i'm out of the loop

@reedclippings8991

Жыл бұрын

@@jas7256 The short of it, is that we're clearing a disproportionate amount of land to grow feed for cows, pigs and chickens.Literally burning down the Amazon, the lungs of the Earth, to grow soy for them. Super inefficient use of land and water whether measured in calories, protein, or weight. Globally, we are creating more greenhouse emissions from animal agriculture than the entire global transportation system combined, including air travel.

@Mivychi

Жыл бұрын

@@jas7256 ​ There are a variety of issues with meat production. For one, it is less energy efficient than growing crops. That means you need more land and food to produce a weight of meat than the same weight of, say, grain. Some people say that this is offset by meat being raised on land that’s bad for farming crops, but that disregards two facts. First, just because a land isn’t useful for farming doesn’t mean it’s not an important part of the native ecosystem. Second, quite a lot of animals, even pasture-raised, are fed with feed grown elsewhere on land that could be used to grow crops to feed people - like, hundreds of millions of people. The second part still contributes to habitat destruction, too; it is, for example, a significant contributor to rainforest destruction. Animal waste products can also be quite environmentally damaging. For example, hog waste is the often washed out of the warehouses where pigs are raised in their too-small cages into large ponds. The amount of waste that gets into the environment can literally sicken people living nearby under normal conditions, and unexpectedly large rainfall (say, a hurricane hitting farms on the east coast of the US) can cause the ponds to overflow and contaminate everything nearby, including water sources. Continuing on, there are animal welfare concerns, of course, but I will instead talk about human welfare concerns. Slaughterhouses are rough on people, both psychologically and physically. Companies do not value their workers, so workers are required to slaughter so many (hundreds) of animals per hour and not given downtime for important tasks like sharpening blades. That leads to both repetitive motion injuries and amputations or other grievous injuries, since dull blades are more likely to slip. Slaughterhouse workers are not paid well (recently, several US poultry companies got in trouble for colluding to keep worker pay down) but have one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. I am not vegan or even vegetarian, but I do believe that people should reduce their consumption of animal products for these and other reasons.

@victoriap1561

Жыл бұрын

so only rich people can afford meat milk and cheese? yeah that would be popular...

@reedclippings8991

Жыл бұрын

@@victoriap1561 It's simply not possible to increase (or even maintain) population, keep the consumption of these products the same, and not cross the environmental point of no return. Higher prices=less emissions, less land use, less water use, less disease, less health care costs, more sequestration, and less suffering of conscious creatures. Alternatives exist, and are getting more varied and cheaper every day.

Be nice yall

Hey Hank- Would you be willing to have people like Steven Koonin, Bjorn Lomborg, or Michael Schellenberger on your channel to discuss climate change? I think you could have a fruitful discussion with these individuals where you will find agreement and disagreement on climate related issues. I think your audience would enjoy their perspectives and that you might come away with an altered point of view regarding some* climate related issues, you might not have been familiar with or have given too much thought. Be well!

Drill baby, drill

Just to check, iirc Hank said 7 billion tons was the peak. Is that total or net? I'm just curious what our balance point is

@vlogbrothers

Жыл бұрын

It's per year. Total US GHG emissions since the start of the country is in the hundreds of billions of tons. I think "Our World in Data" would have the numbers!

The title lol

I also have framed photo of an electric pylon like a normal person would have

We need to get used to the idea of having 95% less stuff.

Hi

So I have a very limited understanding of US politics, but how can Joe Manchin single handedly stop, stall or rework something of this scale?

@Randomgen77

Жыл бұрын

Our Senate is 50 Democrats/Dem-aligned independents, 50 Republicans. Ties are broken by the Vice President, who is a Democrat. So on a bill with zero Republican support, like this, all Democrats must support it. One Democrat, like Manchin, can thus hold a lot of sway on threat of blocking the bill. It’s even worse for measures that can be filibustered. In a nutshell, any measure that does not have 60 Senate votes can be blocked by one senator. Thankfully, there’s an exception for “budget-related” bills that allows for a simple majority and prevents a filibuster; this bill is one of those.

