Absolutely spot on, I drive a Chinese EV because it works for me, the purchase price was about the same as any ICE cars that I have previously purchased for the specification and it’s great to drive. I do 12,000 miles a year and 90% of my charging is from home at 7.5p per kWh, that’s less that £10 a week for me and less to service little or no break wear, free fuel top up when I drive down hill or break, plus instant torque. What’s not to like?

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

As the largest oil importer, China is determined to develop electric vehicles. Similarly, Britain is not an oil-rich country.

Honestly we lost motorcycle production back in the 70s to Japan because the UK and Europe was complacent and now it's happening again with EV's. What ever is the cheapest to maintain freedom of movement is what the majority of people will buy and sadly the West is far more about virtue signalling than a functioning society.

@stephena1196

Ай бұрын

Britain seems to be more about privatising our infrastructure and then subsidising it with taxpayers money. Which negates the reason given for why it's privatised in the first place.

@cedriclynch

Ай бұрын

Many UK motorcycle enthusiasts in the 1960s and 70s used to call Japanese motorcycles "Jap Crap" and also accused them of being copies of something. As new laws restricted 16 year olds and learner riders to small engines the British industry did not show much interest in catering for them, but Italian firms did and then the Japanese also did but with often better quality. Riders who started on small and medium-sized Japanese bikes then stuck with the same makes if they later bought larger bikes. How many UK motorcyclists now in their 60s started with an FS1E or SS50? What could either of these bikes be accused of being a copy of?

@strummer6642

Ай бұрын

Global production of motorcycles is concentrated in the far East, India , China etc. Nothing to do with freedom of movement or virtue signalling, we took back control, and have nothing to show for it, lied to by politicians again.

@pnd7727

Ай бұрын

British workers attitude is work less and demand more pay.

@IMBlakeley

Ай бұрын

The British motorcycle industry had talented engineers and designs but lacked investment. For a while the old(er) British machines handled better but they stood still on that and frankly the Japanese cracked that too. I had new Triumphs into the 1970s but even new the reliability, workmanship etc was way behind.

I don't have a weight problem with tools in my van, In my neighbourhood, turn your back and they are never there!

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

Do you think the tool thieves are using electric vans?

@tonyatgoogle6076

Ай бұрын

😅😅😅

Even the few things that are made in the UK rely on Chinese components. We assemble goods we don't really manufacture them.

@edc1569

Ай бұрын

Yeah Brexit killed the hope of us having our own lithium battery plant, just too small of a market.

@zteaxon7787

Ай бұрын

​​​@@edc1569Brexit didn't do shit of the sort. It was a step in the right direction. Except the people executing it had no intention of really establishing sovereignty and removing enemy influences. Those controlling the UK are the enemy. Just like the EU. Same agenda just cosmetically loose from the EU.

@CaldonianDude

Ай бұрын

Yes, and even the robots that build the cars, Kuka a once proud German company with a long history, was bought out by the Chinese in 2016...

"The Chinese can watch all of our movement" Us car manufacture already does this. This national security line is BS.

@stephena1196

2 ай бұрын

A similar argument was tried against TikTok.

@saulgoodman2018

2 ай бұрын

@@stephena1196 There's not proof that tiktok does it. People say they send data back to them. But every app send data back to their servers. That is just how the app works. But go and read these cars TOS. Lots of them track what you do. Those companies even said so.

@llee4225

Ай бұрын

It is not BS but just twisted fact. The true security risk is that if you use a Chinese car or phone, the US or your government can no longer track you. China doesn't give a hoot what you do!

EVs typically recoup their manufacturing CO2 by 15-20K miles, not 60K, though that figure may be plausible for the heavier, less efficient models

@jamesclark5654

Ай бұрын

Depends massively on the country of production. Something like a 3:1 difference between EU and China although I can't remember the figures exactly

@FabioCapela

Ай бұрын

@@jamesclark5654 Closer to 2:1 in 2022 figures, if you are talking about the carbon intensity of electricity generation; it was 251 grams of CO2 equivalent per KWh of power for the EU, and 531g for China. With the caveat that among EU countries Poland and Cyprus have worse values than China. Incidentally, China is pretty close in electricity carbon intensity to Australia (502g), Japan (495g), and Israel (538), and better than Taiwan (561g). And how fast using the car recoups the "built in" emissions actually depends more on how clean is the energy grid of where the car will be used. If you use it in, say, Brazil - which emits less than half of the carbon per KWh than the EU - or Ethiopia - where the energy carbon intensity is a mere tenth of the EU - then it will recoup those pretty fast, while if using it in Poland it will take quite a bit more to recoup those emissions.

@Aapig

Ай бұрын

I suggest you read more and study more

@jamesclark5654

Ай бұрын

@@FabioCapela " if you are talking about the carbon intensity of electricity generation". Not really. I meant that how many miles it takes to recover the manufacturing costs depends on where the car is made. Seeing as this is a UK video it was implied that the car would be driven in the UK. At which point the only difference to time to recovery is where the car is made.

