This game is the perfect argument for why ring fencing the prem and scrapping relegation and promotion is bad

@jkapp8617

2 жыл бұрын

Go on...

@redbadger2656

2 жыл бұрын

@@jkapp8617 with no relegation the teams in a slump don’t tend to improve. Worcester were woeful last year. Bath this year but they can shrug it off as shit happens because there aren’t any consequences this year and probably not next year either because Ealing weren’t allowed to be promoted this year. If you finish last in a league why do you deserve to be there? You’re essentially just making the numbers.

@charlieandrews6944

2 жыл бұрын

@@redbadger2656 your forgetting Gloucester were last this time last year.

@redbadger2656

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlieandrews6944 exactly. Over a season whoever is last has been the worst team over the season. They should be relegated. The team that won the championship should be promoted. Simple as that. The minimum standards for Ealing and Doncaster’s capacity is absolute bullshit as half the Premiership averages below 10,001 capacity.

@sladecollins8895

2 жыл бұрын

@@redbadger2656 the capacity isn’t below 10001 it’s the attendances at sarries Newcastle sale and Worcester that tend to be below that

As a Bath fan, it's difficult to say where the team can go from here. I thought the mid-season thrashing to Saracens was rock-bottom. It turns out that I was wrong. First off, Glaws played excellently here, no doubt about it. A massive well done to them! However at their very worst, Bath should at least be competitive. There was no competition here, Bath got absolutely annihilated. It seems no one at Bath cares anymore and there is this positive feedback loop of failure which has become the accepted norm. Consistent, almost routine failure for a team in any competitive sport is never a good thing. Maybe relegation would actually be the kick-up-the-backside that the management finally needs to get rid of the dead wood. Who knows? I just hope Bath can get out of this rut and get back to playing the rugby we know they can play. C'mon Bath!

@Roberto_79

2 жыл бұрын

I think relegation would’ve done us a favour… Remember how strongly Northampton, harlequins and Bristol, came back. A season of rebuilding and re-focusing in the championship would be a blessing I think

@Loosehead

2 жыл бұрын

If Bath ever get relegated, they would not be eligible for promotion unless they improved, or moved, their ground.

@obamaisgod474

2 жыл бұрын

We needed relegation. Wake Hooper up a bit. If he cares about the club at all hed f*** off

@somanytakennames

2 жыл бұрын

All teams go through rough patches. Some rougher than others. Bath will be back eventually.

@Roberto_79

2 жыл бұрын

@@somanytakennames I’ve been waiting for Bath to resurface almost as long as I’d been waiting for Liverpool.. But at least Liverpool are picking up trophies along the way. Bath seem to be directionless buying good players one season and losing them a season later. The last time I truly believed we were capable of winning consistently, Butch James was at 10…

As a Glos fan I will never forget this game 🔴⚪

Gloucester different level not on players but on work rate and determination cmon Gloucester 🔴⚪️

@matmul4850

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Man for man there’s not much in it, but as a team they are worlds apart.

If only The Welsh management trusted Rees-Zammit as much as the Gloucester management! What a Player with ball in hand.

@joshsmith3598

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he is but there is more to playing the Wing at test match level than that. LRZ will be back with Wales soon enough but defensively has to get better.

@somersetfan1

2 жыл бұрын

Six-nations defences are at least 2 levels above Bath's, even Italy's

@somersetfan1

2 жыл бұрын

Six-nations defences are at least 2 levels above Bath's, even Italy's

@Splotched

2 жыл бұрын

He's wasted in the Wales team, all he does is chase kicks. Gloucester get the ball in his hands much more often.

@taffyducks544

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshsmith3598 I agree, hence why I mentioned "with ball in hand"

To call bath shit would be offensive to shit

As a london irish fan, see Barrfff getting hammered AGAIN has made me super happy 😂😂😂

@pookiewookie7679

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Sooo painful to watch. My clubs’ lowest moment ever. Relegation would have done us a favour to rebuild a squad. 😢😢😢

@mykeday

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it would have done. The biggest issue would be getting repromoted. The rec is not up to premiership standard. They are basically grandfathered in. It's the last thing we want to see, and I'm saying that as a Gloucester fan. The league needs Bath, it needs these big event games.

jamal ford Robinson try of the season contender

The fact the recreation ground can still get quite a sizable crowd amazes me

@daemonk756890

2 жыл бұрын

They looked like they were actually doing quite well against Saints last week, but then they let us come back from ~20 points down to win it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@somersetfan1

2 жыл бұрын

Will always be a good place for a night out

Looks like Bath were lucky to get nil. ☹️

@Legitimatelylegend1

2 жыл бұрын

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It’s very difficult to judge personal performances from a game as ridiculous as this, but Mark Atkinson was class in this game. Inviting tacklers onto him before releasing those around him. Excellent aground 12 play. I cannot fathom why England haven’t at least looked at him.

Fantastic!

Can’t wait to hear what Flats has to say about this!