@Rogers3712

Жыл бұрын

@@Randomgen77 So not a single Republican senator thought this might be a good thing? Or is that oversimplifying it?

@phytohormones

Жыл бұрын

@@Rogers3712 Yes, not even one Republican Senator (nor Representative) voted for the IRA. The whole deal with Manchin loudly announcing that the bill was dead the middle of July 2022 appears to have been, at least partially, a ploy to make the GOP vote for the CHIPS Act (which WAS subject to the filibuster and needed GOP votes to pass), because Republicans had previously publicly stated that they wouldn't pass CHIPS if the budget reconciliation bill was still alive. So after Manchin """killed""" the reconciliation, the GOP relented and let CHIPS pass on the 27th of July. On the same day, reconciliation was revived as the IRA with Manchin as a co-sponsor. Republicans got played, basically.

@onemllnonetoone

Жыл бұрын

@@Rogers3712 It *can* be a simplification, but it can also be surprising what gets stalled on purely partisan lines too.

I’d like to know whether or not clean energy technology as it is can meet the energy demands of the country. I am skeptical and man’s didn’t really answer that question when you asked it

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, leet alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

I heard about bio-solid fuels. Like, taking the solids from sewer sludge, and turning it into types of coal-like and natural gas-like substances. Could those be useful? Since they aren't digging up carbon from the deepest layers of the earth we can access, but rather repurposing carbon that is already in the environment. I feel like burning those would be better than burning natural gas or coal dug up from the Earth

could someone explain why joe manchin, a single senator holds the power to stop this entire bill?

@phytohormones

Жыл бұрын

Because in order to pass the Senate, the IRA needed a majority of votes (luckily, reconciliation isn't subject to the filibuster, so only 50+1 were needed). Including Manchin, there are currently 50 Senators in the Democratic caucus, plus VP Harris can break ties (that's how you get to 51). The GOP rejected this bill outright (not a single Republican, neither Representative nor Senator, voted for it; not even one!); this meant that, in order for the IRA to pass, every single Democrat (and the two independents) needed to vote for it. Any one of them could leverage their position to demand concessions or changes. If even one of them voted against it, it wouldn't pass. Manchin, representing a state far more conservative than any other Democratic Senator currently does, simply had the broadest demands and was thus the hardest vote to get. ...Notably, aside from him (and Sinema, who doesn't even have West Virginia as an excuse), all Dems were fully on board with the IRA! If they somehow manage to keep the House (unlikely, but not impossible) while expanding their Senate majority (very plausible!) in the midterms, they won't be as limited by having to appeal every member of their caucus and will be able to pass a whole lot more stuff.

@amyself6678

Жыл бұрын

Manchin has power cause many Democratic candidates were loonies saying "Defund Police" scaring away voters especially in Florida which is pro-solar but now mostly Republican. Blame democrat loonies.

Nuclear power produces about half of US clean electric power. Need much more nuclear investment than referenced in this video by Jenkins, which is proven, unlike the other firm fiction power discussed like H2 trucks, electric trucks, carbon burial, *none* of which has any large scale example, anywhere in the world. There are no large fleet EV trucks, even now with all the subsidies. Obsession blinds investigation into other more practical solutions eg synthetic fuels.

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This is so exciting! I'm so glad there are people moving us in the right direction. It really gives everyone a bit more hope for the future. Alot of this bill gives me hope we can build a better future. It's not just a dream for a select few or the rich few.

@guillermoelnino

Жыл бұрын

what you call the right direction the rest of us call tyranny.

@anthonydavis5288

Жыл бұрын

​@@guillermoelnino That's intriguing. What do you mean?

@guillermoelnino

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@@anthonydavis5288 You're not interested. At best you're looking for an angle to attack someone with a different perspective than you. At worst you're looking up my IP address so you can SWAT me and hopefully get me sh ot.

i could see quite a lot of problems with america subsidizing these industries a lot and trying to sell its products to the rest of the world, china, europe and other industrialized countries will complain to the WTO, Europe will probably put hefty tariffs to them etc.

