This movie does have a strong impact on me when I was a kid, I didn’t know that the second Godzilla wws actually the son of Gojira and I do feel sad to see the weapon was killed a misunderstood figure.

@Kaiju-bm4ts

Жыл бұрын

This godzilla isn't the son of anyone, the director confirmed it's not canon but up for headcannon

@kolbetg6323

10 ай бұрын

​@@Kaiju-bm4tsHe said it might not necessarily be canon, but didn't approve it

I can be sure that Godzilla Kiryu Saga is the son of Godzilla 1954. This can be seen at some points. Godzilla 1954 remembers his son's roar and it woke him up. when he sees his wounded son in a cocoon, he was furious and dragged his son into the sea so that no one could harm him

@Epsilon11Fox

9 ай бұрын

I mean, yeah. You're right, he can finally rest, 1954 Godzilla saw his son one last time.

@trinitynguyen-su8wh

4 ай бұрын

He killed himself to help his son

It's a theory that Japanese really like and which the director...kinda endorsed it (??) either way Kiryu-Godzilla and current Godzilla must've known each other. They must've been from the same colony whether they were a family or just neighbors but for the Kiryu saga them being father and son adds an interesting dimension. Especially if you watch the movies with this in mind. It's not overly present but we see for example Mechagodzilla taking Goji in his arms and then of course they both go underwater. Will Kiryu keep Godzilla against his will forever or maybe until the time comes that he's "ready" to live free maybe when he grows older or when the humans are gone?

I thought about this too when I was watching the film. You can tell that spirit of the first Godzilla in that Mecha Godzilla was refusing to kill the other Godzilla so maybe it was a father & son thing, who knows. These were my thoughts anyway lol.

I mean yeah it makes sense. And if im not mistaken the red streak under Kiryu's eyes are to simulate him crying because he doesn't want to fight KiryuGoji. Great video as always my dude

The general rule is that if the director, producer, or author says or confirms it as cannon, then it is cannon. Toho has final say in the matter, in whether what is or is not cannon, but the person(s) can still have their own opinion. It also doesn't help that the Millennium Era timeline is all over the place. With the Showa and Heisei series, the movies are all direct sequels of the original. The Godzillas in Godzilla Raids Again (1955) and Return of Godzilla (1984) respectively are creatures that are creatures that come from the same species as the first Godzilla but not related familial wise. Reiwa and Monstervserse also have their own separate timelines. The Millennium era Godzillas can be broken down as thus: Godzilla 1999 A.K.A. Godzilla 2000 Millennium: Another member of the Godzilla species with no relation to the original 1954 Godzilla. Godzilla 2000 (Godzilla Vs. Megaguirus): The original Godzilla that wasn't killed but kept returning every decade or so to wreak havoc. Toho used the Millennium era suit and filmed it in black and white while recreating the scenes from the 1954 film. Godzilla 2001 (GMK): No relation to the original. A collective will of the angry spirits of the dead from WW2. A supernatural being. GMK also mentions Godzilla 1998, so one could include that and Godzilla the Series in this timeline branch. Godzilla 2002/03 (Godzilla X Mechagodzilla & Tokyo S.O.S.): See video above. Come to your own conclusions. Godzilla 2004 (Final Wars): Once again the original Godzilla from 1954 but with an alternate history. Sealed away in the ice of Antartica after being trapped by the Gotengo rather than being killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. And for fun: Godzilla 2016 (Shin): No relation to the original 1954. Mutated creature as a result of nuclear waste dumping in Tokyo Bay in the 1950's. AniGoji (Anime Trilogy): No relation to the Original 1954 Godzilla. Godzilla Ultima and previous forms: As of now no relation to the Original 1954 unless the future season 2 delves deeper into backstory of the creature. Chibi Godzilla (2018's "Do Your Best, Chibi Godzilla" kids book): Eh...? No clue. This one is an oddball. Come up with your own conclusions. Godzilla-kun (Gojiban KZread series): The son of Taigo (Heisei suit, Father) and Mirei (Millennium suit, Mother). Has two younger brothers Minilla and Little, a grandfather named Grandpa Zilla (1954 suit) and an uncle named "Ugly" Uncle Zilla (Shin Godzilla). Another Godzilla the around Godzilla-kun's age based on the King Kong vs Godzilla suit design also appears, but it is unknown if they are related to each. (I don't read or speak Japanese and most episodes don't have translations!)

