The whole thing is even madder when you consider 96% of Gibraltarians voted to remain on an 84% turnout.

@jamesmiller9363

Жыл бұрын

so did scotland even tho scotland voted overwhelmingly to keep the uk in the eu but english nationalism makes the rest ignored because its all about england

@darter9000

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmiller9363To be fair, Scotland held their referendum before the Brexit vote, little did they know that UK would play itself like that…

@seanonraet8327

Жыл бұрын

@@Steven-ly9ei give them time

@dotuix7064

Жыл бұрын

don't worry, GB will even unexist in next a few years.

@jamesmiller9363

Жыл бұрын

@@darter9000 I mean true but if it wasn't for lies and false promises and vows scotland would be free from Englands dictatorship

Once again the glorious Brexit is undermined by its worst enemies: basic knowledge and geography.

@cGhostsVisuals

Жыл бұрын

how does it feel to win the internet?

@ainzsama5101

Жыл бұрын

@@cGhostsVisuals better than to lose in reality

@AaaaandAction

Жыл бұрын

…. By its worst enemies? Are you referring to the MPs charged with carrying it thru

@WiredCountDuckula

Жыл бұрын

Carrying what through less money public services and unlimited asylum seekers,,does what it said on tin

@mr.afrikaans1747

Жыл бұрын

It’s never going to be cleaned up. It’ll remain a mess in perpetuity.

🇬🇧: I want a hard border and no freedom of movement 🇪🇸: okey, pasaporte por favor 🇬🇧: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@dylanmurphy9389

Жыл бұрын

Literally no brexit voter is complaining about passport checks, it’s what we wanted. The problem is, the Conservative party didn’t actually want brexit

@yourservice6868

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanmurphy9389 So why are British fishermen are complaining about customs regulations? Isn't it what they wanted?

@recoil53

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanmurphy9389 Yeah, never heard any complaints about the back up at the Chunnel or the added paper work to vacation in the EU. Plus the above mentioned loss of the fresh fish market - Brexit was somehow supposed to help the fisherman and they voted heavily to leave the common market.

@grantmcinnes1176

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanmurphy9389 Right! Who cares if the economy of Gibraltar is destroyed. Because fuck them, that's why. I ain't never been to Gibraltar anyway. 🙄

@rascha7869

6 ай бұрын

😄😄

It never ceases to amaze me how much mess Brexit has left to be cleaned up.

@davecameron8567

Жыл бұрын

England not Britain, stupid racist English voters wanted that shite

@michaeldelisieux

Жыл бұрын

Too much ado for NOTHING.

@clappedoutmotor

Жыл бұрын

When was the last time you heard the government even mention it? They are basically using the child's tactic of 'ignore it and maybe the problem will go away'.

@kaymish6178

Жыл бұрын

People are just too weak to suffer the consequences of the decision. There should have been a hard border between Ireland and Gibraltar. It would have sucked for everyone but that is probably the only way to reach a final agreement.

@alihorda

Жыл бұрын

Well they deserve it. Brainless decision, disastrous results

The problem is that any form of moving Gibraltar towards the EU, is seeing by the UK government as moving it towards Spain. But the thing is that there is no alternative. Spain is not going to allow the UK to have their cake and eat it. If the UK wants freedom of movement in Gibraltar, then it cannot become a free entry way into the EU by British people. And since Spain is the one sponsoring Gibraltar into Schengen, it is thus its responsability to check passports and the border. There is no way that a government has a responsability to do that, and then allows other government to do it themselves, especially when Gibraltar is famous for having been both a tax haven and a contraband haven for decades. I mean, the Spanish government unilaterally decided to extend healthcare for Gibraltarians for two extra years, as a sign of good will, and the UK did nothing to reciprocate that. The UK needs first to understand what they want, and then explain it to the rest of us, because they are always asking for contradictory things, like in the case of NI.

@nicks4934

Жыл бұрын

They dont know what they want. Never did. Brexit means brexit??

@raula.3693

Жыл бұрын

Lo que es, es, y lo que no es, no es. Los amigos británicos, al menos los tories, se saltaron a Parménides cuando estudiaron filosofía. Aunque lo suyo siempre ha sido negar lo evidente con suficiencia.

@noseboop4354

Жыл бұрын

The UK isn't asking to take responsibility for the passport checks, it is suggesting to give that role to a third party, Frontex (EU border agency).

@isidroramos1073

Жыл бұрын

@@noseboop4354 Do you understand that the UK is suggesting Spain to cede control of its own borders to Brussels? And to do so in order for Gibraltarians not having to see any Spaniards? I say, that's some fine diplomacy, old chap...

@Thurokiir1

Жыл бұрын

@@noseboop4354 Which is an incredible ask. Britain trying to dictate EU internal matters to the EU. What happened to respecting sovereign borders?

UK: Free movement is a red line. No free movement. Spain: Ok, we will check your passport then, UK: You checking the passport is a red line.

@taj-sid

Жыл бұрын

The logic is that Frontex checks all external EU borders. So the Spanish police being the ones checking would effectively mean or signify that Gibraltar is an internal territory belonging to Spain. The UK, of course, does not want that perception from Spaniards or Gibraltarians.

@RealConstructor

Жыл бұрын

@@taj-sidFrontex doesn’t check all external EU borders, that’s the task of the individual countries. The task of Frontex is to assist countries with border checks if these countries ask for their assistance.

@TileBitan

Жыл бұрын

@@taj-sid nice attempt at rationalizing brexiteer stupidity

@mardasman428

Жыл бұрын

@@RealConstructor Yes, the British seem to imagine the EU being a much more unified and centralized thing than they actually are :D

@garyt.8745

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's about the top and tail of it. British exceptionalism at its worst. it isnt "you checking passports" that is the red line, but "you checking *_our_* passports" that is their problem.

The British government is still dragging the negotiations out as long as possible? I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.

@tomsriver2838

Жыл бұрын

Flabbergasted to say the least.

@herbertwagner7781

Жыл бұрын

You could say the term drag queen takes on a whole new meaning

@raymondwebb4179

Жыл бұрын

Kicking the can down the road for the next goverment to sort ,

@garyt.8745

Жыл бұрын

Why shocked? Brexit is a disaster... making it even _more_ a disaster (assuming the Gammon's don't notice) should be avoided.

@dotuix7064

Жыл бұрын

don't worry, GB will even unexist in next a few years.

It feels bad to know that the place that voted overwhelmingly to remain is suffering from Brexit even more than the rest of the UK. Brexit really was the most unpatriotic choice.

@SofoklisFilo

Жыл бұрын

I agree. We should not have left, and the people who voted to leave were lied to, and given false information.

@jayneryan6395

Жыл бұрын

ha ha BS

@englishciderlover7347

Жыл бұрын

@@SofoklisFilo Both sides of the argument lied during the campaign.

