How much did they have to pay him to have him say Sram is less fatiguing on the legs than Shimano? Thats just hilarious.

I wish that Cycling Weekly would post more reviews of 'regular' priced bikes. It's nice to ogle at 10k bikes but almost no one can afford them - and the review of this model often doesn't translate to lower prices. (Example here, the carbon layup changes due to the use of a regular seat post) I think (and could be wrong) that the £3k models are top of what most people would justify if they could afford it. Above that any performance gain truly is marginal gains. It seems to get worse as the price drops: when buying my first road bike 4 years ago I struggled to find reviews of bikes under £1k. I needed the reviews to help understand what effect geometry changes would have, whether it represented good value, etc. Riding them didn't help as all drop bar bikes felt twitchy when compared to hybrid bikes I'd ridden throughout uni.

@MrOMGWTFROFL1

4 жыл бұрын

💯 with you here, give me a 2k bracket and I'm there, but I just don't see a point in these unless you're a MAMIL with serious wealth

@twatts4436

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrOMGWTFROFL1 I get that people do buy the super expensive bikes, but not many people. Just want to see a fairer distribution of reviews. And I hate seeing reviews for cheaper bikes talking about things to upgrade. If the item needing an upgrade causes a notable enough deficit it's not an upgrade, it's fixing the bike. Or the reviewer is ignoring that there has to be a compromise to hit the lower prices (wheels). Currently got a bee in my bonnet as cycling is being taken up by new people. The implications of high cost might put these new people off the sport.

@mrvwbug4423

4 жыл бұрын

They review the bikes the manufacturers send them, which is usually top tier stuff. Same with a lot of the demo bikes. I went to the Specialized experience center in Boulder, CO to demo a couple of MTBs and the Enduro they handed me was an S-Works with Full Fox Factory suspension and full XTR groupset (was surprised it didn't have SRAM etap). Second bike I demoed was a more reasonable Stumpjumper Expert, still carbon frame/wheels, but a more typical SRAM GX groupset and Fox 36 Performance fork, and literally half the price of the S-works. The $5000 bike was more fun to ride than the $10,000 race machine. Even then neither bike felt dramatically better than the $2100 Aluminum frame Giant Trance that I ride normally, the main difference I noticed was in the stiffness and responsiveness of the carbon wheels and a little better suspension response.

@PuneethBedre

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree with you. I suppose that there is such a big spread of bikes in that price range, which is why these guys don’t bother reviewing them.

@TimZonTour07

4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. I've been waiting for my employer to remove the £1k cap from their cycle to work scheme which they finally did last month (up to £4k to incorporate those who want electric bikes) I'd imagine most employers would top out about the same, so when you consider adding accessories then £3.5k is probably the upper limit for the vast majority of current or budding enthusiasts that you would think would be Cycling Weekly's target audience. For me I'm looking to buy my 1st bike, I've been riding a hand me down for a few years, £1k would have been plenty for my commute but have got really into it and now doing regular hilly 30 -50 miles routes on said hunk of junk (which is probably 2 sizes too big for me) so whilst I can now look at (and justify) some serious options, nowhere has any stock in store, therefore can't view / test ride, so reviews are essential. Maybe there are just too many brands and models to effectively cover all bases, but I would thought it better to focus on the lower - mid tiers, with nods to the advantages that the pro bikes have, rather than review the top tier when it doesn't reflect what the average person is buying. If you are looking at this bike in particular David Arthur has I think 3 reviews on the £3.6k adv pro 1

Just ordered a 2021 advanced pro frameset not 30 minutes ago, I've always loved giant and the tcr. Also, I'm super stoked for the chameleon colorway!

@MattFisher1973

4 жыл бұрын

Took delivery of my frameset (built up with components from the 2019 donor bike) this week and not remotely disappointed. You will enjoy.

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

@@MattFisher1973 good to know, I'm swapping the 6700 di2 from my old bike onto it then taking the old frame back to mech shifting for a winter bike.

@kc9wolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mrich775 How do you liked your TCR so far??

