Mimir laughing at Odin right in his face is just too good😂

@blytheskrieg

Жыл бұрын

All fucker hahaha

@handgun559

Жыл бұрын

Listen I finished the game but fucking wow people don't care about spoilers. Not even fucking trying, are you pal.

@jdb12345

Жыл бұрын

@@handgun559 why would u watch this if u don't wanna be spoiled?

@GreedyOrange

Жыл бұрын

@@jdb12345 bc youve already been spoiled by the thumbnail/title,makes no difference to click on it after youve seen it,youtubers and youtubes algorythm is to blame really,or just avoid social media i guess

@silverash896

Жыл бұрын

@@GreedyOrange unless they want to see more spoilers, don't click the video.

i love how the entire context is completely changed when you watch this again

@pokerbaarcode

Жыл бұрын

I must have missed this or stepped away while watching a play through when was this because I know who « tyr » is now but must’ve missed this

@mysticdana_

Жыл бұрын

@@pokerbaarcode most have stepped away because I believe this scene is part of the main story

@aadityachakraborti7484

Жыл бұрын

Man got done for by Groa.

@angelgjr1999

Жыл бұрын

I had a feeling it wasn’t the real Tyr from the way he was acting. I thought he was an imposter, but I didn’t expect Odin himself to be the spy.

@jrayyy4147

Жыл бұрын

I just got to the part you're talking about. I'm fucking distraught

"She lied" You watch it the first time and he says it with excitement You watch it a second and he says it with fear

@lordmonocr6206

Жыл бұрын

Dude exactly!

@fissilewhistle

Жыл бұрын

More like outrage. He basically wasted 100 winters planning for the wrong prophecy.

@saboorheath7769

Жыл бұрын

His reaction was a subdued anger... he can't really react the way he wants to in that moment. The bump into atreus is another hint, since Odin can't see out of his right eye.

@boxheadboiii

Жыл бұрын

@@saboorheath7769 OH MY GOD WAIT-... I never caught the eye thing, if that was intentional then that's good

@boxheadboiii

Жыл бұрын

@@fissilewhistle fr, dude was pissed😂

Look at "tyr" when he pushes past Atreus and realized groa lied. Funny how when you watch the scene again you realize they dropped clues. Masterful.

@redcrewmate927

Жыл бұрын

Shit like that! Is hard to do these days!! The fact that they pulled it off is crazy good!

@kurtisgalloway218

Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't break character.

@timotius_sdv

Жыл бұрын

IM shocked when see that happen

@shotgunman8635

Жыл бұрын

@@kurtisgalloway218 what do that was Odin at this point

@hedgehoginacanoe5838

Жыл бұрын

Another clue was that 'tyr' was in some random mine with low security Instead of in asgard the most secure place in all the realms

This twist is even more clever when you realize that Týr was the one who got Kratos and Atreus into a fight by calling him "champion". He's been trying to drive them apart the whole time.

@MakaveliDior

Жыл бұрын

No that was Odin Tyr the real Tyr has the accent over the "y" when you free him at the end

@GabrieleTarallo

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliDior Can you explain the thing about the accent lol

@MakaveliDior

Жыл бұрын

@@GabrieleTarallo Do you see how the first comment wrote t"y"r with the accent over the y. The scammer Odin Tyr version when he said something there was no accent on the "y". When you free the real Tyr and he begins to talk you see the accent on his name maybe an indication that it's him

@GabrieleTarallo

Жыл бұрын

@@MakaveliDior What a clever detail

@stitch854679254

Жыл бұрын

@@GabrieleTarallo y and ý

"Tyr": 😯 Odin's Brain: 🤯 she lied wtf

@timotius_sdv

Жыл бұрын

Even Groa still trick Odin by thingking Tyr was the one Who lead the Ragnarok

@bot01020

Жыл бұрын

mimir: we finally knew something odin doesn't Odin: nice try

@charles9489

Жыл бұрын

@@timotius_sdv why would groa lie to Odin though?!

@jerryhu9005

Жыл бұрын

@@timotius_sdv She saw the wrong god of war lol

@Zelurian

Жыл бұрын

@@charles9489 2 god of wars, i think the prophecy was referring to the foreign god of war which happen to also use spear (Draupnir)? Hence why Odin imprison Tyr, thinking it was actually him leading the battle

“We now know something Odin doesn’t.” Odin: *snorts*

@ZacharyHolcomb-xt1bn

5 ай бұрын

Snorty snorturson

@DaveMiller6042

5 ай бұрын

Kratos: Tyr, why did you snort?

