why cant more maintenance videos be this straight forward and clear?!

You left out an extremely important step at the end, before putting the covers back on. Rotate the engine by hand very slowly making sure there is no interference to verify you got the timing lined up properly. Finding this out after you put it together and crank it will ruin your whole year.

@ninjazzrhythm400

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, when i watch eric the car guy, thats what he did. i wonder why it isnt included on this video.

@rickwest2818

4 жыл бұрын

@@ninjazzrhythm400 if you check the comments, they are recommending that it not be done for fear the chain will jump. I think I'd turn the crank around to verify clearance, then turn it back and see if the marks are still aligned. I wouldn't just trust that it's all timed properly and crank under power.

@radar82556

Жыл бұрын

Or get you a few more cases of beer when you need to do the rebuild 😂😉🤔

@richardtharp1608

Жыл бұрын

@Rick West, If He had told you to Check that the Flat sides on the back of the Cams are up and Parallel with the top of the Head when the Crankshaft gear is at the 8 O'clock position, then your Motor Wouldn't be Ruined.. This is a Good Video that is WITHOUT the Main Instructions to Be Sure that your Timing is Correct BEFORE You Ever Loosen a Bolt after your Covers are Off (Plenum, Valve Covers, Timing Cover).. Thanks

@scottiredale81

Жыл бұрын

@@rickwest2818 I don’t see how the chains would jump if you pulled all the tensioner pins and everything was on. It’d be virtually impossible.

This video was THEE most helpful in getting through this job! Even still, 4 years later Mr. Smith is still answering emails! Excellent customer service! 👌🏾 Cloyes for the win! 🏆

@Cloyes01

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. Peace and Love!

@tyronewallace2988

Жыл бұрын

This guy did a tremendous job he made everything seem simple and eaay going good teacher thank u again brother

@wildwoodtop

Жыл бұрын

@@Cloyes01 Sir could you be so kind to convey if cylinder number 1 is top dead center at stage 2 position or stage 1. Thank you 🙂

@Cloyes01

Жыл бұрын

@@wildwoodtop Number 1 cylinder is at TDC at stage 1 timing.

Anyone that is doing this job along with removing the heads to replace bent valves, don't just assume the chain skipped some teeth due to being stretched causing valve to piston contact. Remove the cam actuators(phasers) from the cams and inspect the locating pins in the actuators and the slot in the cam that the pin fits into for shear damage. I just bought a 2006 Cadillac SRX with the 3.6L with 129K miles and all the exhaust valves on the passenger bank were bent so I assumed that cam had jumped some teeth. I pulled both heads, replaced the bent valves and did a valve job on both heads. I got the heads back on and started timing the engine with the new timing set and all was fine until I got to the stage 2 timing for the right bank cams. The intake cam lined up just right with the colored link on the chain but the exhaust cam sprocket was about 40 degrees rotated clockwise. I put a wrench on the actuator bolt to turn it back for the marks to line up and with very little pressure, the bolt came loose. I knew these are torqued at 43lb ft so this was weird it cam loose so easily so I went ahead and removed the bolt and took the actuator off and I saw what actually caused the valve damage. The actuator had spun on the cam and the locating pin was laid over sideways and the hole for the pin and the slot was totally wallowed out and from the damage to the actuator, it was clear that the actuator had spun many revolutions independent of the cam. I can't imagine how this happened unless the bolt was not torqued properly at the factory or if maybe the timing chains and guides had been replaced before and a mechanic loosened and then forgot the tighten it back. This is probably a very rare occurrence but it's still worth the time to remove the actuators and check the pins if your engine has bent valves.

@JOHNPHUFNAGEL

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip. How long did it take you to replace the chain, I know you did heads also. I am trying to come up with a price to give my friend to replace the chain. Thanks

@schigara

7 жыл бұрын

John, Alldata calls for 10.3 hours to do the job. I think that's about right.

@JOHNPHUFNAGEL

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the quick reply.

@joshuanorman3878

6 жыл бұрын

Duc Rider

@chevycinco6654

5 жыл бұрын

Duc Rider how do you know if it was bent valveswithout taking the head off

Excellent video. Straight, to the point and easy to understand. As a professional mechanic I appreciate that. And Cloyes is a leader in timing products.