Most prisoners in the U.S. are required to work, and all state prison systems and the federal system have some form of penal labour. Although inmates are paid for their labour in most states, they usually receive less than $1 per hour.

@Google_Does_Evil_Now

2 ай бұрын

Over 2 million in American Privatised prisons. Terrible re offending rate too, Prisons should have to hit a performance target of 45% or lower re offending rate.

@saulgoodman2018

2 ай бұрын

But the get free food, free housing, free health care. All paid by the taxpayers.

@stephena1196

2 ай бұрын

​@@Google_Does_Evil_NowI feel there may be a correlation between the number of private prisons and the prison population. No prisoners, no profit.

@FabioCapela

Ай бұрын

@@stephena1196 There were known cases in the US of judges being far stricter and giving longer sentences than they should and getting kickbacks from the company managing the local prison.

@brianliew5901

Ай бұрын

The last time I checked, it costs $105 a day to maintain an inmate and that was 5 years ago. 🤑🤑🤑🤑

About 6 mounts ago I was talking to a BT engineer about the pcb.He told me they were removing the Chinese made pcb as the us didn't like it for security reason and he was replacing them with US made pcb as a result the US ones kept breaking down unlike the Chinese ones that just worked.

@eliotmansfield

2 ай бұрын

I guess the US didn’t test their tracking code as well as the chinese 😂

@fluffybadger9832

2 ай бұрын

If you believe Joe Blogs KZread channel the Chinese economy is beginning to implode!

@samspade5648

2 ай бұрын

​@@fluffybadger9832 That and the looming population crash within about the next decade and a half.

@makstar7062

2 ай бұрын

That’s by design, repeat forced custom. Reminds of the milkshake machine debacle at McDonalds.

@eish3291

Ай бұрын

Remember it,s the politicians that made the decision to remove Chinese made equipment. Many politicians are not technically minded and don't understand how equipment works.

We have had a Chinese EV car for 3 years and cannot fault its build, reliability & cost.

@sailingoctopus1

Ай бұрын

Three Chinese EVs in our family, the oldest is three years old and the youngest is eighteen months old. They have all been faultless, cheap as chips to run and excellent value for money. Great to drive too and they all have a seven year warranty.

@sailaway8244

Ай бұрын

Great but when they manufacture everything how do you make a living to buy them?🤔

@ColinLuker

Ай бұрын

@@sailaway8244 probably a question for current / past governments as they decided service industries was the future. Think manufacturing has long gone from the UK except in specialist areas.

@sailingoctopus1

Ай бұрын

@@sailaway8244 I don't know, but it happens. Macro economics works in mysterious ways. It's nothing like a household budget, which is what most people try to equate it to.

@eish3291

Ай бұрын

​@@sailaway8244You don't realise that not every person works in a motor manufacturing plant. Those that don't make a living from other jobs.

I love my EV and I'll never go back. I suspect technology progress will increase range (although its already up to 300 miles) just as mobile phones went from being the size of a breeze block to palm sized in 10 years. But yes, big oil is a powerful lobby in Europe and the US.

@abbersj2935

10 күн бұрын

What percentage of EV's have a year round range of 300 miles? Probably about 5%. So what's the point of kidding people?

I remember those 1950’s streets - almost free of parked cars.

Chinese cars are half price in China but not half price when sold in Europe

@-htl-

Ай бұрын

And they do freely polute in all those mining sites arround the world taking no health and safety measures which will cost more.

@art969bones

Ай бұрын

IE Tariff’s

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

Even though Chinese cars are expensive, European manufacturers are still in a panic. Therefore, it is conceivable how lazy European manufacturers are.

@james_l4337

Ай бұрын

Chinese EV is expensive in EU from many European

@mrwylie6722

Ай бұрын

Even a Chinese made phones are retailed at least 50% more in Europe.

Love 'em or hate 'em Chinese electric vehicles WILL get much better and they WILL take over the world. Legacy car makers will have to adapt or they will collapse. People opinions are not going to stop the Chinese. Similar to what happened to UK car manufacturering when the Japanese car makers first went mass market.

@yukon4511

Ай бұрын

Just like electric bikes and high rise buildings, China is ramping up EV production just as demand crashes.

Had to laugh as the state of driverless taxi in Uk , so so true😅

Roger for PM , it's not many videos that I can't find fault with the content , love it

Well said Roger. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The west handed most of our technology to China on a plate back in the 1980's. I work for a major aircraft supplier to both Airbus and Boeing. They all set up factories there 30 - 40 years ago to tap into the Chinese market. Take a look at their competitor the C919 and you'll see it's almost a carbon copy of the Airbus A320. It ain't quite there yet, but it will be.

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

The idea of an aircraft that 'ain't quite there' fills me with dread.

@hypocritehater1673

Ай бұрын

Blame others for your failure,very typical

@mentality-monster

Ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Indeed, though look at Boeing recently!