“Tyr” staring at the prophecy knowing he was fooled for more than a hundred winters… aaaah it’s sooooo precious… Mimir laughing at his face unknowingly is sooo cool too.. all-fucker really didn’t see that coming

@CardCaptorDeadpool

Жыл бұрын

WHAT DID YOU CALL HIM??!!

@Noooooone725

Жыл бұрын

@@CardCaptorDeadpool that one’s for brok 🤘

@DundG

Жыл бұрын

@@CardCaptorDeadpool The all-sucker!

@paiwandibrahim3978

11 ай бұрын

Odin is the good guy kratos and vaneer are the villains

@krabbecorkorn

11 ай бұрын

​@@paiwandibrahim3978bull*** he is

good thing atreus never talked about ironwood and Angrboða in front of them. keeping that promise to her was actually very important, probably was the one thing odin didnt know about,had he found out, he definitely would have used her against him. and depending on if and when hed go after her, it couldve been before Atreus learned how to do the whole soul transfer thing, before he put the soul inside a young jormungandr. kindof cool

@bukojoetheslapsoils8273

Жыл бұрын

Another good thing is that Kratos stayed calm and reasonable the whole game. This opportunistic all-fcker would have used a raging Kratos to his advantage.

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why he couldn’t atleast just tell Kratos or something about Ironwood. Surely as long as Tyr wasn’t around to hear about it. Even then what would Odin have been able to do with knowing about Ironwood considering he couldn’t even find a way to Jotunheim to begin with and actually lost interest in it already

@voltic1499

Жыл бұрын

@@josephstalin2606 i’m thinking that maybe odin lowkey sees/ hears everything, considering the amount of ravens we kill literally all around the 9 realms. so maybe if he told him while they were in the team between realms ? though as we know that’s not safe from odin either. and i think if odin did find out that ironwood was real from atreus, he’d probably find some way to squeeze it out of him, either by taking someone hostage, etc. and knowing atreus he’d def give the info up

@lolrus5555

Жыл бұрын

@@voltic1499 I hear that. I just wish he initially said that 'I can't say, I made a promise, and if I break it, I could be putting a friend in jeopardy.' like he essentially said after he and Kratos reunited. Could've possibly avoided a lot of shit that way.

@raphaelsilva9474

Жыл бұрын

He met angrboda and did the entire thing in a single trip to ironwood. Odin finding out would be bad, but he can't go back in time.

1:32 When the Champion appears, he's accompanied by a storm of spears. At first it just looks like a representation of an army, but it's really Draupnir

@nerd-mask723

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that made it a bit too obvious. From the moment Kratos got the spear, I immediately was like "Ah! Okay the figure with the spear wasn't Tyr then, it was Kratos!"

@RossoNero1987

Жыл бұрын

There are also 8 spears 1:40 just like Draupnir

@XultanisDragon

11 ай бұрын

Champion was Atreus, the god of war was Kratos.

Kratos is the champion. In the vision, the Champion is depicted holding a spear in one hand and gjallarhorn in the other. It was Kratos who blew gjallarhorn and had the draupnir spear with him as he marched on towards Asgard with a combined army of all realms. When Atreus assumed the champion was him, Kratos tells him "you assume too much" and Mimir says something like "Aye, best not to read into these abstractions so literally. Prophecies are slippery by nature." It's like the GoW team hinting at us saying it is not who Atreus thinks it is.

@kowshikkumar48

Жыл бұрын

But if you watch closely the figure holding spear and horn...and the champion are different. So i m guessing the champion is the one who kills odin (loki) and the spear weilder leading the war is kratos.

@27westwest

Жыл бұрын

Right but if you read the subtitles and listen to what they're saying at 2:10 the person with the Horn and Spear show up and Atreus goes "Look Tyr its you leading the way into Ragnorak"

@medic2018

Жыл бұрын

The secret/real prophecy shows Tyr leading the attack on asgard. But that didn't happen. Can someone please explain

@27westwest

Жыл бұрын

@@medic2018 because it shows their depiction of the God of War and his name is tyr so they went ok that’s tyr because he had his spear which is his known weapon and the horn that’s what the lore tends to state tyr blows to start ragnorak. But the God of War who actually had those things were kratos by the end

@medic2018

Жыл бұрын

@@27westwest thank you

I love that twist has made the whole game be so replayable.

@AageKush

Жыл бұрын

Saved the game. I was so fucking disappointed Tyr ended up being dead weight, but then it turned out they made Odin an amazing villain.