@Mrich775

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9wolf absolutely love it, currently I've got a busted rear hub so back on the winter bike but the tcr has been amazing.

@db613

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mrich775 this is exactly what I plan to do, and ride that until the newer 12spd comes down in price in a year or so. What does it weigh with the 6700 Ultegra? What BB did you go with??

Thanks for the detailed thorough review, really appreciate it.

All you need to do for extra comfort is swap the 25mm for 28mm tubeless tyres at a lower psi so you can do those 100km rides without feeling the road buzz getting at you. What you may gain in weight and loose a little aerodynamically you'll get back in comfort and being more comfortable helps you with performance

@johnm91326

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of buying a super high end race bike? If you don't need every but of performanc you're basically wasting your money with this.

@nemeanf27

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnm91326 comfort is part of performance it's just been neglected in favour of aerodynamics and light weight. Those 2 definitely matter but when you go too much that way you loose comfort and when you start feeling uncomfortable your performance will diminish. Finding a good balance between comfort, aerodynamics and weight is key to overall performance.

@astrayagrarian

4 жыл бұрын

Carl Evans this is why you should just buy a steel or titanium road bike and run 28mm tires on modern wide rims

@nemeanf27

4 жыл бұрын

@@astrayagrarian I got a Defy Advanced Pro 1 with 28mm Tubeless tyres, really comfortable to ride, handles well and quick enough too

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnm91326 wider tires on wider rims can be just as fast if not faster, additionally given imperfect roads as most have, the added comfort helps speed over rough terrain.

Ordered my giant trcr advanced disc pro 0, coming in october... 💪🏼🚀

Regarding comfort, what tire pressure you rode? As it is tubeless, you can ride it between 5-6 bar, which should improve comfort.

I own a 2020 Tarmac Pro with Sram force and like you said it's an awesome group set. I use the "compensating" feature when you shift between big and small front rings. Then once I switched tubeless tyres ride got so much better now along with zero flats.

Love the passion and the honesty!

@channul4887

3 жыл бұрын

It's like saying, "I loved this great piece of literature" after reading an outdoor billboard on your way to work.

Did you test this with a more conventional wheelset? I wonder how exceptional the frame is in all the regards mentioned with a normal set of wheels.

Do you think using say 28mm schwalbe pro one would make it a little more comfortable? The original giant tyres were always quite "hard" imo

the sram groupset: "it' really effortless on the legs, it's much less fatiguing than riding a shimano groupset". Did you really say it??? Do you mean that 200watts through a sram are easier than 200w through a shimano? Or do you mean that pushing a 48/13 is less fatiguing than pushing a 52/14?

@dingodoggy66

4 жыл бұрын

Agree. My eyes glazed over at that point.

@red00tl

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously the latter as he said, "Something about the way they sized gears is really effortless on the legs."

@mikew9743

3 жыл бұрын

Sram has easier gearing so.it might feel smoother therefore less effort

@georgefarrowgreen01

3 жыл бұрын

Technically at a mechanical level the larger gears are far more efficient, like 6+ watts more efficient @ 300w

The knocking noise might also be due to a loose headset expander plug. I had the same issue and fixed it by putting a bit of carbon paste and re-tightening the plug.

Great review 👌

Thanks for your honest review. Sounds like a great racing machine!

Great review. Thanks for being honest vs pander to the people at Giant. I had an older Giant and found it just too stiff for my old body.

Sorry for my english and thank for your video. I will may be buy this bike soon, or may be the new emonda SLR 2021. Wich one you think better (for race and climb)? What interessed me with a bike is the perfomance.

I wonder how much going to 28c tires and dropping tire pressure might help with the ride quality. It sounds like it has all the qualities of a great bike for canyon carving and attacking mountain passes, god tier on the climb and incredibly responsive on the descent. I also suspect going to a lower model with the D-fuse adjustable seat post would help the ride quality like it does on the Defy. If I were going to get this bike I'd probably get a 105 or Ultegra equipped model at a much more reasonable price.