@eish3291

Ай бұрын

All countries start off by copying. Did Japan and Korea not do the same. When they have mastered the copy then they make improvements where the original was lacking.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

You can't blame your laziness on the diligence of others. Competition always exists and will promote the development of productive forces.

Currently own a Chinese 2019 MG ZS EV and do 20k miles per year in it (85k on clock) Mainly 70 mile daily commute with occasional 330 miles family trips. Saved me £2k per year in fuel over my last ICE car (skoda Octavia). Cost me £20k, currently can buy for just £11k. The secondhand EV market is full of bargains you can now get my car for £11k or a top range EV like Jaguar ipace for just £24k. So are EVs still expensive, well they are not if you can charge them at home on off peak electricity and use them for your daily commute. Buying a secondhand one could save you a fortune.

@danielhart3820

Ай бұрын

Try buying the batteries when they start to pack up... Will be costing 25k just to replace the batteries...

@shortbits23

Ай бұрын

​@@danielhart3820 They last for 100's of thousands of miles. Like I said my current EV is 5 years old and done 85k miles, current state of battery health is 89% so I've lost 11% on 85k miles. By the time the battery is dead and needing replacing I would have done 250k miles, most petrol cars fall apart after that distance. Also your prices for batteries are wrong, a fully working 50kwh battery can be got for £10k and battery prices are dropping dramatically.

@danielhart3820

Ай бұрын

@@shortbits23 where are you getting your information from? I am an EV technician. Batteries are normally warranted upto 8 years, after then you are paying more for new battery pack of what the car was worth when you got it brand new... Yes eventually batteries will be cheaper but they aren't coming down like that! The only thing that makes EV vehicles worth any money is the batteries, with them gone the vehicle is useless. And when the batteries are at end of life where do they go? In a field somewhere buried in the ground. EV is a temporary solution until hydrogen comes into play!

@shortbits23

Ай бұрын

​@@danielhart3820 as for hydrogen, not in cars, will be used in trucks and heavy vehicles, and shipping. JCB are really into hydrogen, it works well for them. So it has it's place.

@shortbits23

Ай бұрын

@@danielhart3820 I have responded to your question "where are you getting your information from" twice and for some reason they have not been posted. One of my responses took a good 20 minutes to compile, gathering all my sources and FACTS. Can't be bothered to post here anymore just wasting my time if my post are not published god knows what the thread admin is doing or is it KZread.

I was laughing when Jeremy Clarkson said we will be buying Chinese cars soon, many years ago, until I saw their cars on Chinese streets not long ago.

AS AN AMERICAN BUSINESS MAN. WE IN THE WEST ARE DELUSIONAL. WE SOME BELIEVE IF WE DO NOT ADAPT TO EV, THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL NOT. THIS WESTERN ANTI EV SENTIMENT REMINDS ME OF THE WAR ON ELECTRICITY BY OIL COMPANIES WHEN ELECTRICITY WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO THE GENERAL POPULATION..

How does losing big industries that are unionised and pay well, help out western economies?

@jp6975

2 ай бұрын

I suspect you've found the answer hidden in your question...

I'm sick of seeing adverts for EV cars on the TV, Utube and newspapers.

The Chinese also make BMW, Tesla and many other manufacturers models. It’s not just BYD, SAIC, NEO and Xpeng cars.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

In the first quarter of 2024, China exported 1.017 million ICE vehicles, up 34.5% year-on-year. China didn't give up ICE.

@Ilost11

Ай бұрын

@@amandagrant4331 To be fair, China's ICE exports are up quite a bit because of the Russia Ukraine war. The Russian market which had some diversity of choice with lots of European brands is now completely dominated by Chinese brands.

@james_l4337

Ай бұрын

There's a lot of China ICE vehicles on road in Australia, people in Australia buying them lots. They are 5 stars and good price. There's BEV Telsa the most, many too, then some BYD Atto 3 Not so much as BEV news hyped Tesla feom China in Australia is most benefactor in EV at present 2023 to 2024.

Roger all dressed up in a suit . . . off to an interview? Hope you get the job mate!

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

My Snickers are in the wash

@robertmawby3021

2 ай бұрын

It’s usually either an interview or a court appearance! 😂

@SkillBuilder

Ай бұрын

for me, these days, it is funerals

@Brian77766

Ай бұрын

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry at that one Roger

Since Thatcher the British government’s have all been negative about manufacturing in Britain. We can’t compete with the Chinese because of British government policies. Mostly taxes. Energy here is highly taxed compared to China. Polluter pays taxes etc etc etc.

@etiennebaree6176

Ай бұрын

don't forget that when china in need is of money they just print some....

@DewtbArenatsiz

Ай бұрын

Thatcher negotiated the Japanese car makers to come to the UK

@samsonacc8081

Ай бұрын

​@etiennebaree6176 think you made a typo there. Chinese economy is still gold based, we all know whose economy isn't and who prints money without backing on regular basis.

Roger Bravissimo! Well researched and delivered!

The sq root off F..k all I'd say covered it. Well said Roger.