@starkillernate4652

Жыл бұрын

@@AageKush game wasn't saved, that was the intention the whole time

@mateohodge6998

Жыл бұрын

Both games are full of context clues when you replay

@pressstart8738

Жыл бұрын

@@AageKush tyr dead?

@justbastihere4246

Жыл бұрын

@@pressstart8738 nah, real tyr is alive

One thing i just noticed is that when Tyr says "This is wrong" it subtly plays Odin's theme song in the background, so many hints in retrospect! This game is truly brilliant from start to finish 🤯

@studentsays393

Жыл бұрын

3:45

@BS-vq9gg

Жыл бұрын

which theme the one where he first appears or during the final battle

Tyr not having the accent mark in his subtitles being an allusion to him being fake is actually a really cool small touch. Whenever the others talk about him, it is written as Týr, but when he speaks he is written as Tyr. very cool

When tyr steps forward, I could swear Odin arm tattoos started to appear faintly, the man was so shocked his magic almost broke

@mr_mongoose7241

Жыл бұрын

I like the idea but I rly can’t see it

@THEYCANTSTOPME

Жыл бұрын

Great eyes and I saw it the first time but I also didn't peep Odin tats in the house at the beginning

@thatboyakira4202

Жыл бұрын

This detail... THIS DETAIL OH MY GOD SHEEEEEESH

@sithhunter965

Жыл бұрын

nah its not there. watched on 4k at super slow mo and nothing changes. just ur brain putting that together

@alshadead

Жыл бұрын

@@sithhunter965 the tatto slowly more obvious, especially during the reveal scene

Atreus: "WE know something Odin doesn't!" "Tyr": 👀

@jessembaya8575

Жыл бұрын

You mean: 🌖🌖

@marksantiago9841

Жыл бұрын

Týr: …… 1 + 1 = 2!

The miniscule detail that "Tyr" accidentally bumps into Atreus when he sees the prophecy, almost like he has a huge Blindspot, is just... Amazing

Odin is able to "tell the truth" while still lying about the context as I believe Freya pointed out. You can see that his shock and disbelief is genuine but rather than him being so in disbelief that he's leading the charge against Asgard, he doesn't want to believe that he's been deceived this whole time and that he's fated to die, which makes this reaction make a lot more sense.

@basilofgoodwishes4138

Жыл бұрын

If he tells you that snow is white, he is lying.

When I first saw this scene I was like "why tf is the shy tyr just casually pushing atreus aside, there's no way he's still pissing his pants from that kill" it was weird seeing him do that and lo and behold in the end it wasn't HIM

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

Tyr in general was said to have traveled to many lands and met many people and gods so the fact that he was so shy and broken should’ve been the first hint. I mean Mimir had it worse and even he wasn’t as “broken” as Tyr. The whole time it was Odin just making Tyr seem weak and useless while also making Odin seem like this intimidating person that shouldn’t be messed with when in reality Odin was the super insecure one and the real Tyr is unbroken and wanders the realms happily

@candyman_315

Жыл бұрын

He pushed past him cuz he can't see out of his right eye!

@tophighlitez6176

Жыл бұрын

@@candyman_315 bruh u blew my mind omg 😱😱😱

@holliswilliams8426

Жыл бұрын

@@candyman_315 true!

Tyr: I won't allow prophecy to decide my choices. Tyr: this is wrong. Damn looking back Odin was mad his ass was gonna die period

@danielcharles3553

Жыл бұрын

And mad that for once he got played by someone

@tenjenk

Жыл бұрын

As the norn sisters said, its not looking past your own choices that locks your fate in. How can you change your fate if you refuse to change yourself? By ceaselessly chasing after prophecies about himself, he ended up causing each and every one to be fulfilled.

@THEYCANTSTOPME

Жыл бұрын

@@tenjenk facts he could've just been nice and let Freya live her life free to explore. If they want to kill you for what you did, offer your life. I bet Odin would've had Valhalla or some good death but now he died 3 times first he died in body when Atreus took his soul. Then he died twice because he trapped in a marble like hell. Then he died 3 times when Sindri destroyed his essence.

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

9 ай бұрын

​@@THEYCANTSTOPME At this point, Odin is erased from existence. A fate worse than death. His dead body may be intact but his soul essence is no longer identifiable.

