Global National: July 10, 2024 | Canada to buy up to 12 conventional submarines for Arctic defence
While the NATO summit continues in Washington, D.C., the Trudeau government says it will buy up to 12 conventional submarines, as Russia and China's presence in the Arctic has raised concerns about their military ambitions. There is no timeline on when the submarines will be delivered, and no information of how much they might cost. But a senior government official says that it won't be enough to get Canada to the 2 per cent of GDP target. Mercedes Stephenson explains.
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Please don't buy used subs again.
@GhostRider-hp3te
20 күн бұрын
Or made in Britain 🇬🇧
@Joshua-oq2qo
20 күн бұрын
Or from the west ed mall
@PMunkS
20 күн бұрын
*NATO military industrial complex extortion that will be sold to future enemy nations when the military hardware approaches end of shelf-life. In fact, the purchase of "12 conventional submarines" is a purchase of end-of-life military hardware that is sold off to recover the cost of its initial investment.* We're supporting the war-profiteeting industry.
@mike4food
20 күн бұрын
@@GhostRider-hp3te it was Canada’s fault they caught fire. They left the hatch open in rough weather and a wave got in. Hit a electrical panel and caught fire.
@hawkswell59
20 күн бұрын
Buy US built Nuclear subs as we are a nuclear country.
Australia which is smaller than Canada just bought a Fleet of Nuclear Subs which are far better🤠
@tgidds
20 күн бұрын
Good thing we're allies.
@chucksurgeonertribute2113
20 күн бұрын
Ontario and Quebec thought they could dump their nuke waste in Manitoba, and the NDP passed a law no nukes here. Australia will glow in the dark.☢🤣😋
@djsmith2871
20 күн бұрын
@@tgiddsOne more country to freeload off of, hey! Liberal 'logic' at its finest
@bobsmith3983
20 күн бұрын
Those are subs that will never get delivered and cost each Aussie two arms and a leg.
@djsmith2871
20 күн бұрын
@@bobsmith3983 Australian sailors will be in nuclear subs long before Canadian sailors are in functioning diesel-electric boats.
Because heaven forbid we actually build something for our military in our own country, and give people good paying jobs.
@ericlavoie4697
20 күн бұрын
Exactly
@edlubitz2968
20 күн бұрын
Problem with building our own equipment is that Canadian companies view a government contract as a blank cheque, not held accountable to anyone, its a contractors dream to get a Canadians contract, just look at Irving shipyards
@tylesveque2373
20 күн бұрын
Why should we support the military when they nor the government takes care of our veterans
@petermorel4389
20 күн бұрын
@@edlubitz2968 and US military contractors don’t? lol
@djsmith2871
20 күн бұрын
Because Canada is going to get its last home built frigate in 2050. If we tried to build a submarine, we'd be lucky to have them by 2100 - the year!
The last time we bought subs, they ended up breaking down and costing the lives of submariners. 2 diesel electric from England. If we upgrade fleet of Subs let’s get behind this and make sure they are safe and up to date with the rest of the world. We DO NOT WANT JUNK AND WE WANT SAFTEY FOR OUR ARMED FORCES. That’s all I have to say about that.
@natetaylor9002
20 күн бұрын
The problem with those 4 British submarines was they were improperly stored by the UK (while Canada was negotiating for them) = the subs suffered their whole remaining service life because of that! *They also were 'hand me downs'...not exactly top tier gear!
@jusportel
20 күн бұрын
@@natetaylor9002those subs were actually cutting edge and nearly brand new, but our government spent so much time humming and hawing, and dragging their feet… Then didn’t want to pay for upkeep while they were awaiting the closure of the deal, by that time we may as well have kept the old “O” boats. I wonder how they think we’re going to man 12 subs. And in any case, conventional subs are pretty much useless in the Arctic. 🤷🏻♂️
@IlIlllIIIllIIlIIlII
20 күн бұрын
The lives lost on Chicoutimi were due to running with open hatches in high seas. The boat didn't just "break down".
@user-ko4ip1jl3k
20 күн бұрын
It was 4. I remember I had just gotten posted to esquimalt on the west coast the week after the used sub hit the ground. I remember seeing that dent in the damaged sub 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@user-ko4ip1jl3k
20 күн бұрын
For defence we really don’t need much more being neighbours like America lol
“23 billion for people harmed by the welfare system?” So the free welfare money was so harmful that they’re getting more free money? Makes all kinds of sense.
@sherreywurz731
20 күн бұрын
I agree .I'm getting so sick of them getting millions for this billions for that.not paying taxes....
@coryvincun5424
20 күн бұрын
@sherreywurz731 but my ancestors 400 years ago...
@MrGrumblier
20 күн бұрын
@@coryvincun5424 ...should have fought harder. Every square centimeter of land on this planet - save the Antarctic - belonged to someone else before it was taken away by force of arms. Even the "noble savages" fought and stole territory from each other. It is human nature.
@coryvincun5424
20 күн бұрын
@@MrGrumblier I get you. It's a 😃
@MrGrumblier
20 күн бұрын
@@coryvincun5424 I know, I was just replying to your hypothetical pearl clutching native activist.