@man4437

Жыл бұрын

British people clearly weren't fully educated on the implications. I have my own reasons for opposing the EU, but not understanding how important it is for a country like the UK, which, along with the rest of the big Western European countries, economically dominated the rest of Europe and funcitonally the world through it, shows to me people didn't understand their own prerogative.

@josephmabena276

Жыл бұрын

@@englishciderlover7347 one more than the other

As someone with grandparents who lived in Gibraltar for several years, the fact that it barely got a mention (along with so, so many other things) during the referendum campaign was infuriating. However much people thought Brexit would affect their lives, it was always going to throw Gibraltarians under the bus to a far greater extent - and yet nobody seemed to think of that when they were making their decision.

@TheRyu981

Жыл бұрын

I also have Gibraltarian Grandparents and feel the same!

@foryou6888

Жыл бұрын

60+ Million people in mainland UK vs around 30k population of Gibraltar is the answer your looking for I think

@hovefactually7505

Жыл бұрын

Much like no one gave Northern Ireland any thought.

@duncansmith7562

Жыл бұрын

yeah, when your neighborhood has been taken over with Rumanian drug gangs and Bulgarian mafia bosses, strange your first thought doesn't go to Gibraltar

@sueyourself5413

Жыл бұрын

They don't care about Scotland, what makes you think that they can even point to Gibraltar on a map? There's just not a lot of people that live in that corrupt tax haven.

I'm in Australia, no horse in this race, but if Spain is responsible for the people coming in through Gibraltar, they should do the checks, either at the port/airport or at the border - it's just logical. The UK just needs to pick one of those two options.

@isidroramos1073

Жыл бұрын

And herein lies the rub: 'The UK just needs to pick one of those two options' is something UK governments are fighting against since the day of the referendum

@anttikalpio4577

Жыл бұрын

Same with Northern Ireland. EU wants to have secure borders everywhere. UK just needs to decide where they want to set the border. UK wanted out but didn’t consider the fact that once you’re out, there will be borders

@blechtic

Жыл бұрын

Brexit and logic don't mix.

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

are new zealand responsible for people entering into australia? i didn't think so.

@theelite2850

Жыл бұрын

The UK government have their hands tied, it is not up to them what happens in our country it is up to the government of Gibraltar which is recognised as the legitimate voice of Gibraltar by the UK since 2006. The UK is down as the party negotiating the agreement as the Spanish do not recognise our government. Spanish boots on the ground here is very politically sensitive especially when you realise those in their 50s/60's spent most of their youth behind a border closed by Franco many separated from family members who lived on the other side of that border. People in the UK should really forget about including Gibraltar in their Brexit argument and should definitely not draw their own conclusions regarding the vote which may I remind you was for the UK to stay in Europe and the option of Gibraltar being part of Europe which involved any form of rule from Madrid would be firmly rejected

At some point, someone in the UK political system, may need to acknowledge Brexit was a stupid idea, until that time we remain in La La Land with fingers in ears...

Literally stuck between a rock and a hard place.

@namakemono5155

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant!

@Suwawako

Жыл бұрын

Ayo you got a point

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

@@namakemono5155 or stuck between an e,,and U...

@kaysmith8992

Жыл бұрын

This should be top comment 😂

You have to add Croatia in your Schengen maps 😉😁

@janhanchenmichelsen2627

Жыл бұрын

And Slovenia, Malta.

@AkyraNN

Жыл бұрын

Welcome, from Portugal!

@matpk

Жыл бұрын

TLDR is run by primary school children

@kevink7529

Жыл бұрын

Welcome from Germany

@nacicomi

Жыл бұрын

@@janhanchenmichelsen2627 Slovenia is included in the map at 3:22. You can see by the triangle shape of Croatias northern border. It is a very abstract map so both interpretations are equaly likely to be correct.

I'm glad that the years and years of negotiations got everything sorted out before BREXIT came in to effect; well done, Boris. 🤪

@andrewfrancis3591

Жыл бұрын

The alarm bells started ringing, when the idiot said that better trade deals were simple. Average ones 10 years.

@aye3678

Жыл бұрын

12 years of Tory rule.

@davidmcculloch8490

Жыл бұрын

And Buffoon was sloppy and operationally stupid enough to leave during a pandemic.

@andrewfrancis3591

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmcculloch8490 Stupid to leave at all, then try to join the CPTPP. Which is a laughable attempt to copy the EU, the other side of the globe.

@mikelizard3730

Жыл бұрын

We skipping Theresa May's failed brexit deals? How much time did she waste with those?

As unbelievable as it sounds, it's almost as if Boris's oven ready deal wasn't oven ready at all!

@andressanchezcasado4433

Жыл бұрын

Oven ready deal must be reheated

@recoil53

Жыл бұрын

Who would have thought that the perpetually unprepared con man who only points fingers never got anything done? Shocking, just shocking.

Well, that's intriguing. I had not thought about the health care issue. And that request for Frontex is just ridiculous. Spain has to be the one enforcing Spanish immigration rules. The EU is not going to start changing our laws so that Brexiteers can keep their egos boosted without a Viagra prescription.

Being a European and UK resident at the referendum vote, I was always telling my counterpart advocating for Brexit, that using words like "sovereignty" or "independence day" is dangerous and could open the "Pandora's box" and could be a sword with two edges; they didn't listen.

Smuggling and tax avoidance are Gibraltar's main industries, so there's that too.

@Limpet-

Жыл бұрын

Yes Ofcourse …. You must have read that in the Sun ,it must be true !!! ONLY ….. Ceuta which is a Spanish Enclave 9 miles across the Straits on African Soil , has lower Taxes and Tabacco is cheaper , but hey ….. all the smuggling must be done on our half a mile of beach’s we have over looking a rock which is a military fortress . Narcos are clever buggers aren’t they 🤔

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

Жыл бұрын

Gibraltar - Where five Russian Billionaires apparently live in a garage together.

@piedrablanca1942

Жыл бұрын

the anglo pirates as always

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget how much they pollute due to completely ignoring any regulation for boat repair. And I mean of both EU and UK. The reason their naval industry even exists is due to their "crown territory" status allowing them to ignore that. To note how bad this is for Spain. La Linea is THE municipality with the highest environmental taxes in the country, by a very wide margin, because, being Gibraltar's border, they have to clean that up. Yeah they're really not happy about Gibraltar, at all. Also note that the transit of boats in clearly illegal state to gibraltar from UK is the reason both Spain and Portugal have had multiple environmental disasters on their waters, most notably the Prestige. So the Galicians are also not happy.

@zorrozorro9681

Жыл бұрын

passport controls is the excuse !! is all about that they want to keep the TAX HEAVEN status !! and Spain is totally aware of the dodgy business and MONEY LAUNDRY that goes on over there, so is not about passport control !! is about DODGY FINANCIAL SERVICES and MONEY LAUNDRY !!