I think I bought a Cloyes double roller timing chain for my Pontiac 400 thirty three years ago. It was adjustable. Not one but three off set key slots cut into the crank sprocket. Providing multiple combinations of cam TDC settings. You could really dial in your engine for power. I learned how to degree cams for the first time on that engine. Thank you. Cloyes!

@craiggerlach5548

Жыл бұрын

Back in the day I installed one into my my 69 400 RA GTO engine, had it tach'd out on a corner and tossed the cam out the oilpan.. I had just put in a rebuilt 4 speed where the builder used Jeep bearings, said they were tad noisier but stronger, I had thought the trany blew, coasted a mile home from inertia, when got home looked under and saw cam chunk hanging out pan.. the chain was broke, had a crane fireball cam and must have touched a valve using that 3 degree mark, never did find exact reason engine was destroyed.. got heads redone, kept those, still on shelf.. car long gone.. if they had those cameras on a cable back then could have checked clearance, must have been close.. putty and wasting gaskets sounded like a waste, wish had done it now...

Cant Thank you guy enough. I walked through this step by step with this video. Glad you guys did it.

@jayclarke2434

6 жыл бұрын

Doug, were you able to do this job while the engine was still in the vehicle or did you need to pull it out?

@davidovic2016

6 жыл бұрын

Jay Clarke definitely you can do it with engine on

All that hard work and now you have to buy a new tool - after dropping it haha! Good tutorial. Thanks a mill for this!

***EXCELLENT*** Should be more top end videos like this... video should be sold with product.. dvd..for dummies like me... thank you..

Best explanation I've seen on here explaining the 3.6. and the chunk the rachet at the end.(dropped mic) just made it that much better lol. Thanks very helpful bud

Cloyes is my go to for timing jobs . Thank you for keeping it simple !

Luv your work ! Simple, step by step, accurate and professionally done.

You made this way simpler then the other videos out there . thanks for the video helped out allot

Great video, I just completed the timing chains on my cts. Your video was very helpful for chain installation. Its a big job for a diy guy but it beats the $3600 shop bill. Thanks for the vid

@jayclarke2434

6 жыл бұрын

Mr. Grider, did you have to pull the engine out of the vehicle or were you able to do it all under the hood?

@rev9fan1

5 жыл бұрын

@@jayclarke2434 the guy said you do not have to pull the engine from the vehicle

@nathanielbolden5053

3 жыл бұрын

Did my '10 Buick Lacrosse with 3.0l v6 in frame wasn't bad at all!...i was down to the chains In about 45mins but beware guys that right bank is gonna give you the blues because the timing marks are ever so slightly off...and the phasers are gonna want to roll on you you!...its best to get the camshaft retainers to hold the cams still while you degree the marks!...other than that pretty easy job!...

This is by far the best video is there is on 3.6l engines

This video made the job much easier for me. Thanks again for the Video and for the customer service! The Cloyes Kit fit perfectly and was exactly as described. I do wish it came with all new bolts for the timing components but that is no big deal.

@pablofernandez5858

2 жыл бұрын

Sería bien que lo traduzcan al castellano

Thank you, I'm doing one right now- your video is excellent

That was very clear and a great demonstration of how to replace the timing chains, timing chain stretching it is a common problem with the VZ VE & VF series, here in Australia thank you for that guide now i can an idea what to do cheers.

I wish I could start job with timing cover already removed.

@jonhunt5408

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe, I just got a friends Acadia that was towed to the stealership after losing power, and failing to restart. They have disassembled the entire top end. All in boxes. I have no idea which cam is which or what bolt goes where- it’s a great big jigsaw puzzle. They wanted to replace the engine for 8k. So yeah? I don’t know that it’s better...

@leetlot

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonhunt5408 lol same 8k for engine at dealer, car is worth like 5k, and now probably less than 1k since it doesnt start

Thank you very much,. Great tutorial,. I purchased this exact kit

Good video to watch before doing the timing chain job. I did the chains in the car. It was a 2008 Buick Enclave. It wasn’t too bad to do. Hardest part was removing the vibration dampener. I had a second person to help me install the chains for about 30 minutes to make sure the chains were lined up correctly.

thanks for making it easy!