Who will operate them? Massive shortage of military personnel.
@radioastronomy2001
20 күн бұрын
I am sure they can work from home now.
@Harbinger343
20 күн бұрын
Maybe some of these new (replacement) Canadians can step up and serve? Or is it just assumed that the last of the old stock Canadians will sacrifice themselves for this multicultural dystopia?
@justadildeau
20 күн бұрын
@Harbinger343 of course, why would they care about the good of Canada when they arrived with their hands out?
@mrbobo86
20 күн бұрын
Who are we defending against?
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
@@mrbobo86 Russia, are you not aware that in 2021 Putin filed a submission to extend a claim to the Arctic, all the way into Canadian and Greenland (Denmark) continental shelf and economic zone, as part of Russia's continental shelf. In other words, a situation where they're claiming the entire Arctic Canadian and Danish continental shelf as part of the Russian continental shelf.
Pelosi telling Biden to step down, so tone deaf. She needs to retire also.
@JH-te1ct
20 күн бұрын
She said it was his decision you lying po_
@DarklyIlluminati
19 күн бұрын
@@PelonMusk She still has a district she represents. Hole
Yes... but will they have the mandatory rainbows on them?
@GhostRider-hp3te
20 күн бұрын
Or what would we name it gender neutral I guess eh
@pointfire94
20 күн бұрын
Submariners love seamen.
@sammyjimsmith6100
20 күн бұрын
They could all be named for all those pride colours. Crews all dei and captain very woke. These subs would all fly the pride colours with white flags in reserve.
@justadildeau
20 күн бұрын
@pointfire94 last time the sea people's were key lose the ancient world collapsed
@edwardk3
20 күн бұрын
@@justadildeauloooooolllll
Trudeau wasted so much money on frivolous spending that he left Canada broke and deeply in debt . We're lucky to have enough to buy a rubber dinghy let alone subs.
@JH-te1ct
20 күн бұрын
Canada is a G7 nation and this comment is grossly misleading.
@justadildeau
20 күн бұрын
You live in a parallel universe @@JH-te1ct
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
@@JH-te1ctG7 in that our economy is large enough that the international lenders will still give us money we'll never be able to pay back. You'd think we would have paid off the first Trudeau's loans by the time his wife's son got into office, but nope.
@pizzazzsnudge7800
20 күн бұрын
Canada has the least amount of debt of all the G7 countries, very misleading comment.
@boarhog1979
20 күн бұрын
@@pizzazzsnudge7800 Well we are deeply in debt, What does G7 have to do with anything? Nice diversion
That's the same idiotic thing they did last time. Conventional subs to patrol the artic. Get a grip.
@danwelterweight4137
20 күн бұрын
Do you have any better idea. The US is totally ripping off Australia by charging them $350 Billion for 8 subs. Do you think Canada has $350 billion to spend on subs. We don't even have the infrastructure and facilities to serve nuclear powered subs. Nevermind the trained staff to maintain, operate and serve them.
@mnufeld8448
20 күн бұрын
AIP subs can do that,which theyll likely get
@the_Kurgan
20 күн бұрын
@@mnufeld8448 AIP? My concern is range. The only power source practical for patrolling the Arctic is nuclear.
@mnufeld8448
20 күн бұрын
@@the_Kurgan Air Independent Propulsion ,a conventional sub design, designed to cut down /eliminate need for snorkeling, and therefore need to even approach the surface ,by using LOX ,liquid oxygen ,which obviously can be cracked to produce the atmospheric oxygn needed , and there was a Portuguese AIP sub, Portugal part of Nato ,which did an Arctic patrol this past winter /spring . And most of the subs now being looked at , primarily Swedish and German, are AIP subs
@the_Kurgan
20 күн бұрын
@@mnufeld8448 OK I Googled it. Interesting. Has some advantages but also some serious disadvantages. Anyway they'll buy the least practical most expensive option like always.
Never been an indefinite time-line Trudeau didn't like 😂 non nuclear means easily sunk.
@collinplays1823
20 күн бұрын
Sorry what? Non nuclear means sunk. Ah yes, the typical rage infested individual who knows nothing about the Canadian military doctrine. Diesel electric submarines are arguably better than nuclear submarines depending on the purposes you require the submarines for. German Type 212 submarine would be my preference for the new submarines.
@ianleslie6971
20 күн бұрын
@@collinplays1823 you may well be right
Why don't we design small nuclear reactors to save the environment? Can our navy put two and two together?
@edwardk3
20 күн бұрын
How about the environmental cost is negligible compared to the cost of our ability to defend ourselves? ... Why is everything about the environment? We need power for long underwater deployments.
@eanerickson8915
20 күн бұрын
@@edwardk3 Diesel submarines are junk. Too slow.
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
@@edwardk3I think the OP was being slightly facetious, Edward. It's just the best way to appeal to idiots who don't understand why we need a military at all. It just so happens to also be the best way to power submarines in the Arctic Ocean.
@jnonya7743
20 күн бұрын
ask the free market why they don't and absolutely refuse to build nuclear reactors? or do you expect the government to pay for everything like some communist? Renewable is cheaper and takes a tenth of the time to get approved and built which is why the free market builds more and more renewables every single year while ignoring archaic decrepit nuclear power.