Rees Zammit is on smoke 💨

Wow! KINGSHOLM is on fire 💥

Even at this late stage Bath are still providing other teams with record breaking seasons 🤣 Where did it all go wrong at Bath? Seriously major changes required

Think Atkinson could offer a lot at intl level at least for end of this cycle till end of RWC with people pointing out about age. Size, offload ability getting over the gainline, accurate passing and kicking.

@dcmj3798

2 жыл бұрын

completely agree, its like having sonny bill Williams available and not playing him

Chilcott,Catt,Guscott,Barnes,Dawe etc, Smith family.....your boys just took one hell of a beating 😉

@goldenoriolesilverbirch8220

2 жыл бұрын

That laugh hurt me. I will be seeking compensation !

por dios... QUE PALIZA!!!!!

Keeping bath from relegation is doing them more harm than good

Nice

BT keep trying to sell me this league as the most competitive in the world but this is the 5th game I've seen in 18 months go to 60 or 70 points

Que paliza.!!

How is Akinson not playing for England? He causes some serious damage on the field!!!

@visitforthemusic

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately now might just be a bit too old to be starting an international career and lacking some pace and agility of the really elite players. No shame in that though, a great ambassador for Gloucester Rugby: very consistent, reliable and skilful player.

ouch. well done glos

How is a team with Underhill and Falatau so abject at defence? Got to be the coaches.

Feel bad for the bloke doing the overnight shift putting these highlights together I was expecting a 30 min long video…

Shed-heads rejoice! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Does Johann van Graan realise what he's got himself into!!!

That first yellow card was ridiculous. The tackler went in at a "safe" height and the Gloucester full-back fell to a lower height. It's spoiling a good game. P.s. abject defending from Bath.

@johnhenryb27

2 жыл бұрын

it is nuts. to the point that without even ill intent or clear negligence it seems fairly likely that it'll be a deciding factor in a few world cup matches. interested but a little worried to see how many....

@mykeday

2 жыл бұрын

But that's the point as he dropped in contact it's mitigated down.

@leplessis8179

2 жыл бұрын

So many variables, such varied 'mitigation', so many dodgy referees and TMO's, so many weird disciplinary decisions, so much rubbish - I've not seen a deliberate foul 'hit' all season, and yet so many red cards. Years ago I'd have been off in every game I played, just for being a bit physical with no ill intent at all - and got back as good as I gave, without complaint.

@TheDanthemanJones

2 жыл бұрын

The card is because it is a shoulder to the head. The yellow is because of the level change. That is the ruleset. Same thing happened to Glos in 2nd half.

@dalenewton9697

2 жыл бұрын

Rugby is bang in trouble. This is going to be used to intentionally get players sent of, if it isn't already being used for that purpose. If that is a yellow card then every single tackle in rugby is potentially a yellow card, no matter how good the tackle technique. He had about 2 metres reaction time at full sprint (about a quarter of a second), to get to a legal contact point as a result of the players slip. Legal in this tackle would have been below knee height as the ball carrier's head was around knee height. This is physically impossible for the tackling player. The picture that the tackling player sees right up to 250 milliseconds before contact is the same as in every tackle that gets made on a rugby pitch . The player could slip , or cynically duck, at the very last second and the player is carded as a result.

For me, as a neutral, its a sad day to see a team pasted like this. In the dressing room, i'd be ok saying to the manager, "We're sorry, we know that wasn't good enough because we know what good looks like."

LRZ is some player

Wow what is going wrong Bath?

as a non-british person who don't know any idea about rugby, this is brutal

Painful to watch, painful to process. What an absolute humiliation. Changes need to happen at Bath.

I'm not sure Bath players knew they were allowed to tackle.

ouch.

Bath was run over again Thanks

What on earth happened to the Bath of Guscott and Barnes...?

I hated that game in both half’s with no tries for bath 🤬😡

Belated revenge for Gloucester for their thrashing by Bath by a similar margin in the 1990 RFU Cup Final.

@goldenoriolesilverbirch8220

2 жыл бұрын

I was there. Yes it hurt.....but I don't believe in gloating.

Anyone else come here after listening to The Rugby Pod?

It was a blood BATH

Shame. Bath whipped “black and blue”. Great rugby by Gloucester.

If you play against Cipriani just run at him. You know he won't tackle you.

Hahahahahahahaaaaa!!!! Hahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!

Bath getting outnumbered down the flanks while a man up is their season in a single passage of play. Feel sorry for the fans - the team has been pathetic.

Ooof

There is something rotten in the house of Bath..

As a Gloucester fan I disagree with the Bath yellow card early on. If he was justly yellow carded then all a team has to do is run in a crouched manner that will invoke a yellow card every time they are tackled.

@tafatapaleao4588

2 жыл бұрын

Rugby refs are the stupidest refs now, tiddly winks

@stephencarter8625

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree - I’m all for player safety but that yellow card was utter nonsense, to put it politely!

Whát a Gáme,,,,,

Jesus when you're letting Twelve-Trees and a Lock break the line and run it in from 60 meters you know you've got serious player commitment issues.

First

Awful, Bath really are shocking

Is relegation coming back?

I knew Bath where shit but I didn’t know they were this shit.