@princessmaly

5 ай бұрын

Toho doesn't have final say on shit, they don't have ANY say, they're a company, they don't own art, they produce and sell products. The author is dead, but the megacorp funding the operation was never alive to begin with and is burning for eternity in the 18th circle of Super Hell. Art works like this -> artists make it, audiences consume it, value is extracted from that interaction. Toho gets paid, that's it. Authorial intent is an important part of the puzzle when it comes to understanding a work, but it is not the only piece. Sometimes the original artist can actually just be objectively wrong about their own works, for instance Milton famously believed that Satan wasn't the protagonist of Paradise Lost, which is factually incorrect. Sometimes, especially with films, which are collaborative works, multiple people will have conflicting ideas about the intent behind something. Within Godzilla, the classic example of this is Final Wars, which was originally written as a sequel to Destroyah - something bore out by General Aso returning as the captain of the Gotengo and the frankly gratuitous editing - but Kitamura had no interest in the VS series (or any Godzilla movies, honestly) and so was very much not into the idea of continuing a series he hated. The finished film is something of a half-baked confusing nightmare as a result, the cold open and opening credits beat you over the head with continuity references, but any of Mimura or Tomiyama's intended continuity from the rest of the script was completely gutted, and so the rest of the movie has nothing to do with anything, it's a jarring experience. But those continuity references are still there, so how do you reconcile that? Ignore it? Go with Kitamura? Go with the editor? Go with your gut? In the end, the relationship between the work and the audience is where meaning comes from, so that's up to you. Does Final Wars gain anything from having continuity? As a finished film... not really? But is there authorial intent still present even after Kitamura stuck most of it down? Undeniably. Does any of it matter? Who knows. But my point is that viewing media as a series of word of god statements is fundamentally misunderstanding what art even IS. Art will outlive everyone who created it, so it needs to be able to speak for itself. None of the major players that created the original Godzilla are alive today, and yet Godzilla continues to speak for itself even without Honda or some Toho promotional nonsense to tell you how to think. The fact that the GMMG Godzilla was meant to be the child of the 1st generation Godzilla isn't really present in the text itself, but I think it does add to the film, not a whole lot, but a little bit. You can disagree and disregard it, but because that was the authorial intent, there is nothing in the film to support the idea that the two Godzillas are demonstrably NOT related, THAT idea can't be supported. So take of it what you will, but the movie already speaks for itself, and there's nothing Tezuka or Tomiyama or Toho can say now that will undo the work they've already done.

Wait.. does that mean that kiryu is basically darth Vader?

@bryanstephens1182

Жыл бұрын

Kiryu is like Darth Vader, but Godzilla style.

@treystephens6166

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, before the Disney buy out …

@KrystianZieba-kc8tx

Жыл бұрын

*No Godzilla... I AM YOUR FATHER*

@trinitynguyen-su8wh

4 ай бұрын

@@KrystianZieba-kc8txSKREOOOOOOOONKKKK!

One of the most badass scenes when the OG Godzilla from 1954 takes control over Kiryu!!!!!!!

This is my theory : in one of the writing , i sau that godzilla is angry because when the bomb that Wales him up , killed His wife , S-o he wanted revenge , but he also has a son Who was going at the time , he decided to Take him to a place where human would never attaco