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
@@jnonya7743 energy infrastructure should be government owned if they can operate it well. We could have been like the Norwegians and built a sovereign wealth fund to rival theirs, but we're a nation run by fools beholden to their international financiers and creditors.
We better do something because currently we have no capacity to patrol the northern pass (outsourced to America) nor do we have the ability to defend even one province if canada was attacked. All of our security is outsourced to the USA. We will be lucky if one day the USA dosent just think ‘it would probably cost alot less if we just took a few parts of Canada instead of sending our troops over seas’… we have everything they need and we can’t defend it. But let me guess we are going to buy these subs from the USA…
@Dragonmist1
20 күн бұрын
tRump 😡
@danwelterweight4137
20 күн бұрын
US doesn't make conventional power submarines. They will probably be South Korean, Swedish, German or French.
@jimmyjones2901
20 күн бұрын
At least if the US took Canada we’d have more overhead budget.
@Dragonmist1
20 күн бұрын
@jimmyjones2901 Knowing tRump, he'd let Putin take us...he wants the NW passage 🤔
@chucksurgeonertribute2113
20 күн бұрын
Used garbage from England. Chuckie needs money for his castles and such.
Canada's future is the same way Greece used to be .
@supralapsarian-cb9ig
20 күн бұрын
More like how India used to be under the Congress Party🤠
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
More like Rome being overrun by the Vandals. Our golden age was building the St Lawrence Seaway, it's all been steadily downhill from there, especially once the Bank of Canada stopped giving interest-free loans to municipal, provincial and territorial governments in the 70s because international bankers wanted to give us usurious loans instead.
@BDee3126
20 күн бұрын
Brown Greece or brown Argentina you mean.
@freebolt5913
20 күн бұрын
Canadians live pretty good, standard of living is higher then the US. We do have our share of freeloaders though, they cry none stop.
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
@@freebolt5913 and they're being imported non-stop. It's sunset for the west. Pray you don't live to see night fall. It won't be cinematic.
FJT
@angelofiron4366
20 күн бұрын
FJB and FN
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3
20 күн бұрын
@@angelofiron4366TKD and TND and THD?
@Endofeons
20 күн бұрын
FUA
It's great to buy the submarines, but does Canada have the submariners? And the woke culture will not cut it.
@jeffhedrich3551
20 күн бұрын
Nope. Never will either.
@edwardk3
20 күн бұрын
These submarines are harmful to the environment. Which can be harmful to women!
@RealTalk1987
20 күн бұрын
None of them can probably even swim 🐋
@JH-te1ct
20 күн бұрын
What nonsense lol
@timpeterson2738
19 күн бұрын
Not under a left government ever, would you serve with this ndp liberal government? I think not.
With what money? I'm sorry but I'm tired of paying high taxes in Canada.
@cuddy9215
20 күн бұрын
Yea lets just not fund our military or fulfill our commitments to NATO, great idea 👍🏼
@user-ul4ew7vt7h
20 күн бұрын
Don’t you know? All politicians will take a pay cut, Hahahaha
@Matts000
20 күн бұрын
Hopefully with all the money we send out of this country every year. It’s about damn time we put Canada first for once.
@jnonya7743
20 күн бұрын
maybe we could use some of that 18 BILLION dollars we use to subsidies the Oil industry in this country?
@craigtucker1290
20 күн бұрын
Don't forget that this is a conservative priority, hence the poorly armed ice-breakers commissioned during the Harper government.
I hear Port Burwell, Ontario has one for sale 😂😂
@bradyakubovic2550
20 күн бұрын
Too modern
@kcb8130
20 күн бұрын
@@bradyakubovic2550 I'm assuming you mean the rust is too modern They'll be after something in the range of "broken down and rusting in the same spot for at least 50 years" to "has rusted to dust but we can patch it"
@timpeterson2738
19 күн бұрын
How much ?
This news station is a joke
@user-pp1ln8lr5l
20 күн бұрын
Why you watching it? Just to say it`s a joke?🤡
@tylesveque2373
20 күн бұрын
Goebbels news at its finest
@mikerussell3830
20 күн бұрын
@@user-pp1ln8lr5lbecause the best way to be informed is to listen to several different outlets. I'm a conservative, but I still watch CNN and MSNBC. However, I also watch Fox News along with several conservative outlets online.
@dixonpinfold2582
20 күн бұрын
@@user-pp1ln8lr5l I know it shocks those inhabiting their own little media bubbles, but many people with actual brains consider it important to stay abreast of what news _other people_ are seeing and reading, even if the process of finding out turns their stomachs.
@SnoopyDoofie
20 күн бұрын
And so are you.
This is the only kind of military spending we should be doing right now.
@cripplingdepression981
20 күн бұрын
We should push for a stronger air force
@jnonya7743
20 күн бұрын
@@cripplingdepression981 Why would we when we live next to the first and second largest air force in the entire world and no country has the means to send an airforce at us??? What we need to do is assert sovereignty over the Artic passage ways before its too late.