I thought it was so weird how Tyr acted but I just wrote it off as strange writing. Now I realize it was just masterful writing

3:35 Tyr: *I won't allow prophecy to define my choices* For the first time I watched this playthrough I thought "Damn, You don't really wanna fight huh? Tyr?" Now that I watched the plot twist, I understand now that It wasn't that Tyr doesn't wanna fight, but because It was never Tyr in the first place, It was Odin saying THAT to himself. This is an absolutely masterful story created by the devs, and that one scene have me questioning everything, brilliant game developers and story

@jynxed66six54

Жыл бұрын

i also think at this point odin has snapped out of the shock and gone full damage control. he says anything he can to try and dissuade them from choosing ragnarok, now he knows he loses it. every line he says from here on out is against the plan, trying to save himself

@saboorheath7769

Жыл бұрын

Everything was so subtle.... Odin being a making mention of the food in the great lodge. Santa Monica sneaking in a pic that looked earlier like Tyr. The conversations with Frigg were interesting also.

What i praise in this game is the body language... everything has a body language who also tells the story perfectly (movements, silent, groans, voice tones ...). If you watch Tyr all the time, he doesn't sounds like someone who travel a lot of lands and meet a lot of other gods too. You can think either he lied about his adventures ....... or he isn't Tyr. Everyone who play the game can guess what is the correct answer.

@Gummylongtail

Жыл бұрын

In other words they are amazing actors... Christopher judge in paticular articulates so much emotion through just grunting I love it

@dreigreen6941

Жыл бұрын

After freeing Tyr I had called him useless. Everything we learned about him and we only got his good manners. My gf had called me rude because of these claims just so the guy was trying to be an inconvenience and nice. But that was exactly what Odin wanted and our instincts like Brok never came out of being polite I feel.

@l3g1t.official

Жыл бұрын

I didnt see anything coming

@zenith8417

Жыл бұрын

@@Gummylongtail Judge also said he stands wider and plants his feet firmly when he moves, giving a visual representation of Kratos heaviness and direct, uninhibited approach. It really works well

@StarLord1994

Жыл бұрын

@@dreigreen6941 ikr. Like I thought we were building up to seeing warrior tyr in action! lol. I loved the twist but kinda sad we never really experienced him.

Atreus not telling that he’d been to Ironwood was a smart move in ways he’d never realize until after the adventure ends. Probably saved Angrboda’s adorable life.

@leonolasco7112

Жыл бұрын

and pretty much everyones elses life lol

@tad3546

Жыл бұрын

this scene was before atreus went to ironwood

@TheStraightestWhitest

Жыл бұрын

We never met Angrboda. Angrboda is a tall, broad figure with pale skin and blood red hair. We met a blackwashed pretender.

@leonolasco7112

Жыл бұрын

@@TheStraightestWhitest jesus ur so corny

@TheStraightestWhitest

Жыл бұрын

@@leonolasco7112 But I'm right.

Now his reaction makes a lot more sense, I always wondered why he was so shocked by it

@ayaya-

Жыл бұрын

tbh I'm sure even the real Tyr would have been shocked, probably wouldn't have reacted the same angry way but shocked nonetheless, I think if the real tyr had known he would have left his pacifist way, become his old self if only for this one time.

@cheesy_potato9243

Жыл бұрын

@@ayaya- yeah I think he would’ve been shocked but not in the way he reacted

"I won't allow prophecy to define my choices" I love how that quote gains a whole new meaning once you find out about the twist of Tyr. Without the context of that twist, it just seemed like "Tyr" speaking his intent to remain true to his newfound "pacifism", but after finding out about the twist, it takes a new meaning that Odin intends to remain true to his character and stay on the path of his objective. It's very subtle but also clever at the same time.

3:25 Odin’s theme playing when Atreus says they know something he doesn’t

Fun little detail the devs did to differentiate Odin and the real Tyr. If you look closely at the subtitle here, the “Tyr” here doesn’t have an accent symbol on his name (which he should) but if you save the REAL Tyr, the subtle shows the accent symbol above the Y on his name showing he’s the real deal. The dev’s gave us a huge clue right there and none of us realized it because some of us probably didn’t know Tyr had that accent in his name to begin with, GENIUS! Well done Santa Monica

@MetalGearMalta

Жыл бұрын

Also. Notice when Atreus is speaking with Kratos about tyr leading the charge against Odin. Odin's theme is played when Tyr says will try to stop Ragnarok. A very subtle detail most of us ignored.

@CJ-442

Жыл бұрын

Another detail that easy to miss. While “Tyr” is talking there’s never an accent, but whenever anyone else talks about him or says his name, there is.

I love how you can interpret how Tyr acts and what he says completely differently once you beat the game.