The bill doesn’t do enough for nuclear. Bro why.

In 2013 they pushed Solar and Wind even at those 10x prices, showing how crazy they are. I remember 1980s greens pushing solar. And what good does it do, EU and US and Japan soon are only 40% of world emissions, Africa and India growing fast. We failed. It always was a crazy goal.. Jenkins in small print admits renewables are costlier counting needed backups and power lines, so 60%+ developing world who make $3000 a person won't do much and instead rightly focus investment on sanitation infrastructure and roads,period. Commie-ing a high cost power system in world of corrupt and lying govts is dumb, you think a bureaucrat in Africa won't take bribe to ignore rule breakers.. ha.

I love this discussion! Thank you!

Haven't watched this yet but hope to get an understanding of why Exxon is celebrating this bill

Are there going to be anythings for stuff like High Speed Rail and freight rail infrastructure to reduce the need of cars in general? Seems like turning off the faucet of energy demand of transport would be huge.

@amyself6678

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France has more cars per person than US, so even with trains available people prefer cars. Only by banning cars and making grannies to teens walk and spend 1 hour on commute do people switch. Transit is not a success in Europe as much as people think. Cars are far preferred, be honest they're awesome, a warm cabin with coffee and music vs walking in wind and waiting and then being next to smelly person and walking again and taking 3x a car ....

Shoutouts to Joe Manchin. I know you don’t like him, and I know a lot of people are angry about his “obstruction”….but the fact of the matter is that this would never have happened without his efforts. Inaction was the best possible outcome for him, as a democrat from West Virginia. His best bet was to talk the talk on one side of his mouth and make excuses to do nothing out there other side. Instead, he found a way to make this work. It isn’t a perfect bill but it is a good bill. It’s the kind of compromise and action we need out of congress on other issues. Vote FWD locally and a Dem nationally in all future elections to save the country!

@pythonxz

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I cannot trust or rely on a man that seems to only do what the nation needs when it suits him. As a public servant, he shouldn't be serving the American people intermittently.

Interesting.

This man is my hero.

@nenmaster5218

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NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, leet alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

@guillermoelnino

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@@nenmaster5218 Not everybody is in a c ult like y ou.

When I first read the title I thought "Climate Bill" was like the guy's nickname. I don't recommend reading it that way

Less than a minute in, but no, heavy blocks is dumb. Pumped hydro storage is the best (most economical, scalable) method for mass energy storage.

@nenmaster5218

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NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, let alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

Get rid of the filibuster.

This is a wild shot but if anyone is an expert on this bill and would be willing to contact me about the money for low income schools I would greatly appreciate the help! I am an advocate for clean energy in a low income school district in Utah

@nenmaster5218

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NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, let alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.

yeah the only thing this tells me is that humanity isn't really worth saving. everything by these things that are making summer unbearable is only incentivized by monetary gain. thats depressing. but i do like this. it's nice seeing what needs to be done and whats in the bill. i still hate it but now i know that humanity is even less worth saving lol. we have the means and the ways we just don't wanna do it cause it gets them less of their god. just fyi money is god look at the dollar bill "in god we trust" XD sorry i'mma a complete cynic. lol

@Randomgen77

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You should probably see a therapist.

@aionis562

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@@Randomgen77 therapy is too expensive lol. Also we've played this story before. They find loopholes. I'm glad he's a optimist. But I won't believe this for a second till I see it in action. Corps just change the rules too much to bend to their will. Kinda sucks. I hope I'm wrong. But when it comes to Corp greed and Dems being failures and Republican hyenas... I'm not wrong often. Hope I eat my words tho.

If conservative people knew everything in here for the average American and manufacturing they would support this.

@guillermoelnino

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how'd that work out for us the last 50 times these bills were passed?