@reccecs4
20 күн бұрын
@@jnonya7743you know the RCAF has been intercepting Russian aircraft in our ADIZ up north for 75 years, right? It’s like the main thing they do to directly protect Canadian sovereignty. Russia absolutely has the capability to send their Air Force at us, they test it all the time.
@dixonpinfold2582
20 күн бұрын
@@jnonya7743 Canada owes everything to the secure world order upheld by the West at great cost. It's morally wrong to benefit from it without materially contributing to it. That includes efforts at sea, on land and in the air. Our allies are (rightly) sick to death of our free-lunch attitude.
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
@@jnonya7743 Considering we are not spending 2% of our GDP on defence. Trump said if a country is not spending 2% of GDP on defence, Russia can do what ever it wants, so if Trump is elected we can't depend on the US to help.
The Canadian People need housing, doctors, food, work, low rents, service for those afflicted by substances. The number one enemy of the Canadian People is this actual government! The days of reckoning on this land are approaching.
@ThomwoththeWeather
20 күн бұрын
and we also need to protect us all, and our friends...
@dixonpinfold2582
20 күн бұрын
Having a military _is not some sort of optional frill._ It's vital. Breaking news: Canada needs re-building in absolutely every single area. Housing, doctors, addiction care, defense, the works. Never mind a brand-new bag, Papa needs a brand-new _everything._
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
@@dixonpinfold2582 Not really. Russia is not looking to invade Canada. The way geopolitics is done now, we'd rot from the inside from foreign interference than military invasion. China hasn't invaded a single African country but essentially has multiple vassal states through lending them huge amounts of money at high cost through the Belt and Road initiative. Canada is just funneling money away. Trudeau doesn't care if this country has subs or not. He doesn't care about Ukraine. He doesn't care about Haiti. Stop thinking any of these people have good intentions with this reckless spending.
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
Where would we be today, if during the depression if the people thought the same as you and didn't want to arm or fight against Germany in WW2? Speaking German only now the danger is Russia and Putin's wants the Canadian Arctic, if he achieves that he likely will want the more of Canada for it's natural resources.
@13triki
19 күн бұрын
@@franceyneireland1633 Canada not long ago applauded a izaN in Parliement. Freeland is a daughter of a izaN collaborater.
Cannot wait for my grandchildren to see these once they roll off the line in 2050! Only to find they didnt think of the proper infrastructure for them. Go Procurement!
Please buy the tested and proven US subs and not the crappy British ones
Are you kidding me? The Libs can't even plant trees.
Send them Trudumb Castro
The Canadian government is talking with many European and Scandinavian countries in regards to the subs. They dont know how much 12 of them will cost or when they could receive them. It'll be separate funds aside from the ship building program used to purchase the subs. Several countries even offered to let Canada join their existing and state of the art ship building programs and Korea even offered to set up facilities in Canada for a joint ship building program.
Canada is at the forefront of nuclear energy and we need to build nuclear subs to run under the ice. and nuclear ice breakers not diesel
@mbergamin16
20 күн бұрын
@@Another-Address Nuclear power is much cleaner and more efficient than fossil fuels ever could be 🤨
@Katrina-mx2sf
20 күн бұрын
US has nuclear subs Tridents I think Can stay under/ at sea for +6 months.
@hypercynic
20 күн бұрын
@@Another-Address What nuclear waste disposal issue? Are you just inventing a problem in your own head? Nuclear waste disposal isn't an issue at all. This isn't The Simpsons dude.
@eanerickson8915
20 күн бұрын
Diesel subs are junk. Too slow.
@collinplays1823
20 күн бұрын
@@eanerickson8915 You know nothing about modern diesel electric submarines then
Why are we not buying into AUKUS? we have the largest uranium deposits in the world
Let's all wonder what new tax will be forced on us to pay for the submarines and then let's all just say no thank you
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
Would you rather give up territory to Russia? In April 2021 Putin filed a submission to extend a claim to the Arctic, all the way into Canadian and Greenland (Denmark) continental shelf and economic zone, as part of Russia's continental shelf, which will impact the Northwest passage. In other words, a situation where they're claiming the entire Arctic Canadian and Danish continental shelf as part of the Russian continental shelf. Russia had 8 fully armed arctic military bases built in the last 15 years. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports. If Canada isn't capable of patrolling the Arctic or defending it Canada will loose it. If Russia gains Canada's arctic do you really trust Russia and China won't push further? Ukraine didn't believe Russia would invade even as Russia was building up a military are their border. A good defence is a deterrent against aggressive countries, unless of course you'd rather learn Russian and live under Russian control. Don't count on the US defending us, especially if Trump is elected, he already stated if you're not spending 2% of your GDP on defence, Russia can do what the hell it wants.
@Tiglath-PileserXIX
20 күн бұрын
@@franceyneireland1633 Territories have already been given up to the Russian, the Americans and the Danes. They just have not taken possession.
@alweedo8377
20 күн бұрын
@@franceyneireland1633 Trump doesn't respect Trudeau and why should he? Nobody else does. Russia is more than capable of crushing Canada in a matter of hours, new subs or not. The war in Ukraine is about money for big business. Everyone benefiting has plenty of freshly printed cash to promote the killing of innocent people but there's not a dime going into any attempt at peace. Spend 32 years in the CAF, watch the absolute destruction and current ideology for yourself, then come back and edit your comments.