Cloyes is the only timing kits I use for anything..high quality nothing beats it👍

@mbalentine781

2 жыл бұрын

My experience also, going back to small & big block chevy race motors in the 70's. Cloyes is the most reliable chain drive out there.

Great video! You made my life a little easier today.

This is the best video I saw about this. Thanks a lot.

Great video & thanks for posting. Sure is A LOT easier with the engine on a stand!!

I have seen a lot of video's and people comment and says the best ever ...now I know why ...the best and easiest show and tell ever ...super simple u are the MAN

@Cloyes01

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great review. Appreciate it!

Video was a life saver! Thank you!

thank god for this. i couldnt figure out why bank two wasnt right until i seen him change sprocket location by rotating crank.life saving info

THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL THANK YOU !

after seeing this video my husband bought a cloyes timing set. great vid

A thousand thanks to you, my brother. Shefferlet's car. And the Marki

Cheers mate since my engine has nothing hanging off it like this one it was a very simple guide...

Very complicated timing setup. GM didn't make this one easy, but you guys made it look simple.

Thanks buddy, very quick, super simple video I followed step by step and job now done! Really appreciate your vid mate, super helpful media.

Great video, thanks. Was about to purchase a VE Holden that has the 3.6ltr with the troublesome timing chain, but you have helped talk me out of it. I am a former mechanic and can do this job myself, but life's too short to be dealing with a GM's penny pinching engineering.

@ANSPS49AV1

5 жыл бұрын

Penny pinching? What other NA engine in Australia gets 210 kW out of 3.6 litres?

@stuartferry4309

3 жыл бұрын

4lt

Very nice Video Guys..detailed & to the point...thanks!!!!!

Great video. Helpful and it's not that difficult to do. Thanks agai.

one of the best instructional videos ive seen :) only thing how much tension on the bolt for the crank sprocket in the middle bottom?

This is a very helpful for anyone and save time. Thank you !!!!

Great video! Loved the breaker bar drop!

I love this video it was very helpful thank you !!!

Very good and descriptive video!!

very helpful video, was my first time doing chains on this engine, i brought the cam lockers but found they wernt needed. thanks for a great video

@anarchistangler

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, me too. You need them, I guess, if you remove the pulleys from the camshafts, to stop the camshafts turning?

@anarchistangler

3 жыл бұрын

I ended up buying them myself. You need them if you wanna pull the phasers off, so you can undo the nut, without pulling the camshafts out. They are handy to hold the camshafts in place while you hang the timing chains too, although the marks are clear, and you could go without.

We can install these kits in Australia/Vic if anyone needs them swapped!! Good work Cloyes!

@REVHIGHTUNINGSOLUTIONS

3 жыл бұрын

@Adrian Byers $999

Good video. Thanks. It's no wonder the GM car plants are shutting down. If it's not the broken wave plate in the transmission that fails , it's the timing chain, and or both. Plus the corrosion eating holes in the timing chain cover too. You answered a lot of questions I would have in the comments below. Thanks.

Thank you so much. This is exactly what I needed.

U did a good job explaing this is one of the best video online thank u so much

Worked out perfect...better than ProDemand instructions. Great video!

Great explanation best video I have seen about changing the timing chain

Silly me for thinking a Ford 4.0 SOHC was bad. Thank you Cloyes for the great info and a good product!

@apprenticefelix7740

4 жыл бұрын

timing chain behind the flywheel

Awesome video!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

The fact this video has a million views speaks volumes. Both to quality of the video and kit, and GM's design flaws. I have a Cadillac CTS with a 2.8L, I'll be buying this kit and installing it on a 3.6L to put in my car, and the failed 2.8L to recoup some of my expenses. Great vid👍

Thanks for this. Bought the kit because of this video.

@MRM-wp4gr

3 жыл бұрын

How much was it, and how long to do the job with motor in the car?