Good review, at last someone thats prepared to say if they would spend there own money on a product they are reviewing 👍👍👍

How will that isp pack into a bike case?

So the same ride quality you tout early, calling the Tarmac numb, is the one that negates this as your choice?

id rather have ultegra mechanical than red electronic

@ladidadi2473

4 жыл бұрын

Same here. I have four eTap batteries with broken tabs, and don't see myself getting a nother bike with them.

@Robin_S78

4 жыл бұрын

I’d rather have a Volkswagen Passat than Bugetti Veyron....

@channul4887

3 жыл бұрын

@@Robin_S78 Don't be so harsh on Sram.

@Robin_S78

3 жыл бұрын

Channul Ehm...harsh on SRAM?

@channul4887

3 жыл бұрын

@@Robin_S78 well you're shitting on SRAM by calling it a VW Passat. That's harsh, they are shit but come on.

Any chance of a review of the TCR advanced 2/1 aka in the 2/3k bracket. I'm realistically never going to own a 10k bike

@cyclingweekly

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully in the coming months, this was the first model Giant sent out to us. Watch this space! - Rupert

Curious if your (the reviewers) concern about it not being comfortable after 100km would be reduced if you went to 28mm or larger tire to absorb some of the bumps you mentioned? Anyone out there riding this with a 28 or larger? One of the reasons i want to order this is the wide tire clearance it has!

I feel like people don’t give tires and tire pressure enough attention. If the bike is too stiff on long rides just get some 32s at a lower pressure. Right?

The Pro 1 disc or rim at around 3500 looks a great buy. Still low weight and reviews are excellent.

Good review. Do you know which bars specifically work well with the Overdrive 2 Stem?

Completely off topic, but what is that device on your wrist? :)

How does it stack up on stiffness against the Emonda? I have an Emonda SL pro....it's stiff too, but I am very interested in the TCR.

@chriskneen554

4 жыл бұрын

New emonda being launched next week, lighter and aero 👌🏻

@n.m4497

4 жыл бұрын

@@chriskneen554 coming at 8kg, lmao it's like their previous 2017 version but with rim brakes and more expensive. More aero at 350watts for 1h 😂😂😂😂😂

So what bike for softer ride but still light and fast?

Just got my TCR SL 1 yesterday and did 100 miles on it. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good! I honestly wasn't sore after 100 miles, I'm sure it's different for some folks but my experience was no pain just gain!

@brody5211

3 жыл бұрын

You did 100 miles on first spin . That’s hardcore !

@terrychalk1982

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got one and can also say it’s super comfortable not sure about his review especially as the later review from cycling weekly name it as there bike of the yr

@ryanS593

2 жыл бұрын

I just bought the frame and building one. Was a bit concerned until I saw this. Now encouraged again.

Would you go for an endurance frame or road frame like that of the Tarmac for your style of riding?

@pballasiotes

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll answer for him and say, road frame.

I have just transported a 'Giant TCR 2021' back to the UK. Is it possible that the shop in Spain was telling me the truth that, I would be the onlt person with one in the UK ? Or were they humouring me ? Need to know !!!xx

I specced mine with a pair of Zipp 404 Firecrest and 28 c tubeless tires, and it is so comfortable. I like it better than my Pinarello Dogma... which in my opinion is a lot stiffer than my TCR

I wanted to buy a TCR but because of exactly what you said (comfort) i purchase the Defy instead, wich is incredibly smooth and comfortable...but with tubeless 28mm don't expect to win the race, this bike is all meant for the long ride...

Really cool video! Will you review the ultegra di2 version??

What do you guys think about the pro 2 tcr?

A fair and honest review .

Awesome video !! You know Giant makes their own carbon for a long time, well, if you watch their videos yoy see they have had these machines that rolls of carbon fibre and then weave them into sheets of carbon with their own resin as well, I don't know if they had been buying those rolls of carbon in form of long fibers and then from that makibg their own sheets of carbon with their own resin, which better than all the other big brands, whatever it is now Giant is really 100% the best maikng everything themselves even the metal

Good review with a pinch of honesty

why wouldnt you use 32mm tires for more comfort?