Great that you point to the healthcare issue because it's very well known that many senior British citizens will travel to Spain to get free medical treatment that wouldn't be available for them in the UK.

@Lickalotamot

Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@RansomMoney58

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t the UK have universal healthcare though?

@User-qf2ex

Жыл бұрын

The NHS is a farce

@MichaelGGarry

Жыл бұрын

@@RansomMoney58 Yes. He probably means avoiding queues for non-essential treatment?

@GorgeDawes

Жыл бұрын

That’s not the case any more since Brexit. The removal of the right to healthcare in Spain has lead to huge numbers of retired Brits who lived in Spain having to move back to the UK, thereby putting even greater demand on the NHS. Prior to Brexit they were entitled to healthcare in Spain which the UK then paid for. Spanish healthcare is generally of at least equal quality as that available in the UK but costs less, so pre-Brexit this actually saved the UK money.

I stopped off in Gib for a day off a cruise and took a tour in a tiny minibus. An interesting part of the tour was the tour driver chastising the local government and the UK for being daft over Brexit.

@Limpet-

Жыл бұрын

Taxi driver wasn’t wrong was …. As you can clearly read from the comments above

It's pretty amusing how the solutions to the obvious problems that everyone could predict before the referendum (Northern Ireland and Gibraltar) was basically "ok those territories stay in the EU because hard brexit is actually extremely dumb"

@taj-sid

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, leaving the Single market and, to certain extent, the customs union was a catastrophic mistake.

@garyt.8745

Жыл бұрын

@@taj-sid Leaving the EU _was_ and still _is_ a catastrophic mistake.

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

@@garyt.8745 why explain .how being in anything ,,, that should you wish to leave you are treated in a way that countries who left the ussr were not ,now take a look at the ukrain should they just rejoin russia, no//the e,,u ,says no..so why the hypocrites getting away with doing so to the uk,,,and you let them..phhh.

@ab-ym3bf

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenisom6089 bit of an incoherent, rambling post. No idea what the USSR has to do with all this. It is all very simple: you leave the EU and its institutions, you become a 3rd country. All 3rd countries are treated the same way, improvements can be made via fta´s. The UK chose to become such a 3rd country, with an fta as minimal as possible, all by its own choice, and now gets treated that way. Nothing hypocritical about it. You seem not to understand that your choices have consequences, well known in advance, and now start whining about the position you find yourself in.

@JoshuaHill182

Жыл бұрын

@@ab-ym3bf Oh us brits understand there are massive consequenses, but the french and british have always had a long tradition of the poor fighting for their own power. If you tell a people they have very little power or control over their governing, theyre going to eventually fight back. Even if it means a huge financial cost. Ngl, as a fairly poor person, i havent really felt the effects of brexit other than the fact that holidays to europe are no longer the easy, straight forward option. So now i dont automatically go to italy every year for my vacation

I remember that there were some talks between Spain amd Britain for Gibraltar joining the Schengen area, but I think it is quite unlikely for it to happen

@tomclower8140

Жыл бұрын

That can't happen as then it would be an easy way into the EU passport control free...

@mikapeltokorpi7671

Жыл бұрын

Spain has veto on anything about Gibraltar.

@bluejeans5125

Жыл бұрын

@@mikapeltokorpi7671 Thanks God!!!

@stephanweinberger

Жыл бұрын

@@tomclower8140 Not if there were proper border controls between Gibraltar and the UK (ie. at the new outer Schengen border). Which would be quite simple, as the border control facilities at the respective airports already exist. Flights between the UK and Gibraltar just would have to be treated as international flights, just like they are treated between any other EU airport and the UK.

@tomclower8140

Жыл бұрын

@@stephanweinberger that would be infringing on the free movement of citizens between it's own sovereign territory. So that's also not an option... It's all a big mess in all honesty. Glad it's not me that has to try and sort it out. 😂

When BoJo said "we've taken back control" he was actually referencing a BDSM session he'd attended not Brexit.

@blechtic

Жыл бұрын

He must've heard it from his ex-KGB friend.

Brexit persistently continues to infuriate me… I’m so tired of hearing about the obvious and easily foreseeable repercussions playing out.

@danielwebb8402

Жыл бұрын

So information available at the time of the vote. Assume others knew that just as well as you. Just had different personal preferences / weights to the many pros and many cons. And decided to vote leave.

@50jakecs

Жыл бұрын

@@danielwebb8402 But why did they vote to leave? Was it based on reality or just feelings and some pithy slogans from the Boris Johnsons in the UK?

@danielwebb8402

Жыл бұрын

@50jakecs Political, social and cultural reasons are just as factual as economic ones. If a Dutch petson wanted to move to the uk to live and work, the uk could not stop them. That was a factual position. If 100% of UK people vote X but Spain and Poland vote Y, Y happened. In the UK. Is a factual position on some issues. UK taxes were subsidising Portugese village halls is a fact. UK had a material net contribution. So slogan "Control of money, laws and borders" were all 3 based on facts. The implicitly remain slogan of "Yeah. We know its s**t. But GDP growth likely to be a few percent lower if we vote leave in aggregate over the next decade." That wasn't a fact. Was an estimate / projection. Leaving is a risk was a fact. People very much knew leaving was a risk. A material chunk of "the 48%" were "I don't like the EU, but it's too risky to change". 48% was not "I love the EU. It's awesome"

@AlexNights

Жыл бұрын

@@danielwebb8402 I'm Portuguese, what the F... are you talking about? Were the F is UK subsidizing villages in Portugal? You are completely mental.

@danielwebb8402

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexNights Er UK was net contributor. Portugal is net recipient. Did you not know those 2 facts? And you are Portugese? That many "community" assets are EU supported. Even in the UK many community assets like village halls, youth clubs were partially funded by the EU i.e. net contributor countries' taxpayers. Did you not know that? But I am mental. For knowing the very basics of which countries are net contributors or not.

the Gibraltar airport is in Spanish territory. The border of the original treaty was not respected and UK take advantage of the weakness of Spain during the Spanish civil war seizing more territory and violating the original teatry. What about that. Part of Gibraltar is spanish territory seized by Churchill. Also the original treaty specifies very clearly that the waters around Gibraltar are all Spanish and this has not been respected either, and UK claims that the waters are theirs, when it is very clearly wrote in the original Utrech treaty. For starting UK could respect what they signed.

Sometimes the “oven ready” deal is still frozen in the middle when you serve it

@blackbaron0

Жыл бұрын

Well Boris certainly cooked his goose.

I live in Gibraltar and I'm getting fed up with not knowing what's happening with regards to the Brexit deal regarding Gibraltar. I understand the complexity, but I'd like to know soonish, whatever the outcome.

@Justin-jh4ym

Жыл бұрын

England is too busy sorting out the collapse of the NHS, inflation and cost of living crisis.