@timpeterson2738
19 күн бұрын
Sorry, but this is something we really do need, like yesterday!
Enjoy all this spending? Wait for the chinese tariffs on EVs!!!
@gryph01
20 күн бұрын
That's Trump... he has no clue how tariffs works
@eanerickson8915
20 күн бұрын
@@gryph01 No. It is what doug ford said to trudeau. Wait for them. They are coming!
Canada and Canadian people are broke we have no money and everything is way Way unaffordable 😑🇨🇦👎🏻
@BDee3126
20 күн бұрын
Saurry bauddy saurry bauddy 😍😍🇮🇳🇮🇳
@craigtucker1290
20 күн бұрын
Don't forget that this is a conservative priority, hence the poorly armed ice-breakers commissioned during the Harper government.
@whatdoyouwantfromme1029
20 күн бұрын
@@craigtucker1290 " priority from decades ago and done nothing 🇨🇦😑👎🏻
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
It is not as bad as during the depression of 1930's, yet we stood up against Nazi Germany. Canada went into a war time economy with rations, started manufacturing armaments. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, more than 16,400 aircraft ,40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. All the Canadian military that went overseas were volunteers. Thankfully as we all would have been speaking German. That generation is referred to as the greatest generation but it appears the generation of today is not.
@whatdoyouwantfromme1029
20 күн бұрын
@@franceyneireland1633 it's worse than the Great depression of 1929 people can't afford food and are living on the street at -50 🙏👎🏻🇨🇦
Non-Nuclear? Really, in a time we're so focused on fighting carbon producing emissions we're choosing to go diesel powered the least efficient for submarine use? While breaking the backs of all Canadians with a carbon tax? Really?
We need high end subs and drones for sea and air ,with a robust ground force free of "flavor of the day" politics....
@pattygreen8064
20 күн бұрын
why? who is attacking us and what do you think a few subs is going to do to stop them? we need to get our economy together because that is where the real battles of today are fought.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
@@pattygreen8064 The boomer generation has been so inundated with propaganda over their lifetime, they can't get over being wrong on nearly everything all their lives. The most selfish generation ever and they won't ever stop being war hawks, it's been programmed into their psyche by now.
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
Didn't Canada order some very high tech drones from the US? A fleet of 11 MQ-9B Reaper drones, built by U.S. defence contractor General Atomics.
Buying obsolete subs 😂 Oh, Canaderp...
Do the subs come with their own fire departments
Where are you gone get the money from more carbon tax?
Canada needs to get to 2% spending.Or else we just look like idiots
@gregnobert7395
20 күн бұрын
TRUDEAU ON NATO: Climate change spending a part of Canada’s commitment He is nuts
@mbergamin16
20 күн бұрын
We already look like idiots under Trudeau 🤨
@brianmurray1395
20 күн бұрын
Canada should be a neutral nation. All ee keep doing is painting a large target on the provinces and cities. All of this is total rhetoric. Canada has no war with Russia.
@jackwody7774
20 күн бұрын
or we could simply build infrastructure, better healthcare and education for Canadians. It's our tax dollars.
@ferrallderrall6588
20 күн бұрын
Uum the crazy tax we pay should have all that and then some ,but trudope is the worst leader this country ever saw, @@jackwody7774
They had to get this settlement money grab done before the next election
Even if we bought the submarines imagine the hubris thinking that you could operate them at the same time as pushing your DEI culture you're just going to get a bunch of sailors killed
@gryph01
20 күн бұрын
You are just another troll that loves buzzwords
It took forever to decide on helicopters and now we need submarines. No in my lifetime. 🌊Another dismal joke and embarrassment.
God I am so damn proud of Justin Trudeau.NOT
First thing they will throw on is a 🏳️🌈
Please buy brand new submarines!!
LOL Diesel powered subs in the arctic , trudeau working for our axis again !
48 billion there's only 40 million people in Canada ffs
We all live in a Canadian submarine, Canadian submarine ....
Oh really! Canada bought from the UK the HMCS Victoria, Windsor, Cornerbrook and Chicoutimi for at least 1.4 billion. It cost the taxpayers billions to fix and upgrade the subs. For what we spent we could have bought the German type 212A fuel cell submarines and tailor them for Canada. Since we have a FREE Trade deal with the EU this should be a no brainer i hope. Cost is 2 billion EU
NO MONEY FOR US WHO NEED HELP EATING AND HAVE PAID INCOME TAX FOR 30 YEARS THOUGH !
@darlene2709
20 күн бұрын
Canada could solve poverty with a UBI program. Currently, billions are spent to fund a variety of social service programs. UBI would replace them. There are indirect costs to poverty, including but not limited to health care and policing. UBI would reduce those costs. Billionaires and corporations can afford to pay more taxes to fund UBI.
“A senior government source warned that the announcement would be light on details” LOL
@resolutejku
20 күн бұрын
And no timeline or budget attached to the submarine announcement.. Just a worthless announcement.