Do you think it will make much of a difference with a 32mm Tyre option on it ?

@cyclingweekly

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on the tyre, but in my experience a lot of tubeless tyres have a harsher feel and the Cadex wheels are tubeless only. - Rupert

Only speccing the SRAM Red eTap AXS on top end bikes just tells me that there’s a new Dura Ace Di2 coming sooner than later given that they still have Ultegra Di2 bikes available.

@mikew9743

4 жыл бұрын

Supposed to be released this summer but rumor it got delayed until next spring due to covid But wont be seen on consumer bikes until.end of next year

Great and honest presentation! Unfortunatelly you forgot to mention, that you can only use Giant-wheels (and from Cadex), which are quiet heavy and from the Cadex-brand very expensive. Did you already testet the other TCR-versions, if they are more comfortable? Greetings.

@davepoole8530

9 ай бұрын

For your information, those wheels are some of the lightest…….in the region of 1250g

Great review. I think if you're racing crits, this is your bike. Personally, I'm with you: bikes need to be comfortable. Perhaps swapping to 28 tires at lower psi would make a difference.

Great looking bike and comparison, but why compare this with the emonda? 😑

Where did you get your t shirt? I like it 😎

It's amazing !!

I’ve had a TCR pro & a TCR SL and I found the pro more comfortable

@anthonyychapa

4 жыл бұрын

Second this. Pro and regular Advanced models offer a touch more compliance with the seat post that isn’t ISP. Stiff where they need to be but a bit smoother overall than the Pro SL models.

@MattFisher1973

4 жыл бұрын

Also have both and inclined to agree.

Does no one in cycling shave anymore ?

Yup Giant TCR never fails to impress, is The World top 5 brand

It's actually the new SLR Fleet saddle that come with the bike and not the cadex one, you even see it clearly in this video as well on Giant's website lol

Great review. Looking forward to a review of a Pro 0 model as you mentioned for comparison.

This review is SO misinformed, biased and discriminated against the none-Western, Taiwanese Giant Bike Co. 1st -SL uses nanotube technology/harden resin (CNT.) It is mixture of T700/T800/T1000 with 1k/UD weaved carbon, it’s not just T700 alone. www.giant-bicycles.com/int/technology/detail/55 2nd -The robo-layups is what they’ve been using in F1 race cars, so Yes. It is way more advanced and stiffer than the BMC and Piñata. 3rd -Of course it’s gonna be super twitchy and a bit uncomfortable, the thru-axle made the bike even stiffer. 4th -Cadex wheels are laced with carbon spokes and super stiff hubs, no flex there. You didn’t mention that Giant clearly stated that this is a “Total Race Bike” not your average touring or endurance bike. Therefore, if the characteristic of the TCR SL and the Cadex wheelset is too much of a bike for you to handle. You should have review the TCR pro with a more comfortable SLR wheelset prior to this. Or get yourself a couch like endurance bike for your type of riding. 4th -Yes. The front knocking noise is from the shitty Sram pads, all Sram riders has to deal with their poor DB engineering, it has nothing to do with Giant. Please do a better job the next time🤫

@nuttynut722

4 жыл бұрын

typical cycling weakly

@olo398

4 жыл бұрын

read ur comment and its only 1min into the review, stopped watching it, thanks for saving me a few mins. obv all the major "cycling media" are jus regurgitating what the marketing dept is shitting out sooooo thanks :-)

@SpeckledPants

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@Nicky458itl

3 жыл бұрын

that knocking noise come from loose head set bearing tolorances not from sram brake. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qpd7ucqxdJrIXdY.html

@georgefarrowgreen01

3 жыл бұрын

so true

This is how you do a good review, well done. I think those outer cables spoil the whole thing. It looks dated already, shame for such a top end bike.

@hiro111

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It looks strange in 2020 to see exposed cables on a 10k full race bike.