I don't think electric vans are for trades people (yet). They are very suitable for delivery people transporting laundry on set routes each day, stocking the counters within an area, ... . People that drive 60 miles a day with frequent stops knowing they charge the van at the depot each night. Those vans don't get bought by people passionate about a brand or engine system, they get bought by logistic managers that are under pressure by accountants. Once the formula says go they go. Amazon is the 'Prime' example.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

EV doesn't need to occupy all occasions. As long as it occupies part of the use occasions, it is a huge market.

The lifetime environmental impact of EV's, particularly their batteries, is not clear. As mining and recycling operations scale up and the tech matures we'll get a clearer picture. The upgrading of infrastructure will also be a major economic and resource burden. We may end up with China controlling most of the worlds auto trade, while solving none of the problems of emissions they claim to be trying to deal with.

It's not about the Chinese turning them off Roger, it will be the Government when you have used up your carbon credit allowance.

Do vans re-adjust the range depending on how much it’s loaded in the back?

@nonoyorbusness

2 ай бұрын

In reality yes, the more you load it the less range!

@effervescence5664

2 ай бұрын

Yes when I got the e-vivaro it actually did roughly it's 205 mile stated range empty. By the time it was racked out and packed out for call outs it estimated 80 miles in the winter which actually came closer to 55-60 miles. Losing 75% of advertised was a bit too big a kick in the balls to make it viable for us. Thankfully it was only a test vehicle but given that some days we were due to do a 90 mile round trip for boiler break downs it was impractical to even attempt to take it given the lack of consistent public and motorway chargers.

@Mr_Ashley

2 ай бұрын

@@effervescence5664 damn! That’s huge! Does it have internal weight sensor then to know this?

@effervescence5664

2 ай бұрын

@@Mr_Ashley Not that i found, it appeared to calculate via energy used in transit. Took more to pull away fully laiden and depleted faster so i think it was just using the ine metric to measure. I didn't bother looking too hard into the features as for us it was more about the viability of an ev van fleet than testing a vivaro.

Good overview, thanks

Spot on! We all think it, but none of us sensible people say, it just too much agro.

I will take my 1936 Morris 8 out for a spin this weekend. Perhaps it might have to go back to a daily driver!

You have said what most people are thinking I suspect.

Respect to you sir! Well said and on point!

I'll join you in being grumpy then... Great Roger as always.

I absolutely agree with your comments about Chinese EVs. I live in Thailand, where they are becoming quite popular, and in our neighbourhood we see quite a lot of BYD, MG, Ora and Neta buzzing round. My mate has a Neta V, it's a nice compact family car which sells here for around 12k GBP. I quite fancy one, particularly as I have solar panels on my roof, but I can't justify getting rid of my 3-Litre turbodiesel truck for very little money just to buy an EV. The Chinese are opening factories here to build EVs. The party is over for European manufacturers who concentrated on selling vastly overpriced SUVs to well-heeled environmentalists, and that market is saturated now. It will take them 10 years to catch up with the Chinese in the market for affordable EVs, if they survive at all.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

If China has abundant oil reserves, I think they will not rush to develop EV. The same is true in Thailand.

With the reducing cost of batteries, EVs should achieve cost parity with the ICE counterparts in about 12 months. However, legacy auto is artificially keeping costs high to preserve the lucrative after sales profits (servicing etc.) they enjoy with ICE cars.

@jamesclark5654

Ай бұрын

And Chevron held the patent for NiMH battery powered cars for decades and only used that to stifle the market for their own benefit. Completely criminal

There are many Chinese students at the University in the city where I live and all seem to be studying some aspect of the automotive industry. Also there is a sort of extention of the University over in China which is bigger than the whole Uni here.

@sailingoctopus1

Ай бұрын

China produces 1.6 million engineering graduates each year. Just let that sink in. 1.6 million!

I worry for my son Alex and what he will face in the future 😕🧱👍🏽

@SkillBuilder

Ай бұрын

He should start learning Mandarin and there will be a lot of work for him when they build the next Great Wall

Brilliant presentation .

@SkillBuilder

Ай бұрын

Many thanks!

Finally an honest video that actually explains what's going on in the EV market. instead of the usual click bait YT bullshit or propaganda laced Msm articles

you're a lad Roger! Couldn't agree more, depreciation on EVs will kill the industry in 5 years without China.

how does a heat pump fit on the list of low carbon appliances, like wind, power, and solar powered electric generation? as an HVAC technician, all a heat pump is, is like an air conditioner. An air conditioner does not create cold, it simply removes heat from the home, and dumps it outside. In the colder months, it extracts the heat from the cold air and dumps it into the house. They are not very economical for saving electricity, and they don’t really make that much heat if the temperature drops below 32°F or0° C.. A heat pump, then has to energize heat strips to add supplement heat, which uses a great deal, more electricity because the heat pump is not very efficient once it goes below 45°F. Even though the air outside may be cold, it’s still warmer than the refrigerant in the lines of the heat pump. And that additional temperature it is able to put the heat inside the house, as lukewarm as it may be.. I wonder when they will get around to reducing peoples ability to burn wood or coal in their homes because that releases carbon also. In parts of the United States, such as in Utah, people that use wood to heat their homes have to have catalytic converter‘s in there, flue pipes that vent the burnt gas to the outside of the house. So many people burn in some valleys with subdivisions of homes in them, that the smoke is unbearable at times. keep in mind, if you think you are saving carbon by going to an electric vehicle, think of this. Approximately 40 metric tons of material has been mind, transported, and processed to make just one EV battery.