The "up to" should be changed to "at least," or you know they're not gonna buy 12 subs. And NO used subs! 🤔
We don’t have money for Ontario science centre roof but we have money for subs? No money for food banks but we’ve got money for subs?
@va3svd
20 күн бұрын
Would you prefer we allow our Arctic resources (including oil) be claimed and taken by Russia and China? Our land and waters are only sovereign as long as we actively assert sovereignty over them.
@bobsmith3983
20 күн бұрын
@@va3svd Balderdash.
@va3svd
20 күн бұрын
@@bobsmith3983 Sorry, my bad. Our territorial sovereignty is easily maintained by imaginary lines on a map and positive vibes and healing crystals.
@SnoopyDoofie
20 күн бұрын
As a kid back in the 70s, the Ontario Science Center was cool. I returned back to Canada in 2014 only to discover that the OSC was nothing but a shell of its former glory. Halls once filled with interactive and hands-on displays were now just visual displays. Let it rot.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
@@va3svd You're not going to war with Russia. As for China, they're far more willing to beat you internally and through soft power. You having the resources but then having sweetheart deals with China will screw you over but keep people like you with the façade that your country is still totally independent. Lab secrets stolen, elections interfered in, and yet we still have stupid deals like how we almost entirely subsidize light mail shipping costs from China because we still consider them a "3rd world country." What a joke. The US is our guarantor. They can talk all they want about letting NATO go but Canada is right next to them and it's why NORAD is run and funded by the US. It's why the Chinese spy balloon going over Canada was shot down by the Americans.
Hey gloebel - how about some more on trump and project 2025?! Do your job 😂😂😂
Ironic, in the 1990s the DND published a white paper recommending the creation of a 3 fleet navy. Pacific, Atlantic and Arctic. The Arctic whould consist of subs that could sail under the ice. This paper was presented to Brian Mulroney and was quashed as too expensive. 30yrs later and were back to were we began. Shows the level of bureaucracy and ineffectiveness of the government. I'd laugh if it takes 10yrs before we actually get the F-35s and by the time we received it all the other nations are already using 2nd generation stealth aircraft and drones.
No timeline to buy them, which means never.
Canada should have beefed up defense when tRump first got into the Whitehouse, now it's even more critical 🤔
@pattygreen8064
20 күн бұрын
why is that?
@Dragonmist1
20 күн бұрын
@pattygreen8064 because for 1 tRump won't back us and for 2 it would employ a lot of people
@Windsofchange2023
20 күн бұрын
Biden is pushing the world towards ww3 but good luck.
@Windsofchange2023
20 күн бұрын
You must be blind, look what’s going on in Ukraine and Gaza…
@georgesimon6041
20 күн бұрын
@@Windsofchange2023 All created by the west and nato.
Ive been on a Canadian submarine. 'Course. It was in West Edmonton Mall. We were guarding The Gap 😅
@user-eo1vz9lt8g
20 күн бұрын
And a big thank you for your service...
@tylesveque2373
20 күн бұрын
That's one they're putting in service
@DavidTa2
20 күн бұрын
@@tylesveque2373 Well, the troops will be comfy then 🤣🤣
All I can say it’s about time we increase defence spending fancy technology being sold to the United States isn’t going to get us by forever
Do all announcers have to have a tweaking voice or is it just bad sound equipment or terrible sound man. 🤔
How much have we given to the Ukraine military.....😅 we can't fix our issues.
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
@jaymichaluk5261 Which also counts towards our 2% of GDP on defence. Military and financial assistance by one Ally to another, specifically to support the defence effort of the recipient, should be included in the defence expenditure of the donor nation and not in that of the recipient. With respect to military and financial assistance to a partner country, Allies can report their contributions to eligible NATO-managed trust funds related to defence projects. Military equipment and weapons donated from national stocks to a partner country, as well as assistance by military personnel in training are already included,
Didn't they already buy a bunch of decrepit subs? How did that work out?
@erikhaynes5506
20 күн бұрын
These are new they said.
@kutter_ttl6786
20 күн бұрын
Like, 25 years ago. And the fire happened 20 years ago. They've worked fine since.
@bobsmith3983
20 күн бұрын
@@kutter_ttl6786 Because they spend most of their time in port.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
Portugal also bought state-of-the-art subs many years ago. Took over a decade longer than expected to get them and then when they finally got them none of them worked properly. Neither of these countries are arming because they think they need to. They're doing it to funnel money or pay back military contractors. So many people here still falling for it. Look at the US go gung-ho over Ukraine, a country on the other side of the world than them. Canada has the US as its guarantor. We're in less of a need of a military than Iceland.
We need nuclear icebreakers and drones, not subs!
Interestingly, Australia predicted that a fleet of twelve submarines would allow the constant production of a submarine every two years to replace the submarines as they are decommisioned due to age hence preserving the expertise of the domestic labour needed to build them.
FFS IF THEY BUY USED SUBS AGAIN...
I just hope we don't go for any more old British submarines.