It's a race bike thus it will feel uncomfortable on longer rides. Suggest to get a Giant Defy if one prefers an endurance, non-race type riding style. It's like why buy a Ferrari when you are going for cross country travelling? The suspension stiffness in a supercar will make you curse the car. Same logic.

Think I'll stick to my 2019 TCR 😂 as for the brakes well sram.... Enough said really

@laszlozoltan5021

4 жыл бұрын

hmmm, sram....meaning better or worse than a bicycle pump in the spokes ?

Go review the TCR adv SL 2, the most affordable top spec bike

0:33 It costs £9499. At 1:35 it costs £9499. At 4:38 it costs £9999. I know the world economy is a mess at the mo, but a price increase of £500 in just 3 minutes is a bit steep.

@RyonBeachner

4 жыл бұрын

It’d be downright stable if he’s in Venezuela.

Good to know that this bike costs more than my friend's brand new Ducati motorcycle. Who says cyclists aren't getting it in the rear by bike manufacturers?

@josephalbanese1393

4 жыл бұрын

What brand new Ducati are you talking about?

@stephen5665

4 жыл бұрын

Dude, Ducati motorcycles can cost $40,000 USD. If your friend bought a Ducati for the same price of this bike, he got the entry level model. So, he didn't get the "best" Ducati. You get what you pay for.

@costasmandylor1565

4 жыл бұрын

gixxer 750 Hear me out here: my neighbor bought a Ducati Scrabler Cafe Racer. This Giant TCR (with tax) costs almost $14,000 US!! Are you trying to tell me there is more R&D in this TCR than my friends Ducati? His motorcycle is stunning and costs $3000 less. You're talking about a bike with a set of wheels, cranks and a drivetrain for $14,000??? We're cyclists, we've gotten used to these extravagant and astronomical prices, but the reality is we're being sold a bill of goods! You ask any non-cyclist walking down the street how much bicycles cost these days and they'll look at you like you're crazy...and they'd be right. Any reputable Chinese factory these days can make a solid carbon fiber frame and fork for a few hundred dollars. Don't get me wrong, I love high end beautiful bikes just like anyone else, but when will it end? $15,000? $17,000? At this rate a $20,000 bicycle is just around the corner.

@LayMamaHoMah

4 жыл бұрын

If there's a market for it then people are paying these prices. While I agree it's not as material as a motorcycle, it makes the middle and lower end models look like a better deal with the lower prices.

@stephen5665

4 жыл бұрын

@@costasmandylor1565 same could be said for a car costing over $1 million USD ( Bugatti; McLaren). Wouldn't you find that ridiculous too?? It seems $10k USD for a high end bicycle seems "cheap" now lol, right? What about a private jet costing $100 million USD? many celebrities and CEO'S have them. Are they stupid for buying one. What about a yatch costing millions of dollars?? I could go on and on. Just because you can't afford them doesn't mean it is crazy to for someone who can to buy them. Again, you get what you pay for.

I think 80% of your "NOT" comfortable outcome was because you used the same 25mm tires that came with the bike & never once changed to 32mm. As David Arthur changed to 32s and he was very comfy on the bike granted he had non fixed seatpost model but tires make 90% of difference to comfort than a seatpost.. Especially when you are talking about 7mm difference.

Since this presentation happmed you can buy this bike with Shimano Di2 groupset at Giant shopsin London for £3400 : ) Giant TCR Advanced SL disc. It is tradisional lay up carbon technology, whcich has achievec end point with the most of average brands. If you try to ride LOOK or TIME bikes then you will feel a different class frame and feel : ) Stiffest? See Time Alpe Huez frame 25% stiffer and better ride.

Too harsh of a ride? That sounds like a job for lower pressures and wider tires, no loss in rolling resistance.

@dickieblench5001

Жыл бұрын

Or tubs

What bike do you own and ride?

@cyclingweekly

4 жыл бұрын

Specialized S-Works Tarmac Disc - Rupert

@MasteringGrappling

4 жыл бұрын

Why didn’t you choose the Venge?