2:47 Can’t believe how amazing this plot twist is and the hints it leaves behind. If you look closely “Tyr” bumps into atreus, this is because Odin lost his right eye so he couldn’t see Atreus…

Interesting bit here: Each character has their name highlighted in the prophecy, all but the champion and the one who would lead the 8 realms to fight Asgard. They only know the champion (which everyone already know it's Atreus) and god of war, not specifically Tyr, which means everyone misinterpreted that single detail because in the end it was Kratos that led the charge.

@sxcknasty69

Жыл бұрын

kratos the god of war

@andimari9194

Жыл бұрын

Kratos is the champion. He wields the spear and blows the horn

@nz7677

Жыл бұрын

​@@andimari9194 1:32 ᛊᚨ ᚲᚨᛈᛈᛁ (sa kappi) = The Champion = Loki 2:03 ᛊᛏᚱᛁᚦᛊ ᚷᚢᛞ (striþsgud) = God of War = Kratos

@andimari9194

Жыл бұрын

@@nz7677 huh that’s weird. I thought it was revealed in the end that Kratos was who they were referring to as champion

@markolucan9414

Жыл бұрын

What is more interesting is that you can now put Kratos in every mural where Tyr was. So by that we can assume that Kratos actually will travel throughout realms. 😁

Those who hasn't played the game. Avoid the comment section for spoilers.

@jackbaker7596

Жыл бұрын

but they would have to check the comments to see this comment?

@NiightDJ

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbaker7596 not if they have comments sorted newest to oldest

Жыл бұрын

they should not be watching this

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

Bruh ur comment is like halfway thru the comment section by the time anyone reads this they’d have scrolled through like a hundred comments already

@Chaos-bq6mc

Жыл бұрын

If I ever feel useless I can just look back at this comment and feel better about myself.

I haven’t even finished the game yet but I can guarantee the prophecy speaks of Kratos. The Draupnir Spear creates multiple of itself and those were def spears surrounding the champion not arrows.

@nameunknown12

Жыл бұрын

Bo you need to stay out of this comment section then if you havent beat it, major spoilers

@CrackSparrowGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@nameunknown12 I wrote this comment and haven’t been back since 😂. I beat it though and what a game!

@nameunknown12

Жыл бұрын

@@CrackSparrowGaming okay yeah, man you could have easily gotten the biggest twist in the game super spoiled for you lol, the description literally says "Tyr"

@CrackSparrowGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@nameunknown12 at this point I knew that much thank god, I just noticed this after the fact.

@geraltlobrok4055

Жыл бұрын

Indeed is him. Loki fights heimdall in the original ragnarok but in the game loki is still a kid during ragnarok he cant beat heimdall or any other gods. The god of war office was empty. When Kratos who destroyed an entire pantheon and killed 3 norse gods finds about Atreus/Loki being destined to die fighting heimdall took the GOW office killed heimdall then fight and beat thor and then Odin w Loki and Freya. He fits better on being the champion and the god of war too. The last prophecy shows Kratos as an all father but for loki there was none. I assume that last shrine complete that champion of the jotnar prophecy. The other side shows Kratos leaving a destroyed greece and Faye dealing whith fate stuff. Loki's destiny is yet to be seen.

2:45 The camera work here, not showing "Tyr"'s reaction to the line by having his face be off screen, the way he says "she lied" a few seconds later sounds like sadness rather than revelation, even how he stays glued to looking at the prophecy while Kratos and Atreus talk probably should've been give aways lol

Now having beat the game and knowing odin was tyr, his dialogue hits different. I like to think deep down if kratos agreed to peace and Atreus agreed to help w the mask he really would have left them alone….but then I remember he killed brok and that more then likely would have sent thor to crack their skulls the pico second Atreus told him what he saw in that realm tear

@sameeribrahim658

Жыл бұрын

That's how manipulative he is. Even as a viewer it's difficult to find a reason to say no to his peace offered. Even blames thor for his death by HIS hands. Very impressive and fucked up i love it...

@jynxed66six54

Жыл бұрын

but theres a lot of layers at play to the story here. in the first place, i dont believe odin would get the answers he wants from the rift. in fact, i dont think its actually possible for anyone to end up looking through it. the mask is written in greek, and odin found it because of a voice he heard. its pretty likely athena was behind both the mask and the rift, in an attempt to become the deity she couldnt in gow 3 when kratos ruined her plans. its a very poetic side to odins story. he spent his life chasing knowledge, obsessing over prophecies to control his own fate, but was just a pawn to so many people. his knowledge of the prophecy was wrong, and the main focus of his goals was created by another god as a tool

@fissilewhistle

Жыл бұрын

Or he doesn’t like what he hears, decides it’s Atreus’ fault for telling him, and then runs him through with his spear.