0:01 adorable and heartbreaking

Gojira 54 turned into Darth Vader didn't he in this movie, I bet he was waiting to reveal he was his father. Kiryu: "The Tokyo people never told you what happened to your father." Other Godzilla: "They told me enough! They told me you killed him." Kiryu: "No! I Am your father." Other Godzilla: "No... Nooo that's Not True! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!! 😭" Kiryu: "SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE." OTher Godzilla: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOOOOOO😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭" Kiryu: "Godzilla, you can destroy the city of Tokyo the people of this world have foreseen this.. it is your destiny, Godzilla join me & Together we can Destroy the world together as father and son!" Other Godzilla: *Stares if he should join him or go back to the ocean* Kiryu: "come with me, There is no escape." Other Godzilla: *Turns around and goes back to the ocean* Kiryu: *watches* Other Godzilla: *sinks back into the ocean* Kiryu: *goes on a rampage and relives his old 54 days* Yeah he's Darth Vader alright. 😎

Oh also awesome thumbnail btw, really like the style. 💯

@scifiexplained

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! always good to know what works!

I had this type of question before but this time it was the 1954 Gojira and the Showa Godzilla. I’m not sure if Gojira is the father while Showa Godzilla could be the son.

@joeysullivanTM

Жыл бұрын

"The world may never know"

@godzillabebravethetrexretu1381

Жыл бұрын

I like to think 1954 godzilla is Showa Godzilla’s older brother

@DragonGuyMax

Жыл бұрын

yea

@iAmREvengeance

Жыл бұрын

Here is my theory, Heisei, Showa, Final Wars, Kiryu, Millenium are the original Godzilla's sons

@joeysullivanTM

Жыл бұрын

@@iAmREvengeance kiryu is not a son, it's the original Godzilla

one of the saddest endings in Godzilla history

I loved this theory because ever since I heard of this I felt it was so underutilized

like that kiryu was the closest to the ghost godzilla idea from heisei revived with how mothra's twins told them to let godzilla's sould rest,him awakening from the roar and taking godzilla into the sea to be at peace from their anger to humans while also showing he's come to care for them helping the pilot escape from kiryu telling him goodbye when before 54 was the big g at his most evil(outside the 1st half of heisei/especially comparing him to gmk where he was a soulless monster fueled by evil intent from disrespected souls that wanted humanity dead.) and the 2nd one for the showa era just kinda appearing. do wish the stinger for the kiryu saga led to final wars as that would've been a good lead in having the xilien's leader take the samples and have that be how they got loose with how every toho kaiju was in there.

ohh i now know why MechaGodzilla destroyed the city and went berserk mode. its because that when MechaGodzilla heard the roar, the ghost of godzilla 1954 went inside MechaGodzilla and mechagodzilla got possesed by godzilla's ghost

Cool

well proud of father godzilla congratulations

Reason he always takes him to the ocean is because that he could calm Godzilla down and let him rest

KiryuGoji, son of Shodaigoji, who knew.

@Kaiju-bm4ts

Жыл бұрын

They aren't father and son though,

@Showagojiragoofy

Жыл бұрын

Gojira is Showa godzilla's father?

So wait then the Godzilla from Godzilla raids again was Minilla father.Cause the 2nd Godzilla in this film is son of Godzilla so then that saying all the Showa films are on universe under the Godzill, from Godzilla raids again that saying that Minilla is the 3rd Godzilla in the Showa era.

Yo can you do more unmade Heisei Godzilla films on your next video like Godzilla vs Barubaroi, Godzilla vs Bio-Monster, and Godzilla vs Deep Sea Life

I wish this idea was true that thing would you know Godzilla have a son and his son goodbye the courts or four find the body and soul of such a powerful being from another time in from another error it is what it is it’s a beautiful friendship and fatherhood that could never can only happen once every egg least a while I think it should come back in the monster verse and how cool that be❤

TBH, not so sure, I think 54 G was the father of this timeline’s version of Godzilla in a way.

I didn't not know Godzilla 2002 is a son of the original Godzilla aka Godzilla 1954!

@Kaiju-bm4ts

Жыл бұрын

It's not canon

@treystephens6166

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaiju-bm4ts there IS No Godzilla Canon just like there Is No Star Wars Canon Anymore.