As with all new Giants wait six months and the dealers will be selling for half that sticker price

@Chris-de2qc

4 жыл бұрын

Really?

@hockeyiscanada

4 жыл бұрын

Well, not the Giant Montreal Canada store, they don't ever go down jn price for the top highest end model lol

@rogase68

3 жыл бұрын

Now for sale of AUD 8,500 in Melbourne

I have to say I feel very surprised that you say the bike feels uncomfortable when David Arthur (Just Ride Bikes) praises the bike regarding comfort after riding it 2000 km

@cyclingweekly

3 жыл бұрын

I just didn't think it was as comfortable as other, similarly priced bikes. Cheers! - Rupert

@dickieblench5001

6 ай бұрын

DA wasn't riding the advanced SL model

i'm thrilled with any frame that's certified up to 300 lbs. rider and bie! at 265 lbs.i don't have a whole lot of selections-oh the life of a super clydesdale! just somebody send me 10 grand!

I don't like the castrated front derailleur of Sram 12x.

Even with a power meter I think the price is frankly ridiculous.

£9499 and no fully integrated cables? Not for me I don't think

I can spot a cable!

Giant has been using its own Carbon layers for years, he’s ignorant saying that they have started doing this.

Well, if I had the money...

Did I hear correctly 6.6 kg and then 6.9 kg. He also did not mention the size.👇🏻

Riding SRAM is much less fatigue on my legs than riding Shimano :) :) - they have hidden motors !!! - hilarious

I have no doubt about Giant TCR's price to performance ratio. HOWEVER, we are in 2020 and I would not like to see any cables hanging outside the frame.

@KenSmith-bv4si

4 жыл бұрын

Those are not cables , rather they are Hydraulic brake lines.

@DanTuber

4 жыл бұрын

@@KenSmith-bv4si cables....lines...same thing. For that sort of money I want a clean looking bike.

@JayMerchantPhD

4 жыл бұрын

It may be more aesthetically clean, but unless you're a bike mechanic prepare to shell out some $$$ to service a fully integrated cockpit. I read the engineering notes for this bike, and Giant specifically choose not to do that. They basically took the best of both designs -- a lower drag coefficient and the ability to service it yourself. In my book, that's a win.

@caperider1160

4 жыл бұрын

@@JayMerchantPhD of course I am aware of the serviceability issues. Once you understand, internal routing is not too hard to handle yourself. I had to sweat with my Klein bicycles early internal routing in the early 2000s so I find modern internal routing very easy to handle.

@KenSmith-bv4si

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanTuber seriously I have cables in my hydraulic lines?

I would be prefer a BH G8 disc

Typical review full of buzz words, clichés and marketing terms. Also, I am rather confused as I just came from a review by a single person channel who got the non ISP version of 2021 and basically swore in his video that the ISP version is the way to go if more compliance is desired. His reference was his older 2017 ISP TCR admittedly. Confusing stuff regardless.

Yesterday I tried dogma f12 disc it was the best all round performance bike i ever ridden!

@n.m4497

4 жыл бұрын

15k$, lmao

I’m enjoying the bike so far kzread.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.

Specialized warranty doe

A good reading of Giant marketing material. Best of class, according to Giant.

Why wouldn’t they hide those brake cables🤦🏼‍♂️

Well, I don't see justified why this or any bike costs more than 4K.

T700 ? I don't think it's T700 that's not even that good, the standard is atleast T800 and I've heard about even T900 and T1000, etc. So T700 wouldn't be very high end for a high end 2021 bike like the tcr advanced sl !! Isn't T700, 800, 900 etc. from Toray composites in japan ? If Giant makes their own carbon, it shouldn't be T700, etc. It should be some other kjnd made by Giant !!

sram preferred over shimano ? and referring to rim brakes as old fashioned ? what ?? pure marketing rubbish ....

Jeez....$10k for a bike.....unless u are actually competing with this bike.....bot worth it.