Thank you for the video. Got the kit with everything included. Saved me lots of time from going to Alldata to look for timing marks, and procedures then printing them out. Only thing I had to look up was the timing cover torque sequence and spec. 👍

Very common issue on these! if you get a p0017 p0018 p0019 you probably have a stretched chain. the Ecotec 2.2 and 2.4. also have timing chain issues.. first sign is a rattling noise on a cold start. Great video!!

@ismaelcarrillo3956

3 жыл бұрын

I got a P0506 Low Idle Speed

Very informative.

EXELENTE INFORMACION MUCHAS GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR

Thanks, Cody Smith, for a very informative and instructional video. Every critical point was covered including reference to torque settings on every one of the bolts. The demonstration appeared to have been done on an engine set up for the purpose, so that time could be saved, and the 8.42 minute video showed just what was necessary. If someone required the use of a torque-wrench to be demonstrated, I am sure they could find classes elsewhere for that.

Great Video, Love your torque wrench.

Thank you guys it's helped me a lot thank you thank you

Was that 18 lbs ft.? Great video. Who picked up the wrench?

just perfect instruction thanks

I never appreciated this enough. Helped me and all the Alloytec lovers I know. Totally solid video.

ME SIrvio muchisimo, GRACIAS

Thank You for one of the best instructional videos! This is extremely helpful! I didn't bend any valves or install it incorrectly! Thanks again Cloyes!!!!!

Cody you the man! I watched this video like 10 times before I did this repair myself with this Cloyes kit and it worked Amazing! Car runs super smooth and quiet. Thanks again for the great tutorial video. 😎🤙👍🏽

@bmo5082

3 жыл бұрын

How did it go? I have an Acadia that needs this done. How much time did it take you?

@lilwrencher7996

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmo5082 patience is key with this repair, it took me 3 days and about 18 hours total. I replaced valve cover gaskets,front timing cover seals, pcv valve..etc. Anything that I came across including spark plugs. I made this repair in the vehicle too so work space is limited.Key points when removing the timing chains 3x check your marks and leave your Rear cams chain on phasers until ready to swap for new one- this helps keep your 10 tooth count spacing, even then you may need to back up the very rear phaser a little. Other than than just clear everything out of the way ..every inch helps. Lastly when removing the P/s resevoir be careful it's super brittle lol I broke mine and had to order a new one. Happy safe wrenching and take your time especially when siliconing the front timing cover back on. Thanks

@bmo5082

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilwrencher7996 thanks for all the good info. Do you still think the Acadia is a good car except for this issue?

Great video keep it up

I make those at work... chain assembly but I'm a metal finisher... I get the links pins n plates bushings n rolls. Interesting process.

Thanks for this... I tore my motor apart 2 months ago due to a seized crank and while I could have scatched my head and done this by reading the book, this video got it back together in a few mins. Thanks!!

@usdibaby35

Жыл бұрын

Did you have any issue with the cams being off

@james4wd236

Жыл бұрын

@@usdibaby35 Nope

@kmican

9 ай бұрын

Was there any damage due to the seized crank, this has happened to my 3.0 terrain. I have the heads off, only damage i see so far is teeth on sprockets…a few are shiny. Once I got the passenger side head off i could spin crank. Quite perplexed at the moment

@james4wd236

9 ай бұрын

@kmican My crank was trashed. She ran it out of oil. Needed 3 rods and I had the crank milled .030 undersized.

Thank you!

Huge tip and frankly the golden rule of timing belts or chains, turn the motor over 2 revolutions and check for any resistance.

It is worth noting that all 4 cam phasers have both the L and R timing marks and if the engine has lots of varnish or is just dirty the L or R will be very hard to see. The video does not show the close up of the right cam phasers. On the engine I did this on, the right hand bank timing marks were little triangles and the left hand marks were little dots. Cloyes, It would be a good idea to be very specific about this point due to all the phasers having both sets of marks. Other than that, a very informative video and easy to understand.

Very well explained many thanks... one question Why the vvt cam gear would come loose?

the markings make it so easy

Excellent video

Great video.