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

Well, get ready for the worst, because that's what is likely to go down. My recommendation would be to look into dual citizenship, it ain't hard for you Gibraltareños, and you might just need it if Vox gets in power. 'Cause your press tries to act as if Sanchez has been a hardliner, but he's been actively helping you so far. The right wingers won't be nearly as nice. And taking into account last autonomics us Gaditanos wound up voting overwhelmingly right wing for the first time since I'm alive, well... Shit's going down the wrong end. For the record I am a leftie myself. And while I have MANY issues with your government I do feel bad for the population, if having bad leaders was reason to hate someone us spaniards would need to self flagelate daily. But I have seen what people say. Hell La Linea even discussed becoming an autonomic city to force a hard border and try to blackmail you with it. Heated would be the nicer way to describe how things are at this side of the border when it comes to this topic.

@ant647448336

Жыл бұрын

@@thespanishinquisition4078 oh don't worry, I am. If shit hits the fan I'm leaving Gibraltar, without even a second thought. I won't even go to the UK as I hate it there. The UK is a shit show and if the military bases weren't here, we would be dropped like a hot potato. Gibraltarians don't hate the Spanish, they hate the government. Fortunately I have grandparents from an EU country - but I'm not a Gibraltarian descendant. With regards to the press, it's all political posturing and geared towards their readers. I am a centrist with hard-line views left or right depending on the circumstances. I just wish the actual truth came out and politicians stopped trying too cover their arses.

HI team! Commenting from Gibraltar, nice to have someone remember us 😭

@blazinglazer7109

Жыл бұрын

@@DeReAntiqua Never, trust me

@LordDim1

Жыл бұрын

@@DeReAntiqua Absolutely never going to happen

@blazinglazer7109

Жыл бұрын

@@DeReAntiqua You clearly do not know much about Gib do you.

@blazinglazer7109

Жыл бұрын

@@DeReAntiqua And? Like i care who else cares. Who said i was whining anyways lol Your the one that suddenly* had the urge to reply just because we "corrected" you. Next time just don't comment, its not like we were attacking you 🤷‍♂

@blechtic

Жыл бұрын

So, what's your take on the whole thing?

You mean the EU aren't giving us all that we wanted? But Nigel Farage said we hold all the cards! (For clarity, I'm being sarcastic.)

@recoil53

Жыл бұрын

AND the UK is a sovereign nation! They must give everything demanded! Seriously, the ridiculousness of the Brexit arguments and Johnson's fumbling explanations for not getting favorable treaties - or the need for any treaties - should have pointed out how this was never going to work well.

@jorgebarriosmur

Жыл бұрын

As a EU citizen, I want to apologize on behalf of the 26 countrys of the EU, for not accepting all your demands without hesitation. Please, forgive us (also sarcastic 😃)

I crossed that border on foot twice in one day almost 10 years ago. I was not prepared for the act of having to run across the airport runway in between landings! ✈️ 😱 🏃🏻 🇬🇧 🇪🇸 🇬🇮

@sylviaelse5086

Жыл бұрын

And when I landed at the airport in the 1980s, I was definitely unprepared for the sight of people and vehicles crossing the runway we'd just landed on.

The video showed June 2021 but the audio said June 2022. Mispronouncing names is tolerable, but yall really need to be more careful about mistakes with dates, there's no way to know which is right and which is wrong.

@pianolove5690

Жыл бұрын

The timestamp is around 5:00

@EbonySaints

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, these mistakes happen in almost every video they make. I really wish that they would take the time to double check. 😕

@selanryn5849

Жыл бұрын

Context makes it clear which one is correct.

@trantorvega

Жыл бұрын

@@EbonySaints Yep, they also get logos and symbols wrong to a significant degree... The degree of negligence is frankly detrimental to otherwise good contents.

@blechtic

Жыл бұрын

It's too long, so they didn't review it.

No mention of voting results in Gibraltar for Brexit. Or current mood within Gibraltar whether the residents are pro Spanish or British control etc. This video could have been spruced up a bit with some explanations of the local populations sentiment.

@IanDarley

Жыл бұрын

Ooh no, that wouldn't push the agenda. -Greater Germany- The EU blames everything on Britain because we abandoned their expansion programme.

@gibraltarik

Жыл бұрын

Gibraltar sentiments on the issue are so clear that they need not reminding. 96% result for remain (2016 referendum), 99% result for "no" to joint sovereignty with Spain (2002 referendum) and a further 99% "no" for Spanish sovereignty (1967 referendum). Should a referendum be held on a potential deal which sees Spanish boots on British Gibraltarian ground, I'll let you guess what the result would be! 😂

@oommcc

Жыл бұрын

@@gibraltarik Of course, votes bought by tax exeptions. Corrupted votes. Gibraltar border should be treated exactly the same as UK border. Either everyone can move freely or nobody can.

@Almirante1741

Жыл бұрын

@@gibraltarik Sadly, you the brits expelled all the spanish inhabitants of Gibraltar and replaced them with british colonists, so obviously you will get a 96% result for remaining. The frontier should be completely cut off, and you should face the cost of holding the colony while benefiting massively of illegal smuggling

@universalspaceexpeditioner8259

Жыл бұрын

@@gibraltarik What the result would be? Because it's not only Spain mate. If UK gets aggressive over Gibraltar next day Cyprus gets back it's bases Akrotiri and Dhekeleia, Argentina gets Falklands, Spain gets Gibraltar, India gets the Indian islands occupied by the British and the EU sanctions UK for aggressive imperialism. By next winter you will fall into civil war.

How is this literally the first time I’ve heard ANYONE mention Gibraltar in regard to Brexit? tbf, I’m American (and it slipped my mind as well), but I feel like I’ve consumed enough news and analysis of the topic that I should have heard someone even mention this.

As a Spaniard I can tell you that people on this country doesn't love the fact that the British Navy has any control over the straight stripping away Spain from some of its international leverage, controlling this strategic part is very significant. Don't expect any help from us to get out of this mess, door will always close from our side.

@jal051

Жыл бұрын

Not true. We are actually being helpful and providing options to keep the door open. If the roles were reversed the British would tell the Gibraltareños to fuck off and not give them any health coverage. That has been their attitude during all this proccess.

@2639263926392639

Жыл бұрын

H'Ola. The Spanish bastards huh??? We, the ill informed, xenophobic British who tolerate terrible greedy political shamans deserve no help from the remaining member states. Who would trust a country so short sighted that also reneges on its commitment to international law? I have numerous friends over most of the remaing members they all express the same disbelief we could cause so much self harm. The biggest benefit to Brexit is it might arrest the rise of right wing populist extremism when its seen just how much continued damage Tory lies and one third of the electorate have managed to do. If the vote to remain in the EU is so high in Gib, perhaps the solution is independence, from both Spain and UK. Since it's likely Ireland will unite as a direct consequence, and the SNPs popularity is strengthening.... might as well make the losses a hat trick. A resounding well done to the Conservative and Union party of Great Britain huh.