Disgrace. Management need to walk. Hooper and Hatley cannot be involved next season

Hooper out. Man should do the decent thing and step away - he won't do this though as after this season he'll never manage a prem club and earn a prem wage ever again. The club won't fire him either as his get out clause is probably massive ££'s. As a season ticket holder I am ashamed to pay his salary.

Another embarrassing performance by bath

Whatever is left of rugby as we know it is finished if that is a yellow card (Seabrook, minute 64). This kind of interpretation will be used to intentionally get players sent off, if it isn't already, and sooner or later it's going to determine a major cup final and then the shit's going to really hit the fan. If that is a yellow card then every single tackle in rugby is potentially a yellow card, no matter how good the tackle technique. The tackler had about 2 metres reaction time at full sprint (about a quarter of a second!), to get to a legal contact height as a result of the carrier's slip. Legal in this tackle would have been below knee height as the ball carrier's head was around knee/thigh height. This is physically impossible for the tackling player within that reaction space, unless they don't go for the tackle in the first place. Most alarmingly, the picture that the tackling player sees there right up to 250 milliseconds before contact is essentially the same as in every tackle that gets made on a rugby pitch . Any carrier could slip or cynically duck deliberately at the very last second, and the tackling player is off. Cards open up the game of rugby and are essential deterrents, and I generally think there should be more of them in rugby personally, not less - but for the right reasons. Rassie was right about the standard of officiating (in the Lions series, and his action plan to save the game looks good. World Rugby had better quit making him a scapegoat for their own actions and omissions along with every other player or coach who speaks up, and act quick, because there's trouble up ahead if that's a yellow.

@peaksterfpv8392

2 жыл бұрын

U talking about the first or second yellow?

@dalenewton9697

2 жыл бұрын

@@peaksterfpv8392 Seabrook's

@peaksterfpv8392

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalenewton9697 Agreed

@mylesmw

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even an agile winger like Seabrook cannot be expected to completely decelerate with 2 meters of space. He’s probably 95-100kg, running at full tilt - how in the f are you supposed to stop. He made the effort to dive over the top of the bath player, that should not be a yellow at all. Looking back at it again, the bath player didn’t start dropping until Seabrook was about 30cm away. Absolutely impossible to avoid. Penalty AT MOST.

@dalenewton9697

2 жыл бұрын

@@mylesmw Yeah I gave him a couple of metres for argument's sake but if you factor the milliseconds it takes him to actually register the player is dropping, he bascially has zero reaction time. Yellow card for that is bullshit in my opinion as the only way he avoids giving away a yellow there is by not making one at all, at which point we're obviously not playing rugby anymore. Other than letting players be the owners f their own health and welfare decisions and rugby recognising there are going to be occasional head contacts in this sport, I really dont see how rugby gets out of this. I fear it's only going to become more intractable

These referees will sooner or later ditch rugby and turn it into a ball ballet.

nice bloke and all that... but how in the world has Hooper still got that job ??? succesful clubs all have 3 things in common ; money, players, and a coach who knows how to use them... Bath have internationals coming out their arrse, and loaded with money... but the coach / boss side is non existant

Such a great advert for that horrible, tax-clever, hypocrite bloke/ company that is Dyson.

Hmm. The Rugby Gods don’t like arrogance. They make you pay for it eventually, usually when it hurts the most. 64 - 0 and you are still screaming, making faces, and rubbing your opponents’ faces in it? Unprofessional behaviour.

@nickevans9925

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a derby… if you were beating a team by such a large margin who are your rivals you’re gonna revel in it… not even a glaws fan

@rhysjones9870

2 жыл бұрын

If a team is playing with that little effort and care they deserve to have it rubbed in their face, im sorry but some of those players clearly didnt want to be on the pitch and deserve to be mocked

@garywagner2466

2 жыл бұрын

One of the fundamental aspects of rugby used to be respect for your opponent. It set rugby apart from other sports, especially given the physical nature of the game. It’s what attracted many of us to rugby in the first place. You could always tell the classy players and organizations by the way they conducted themselves on and off the pitch. That fundamental respect is eroding, as illustrated by comments like yours that think it is acceptable to taunt and demean a defeated opponent. Kids watching that behaviour at pro level will emulate it at club level. There’s already far too much poor behaviour throughout rugby. A kid on the receiving end will go do something else. A young referee subject to abuse will walk away. If you truly believe that behaviour is acceptable, try it at work on Monday. Get in your boss’s face, scream at him, wave your fist, and mock his effort if it doesn’t meet your approval. See what happens.

@nickevans9925

2 жыл бұрын

@@garywagner2466 I referee every week… a team is allowed to celebrate when they win a penalty or score a try… even if 60 odd points ahead… at full time they shook hands and no one was screaming in their faces… during the game it’s just part of it on the field, that’s how it is… after the game everyone is treated the same… it’s not like at full time the glaws players did anything other raise there hands in the air.

@garywagner2466

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickevans9925, clearly that’s not what we’re talking about. No one is suggesting that players should not celebrate a score or a victory. What Gloucester was doing, as the score mounted, was gloating and jeering at their opponents. That’s wrong at any level. That’s what football players and fans do. It’s low class.