I have to admit that Giant builds good bikes, but as a Chinese who grew up in China, I would never buy any Giant bikes in the future. This is simply because of the continuous bad Chinese Giant customer service experience and bad attitude Chinese Giant staffs had made a stigma which builds the equation in my mind which Giant=Company doesn’t care about its customers. In the Chinese market, Giant has been cutting down cost by letting other small local bike stores join their retailer-ship. However they have never ever trained the staffs enough, so that they are never professional, and what’s more, they don’t even have good attitude towards customers in general. I understand people around the globe, especially Chinese in mainland (because of the monopolization in the industry in China), are still considering Giant as their first choice. Because Giant always provide good cost-performance, and generally speaking Giant has its reputation of building great bikes. However, with all that bad experience, I wouldn’t bother enabling the company to steal my money, when I have loads of options of bikes from other great companies in North America.

@stevec2739

4 жыл бұрын

put this on chinese forum thenas it has no relevance here.

@jerryjin3427

4 жыл бұрын

I guess that was probably Giant’s strategy for expansion. Early in the 2000s, Giant was known for selling cheap commuter bikes and cheap mountain bikes in China. And because of the large population, they could earn loads of money. However, even tough they grow so big today, they are still doing the same thing. Giant local stores in Toronto, the city I live in right now is far better than that in Shanghai. Back in there, I have seen way terrible things Giant have done to my friends and people around me. Staffs were almost untrained. They recommend wrong size frame to my friend, and later they refused to replace or refund. I had also seen a technician using a flathead screw driver to dig out a tire on an aluminum wheel, causing a huge dent in the rim and later refused to do anything about it. And in general, I would say the technicians in Giant stores in Shanghai are just lazy (literally everyone I met). In Shanghai, the warranty covers pumping tires and all the minor adjustments where needed. But for all the time, I would have to pump the tires myself and adjust things myself, and the technician just sat there whole time and watched me doing all these things. I was fine, because I was experienced enough, however, just imagine those people who just get into cycling? Unfortunately, Giant has almost dominated the bicycle industry in China (together with Merida, which was no where better than Giant), and people could do nothing about it!

@JayMerchantPhD

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is really interesting! I never would have guessed that Giant would treat their own customers so poorly. I guess if you nearly monopolize a market you can do whatever you want. It's a real shame though, because you're right. The people of China, and everyone else for that matter, have options. The Americans, Italians, and even Germans make great bikes. It's a shame.

Please give up the journalist comments like not rolling below 32 (meaningless) and getting blown in a cross wind because the bike is light. Please, a weight difference smaller than an empty vs full water bottle is not going to prevent you from getting blown around.

£9,500 is crazy money. The only thing you’ve getting that is not just a selection off the shelf parts is a frame. So 9 and a half k for a frame 😂😂😂😂😂

The harshness will go away if you mount a wheelset with Tubular tires instead of the standard tubeless set.

Living in a country with less than desirable roads, all this stiffness talk is leaving me cold.

Sponsorship make bikes like this free... Sram vs. Shimano vs. Campagnolo bollocks.

Haha, so the reviewer praises the bike for 14 minutes basically saying is a fantastic bike only to say at the end no, sorry but don't buy it. Why do so much revewers do this? Have this inherent contradiction in their reviews that doesn't help viewers. Praising something for 14 minutes and then saying its not worth it is confusing.

Think I'd still take the new SL7 S Works, just looks better

I'm still digging myself out of the misinformed bullshit..!

A same priced Pinarello makes oneself feel better, it's the brand awareness issue so i wouldn't buy a Giant~

Old fashion stoppers, now you lost most and sound like newbie pretending.. Or paid for that continued marketing push..

Old fashioned stoppers! Disc brakes are shit I’ve had disc equipped bikes for 4 years now an there a pain in the arse, I go through a break calliper every 6 months an at £150 for pads discs an a bleed kit there expensive. 4 days into my Majorca trip I melted my front calliper so the rest of my trip was fantastic 👎🏻

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100% marketing BS 😢