@Nahasapasa

Жыл бұрын

Spain has it's own Gibraltars in Morocco so...

@MichaelGGarry

Жыл бұрын

Then maybe you (Spain) should not have literally SOLD Gibraltar MULTIPLE TIMES through your history? Spain has zero claim to that territory. See also: Argentina and the Falkland Islands. Also Morocco would like a word or two.....

@Schyz

Жыл бұрын

@@Nahasapasa Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish cities before Morocco existed as a country. Are you also going to claim the Canary Islands for Morocco?

Headline: “People warned not to put hands in fire in ‘burnt hand’ shocker!”

95% of voters in Gibraltar voted remain.

@I_am_somebody_1234

Жыл бұрын

England has most of the population so she alone decides, welcome to democracy

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

no point remoaners only listen to each other .

I remember reading that "Gibraltar joined Schengen" but unfortunately it's not that simple. Only Spanish nationals with a DNI or Gibraltar nationals with Gibraltar ID cards get the passport check waiver. Everyone else still has to show their passports. I learned that the hard way when I took a trip down to La Linea de la Concepción and I got turned away at the Gibraltar border because I didn't have my passport . But I at least had a nice time in La Linea and got to see the nice view of the rock.

@ant647448336

Жыл бұрын

Now anyone who doesn't have an EU ID or UK passport with Gibraltar permanent residency card (Red ID known in Gibraltar) has their passport stamped. I live in Gibraltar and I'm getting fed up of the uncertainty.

@jal051

Жыл бұрын

Well, that would be freedom of movement and the tories don't like that.

@Limpet-

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget to add the discrimination…. For some residents not being allowed to transit to Spain ….. cause Spain kicks up a Fuss !

@jal051

Жыл бұрын

@@Limpet- Go tell Westmister. It's them who want it this way.

@_extrathicc

Жыл бұрын

@@Limpet- So Britain can have sovereignity and control over who can enter its territory but Spain is not allowed to?

3:23 - A nitpick: as of Jan 1st '23 (a week ago), Schengen are gained another member: Croatia.

Well, listen.. they can always join Spain and be the 20th autonomus comunity. Part of the EU again, they could even keep their language and affaris, as many other spanish communities do. The only difference would be that their taxes would go to Madrid instead of London.

@fedyx1544

Жыл бұрын

Very nice, just a small issue: racism.

@sk00p

Жыл бұрын

Erm no, I'd happily see the British navy involved if that happens.

@TheRyu981

Жыл бұрын

The people of Gibraltar are strongly against joining Spain-check the previous polls.

@myrddinemrys1332

Жыл бұрын

@@sk00p I'd go further. I'd be happy to see us recognise Catalan independence.

@samssalman

Жыл бұрын

What an ignorant comment. So, you might want to look into average wage comparaison, criminality comparaison, diversity and ask some members of the Jewish community who live in Gibraltar before making stupid comments

I wish that we return to the EU in the future. I voted against Brexit. I hope Labour will try to at least improve our relationship with the EU. The whole situation is so stupid and ridiculous.

@vulcanmemes9770

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but we're good. Maybe you can try again in a decade or two to save yourself the embarrassment, no offense. A good chunk of your population was pretty appealed, that people suggested a Swiss like relationship so that makes things, alot more difficult.

@peterderycke5766

Жыл бұрын

We carry no fond memories of your membership. So don't bother.

@sk00p

Жыл бұрын

As A leave voter I'd be outraged if Brexit was reversed.

@georgem2509

Жыл бұрын

@@vulcanmemes9770 Lol. Our country is collapsing but he says that is good. We didn't make any new good agreements our economy is stuck. And not even talk about our politics. So, are we 'good', or it is just you are good?

@moritamikamikara3879

Жыл бұрын

I know a lot of people want it but, we can't just go back. Obviously the leave did not go well but that doesn't just invalidate all the reasons that people wanted to leave. It only invalidates some of them.

Nice and informative video. let's always focus on how to earn, because with the current recession and financial crieses world wide, i think getting just a job only isn't the best soluution to attaining financial freedom that's the more reason one should save and invest wisely .

@AndreiiJikhh_

Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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@youtuberob

Жыл бұрын

This is the most advanced bot chain message ive ever seen

Blame the Directors of the daily mail. they wanted it

@ohgosh5892

Жыл бұрын

And the owners, who live in France, eh, Rothermere!

Guys, your shengen map at 3:19 is missing Croatia, It's already been a week since it joined.

Thanks for well done report. One objection. Croatia is already in Schengen system, your map was pre-2023.

Thank you for this. I have been wanting an update/explanation since reading a snippet on this subject in Reuters.

When the ‘divorce agreement’ was being hammered out, Spain would not sign/approve/endorse the agreement. Eventually they did, but now nothing ‘moves’ in Gibraltar without Spain having something say about it. Gibraltar is also a money laundering facility, so that would have influence on things from the Brit side.

Ah, the oven ready deal - isn't it glorious?

Given that Gibraltar was conquered by a combined British/Dutch fleet in the Spanish Succession war, it may be a good idea to transfer Gibraltar to the Netherlands now. Also the Treaty of Utrecht was concluded in the Netherlands.

@RobitGalaxy

Жыл бұрын

Following that logic The Netherlands should be Spanish because it was ours.

@jeanpierreviergever1417

Жыл бұрын

@@RobitGalaxy hahaha, we fought 80 years against Spain to get our independence. Gibraltar hasn’t started fighting yet.

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

Жыл бұрын

@@RobitGalaxy If we're restoring old Spanish Territories, we'd better notify South and Central America.

@giantorres3352

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer And half of the United States

@Kgonros77

Жыл бұрын

Gibraltar was taken by an Anglo/Dutch fleet on behalf of the Spanish claimant to the throne, Archduke Charles. At no time was that place taken in the name of the King of England or of the United Provinces of the Netherlands. But hey, we are talking about 18th century issues, and territories that current Spaniards care very little about, generally. Would be a funny alt History the one that you suggest, though😆

Sadly, this made me laugh. The UK is a case study on how "conservative" governments choose to support the rich at the cost of everyone lower on the social ladder.

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

The Gibraltar issue might not even fit there, its just tories being bloody idiots. Gibraltar has... very lax tax and border laws. Fuck it, it's a den of smugglers and tax haven. Furthermore its status as crown territory allows them to completely ignore environmental regulations both of UK and EU. This is why amongst other things they dump raw sewage into the sea, and let UK boats in for repairs in a state that wouldn't allow them to dock anywhere else in UK. Point is those facts allow UK rich men to make a LOT of money by having much cheaper boat repairs (at the expense of Spanish environment), paying no taxes, and smuggling whatever they want. So they just shot themselves here.