I truly don't have any reason to believe a problem created by capitalism can be solved by capitalism. I'm not going to hold my breath, its immensely frustrating to have the conversation around tax incentives and profits for the corporations that profited off of destroying the environment in the first place.

@m_e_nere

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We won't get anywhere trying to promote socialist bills that will never get passed. This is probably the best we can do until the political landscape changes. Hoping for the best possible outcome will only lead to disappointment

@victoriap1561

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communist countries were super dirty too

@amyself6678

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... corps have give us 80 year lifespans, ac, magic cellphone in my pocket, all at cost of 2 degree warming that might hurt 100m people and we didn't know it was issue before 2000 ,, , , ok capitalism can't know the unknown, , , ,, capitalism works, , look at north Korea before whining or old Russia

@m_e_nere

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@@amyself6678 you don't have to engage in the conversation old timer

@amyself6678

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@@m_e_nere .. Jesse Jenkins has changed his story, he was anti renewable. Most of world 7 billion are poor making under $10000 even China, they aren't gonna not use cheap coal and petrol as main power. If reality matters to you green idiots. Greens literally are gonna drive Europe this winter to total recession and massive loss of factories. It's like French people giving lectures on war, the greens in charge of Europe have destroyed it, reality showed their math is lies... Darn reality don't care about nice spreadsheets, can't power dark Germany with solar or wind, staying it aloud sounds crazy, hahaha, Jesse Jenkins use to say have to build 800% solar and wind overcapacity to get thru February on all renewables, now he hides that fact... Us Americans will vote back in antiGreen Republicans now Biden gave us $5 gas and Manchin had to blackmail him to open up some areas to drilling we want leaders who don't need to be tricked to give us energy .... The rich 1 billion going green via massive subsidies ain't enough, third world soon will be 70% of emissions, so it soon falls apart,, , , it's sorta not fair the world is so dirt poor can only afford coal I dont mean to sound happy ,. , , , The climate is effed that's the truth but let the spreadsheets continue and rich world pretend they are gonna lead the rest.... Peace... Will like a warmer Minnesota, it'll be awesome for us...

Jesse is girl bossing ❤️

A great conversation overall, but to say that this drives down costs for the average American or average American family because they can get an electric car or water heater is misrepresenting the money an average American has. If I couldn’t make a purchase like that with no kids, a salary that’s 1.6 times the median wage, and rent that’s less than a quarter of my income, the average American can’t either. This idea ignores that tax incentives benefit wealthy companies and wealthy individuals more than regular people. There might be good reason to do it anyways, but it’s obnoxious to perpetuate the myth that the average American is moderately wealthy (by American standards of living).

Large government programs dumping large amounts of $ into the US economy by definition increase inflation, does not counter it. Inflation is “always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon”, ie how much money the government places into circulation. Period. Driving supply and demand of some commodity like energy might be a worthy goal but it is different matter from inflation. It’s beyond reckless for some energy expert to wade in and get this complétele wrong.

To keep the cost of solar and bird killing wind turbines down is supported by subsidies. Remove that and let us see what the cost would be?

Guys, can we stop "aiming for Net Zero" within 2 decades, and start with "Carbon Negative" within this decade? 1) It's not that we are within safe levels for the environment already, we need to Reverse this, not slowly reduce it. 2) Since we are counting on the current trees etc to "clean the air", we should include that this amount is being reduced (with a formula), since each year we have wildfires and other catastrophes. All this(and there are more points) means unfortunately, we are still not taking it seriously enough

"The industrial sectors are the next highest... There's a lot less tools in the toolbox there" Is everyone at a thinktank so neoliberal brained that they cannot comprehend direct government intervention in industry?

@nenmaster5218

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NFT's didnt got banned and no one does anything about Information or Misinformation. no one shows even just as little as UpisnotJumps schoolfriendly Climate-Coverage to Children, leet alone the more advanced Stuff that Hbomberguy, Some More News, OCC, Climate-Town and Second-Thought did. No one educated the Deniers.