So the champion was Atreus & the guy leading the war with the spear and horn was Kratos actually not Tyr.

@ThatMadCat

Жыл бұрын

No, Kratos was the champion.

@mycommentsmyopinion

Жыл бұрын

champion is kratos!, kratos blew the gallarhorn and he had the mythical spear embedded with the power to multiply of draupnir just like in the prophecy

@giftedwf1

Жыл бұрын

Bet!!

@UN1VERS3S

Жыл бұрын

⚠️Spoilers! The prophecy says the God of War will lead the united armies of the nine realms to Ragnarok and defeat Odin. The mural drawings had him wielding a spear. Tyr wields a spear, a god of War and from the beginning wants to unite the realms not for war but for peace. But Odin's obsess, so he killed Tyr. The Tyr we're been with from the start is Odin himself. Kratos is the god of war and the spear wielding leader that the giants prophesied and Atreus was the champion of the Jotun.

@ThatMadCat

Жыл бұрын

@@UN1VERS3S Nah, Kratos was the champion.

Its actually a bit scary that odin is here all along. All the time

Game was a masterpiece, if I only could replay it without any memory of it.

@afkmh2392

Жыл бұрын

Good old fashioned head trauma will work

@THEYCANTSTOPME

Жыл бұрын

Man I think the real olaythrough is to not run right through the story. Doing the side stuff at the right moments like freeing the Jelly fish or going for Lundas orb while before you leave these areas to continue the story makes it more dramatic. Easily 30 plus hours.

@baibhavbanerjee1964

Жыл бұрын

I wish we could kill another dragon

@jahmair862

Жыл бұрын

@@baibhavbanerjee1964 There is another one if you use the ancient heirloom on the beach of dragons. Idk if you meant another normal old dragon but hey.

@eg-draw

Жыл бұрын

But it's different then you see all of it knowing it's Odin.

Funny that if Odin had kept his calm and patience to disguise himself, it wouldn't have led Kratos down the path that was prophesied.

@LouisHolliman

Жыл бұрын

So In essence brok literally saved all the realms and potentially all their lives 😭

@dionius4549

5 ай бұрын

Because of that passable dirt soup insult 😂

I’m sure the entire time Odin was like “Well shit”

I noticed something. During the scene when Odin talks to Kratos with Durlin in toe. He walks over to two spears. Ty'r did here as well. Definitely foreshadowing.

The lines and acting were perfect when I thought Tyr really was a broken God, obsessed with pacifism, dreading and horrified at the idea of lives lost under his leadership. And then on the second watching it's still perfectly weighted when you realise the true thoughts behind each of his responses. It feels like an entirely new scene, even though it is exactly the same. Another comment described it as masterful and it truly is.

Tyr being all shocked, and even bumping into atreus while walking forward has a whole another meaning now - gonna be fun to replay in new game +

@786uchihamadara

Жыл бұрын

I figured it out there and then that it was odin

1:39 the spears surrounding the “champion” could be alluding to Draupnir and its ability to basically infinitely multiply.

@mahirmuhammad2325

Жыл бұрын

It is

It's so clever they display the "god of war" and everyone assumes it's Tyr just for kratos to do lead the charge against asgard and odin

@UN1VERS3S

Жыл бұрын

Because Tyr was the god of war in those lands plus he's spear wielding and wants to unite the realms not for war but for peace. But Odin's Odin that's why he shut Tyr off.

@jasonbloxor1773

Жыл бұрын

Odin becoming tyr fucked everything up for himself. It was actually originally supposed to be tyr

Even the subtitles give Odin away. That is some top tyr detail.

GAME OF THE YEAR

Going back we can also realize the "champion" was Kratos, not Loki or Tyr. Since he was holding the Spear and the Gallajhorn.

@27westwest

Жыл бұрын

Except when they show the guy holding the spear and gallajhorn they literally went "Look Tyr its you (The God of War) leading the way into Asgard during Ragnorak" and Atreus literally gets armor called "Champion of the Giants"

@jaradrichardsC137

Жыл бұрын

@@27westwest when they say look it's the champion, the champion figure raises multiple spears, like how draupnir works

@27westwest

Жыл бұрын

@@jaradrichardsC137 ok. He’s not the one depicted of holding any weapons though so it can easily be kratos spears raised in the background. I mean it literally shows a figure holding the spear and horn and they went “Oh wow that’s tyr the god of war leading the charge into ragnorak” and then at the end of the game the god of war leading the charge into ragnorak who has the spear and horn is kratos showing that’s his role in the prophecy.