@collinplays1823
20 күн бұрын
I hope we get brand new German Type 212 submarines, they're brand new and modern and reliable. It's something I personally think Canada should have
Hope not from the England, the last one leaked a lot and could not go safely on patrol
@user-zf3xb3qx8w
20 күн бұрын
Subs that you couldn't DIVE and ships that couldn't FLOAT. Spent a year in Victoria and talking to procurement and Univ. types working p/t at the Federal yard.
How old is this garage we buying....
Great use of taxpayer money meanwhile no one can afford anything and more homeless everyday 👍
@dixonpinfold2582
20 күн бұрын
Ah, so let's just shut down the Canadian Armed Forces? Brilliant. You're invited to run for office on that platform.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
@@dixonpinfold2582 Uh, you should restructure your expenses when you're in financial problems, yes. Your style of argument is pathetic. Imagine your home is about to be foreclosed but you refuse to sell 2 of your 3 family vehicles, even though you would do just fine with 1. The Soviet Union had immense military spending. Look how well it served them when it's the leading cause of their financial ruin.
@dixonpinfold2582
20 күн бұрын
@@CanadianEhHole The government of Canada wastes so much money that just turning off the taps on it would free up many billions for not only vital expenses but productive investment. How about the $30bn Trudeau blew on the TMX pipeline? Response from Trudeau supporters and the Trudeau-cash-bloated corporate media: [crickets]
Why subs when we have beavers?
@justadildeau
20 күн бұрын
Canadian beavers are not shaved therfore lose tactical advantage due to drag effects
@tylesveque2373
20 күн бұрын
@@justadildeauneed it for insulation
@JLineUp
20 күн бұрын
@@tylesveque2373 correct. What else would we have to defend the arctic?
@tylesveque2373
20 күн бұрын
@@JLineUp my igloo and polar bears
Get subs from Sweden, they got it all figured. They are compact and deadly. 🤔👍
why are they for sale in the first place?
Canada should quit NATO
@paulcarfantan6688
20 күн бұрын
No, Canada should spend its 2 % instead of talking about it for the last eight years.
@alainmcin
20 күн бұрын
@@paulcarfantan6688 Why not, the only country that ever attacked Canada was the US
@alainmcin
20 күн бұрын
@@paulcarfantan6688 NATO is a warmongering organisation that wants to go to war with China next...
@alainmcin
18 күн бұрын
@@paulcarfantan6688 Why
Please do news reports on Trump and his dementia
@jeffmaxwell7391
20 күн бұрын
I don’t think Trump has Dementia.
Two nuclear subs instead of a dozen non nuclear.
From where?
Dismantle Nato or walk out, Ukraine War is not our War...with weak Economy, nation cant afford to spend money on Submarines
@gryph01
20 күн бұрын
Weak economy? Where have you been?
I would rather better health care and better roads than 2 per cent of the gdp for the USA/Nato military .
Anyone can present conflict scenario where those subs would play out?
Might as well by dog sled teams. Conventional subs are no defence against the newer nuclear subs…
I’m surprised the comments aren’t turned off
@jeffmaxwell7391
20 күн бұрын
Isn’t that just CBC?
Get out of NATO, get the Subs from Germany
@JBob-qv2fd
20 күн бұрын
NATO is the only reason we can get away with spending nothing on our own defense.
defend the arctic from who?. waste of money again
@jeffhedrich3551
20 күн бұрын
The USA says the North is an international waterway so no point in us defending it. Plus it’s a lie that other countries are operating in our Arctic.
@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503
20 күн бұрын
Norwegian, Russian, Chinese, Americans using the artic commercial sea route. We should charge them to enter just like Suez Canal, Gibraltar, Panama, etc.
@jeffhedrich3551
20 күн бұрын
@@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503 none of those countries recognize or claim to those waters. We’re conducting FON in the Taiwan straight with the USA, soon we’ll be doing that with the USA through the NWP. lol
@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503
20 күн бұрын
@@jeffhedrich3551 it's not just about the nwp, which the US claims are international water ways. It's also about claim to resources opening up in the Arctic due to climate change.
@gordonmohr2268
20 күн бұрын
@@ngoctruongpaulnguyen6503 I agree. but we dont need subs for that.
For those who do not live in coastal provinces, a submarine is a boat that operates primarily underwater. Useless and yet cool at the same time.
Thank god they got rain send it to BC
Buy or rent to own? Will it get kicked out of rimpac for noise as well?
If we're buying non-nuclear, we should source from Sweden. They're not contracted to build for others so may have manufacturing capacity without delays. The Swedes have demonstrated these things are impressive: they've snuck up & "killed" US carriers in NATO games repeatedly. We might be better set buying nuclear subs - the same ones Australia is buying. Between Oz & US purchases the volume might mean some economies of scale. Might also mean delays though. The benefit of nuclear subs would be their ability to sit on the bottom & lurk in the Arctic on sentry duty, guarding against incursions from especially China, but also Russia & even the US.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
> The benefit of nuclear subs would be their ability to sit on the bottom & lurk in the Arctic on sentry duty, guarding against incursions from especially China, but also Russia & even the US. Totally asinine. Not even all the oil in the Arctic is worth starting a war with any of those countries. You want a physically visible presence to act as a deterrent. You do not want covert vessels. The show of force is more important than the actual force available in this case. No sane person is under the mindset that Canada could hold its own against any of those 3 countries. And yes, NATO, but really that's just the US and the US will always fight for Canadian soil because of their vested interest. NATO isn't even needed for that, nor is Canadian military expenditures even.