👍👍👍. Thank you

It’s nothing like 60k miles to achieve carbon neutrality with ICE - between 10-15k is the best estimate and it’s coming down all the time.

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

It really depends how you measure it. Steel production accounts for 6% of manmade CO2 and China produces steel that has a much higher carbon footprint than anyone else. I didn't say that they would achieve parity with ICE I said, the point when they break even on CO2 is around 60,000 miles.

@kierank01

2 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder If China produces the steel, how does it get to Europe? What is the difference in shipping a lump of steel, or a car You should have a listen to Hannah Ritchie's podcast with Robert Llewellyn. Shipping is not as bad as it might seem, and with a modern clean grid, the "breakeven" is much shorter than 60k miles Cheaper cars are a good thing, because it means more people can buy them, and free up money spent on fossil on something more productive

Without watching the video the answer is YES!

How are the Governments of the day going to recoup the loss of fuel duty and taxes when we all switch to electric? When we are hooked, you watch !

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

The government will always get revenue. Carbon tax is just around the corner.

@johnstilljohn3181

2 ай бұрын

Massive tyre tax...?

@Richard482

Ай бұрын

Pay per mile. Already doing that in Australia.

@Richard482

Ай бұрын

​@@SkillBuilderA carbon tax can be effective and not make the poor, poorer, when the revenue is evenly distributed among everyone who paid into it.

@johnstilljohn3181

Ай бұрын

Tyre tax - massively...

Roger, you are a Legend!

Great video as always Roger (and production team!). Addendum on the tracking tech... EU recently reported on fuel economy of hybrid vehicles and how plug-in hybrids hardly seem to get plugged in. What was their data source? EU-mandated telematics that self transmits. No need for the Chinese to track you when the government do it already😂 "It wasn’t widely discussed, but the EU legislated for the installation of on-board fuel consumption monitoring devices (OBFCMs) in vehicles sold in member states. These had to be fitted to cars registered from 2021 and in vans registered from 2022. The European Commission said: “Regulation EU 2019/631 also tasked the Commission with monitoring the ‘realworld’ CO2 emissions of vehicles on the road, using the data read out from the OBFCM devices and comparing it with the corresponding official WLTP data.”

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

That is an interesting conversation to be had. I have seen data on ULEZ compliant vehicles collected from road sensors which suggests that they are not performing as expected. Lots of them have been remapped.

China just delivered almost 5K electric MGs to the UK selling for less than £10K.

I’ve found that older diesel automatics or hybrids get quite painful to drive Whereas the EV are smoother in traffic and low speed I do a lot of driving I’m currently deciding whether to hire or hire to buy a late model hybrid or EV

Range Anxiety: "Electric Vehicles still have a long way to go" - Roger, you are a comedy genius 😊

Thanks

It’s really worth listening to Siddharth Kara (a journalist) talk about the cobalt mines in the Congo, some pretty horrible stuff.

@parsnips800

2 ай бұрын

I've no doubt human rights are being violated in the Congo but it's worth remembering that a great deal of EV batteries are cobalt free.

@Flat-Five

2 ай бұрын

@@parsnips800 oh interesting, I thought it was needed but I must have outdated information.

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

King Leopold of Belgium made the Congo a hell hole. His soldiers cut off the hands and feet of children in order to make their slave parents work a bit harder. At least the Chinese are not in that league.

@nortonansell

2 ай бұрын

Worth noting that most EV batteries are LFP now and contain no cobalt. There is a big shift to LFP and Sodium.

@carlarrowsmith

2 ай бұрын

It's amazing how for years people pumped petrol for which part of the refining process requires cobalt. Then used mobiles and laptops with cobalt in the batteries, but they never mentioned it.

Not 100% convinced EVs are there yet but they will be. We need amongst other things an integrated subsidised public transport network to cut down car journeys. Viable alternatives to personal transport that is cheap safe and affordable.

Unfortunately, I think you are 100% correct

And the damage to Tyres transmissions and the weight of damage to tarmac. And the Negative green factors together with fire damage risk…??? 😮

This 60000 miles claim is interesting. Are you putting the equivalent on your petrol/diesel vehicle, which itself also had to be built (and almost certainly imported from elsewhere)...? In reality, yes an EV will start its life with a higher carbon cost, but it is closer to 12000 miles difference to an ICE vehicle. For many people that'll be 6 months usage. Anything beyond that is only emitting at a level linked to the electricity generation mix of the power used to charge it. As we all know, that generation mix is getting cleaner by the day. The environmental argument for an EV has already been won. The comfort and convenience one is still ongoing, but that is also only going in one direction so there's no use in fighting against it.