"To take back control", what does this even mean in such a complex reality like ours? Too many factors influence policies, from the markets to the banks, how can we trust politicians who made people think that this is possible?

I think the Tories are kicking the can down the road and leaving all the mess for Labour to fix, and when Labour start trying to mend bridges with the EU the Tories will use that against them to trigger all the simpletons again

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

gibraltar isn't a partisan issue in the uk. successive governments have supported the government of gibraltar to guide them on issues to do with gibraltar. that's democracy.

@michaelcoward1902

Жыл бұрын

@@karLcx 95% of Gibraltar voted to remain, and were dragged out of the EU by their ankles anyway...Sounds like their guidance is being taken VERY seriously...lol.

one detail, you should update the schengen map and include croatia

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

and..

3:18 you guys forgot to add Croatia to the Schengen Area, it’s only been in the zone for about a week tho so it makes sense

@carlosfilipecodinha

Жыл бұрын

Thought they were and it was just the Euro as common coin on the 1st Jan.

Love the eyes when he says ticking clock. 😂

Next time add Croatia to the map of Schengen area!

@marinusvos

Жыл бұрын

And update the Euro-zone map as well!

Loving this oven ready deal, it just keeps on giving :)

@matthewparker9276

Жыл бұрын

It's called oven ready because it's half baked.

@usarkarzts4207

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewparker9276 good one.

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

well the french and germans or the real eu,, they decided how big the turkey was what heat to put it on when we could have it and when we could eat it but we could have no plates or table ,and only use a spoon,,there that answer your britain bashing question,

@firefang225

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenisom6089 the real issue was Johnson and May making no efforts to prepare a number of potential outcomes to Brexit, they just tried to bumble their way through assuming the EU would agree to their every demand (which they understandably didn't, as it wouldn't benefit them). It's hardly "Britain bashing" to expect our leaders to put some real thought and effort into getting the best deals for our country, and not the complete lazy incompetence we got instead where they assumed the EU would just cave in to every demand they made

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

@@firefang225 no the french and germans being vindictive and handing out their way or no way ,.....any way its all irrelevant as labour have just announced they are never going back in and sir queer stammer has the backing of all his turn coat mps so its done we are staying right out..

UK = England decides, everyone else does what they're told

@billcipherproductions1789

Жыл бұрын

England’s pop is 55 million out the total 68 million. Go figure.

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

the E equals U told us what to do not now .

3:26 the map shown of the schengen area does not account for Croatia which recently joined, at the start of 2023

This one isn't showing in nebula either. I tried searching the video title since last time it wasn't in my play list it turned out it was actually in nebula & just didn't show up for me until I searched it

As a Spaniard I understand that Gibraltarians want to remain British. It is also true that if Gibraltar were in Switzerland they would now be a canton, the Swiss Franc has much more appeal than the Union Jack. The economic future of Gibraltar passes through Spain, those Gibraltars must understand that you cannot have everything, in that they behave like supporters of Brexit. Gibraltar will have to admit EU officials and police at its borders, port and airport and harmonize its tax policy. Spain is interested in a prosperous Gibraltar that serves to grow the economy of the province of Cádiz, which is the poorest area in Spain. Gibraltar's political future will be decided when there are no economic differences between one side of the fence and the other

I didn't want to leave the EU. My Dad was in the forces, we moved A LOT. I was born in Germany, we lived in several places out there and as I've grown up, I've travelled a lot. I thought borders were a thing of the past. Having visited Gibraltar at least once a year for the last 10 years (excluding during COVID) and I have to say, entering and leaving is now an absolute nightmare. We often park up on the Spanish side and walk in but recently took our camper van onto Gib to get cheap fuel. The queue of traffic going in was absolutely terrible and took us 40 minutes - which I know is actually relatively quick. Previously, the only delays were if the Spanish decided to throw a wobbly or the main road in was closed due to a plane landing/taking off. Now you queue to stamp out of Spain, then you have to stamp back into Spain when you leave. I hate it.

@fitzstv8506

Жыл бұрын

Borders are still a thing of the past throughout most of Europe it is such a pity the brexit cult put a spanner in the works for British people.

@kolerick

Жыл бұрын

yep... but grandpa in Cheshire who was sick of having Romanians picking up the vegetables in the fields and a Pole nurse coming to help him at home, now has his "sovereignty" back... and is getting help only one day a month instead of every other days while the vegetables are rotting in the fields... (caricaturing with the workers/helpers origins, but you get the point...)

I recently became a Spanish citizen, and I think I will be voting for Vox, despite me being a Democrat here in the USA. Gibraltar is like someone gets into your house moves into a bedroom without your consent and at gun point, and then, the intruder demands electricity, water and to be allowed to use the bathroom, kitchen and driveway to be able to get into the bedroom they invaded inside your home, but they spit on your face inside your own house every time they see you. Gibraltar is like that bedroom in your home taken by an intruder; it is Spanish territory that was taken by force. Gibraltar's legitimacy is the same that should be given to a car thief trying to get a title for the car he just stole, NONE! SHUT THE GATE!

@Limpet-

Ай бұрын

Did you tell trump you gave up your American citizenship? He’d call you a Mexican now … I m sure

@jay23cr

Ай бұрын

@@Limpet- Sadly for you, I did not have to give up my US citizenship when I gained my Spanish nationality thru my grandmother. Tears?

Facts. No opinion. No "the good and the bad" game. Very good report. Thanks.

Gibraltar Still Hasn't Got Brexit Done.... neither has the UK.

During the lead-up to the Referendum, (in the days when I listened to R4), I never heard either Ireland or Gib. mentioned.

@MartinPoulter

Жыл бұрын

I wasn't listening to Radio 4, but other media, and NI and Gibraltar were mentioned as big problems for Brexit. Before, during, and even after the referendum, the Brexiters haven't said what their solutions are, just that we need to find solutions.

@TravelWithMeGadget

Жыл бұрын

Those were the days... Radio 4... I do still put it on every 6 months or so, then give up after 5 minutes of boring irrelevance and go back to something like TLDR news

The video didn’t mention Gibraltar’s unwillingness to be open to more financial and environmental scrutiny which was one of the 3 key parts of the deal. The world of finance and money is a murky one, and currently they dump untreated sewage straight into the sea, not cool. Equally you can see why Gib doesn’t want Spain in control of who’s coming in and out as they already make life difficult as it is. Cheers Boris/Nigel.

@isidroramos1073

Жыл бұрын

It's not Spain making things difficult, it's once again a consequence of Brexit. Entering Spain gives access to all of Europe/Schengen, we have to control our borders and that's that.