Oh we're buyung targets.
This station, constant coverage of Joe Bidens debate for weeks... yet not a peep about the demetia gaffs of Trump or the crazy stuff he says every single day...
Still afraid of the big boy nuclear boats.
Who are we buying these from?
Oh dear god, the feds announce up to 12 diesel/aip/battery boats, any one got 50 years to waste to see all three leased from who knows where. Just know the arctic ocean is rough on conventional boats, there physically uncomfortable onboard in the cold.
Do they float or sink ?
Appreciate news coverage from Global News...
Sorry but how about just buying one really high-quality submarine, at least they’ll function correctly.
"Biden says he's not going anywhere". How can you go anywhere, if you dont know where you are most of the time?
@darlene2709
20 күн бұрын
"Dr. John Gartner: The world is watching "a fundamental breakdown in Trump’s ability to use language". Experts say Trump's decline may be "caused by his incapacity to manage the stress caused by multiple indictments" Trump continues to show more of these phonemic aphasias: “Venezuero” instead of Venezuela. He is also demonstrating semantic aphasias: “steak mountain or steak hill,” instead of “Snake mountain.” Trump is continuing to slur words. What is even more troubling is how Trump sometimes can’t form words at all but just makes sounds. “Saudi Arabia and Russia will…. bluh-ub-bll….” Salon
Will the subs balance themselves ?
@darlene2709
20 күн бұрын
That is Conservative propaganda. "The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy and the budget will balance itself." So just in case it is not painfully obvious, what Trudeau was saying was that when the economy grows, balanced budgets are more likely. Growth means more jobs. More jobs means more tax revenues to governments, which helps offset government expenditures, and should mean less government spending on the social safety net. Taken in context it seems entirely reasonable.
@davidblazevic3125
20 күн бұрын
@@darlene2709 What flavor koolaid do you like 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
@darlene2709
19 күн бұрын
@@davidblazevic3125 Instead of countering, you ask the favorite question of those who fall for conservative propaganda.
The uk is ridiculous. Trying to ban pointy knives and now crossbows. Nobody tell them how deadly the combination of PVC pipe, twine, and a sharpened wooden dowel can be.
@jeffmaxwell7391
20 күн бұрын
And now you know why the Spork was banned 😁
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
The UK politicians have been afraid of talking about the acid/alkaline attacks though.
Subs are fine but 2 Canadian made nuclear ice breakers could really create a northwest passage and they could break ice for many other ships that could follow them. We could rival the Panama Canal with the northwest passage. They could double for military and civillian uses
was ever anyone attacked Canada from the north?
@franceyneireland1633
20 күн бұрын
April 2021 Putin formally enlarged its claim to the seabed in the Arctic Ocean all the way to Canada's and Greenland's (Denmark's) exclusive zones. A situation where they're claiming Canadian and Danish continental shelf as the Russian continental shelf. Be prepared to loose it if Canada can't run patrols or defend it. If you believe they will stop there you are naive. In 2018 Beijing agreed it would cooperate with Russia on a new Arctic silk route, signing 20 bilateral documents and agreeing to invest in the region. As part of this Beijing will build several Chinese docks across Russia's north in ports. According to a 2011 report Soviet Cold-War-era nautical charts of the Canadian Arctic marked with the hammer and sickle symbol surfaced published by the Russian Hydrographic Service which are more accurate than those of Canada. These charts contained many more depth soundings than corresponding modern Canadian charts. Including Nares Strait is still choked with thick, hard, multi-year ice and would have been even more so 50 years ago, the only way the Soviet government could have acquired data for the charts is from nuclear submarines secretly patrolling it. In the last 15 years Putin has restored an abandoned military base and built 7 or 8 new modern bases, which are used all year around and are fully armed. Russia has 40 or more icebreakers and nuclear subs capable of surfacing thru 1.5240 m of solid ice. If Canada is not capable of patrolling it's arctic 24-7 or defending it, be prepared to loose it. I have doubts if Russia will stop at Canada's arctic.
Just a quick question, how well did it work out with the previous 4 submarines your Liberal government bought? INCOMPETENCE at it's finest. Perhaps, we talk to the Germans about the Type 212. One of the BEST if not the BEST in the World.
@bobsmith3983
20 күн бұрын
Why are submarines required? Surface vessels are more appropriate for Arctic patrol.
@CanadianEhHole
20 күн бұрын
@@bobsmith3983 Because they're funneling money to military contractors and usefulness is irrelevant. The best way to patrol the Artic is just to have a visible presence, so as to deter Russia. That's it. You're right. A war with Russia isn't worth some oil so anything covert is just asking for problems.
We should be spending money on surface ships like the Type 25 ships. They can do everything we need and they don’t just get crushed by a shock wave. Surface ships have aircraft on stow and they are multi purpose. Subs only have 1 purpose. That means they’re gonna be used in foreign waters.