I will never give up my internal combustion engine. Never

@peterchristian6547

2 ай бұрын

That’s fine. You never have to.

@hypocritehater1673

Ай бұрын

Who cares

Net zero no carbon, then what happens, sweet fa.

Solid state batteries, if they ever become viable to manufacture, theoretically would make battery production viable outside of China, because they use plentiful sodium instead of lithium.

@stephenoverthrow2463

Ай бұрын

I read a couple of months ago that Toyota have perfected the solid state battery with a possible range of around 700 miles and alot quicker charge time than traditional lithium batteries. They reckon they may be ready by 2027.

@FabioCapela

Ай бұрын

Lithium isn't the issue. In fact, it's the one piece of the battery puzzle where the west is, let's say, less behind China. As for Sodium, China dominates research in that too; there are already Chinese production EVs with Sodium batteries. There's even a Chinese company promising solid state Sodium batteries for 2026 or 2027 with 300Wh/Kg energy density and at a cost of $40/KWh.

@james_l4337

Ай бұрын

Sodium battery is semi solid state still liquidity

By 2035 there won’t be many petrol or diesel cars left to buy new. All manufacturers are switching to EV power. There may be a couple of Bentley or Morgan models, but not much else made in UK.

Congratulations on that true & honest words!

The cost of EVs in 2035 won't be the same as now though-surely?! It's a relatively new industry so costs are higher but if you believe the likes of Tesla then new models will become far cheaper soon.

Well said Roger! An additional comment if I may: The Chinese government decided to switch to EV for two main reasons: 1) China imports huge amount of oil every year and that’s a crucial strategic good for them, and they didn’t want to waste it on consumer vehicles. 2) The air pollutions in China mega cities were really bad 10 or 15 years ago (if anyone still remember), and one of the main sources was from those ICE vehicles. So, for them, EV is a very natural solution, and it was mainly for their domestic market. Competing in the international market is actually just an incentive that wasn’t in their initial plan and kind of took themselves by surprise as well.

“A Friday car”. Love it!

@alstonofalltrades3142

2 ай бұрын

I heard it was called a "Friday afternoon car" years ago. Still funny either way.

@SkillBuilder

Ай бұрын

All of Friday now.

If they kill off their target market, the target market won't be able to buy the product what ever the price.

Who is to blame for the charging problem ?

Wouldn't be too bad a thing to have fewer cars about... EV or otherwise

@SkillBuilder

2 ай бұрын

as a cyclist I agree with that.

How are we complaint the boss was smarter than the workers

A mate of mine kindly drove me from a place near Warwick to Porthcawl to pick up a bike frame using his BMW Electric vehicle which admittedly only had a range of about 130 miles. We set off at about 10 am and we know where the charge up point are on the route. Anyway it all turned into a nightmare. On the way back when we set off we only had about 21 miles on the battery got to the charge-up point at a large service station and the charger's were down so we had to keep moving and the life on the battery was going down fast. It took us ages to actually find the next charging point and could not get it to work correctly and that place was about to close business for the day. Luckily the owner turned up and switched the charger off and then back on again and it worked but on slowest setting it could work on. Had to charge up again about 20 mile on and that took an hour + and another charge after that. Anyway Roger I arrived home with the bike frame at about 11.45 pm. Bonkers crazy and as the great Peter Andre would say and sing = insania.

@SkillBuilder

Ай бұрын

Hi Simon You have confirmed my thoughts, it is insane to start moving people over to ev's without a much improved infra structure. If our national productivity is down now it will be ten times worse when we are all sitting in service stations waiting for our 20 minutes on a charger. The coffee shops will do well.

@simonirvine1628

Ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Yep I agree

@bordersw1239

Ай бұрын

How long ago was this?

@simonirvine1628

Ай бұрын

@@bordersw1239 couple of years ago

@bordersw1239

Ай бұрын

@@simonirvine1628 . Lots more chargers along the M4 now but it must be nerve racking driving a car with short range, wouldn’t mind one as a second car but think I’ll keep my 7 seat diesel for the long runs.

The Chinese government's early focus on electric vehicle (EV) development stemmed primarily from two key factors. Firstly, China's limited oil resources prompted a strategic shift towards alternative energy sources. Secondly, the need to address air pollution in densely populated cities, exemplified by severe smog incidents in Beijing and other urban centers. This environmental challenge coincided with a rapid increase in car ownership among Chinese city residents. At the time of strategy formulation, international competition was not the primary consideration. The distinguished Chinese scientist Qian Xuesen, who was educated in the United States in the 1940s, proposed this strategy to the central government in the 1990s.

Great video, but the battle for British industry was lost decades ago. Not possible to turn it around now...

The earth is doing just fine, we just have to get through this pathetic time, it’ll all fade away when the money has been made, ignore it all, just live.

Good video as normal but in 2023 UK Manufacturing was valued at £224 billion. This placed the UK 8th globally in manufacturing output. Some people somewhere are making things - not sure where or what admittedly.....