@ManilvaRS

Жыл бұрын

@@isidroramos1073 Spain already made passing through the border difficult. This hasnt changed since brexit, because it always been a problem. Sometimes you can queue for an hour or more to get in or out, when EU funds were used to redesign the Spanish side of the frontera, with 3 lanes to enter, as soon as the work was finished they purposefully closed 2 of them so it was back to the single lane entrance, and its the same story on the way out. Also the passport control areas where millions were spent on machines and E-Gates, none of them are on and there's just 1 or 2 policia nacional checking passports/DNIs.

@PrincipeMaquiavelo

Жыл бұрын

@@ManilvaRS Easy .. Stay on the rock

@Limpet-

Жыл бұрын

@@PrincipeMaquiavelo ever heard of Freedom Of Movement ? Or do you still live in the 1800s ?

@PrincipeMaquiavelo

Жыл бұрын

@@Limpet- Dear friend, your answer oozes ignorance or hypocrisy. No, I am not British and I have not voted against freedom of movement. Such is the case of the British and their democratic way of rejecting that freedom of movement and for which they are now the third country in the EU thanks to Brexit. and for which they get third country treatment... That's what you vote for, that's what you have. But as the U.K. It is anchored in the 19th century with its imperial and exceptionalist complexes.

Great video!

3:23 that's an old graphic surely, since Croatia is in the Schengen Area.

Massive shocker the Brexiteers didn't give a toss about anyone but their precious votes and attention

hmm its almost like this whole brexit thing was 100% a bad idea with literally zero upside when you consider how much damage it's caused

That random ball sack that rolled across the screen at 04:10 really threw me off 😂

@waycoolscootaloo

Жыл бұрын

LOL! So true! 😅

FYI it's mostly Spaniards who come to Gibraltar to work, not vica-versa. There is little employment to be found in Spain

I wish you guys would just do a quick check on the video to make sure there was no editorial mistakes. 5:00 do you mean 2022 or do you actually mean 2021?

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

2022.

Doesn’t Spain pieces of land it has on Moroccan soil? (Head scratcher)

@lordkfc1297

Жыл бұрын

Yes we have to autonomous cities in Africa that have the same status as other autonomous communities like Madrid or Asturias, with due representation on the parliament and senate. Gibraltar doesn't hold the same status as this 2 cities thus comparing them is a false equivalence

@breadbreaker500

Жыл бұрын

@@lordkfc1297 governance approach is semantics to me as I’m sure that wasn’t the case all those centuries ago. The point is, these autonomous communities as you put it have land borders with Morocco, who have put a claim. Whether it’s controlled centrally, is autonomous or is an overseas territory isn’t the point here. The point is, Spain are claiming land next to their own border, and Morocco is doing the same too. Just highlighting the irony, that’s all!

@lordkfc1297

Жыл бұрын

@@breadbreaker500 the point is that those cities have the same representation as any other privince in Spain while Gibraltar does not. And Morocco as a country has existed for less than a 100 years, far less than the time both Ceuta and Melilla have been Castillian and then Spanish.

@madgringo9263

Жыл бұрын

And olde little England has Guersey and Jersey in France But Gibraltar is the issiu here

@madgringo9263

Жыл бұрын

No Spain DOESN'T....Spain handed back to Morroco it's Protectorate back in 1956

Spaniards sneakily getting closer and closer to Gibraltar to retake it, taking advantage of the mess...

your map is wrong. Croatia is now also in Schengen

i thought they forgotten Gibraltar

@parametr

Жыл бұрын

tbh, I never heard a single mention of Gibraltar nor North Ireland during the campaings for the referendum. The English colonialist mindset is still strong... Animo amigo. No se acuerdan de vosotros, asi que no te preocupes que seguires igual que hasta ahora (para bien o para mal)

@hortehighwind8651

Жыл бұрын

They basically did.

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

sorry but yes they did,

@darken2417

Жыл бұрын

No one cares about Gibraltar or the insignificant little colonies. Britain can and will do whatever it wants. North Ireland has more influence due to its population but is in the same boat. Other than joining the country that these places are attached to the only thing these people can do is to leave the colony and go to England if they don't like it.

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

it was never possible to make gib part of the uk's agreement. and spain was always going to veto any equitable agreement allowing gib into schengen in fabour of this stupid 'sponsership', rather than full normal schengen membership.

I am happy this issue is finally being updated. I live in Gibraltar, and it's not just people going into Spain thats an issue, it's the thousands of Spaniards that work in Gibraltar that's at risk. This would hurt Gibraltar and Spain (in particular, the residents of La Linea de la Concepcion).

@pablolostum

Жыл бұрын

Before moving to Scotland I lived in La Linea de la Concepción for 7 years and yes, I actually have friends who work in Gibraltar. It'd be a bad thing for both sides. Unfortunately, there's no easy way out of this situation besides Gibraltar becoming an independent city state (as many Gibraltarians wouldn't like to join Spain anyway)

@TileBitan

Жыл бұрын

@@pablolostum i dont think spain would bark at that at all. As long as the british are out of the peninsula they are good

@isidroramos1073

Жыл бұрын

@@TileBitan Oh, yes, we would! First because for many it's a question of national honor, and second because Gibraltar is already a tax haven and a nest of smugglers; an independent city-state? What could possibly go RIGHT?

@endintiers

Жыл бұрын

@@isidroramos1073 It could just change from a "UK Overseas Territory" to an "EU Overseas Territory", so governed from Brussels.

@TileBitan

Жыл бұрын

@@isidroramos1073 well, im spanish too and regardless of my feelings, people with sovereign rights are living in there. It's not right to make them prisoners in my country just because they belonged to it 300 years ago. The british would be gone, its people truly free, and you want more? Go conquer andorra first

Cool thanks for sharing

At 5:02 you said 2022, but on screen it says 2021. I'm guessing it's too late to fix this now, but thanks as always for your videos 🙂

Your Schengen map is outdated

What's happening about this in the overseas territories ofAkrotiri and Dekhelia? Those are actually conected too to the EU by land. Have they reached an agreement or are them just like Gibraltar?

@RunawayTrain2502

Жыл бұрын

It's not like the Cypriots aren't used to having wierd borders on their island.

@philipbranco9568

Жыл бұрын

The Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, known simply as SBA, in Cyprus were always deemed outside the EU, but sort of had an open border with Cyprus and used the euro. Local people who lived there are considered Cypriots and as such come under Cypriot and European law and can move in and out of the territory, however members of the Defence Forces and their families are considered British and are under British military rules. It's complicated.

@laurentcorveleyn8765

Жыл бұрын

As with Gibraltar, there are also negotiations being conducted for Akrotiri and Dekhalia.

@corradomancini3271

Жыл бұрын

@@laurentcorveleyn8765 Negotiations on what exactly? RAF Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British sovereign territory.

@samhartford8677

Жыл бұрын

@@corradomancini3271 And because of that there should be a customs, immigration and regulatory border around the bases. See the problem? A bit difficult for shopping and stuff...