@Kaiju-bm4ts

Жыл бұрын

@@treystephens6166 godzilla has multiple canons so what are you even trying to bring up?. Within the kiryu saga specifically, kiryugoji isn't the son of 54 godzilla. Star wars is a different story when it's meant to be 1 big universe and everything is a mess now. Godzilla is a multi-canon franchise with different universes

@KrystianZieba-kc8tx

Жыл бұрын

​@@treystephens6166 there is godzilla canon

@treystephens6166

Жыл бұрын

@@KrystianZieba-kc8tx Heisei but not Showa.

Kiryu:gojira Mechagodzilla 2021: ghidorah

I would say grandson because gojira is from 1954 and kiryu saga Godzilla is from 2002

@Kaiju-bm4ts

Жыл бұрын

The director stated if the two were related kiryugoji would be 54 goji's son, not grandson

I have a theory about the godzilla family. I believe the 1955 godzilla is the brother of 1954 godzilla. Then godzilla 1955 how bighams the new showa godzilla has a son how makes godzilla 1954 his uncle. I also believe that the son of showa godzilla begam the heisei godzilla how also have a son how makes showa godzilla his grandfather and after heisei godzilla diet he's son begam the 2000 or Melania godzilla, bat after hem we have the new Melania godzilla that we don't now his story. So if this godzilla is the son of 1954 godzilla that makes the showa godzilla his uncle heisei godzilla his cousin and 2000 godzilla his nephew

@eugenekubak7857

2 ай бұрын

That's a messed up timeline my head is spinning trynna understand this.

But how did godzilla get separated from his father in the 1940s when he was an infant and how did he survive without his parents to protect him because when he was sighted in 1999 he was alone and did this particular godzilla had not just had a father but also a mother

The father is Godzilla 1954

Just like fnaf bro 🤯

dad???? hes a grandpa/ancestor/dad/uncle of other/some/mostly godzillas

Wait‼️‼️‼️ What⁉️⁉️⁉️

godzilla

@joeysullivanTM

Жыл бұрын

Space Godzilla

@NekoRoboFunDumpster

Ай бұрын

Ghost Godzilla

Let me get this straight. Are you saying the original godzilla inside kiryu is the father of the 2nd godzilla

@redskull378

Жыл бұрын

Yes

"Yet in both cases, the young ones were not the actual offspring..." Bzzzt, wrong. 24 seconds into the video and you already got something wrong. See, this is why I don't like watching Godzilla videos, this shit always happens. Anwyas, the baby in Son of Godzilla is explicitly the child of the 2nd generation Godzilla according to all publicity material surrounding then film and also the... y'know, *title of the god damned movie.* While they would have no real way of knowing for certain, the human characters all refer to the relationship between the two Godzillas as a paternal one, and the whole reason Godzilla even goes to Solgell in the first place is because of the baby, it's a parental instinct. The myth/meme about them being "adopted" is a product of whiny people trying to cope because they don't personally like the way the design looks. Which, sure, whatever, it's a little goofy, but coping does not equal continuity. Nobody involved in the production of the film has ever claimed this, the film itself does not claim this. You can choose to interpret art whoever you want but don't misrepresent the work itself and for the love of Mothra don't LIE to people. I don't care if YOU don't think the SoG baby is Godzilla 2nd's son, the MOVIE says that he is, and if you have a problem with that, fine, but don't present it as a fact. The Minilla in DAM is a different individual and its relationship to the adult Godzilla in that film is unknown. Junior is explicitly just another Godzillasaurus - not even a full Godzilla - and no claim was ever made that they have a direct ancestry with the 3rd generation Godzilla. The Minilla from Final Wars kinda *can't* be Godzilla's son because he was on ice the whole time... and he does stuff that only characters from Ichiro's dream were capable of doing before... so good luck figuring that out. But that first baby? 100% Godzilla's son. ...omg, the robot isn't haunted, it goes berserk because it uses cells from the marrow to create a cloned neural network, it's a living Godzilla brain, not a ghost. Holy hell, did you even watch the movie?

@Zyman4

5 ай бұрын

Who pissed you off so badly that you had to make a paragraph correcting a 10 month old video?

you are da father

Out of context that is terrible