Nice information good job

Great video. Helped me replace the chains in my 2010 Acadia. As an added note because I found out the hard way, you may need to buy a new gasket and bolts for the water pump if you’re pulling your timing cover. Got the motor back together and was running well but started overheating. The water pump bolts to the outside of the timing cover. According to GM those bolts are a one time use and are supposed to be torqued to yield. I couldn’t find just the bolts so ended up having to buy a whole new pump.

@jamesshores5268

Жыл бұрын

New Bolts Required, New Torque Specification on HFV6 Water Pump July 2, 2012 A new water pump fastening procedure has been implemented on all High Feature V6 engines (2.8L, 3.0L, and 3.6L) on all models (2004-2013 model years) to help reduce the potential for water pump gasket leaks. This new procedure requires NEW bolts to be used when attaching a water pump. It also requires a third pass with an additional 45 degree turn when tightening the bolts. The new torque procedure puts the bolts into yield, so the bolts MUST be replaced when they are removed. Old/reused bolts will break if reinstalled. The following procedure applies to all model years and all RPOs of the HFV6 engine. 1. Ensure that the engine front cover and water pump are clear of old gasket material. 2. Ensure that the water pump mounting bolt holes in the front cover are completely clean and dry. 3. Place a new water pump gasket on the water pump. 4. Place the water pump in position on the front cover. 5. Install the water pump bolts finger tight. 6. Tighten the water pump bolts in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.). 7. Tighten the water pump bolts a second pass in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.). 8. Tighten the bolts a final pass in the sequence shown an additional 45 degrees.

Good job Cody

Thank you sir

Thanx for you bro I am very very happy

thank you

you are the best timing replacement

Best ever video.

Excellent video. Make short work of this.

Pull the pin to activate the grenade lol. Good video

Well done

You should provide tips to torque the case cover and stuff back, and gaskets etc upgrades.

@duffysautoservice9015

4 жыл бұрын

Don't over tighten the bolts or they will break off. That's my tip of the day. ;-)

@korzym

4 жыл бұрын

G8 forum has the full manual for free, through a "media fire" link

Awesome!

VIDEO IS INCOMPLETE! What is shown is correct, HOWEVER, when the video talks about setting stage 1 and 2 timing. During this step MAKE SURE the flat side of the rear of each camshaft is facing UP, otherwise you will not find the timing marks in the locations shown in the video. It makes the whole process much more complicated trying to figure out how to properly line the marks up once the chains are off

When you change the timing chain or any of the valves bent I am to start it after it breaks

Great vid

Timing marks are near impossible to see in the vehicle. A borescope is a handy tool to have in this job. Thanks for the video I did this job less than two years ago now I'm putting your chain in there.

Thanks for the video. The timing chain of my 2010 Chevy Traverse AWD is on the passenger side. Is it possible to change the timing chain with the engine still in the car or I have to drop the engine down? I appreciate your reply.

@Cloyes01

7 жыл бұрын

You should be able to access your timing components with the engine in the vehicle. Just a little less elbow room!

Awesome video! Thanks Cody! But do y’all have a kit for the 06 Cadillac STS v6? Part number please..? Thanks again!

@Cloyes01

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry Dennis. We do not have a timing kit for his particular Make/Model/Year. GM changed some features on the timing system between 2006 & 2007. They went from a roller style secondary chain to inverted tooth chains. All we have available is the later kit with the IT chain. Thanks for the kind words though! Call our tech line, and we might be able to assist you a bit more.

Hi Codi can i ask you about idler sprocket when you install timing chain set if rotate the engine to stage two timing position after rotation 2or3 time all mark strait at mark aligns except idler sprocket if you please let know thanks

Do you recommed using the cam holders pt# EN 48383 if replacing the vvt actuators(cam sprockets) or are they not needed?

@Cloyes01

4 жыл бұрын

They are not necessary if you follow our procedure. We do not use them in this video. The phasers have a dowel that indexes them to the camshafts, then the chains set the timing.

Did your breaker bar click when it was at 43 ft lbs?

Did you have to move the allignment on the first to second chains to line up marks properly??? And how did you rotate it I see you didn't use the crank bolt??