@jaradrichardsC137

Жыл бұрын

@@27westwest That's exactly what I said. I don't know if you knew, but it's Kratos who owns Draupnir. Crazy, I know.

@lilchaos9212

Жыл бұрын

Uh, no? The Champion and God of War are clearly different people. The God of War wields Draupnir and the Gjallarhorn whereas the Champion doesn't. The reason there are spears and arrows flying around the Champion is because he is in the middle of a battle before Ragnarok. He isn't wielding Draupnir. Atreus was the Champion and Kratos was the God of War, not Tyr.

Watching back with context it's so obvious this is Odin. Also someone noticed at 2:51 he seems to knock into Atreus and not see him because he can't see out of his right eye.

I remember having a gut feeling playing for the first time that showing Tyr was a bad idea. Now I know why

I think it's still too early to put "Tyr" with quotations to arouse suspicion.

It's amazing how that warrior entity leading the army looks somewhat like depictions of Tyr, but when you look at it with clear eyes it's clearly a Spartan warrior - and although Kratos doesn't look like the typical one at all, it's what he is at heart. Intriguing insight into how the Giant's sight worked.

Huge spoilers for the game in this comment so stop reading if you haven't completed it, but take note of the subtitles too. "Tyr" here does not have an accent over the "y", but when you can rescue the real Týr in Niflheim after you finish the game, it actually does have the accent over the "y" in the subtitles when he speaks. It's definitely intentional too I believe, they seem to take spelling things correctly in dialog and the journal very seriously, e.g. they use "ð" and "Ð" where accurate instead of just a "d" which is often an easy stand-in. A tiny, seemingly incredibly insignificant detail, but hinting it's not really him from the very moment you meet "Tyr".

@mybizness124

Жыл бұрын

They said in a video they intentionally did that with the spelling of if his name

Tyr with a spear is just an image of a God of War with a spear... Kratos with the Draupnir spear.

A good story has villains and heroes. A great story makes you reconsider it all. Even after the ending….

@maudelhoyo4019

Жыл бұрын

No

@FrancisCastiglione

Жыл бұрын

@@maudelhoyo4019 Ok Heimdall

I didn't even realised this. Look at the name at 2:53 and 3:13 of Arterus meantioning Týr. The details and small differences makes sense!

Looking back at this, as well as the character of Odin. In a humorous way, the realms uniting against Asgard starts to feel less like an opposing army and more like an angry mob. If the giants weren’t disembodied, I almost imagine them in Asgard with pitchforks and torches instead of swords and spears.

"Tyr" in quotes hits crazy

2:58 Odin must really hold back not to kill Mimir, he literally laughing behind his back.

-->(Caution for Spoilers)

Really clever cinematography framing fake Tyr against the spears in the Giant’s vision and then the shot is repeated later in svartalfheim when Odin confronts Kratos, with the spears at Orin’s back. Great use of visual language and foreshadow!

Damn bro, in the end his reaction wasn’t because he found a way to kill Odin, but because it wasn’t even him in the first place. Awesome story

I just thought Tyr was actually going to turn out to be an enemy. I never even thought it could be Odin in disguise.

I always thought Tyr was too casual about Kratos being in these lands, he just accepted it straight away and never asked many questions about his homeland

At 1:23 a swirling animation occurs, almost like a portal meaning someone from somewhere else has come to this land in the picture. Similar to how kratos came to the land of the Norse from Greece and this is also supported by the Spartan looking helmet. The same person with a Spartan looking helmet is depicted in 2:34 and is shown defeating another person, right before kratos says "Odin dies?"

Love the detail of the multiple spears with the Champion. It was Kratos all along but he still didn’t know he would get it.

I love how the developers pulled it off again that when you watch it for a second time the entire concept is different when you know the truth, just like on the previous game! 🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

The way tyr looking is foreshadowing he is the odin

@juliane.mfarias9285

Жыл бұрын

You couldnt just keep it to yourself dont you?

@sumayahlea3276

Жыл бұрын

Wtf!!!!!