As a U.S. citizen, I'm playing the world's smallest violin for the Brits who now have to pay for healthcare in Spain.

@3:24 Since Jan 1st, Croatia is part of the Schengen Area

It seemed oh so simple didn't it Boris? Cake and eat it yeah?

Boris promised this was easy.

Someone ask Sir Starmer to, instead of reforming the Lords, to reform the referendum process where it will require unanimous 4-nation consent to pass a referendum like Brexit.

Why's this tiny piece of peninsula even part of the UK anyway?? Or yet why isn't it a no-brainer to return it to Spain? What benefits does the UK get for holding onto it?

3:25 Slovenia and Croatia are both in the Schengen area. And Malta!

I could imagine Gibraltarians starting to want to join Spain if there are no changes on this question and the economic results become worse and worse under Brexit. The Brexit referendum was seen as an idealization of the British Empire, however, Britain will lose its last vestiges of empire if it continues with Brexit.

@stephenisom6089

Жыл бұрын

IN A WORD BASQUE ..remember lovely spain and the ,,eu say no to the basque,,,,funny how left wing loons forget all the nasty stuff the eu do hey Grease .you tell um these have selective anti british minds ,little turn coats..

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

spain closed the border entirely when franco was in power. no one crossed it for decades. that didn't make gibraltar want to be part of spain. so no.

@charlesmadre5568

Жыл бұрын

That is utterly delusional. Spanish nationalists keep threatening to destroy Gibraltar and deport its people, why do you think that would make Gibraltarians eager to join a country where there was a rising political movement intent on their own destruction?

@pachekusdimitrescus1

Жыл бұрын

@@karLcx Spain was in a dictatorship disliked by most of the population, it wasn't part of the EU and economically was much worse than it is nowadays which is not great but it has improved; so chances are that the scenario has changed, however it is important to consider that the UK kicked out the native population so I'm not a fan of a referenda when addressing the Gibraltar question

@charlesmadre5568

Жыл бұрын

@@pachekusdimitrescus1 Since you don't want to convince Gibraltarians to join Spain through a referendum, what's your solution then? You complain that the UK kicked out the residents of the rock in the 1700s, so I'm guessing you don't want to do the same thing to the current residents. So your solution is to force the residents to become part of a country they unanimously rejected?

You have wrong Schengen map, it has changed on 1.1.2023.

This video reminds me of the first tldr video I ever watched, which was about Gibraltar. I don't intendt to stoo watching now for a cyclical ending though

Must mention that the talks are not exactly just Madrid with London, but also with Gibraltar as since we created our constitution in 66 i believe UK stated that negotiations regarding Gibraltar must always include Gibraltar in the talks as Spain would try to keep Gibraltar out of soveirnty talks.

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

gibraltarian voices are seldom heard and usually shouted down volume wise by spain. just look at the mess of comments here.

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, gut it's Brussels (EU) too. We are talking about Schengen here...

@karLcx

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 Brussels is welcome to get off it’s arse at any time and stand up for freedom and democracy rather than let Spanish fever dreams dictate policy.

@dutchman7623

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@@karLcx Correct! And that is why the EU waits for a decision by Gibraltar in which direction it will go. In full freedom and democracy the UK decided to leave the EU, and that's okay. This decision has severe consequences for a number of areas like NI and Gibraltar. Strangely you do not appeal on freedom and democracy within the UK when it became clear that nor NI, nor Gibraltar, nor Scotland, nor London, wanted to leave, and these areas pointed out the problems they would face in economical and practical ways. The EU does not involve in internal affairs of member states, nor in those of former members. Only when it involves matters and conditions of their membership, or treaties that involve the EU explicitly. For Northern Ireland a treaty was made that would open the border between ROI and UK as part of the Good Friday Agreement. For Gibraltar a treaty was made that would open the border between Gibraltar and Spain, as part of entree conditions for Spain. Consequences are that both borders cannot be closed by either side. Consequences are as well that borders would be drawn between NI or Gibraltar and the other parts of the UK when the UK left the EU. Both ROI and Spain are bound to these treaties as well as the UK and EU, and all others involved. This means that the ROI is involved when the status of NI changes. This means that Spain is involved when the status of Gibraltar changes. Both have the right to block any action by the EU or others.

@karLcx

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​@@dutchman7623 freedom and democracy within the UK isn't something that keeps me awake at night. it has it's failings but i don't live in the uk. they'll do what they're going to do. this is all sound in theory, but spain cannot be trusted to not abuse the process in an attempt to push and shove traction on the sovereignty issue. the entire EU border should be an EU responsibility, imo. if spain was for the first time in their history willing to behave in good faith and negotiate as a partner on an equitable border situation to create a normal border (apparently not in their political interests) then the negotiations would have been quick and simple and the border fence might not even be necessary.

"British overseas territory" google: do you mean "Colony"?

@nicks4934

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No it means they cannot come to uk 😂

@MichaelGGarry

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A colony is not the same thing at all....

@Limpet-

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Gibraltar =British Overseas T £0 to the British Tax Payer ! Ceuta & Melilla = Colonies ( they send their taxes to Madrid ) and don’t get much back . So in theory a colony is always funded by their country , in this case Gibraltar isn’t one and self sufficient. The UN a still refers to Gibraltar as a Colony but that’s not really the case , …… but it must be true because the Sun had an article next to page 3 !

Tell me about it, as a Gibraltar resident, we are not out of the woods yet.

very well done analysis

It’s good to finally hear someone reporting on how Brexit is affecting Gibraltar. Looking at the comments though, it seems that some UK and Spanish viewers could have done with a video on what is Gibraltar, the history of the Gibraltar-Spain border, and the opinions of Gibraltarians on everything

@blazinglazer7109

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@darken2417

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No one cares, Gibraltar is an insignificant little colony. Caring would produce more than double the GDP of their entire territory.

@User-qf2ex

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The opinions of Gibraltarians do not matter so it would be a waste of time to learn about them. This matter will be handled by their overlords in Westminster. Opinions in London are what people should be learning.

@maddyl6988

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@@User-qf2ex “overlords in Westminster”? Gibraltar is British cause we want to be, something the people in the comments saying the situation could be solved if we just became part of Spain could do with knowing. They should also know the history about the frontier being closed Berlin Wall-style for decades by Franco so they have the correct context to understand why it has to stay open in the future. Just like how people should know about the Troubles before they go putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

@blazinglazer7109

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@@User-qf2ex 'The UK Government will never enter into an agreement on sovereignty without the agreement of the Government of Gibraltar and their people. In fact, we will never even enter into a process without that agreement.'

Isolate Gibraltar, implement full controls. And then wait…..

Your map of Schengen area is wrong, Croatia joined Schengen on January 1, 2023.

Croatia is in Schengen now. The map in 3:18 wasn’t updated.