Roger you should stand for priminister.

"They don't pollute the air" - except in the African ore mines, the trucks and ships transporting the metals to and from China and where the electricity is generated!

Just google Toyota's battery technology roadmap to see the 3 options they'll be offering in the next couple of years and to give you an idea of what will be available by 2035. The government won't need to ban ICE vehicles they'll be redundant.

Is it just me, or do most people simply dislike electric vehicles...? I cannot see how they are an environmental improvement - they just shift the carbon somewhere else.....

@crm114.

2 ай бұрын

EVs are greener than ICE after around 10k miles. More importantly, they move pollution from the cities.

@timj11dude

2 ай бұрын

There is a shift, the batteries used on EV cars today use quiet a lot more raw material than conventional ICE car. The difference is that once made, the source of energy an EV car uses can be made entirely through renewable/sustainable sources. So over it's lifetime, accounting for manufacturing the EV should have significantly less impact on the environment.

@timfulwell8472

2 ай бұрын

Have you been in one? They are smooth and quiet. Also they don’t gas you when sitting in traffic. Try it.

@jp6975

2 ай бұрын

The Gvmt is pushing people to these based on their green credentials. People realise they are not as green as claimed so dislike the Gvmt pushing them down everyone's throat. However, not one EV owner I know, and I know quite a few, got theirs for green credentials. They got them because they liked them and they work out well for them. I'd go as far as saying most EV owners don't believe their cars are greener than petrol/diesel.

@patrickjr11

2 ай бұрын

I love my electric car. Zero emissions, lovely to drive and wayyyyyyyyy cheaper then an ICE care. What's not to like?

The UK has a history of being late to the party, look at the railways, they have been mainly electric across Europe since the 1920/30's as standard. Its only over the last 20 years that the UK has got electric power from Paddington to reading. A bit more Petra Andre anyone, would one like to hear insania for one more time.

realistic topic being put forward in a funny way.

The Chinese battery company CATL already have 3 types of batteries that solve all issues, the Shenxing LFP battery, the Shenxing Plus LFP battery and the Qilin NMC battery (CATL use a lot of recycled Cobalt for their NMC) amazing range, charging speed and deep Winter weather capability. That said fleets of electric vans and trucks already in use are purchased with appropriate range for the routes used no more no less. Every driver of say a RIVIAN Amazon van in the USA I have seen on KZread says they always return to depot with range to spare and that is with standard batteries.

Totally agree with your points. It’s still boils down to what my high school teacher said. Energy density in batteries is the key. Apart from weapons we make FA as you said and why because of the greed of those previously in charge of those industries. Always looking for a workforce without the workers. AI is just another step on that road. Their only solution will be to start a war me thinks!

One channel I came across said to look at the lifecycle of a vehicle, from raw materials (environmenal damage), production, use and how much of it can be recycled and how much ends up in landfill. For the freedom of travel and ease of use, I do not see EVs as the future. Looks like the government wants to turn the clocks back and make car owning very expensive, except for the mps and the rich.

Our network is bigger than it should be, we have already too many chargers which means the current ones are not profitable any more. I had never to wait to charge which is an indicator. Kuka robots has been bought by a chinese car manufacturer.

The premium; EV chips, EV mobility, EV battery, EV charging, Vehicle-to-Grid, AV mobility, gigafactory, and international power grid domains are up for acquisition at the "EV Domain Store". Important for China in creating the global ecosystem of electrification. "Land, Sea, Air, and Space".

Competition is a good thing. The "western" cars stopped innovating years ago, so it's quite normal that they now lobby for the government to make sure they have no competition. This won't help in the long run as they will have even less incentives to innovate. And for the average Joe this means paying more for inferior products.

Jesus, Roger in a shirt, don’t think I like this. Keep up the great work Rog!

ICE cars are going nowhere when the EV market crashes...

Roger, you speak more sense than 99% of the people in charge of this country. In the space of 25 years we've committed self suicide economically. We are nothing but an overleveraged welfare state that launders money now and i genuinely worry for the future of the uk. It really needs to make some tough hard decisions otherwise i'm not sure what the future is.

It will be a mix of hydrogen, battery and petroleum based vehicles

EVs create more tire abrasion and brake dust because they are heavier. That's not healthy, either.

@antontho

Ай бұрын

EV's use regenerative braking extensively so a lot of the braking force is applied and energy recaptured through systems that don't involve the brake pads (and brake dust).

@shortbits23

Ай бұрын

The weight of a 50kw EV is not much greater than that of an ICE car as weight of electric engine and drive system is far less than weight of ICE and gearbox.

@FabioCapela

Ай бұрын

@@shortbits23 The tire abrasion is somewhat true not because of weight, but because of acceleration. Instant acceleration and high torque at low speeds can put quite a workout on the tires when driving aggressively. But that would be true not just for EVs, but with any car with great acceleration. Incidentally, with increasing battery energy densities EVs should become lighter, and likely even lighter than internal combustion cars. As an example, the new battery BYD is going to start using this year will result in batteries roughly 20% lighter for the same capacity, or with 27% higher capacity for the same weight.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

You can't regard the fast acceleration of EV as a shortcoming. If you want your tires to last a long time, the simple way is to gently step on the accelerator pedal.