@sumayahlea3276

Жыл бұрын

I just made it through this part and wanted to rewatch the scene and the 1st f****** comment really

@juliane.mfarias9285

Жыл бұрын

@@sumayahlea3276 I feel your pain

@thegamewin100

Жыл бұрын

@@juliane.mfarias9285 I just got to the end with nothing spoiled I’m so glad I stayed off this stupid site 😂

when u finally know "tyr" is fake, u finally realize what and who these premonitions refers to. amazingly well written story

@Ror0009

7 ай бұрын

Who leads if they thought it was tyr

It really does recontextualise the scene when Tyr says 'she lied' and you realise he's speaking from first hand experience

I love when "Tyr" goes "No. I don't... I cant" to Atreus seeing Tyr fighting in Ragnarök, because "Tyr" can't fathom the fact that Tyr is going to be at Ragnarök and that he's somehow going to escape his prison where he's being kept.

Wow, just noticed Odin's motif plays around 3:25 when Atreus says that they now know something Odin doesn't and the camera pans to put "Tyr" in the centre of the screen. Goddamn this game is full of subtleties

That soft sax, lulling you into another day of watching clips of a game you'll never play. The Champion was Kratos, clearly. Odin realizing how dumb he is as Tyr was priceless.

anyone noticed that Tyr's name when he speaks doesn't have the accent above the Y but when Boy refers to him it does have the accent above the Y

I still remember when I realized the diguise, multiples times the theme of Odin sounds when Tyr is in the scene

It's so fun to hear "Tyr" say this after Odin used innocent midgardians as meatshields

Another hint I noticed, when Tyr says he won't let profecy define his choices the tune that plays is the same as when we first see Odin back at the house

Tyr: "How do you do, fellow gods? Atrocities aside, wouldn't you say that Odin is a pretty cool guy? And sexy too?"

@JimmyBoy9878

Жыл бұрын

Lol

I think it’s clear that when Kratos said you assume too much about the identity of the champion, He realized that interpretations of prophecy can become erratic and unclear which is why his message to Atreus throughout this game is “Fate only binds you if you let it, Do what is necessary, not because it is written”, he understands more than any of the characters in this game that prophecy is a tool for control and a scapegoat for not taking control of ones life/fate. Post game I don’t think Kratos is the champion I think he will occupy many monikers and titles within various mythologies depending on the story being told.

the one who preaches peace is the evil one, malevolence cloaked under benevolence. Its so relatable to our present times

Good gosh!!! Rewatching is mind blowing

The details in this game are insane looking back at it

I think the Champion was referring to Kratos, besides he was the one holding a Spear and a Horn as shown here.

I love how i thought this game was a masterpiece the first time i played it. Now going back into a replay of it after completing it once, you truly realise the absolute sheer masterpiece is actually is. The writers wrote it so perfectly its absolutely amazing game of the decade for sure

When he said "I won't allow prophecy to define my choices" it was Odin saying that as himself.

If you watch the part where it mentions the champion, multiple spears appear up from the ground. Kind of like the spear kratos gets later on.

"wait until you see this" that's when he realized he fucked up

3:19 loves the way he annoys him, and kratos grunting 🤣😂

The champion wielded not one spear, but several, it was Kratos the whole time and the game teased before we even got the spear

@lilchaos9212

Жыл бұрын

The Champion wasn't wielding the spear, the God of War was. Both characters have very different designs. The spears around the champion, like the arrows also flying, symbolised the battle before Ragnarok. The God of War was a separate character that actually physically wields Draupnir and the Gjallarhorn.

Everything leading up to finding him seemed suspect (durlin & dinner). Spear when we 1st rescue Tyr, "Frigg", bumping into atreus due to not seeing him (missing eye), "she lied", Draupnir, and the photo of "young Odin" underneath the great Lodge. Not having much insight to give atreus about the giants... even tho he was their friend. Plus Mimr told us how Odin operated in GoW2018, so subterfuge made since. Santa Monica was really smooth with this

4:39 You can see 'Tyr' under emphasizing Odin's evil doings by calling them just 'misdeeds' rather than crimes.

I love how Tyr Kratos and Mimir have their conversations Tyr has fantastic dialogue

Every Tyr scene hits different after that twist.

It's a good thing Atreus didn't say anything about Ironwood around Tyr

3:44 you can hear "his" theme here, hinting you know what

I just had a though. Tyr was a god of war. If "Tyr" ever tried fighting, Kratos might catch on to something not being right. Odin mostly faught with magic and would not know how to make the best use of Tyr's physic. Maybe that's why he was suddenly a pacifist.

Whatever the prophecy place is called, it’s beautiful. So mystical and bright, I love it.

I may replay this game again one day just to see all the “tyr “ moments in a new perspective.

I like to imagine the anxiety packed Odin when he said "She lied". Fuck him. Brok deserved better.

3:32 You can even hear the Hand of Odin theme here, an obvious hint in hindsight