@shortbits23

Ай бұрын

@@amandagrant4331 or in my case for the MG ZS EV I use Eco mode, ideal for calm driving. Most EV's have an Eco setting.

If you want to save the environment buy a second hand small petrol car. Ev’s produce immense co2 before they’ve even hit the road. I’m still not convinced co2 is the danger it’s portrayed as given it’s only 0.04% of the atmosphere and most co2 is overwhelmingly produced through natural processes. I’m more concerned about plastic pollution in the oceans and crap from our sewers being pumped into the sea.

@Synysterjmz

2 ай бұрын

You could buy a second hand 5.0l V8 and still be doing more for the environment than these EV cultists.

@definitelynotkwacker

2 ай бұрын

Actually, buy a small second hand EV. But if you're buying a new car then buy an EV. Either way, buy an EV. Buying a second hand small petrol car means someone is going to replace it anyway and with what? It's increasingly likely they'll replace it with an EV. Doesn't matter how you cut it, ICE produces more CO2 and pollutants per mile than an EV. At some point the EV will overtake the ICE - even if it's a new EV vs an old ICE. FWIW, Rogers 60k miles is worse case - true if you live in Poland but not in the UK. Here it's somewhere between 20 & 30k. If you want to be truly green, leave the car at home (or better still don't buy one at all) and use public transport, bicycles or legs.

@Richardincancale

2 ай бұрын

Not convinced CO2 is a problem - contrary to the advice of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists! Thank you Professor Gdfggggg

@dodgerboe

2 ай бұрын

@@definitelynotkwackeryou've been sold a lie like the masses with a medical intervention 🤔... understand mind control and the Mockingbird keeping the useless eaters compliant and living never ending fear !

@gdfggggg

2 ай бұрын

@Richardincancale scientists to tend to give the opinion of whoever is paying them... The environment movement is powerful and has infiltrated our institutions. To argue the other point is neither wanted or fashionable. There are many scientists who argue the other point or atleast argue that the environmental lobby is alarmist and are exaggerating the effects.

The 2035 target is ridiculous. It is not a long enough runway to realistically make the change over from petro without penalizing the consumer. Hybrid vehicles are obviously the only logical first step as all electric has unreasonable limitations...particularly during winter months.

@definitelynotkwacker

2 ай бұрын

I've had an EV for years and not been penalised. Over the time I had it my last ICE car used £28k in fuel. For the same mileage my current car will use £2.5k. (Hopefully less once I get solar on my roof)g You can get a Corsa EV on a monthly for around the same as the ICE version - except you're potentially saving most of the money you'd spend on fuel which makes it cheaper per month. If you can charge at home then EV's are cheaper for most people (assuming you actually drive them). As for "unreasonable limitations" - only if you think the quoted range is what you'll get day in, day out. Nobody ever thinks they'll get the quoted MPG for their car why do they believe they will for an EV? For winter, just knock a quarter off your expected range and you won't be disappointed. If that number is too low, then buy a different car or hang on until a suitable car appears. Most people only drive a few tens of miles at a time anyway and for them even an old EV will do that.

@amandagrant4331

Ай бұрын

In the first quarter of 2024, the sales volume of plug-in hybrid vehicles in China was 784,000, up 81.2% year-on-year. But the problem is that even in the field of PHEV, there are no European manufacturers. European manufacturers are as stubborn about ICE as Kodak was about film.

After seeing countless EV fires in China and EVs being linked to fires around the globe.

Fair appraisal that. As said owner of a Chinese EV, I've got to say they are very good. Not for everyone and not for every use case scenario. But I think for 99% of folk they are fine. CATL is dropping prices of batteries by 60% this year. So I think in a years time, we will be in a very different position. I can certainly see an argument for hanging onto an ICE car for that bit longer and waiting for things to develop further.

The most stupid thing of it all is that if you restrict the engines to 1.6L (fast enough, like a formula 1 car) and covering distance to a minimal of 25km/1L of petrol for a personal car's which is achievable today it takes another 10 years before any electric car can outperform the petrol car. And nobody is talking about it. So which environment do we care so much about?

Because USA and EU were focusing on war, and invested in weapon development.

With all the mining of materials to produce batteries, why are electric cars still considered good?

@Richard482

Ай бұрын

You have to compare the negative effects of mining the materials for the battery and running the EV to the negative effects of mining the materials for the ICE car and the exploration, extraction, transportation and burning of the oil.

@eish3291

Ай бұрын

Do ice cars not require iron ore mining to manufacture steel . Once an electric car is manufactured it leaves a reduced pollution footprint on the planet, whereas a gas car starts it,s pollution journey the moment it,s on the road and gets worse as the engine wears out.