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It's 2 am so too late to get through the whole video right now, but Winogrand also shot with the 3rd version 28 Elmarit. It shows up in some video where he's shooting. That lens renders a smooth tonal range, can show flare shooting into the light, is sharp but not the sharpest. I used to use it with an M8 and the photos had a real nice film like quality… By the way, I took a one hour a week class for 10 weeks with Winogrand at UCLA. I never actually registered for it, and he never checked attendance. One week he told us he wouldn't be around for the following week because he had some "monkey business" to do in NYC. I also remember him mentioning he just abandoned his car on the street one time when it had died.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ray! Thanks for sharing those amazing memories!! And about the 28mm

Very informative as always. Well done Matt!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lucy!

Excellent content💁🏼

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Frank!

I scored a canon 25 a bunch of years ago and have grown to love it to the point it's just about my normal lens on my Leica CL. It's a perfect fit, very compact, meters wonderfully and is one of the sharpest lenses out there. The fall-off at smaller f-stops is noticeable especially but not that bad.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

7 ай бұрын

The size is near unmatched. Beautiful little lens!

Great video , the Canon LTM lenses are very worthwhile. I'd fully agree with your assessment of the Canon 28/2.8 ltm, sharp centre wide open , lots of vignetting and edge softness until f5.6/8. I also have the later Canon 35/3.5 (black) LTM. It has a very different character with much less vignetting and better edge sharpness. So both are good but really will give very different results when shot at 5.6 or wider.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Adrian!

Ach, been looking for one at a good price for ages! Thanks for the video, Matt

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Calum, it's decent stopped down, esp. on film

I own this lens and I love to use it for black & white film. It's comapct and have very nice feel to it.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Great, yes I love the size and look too on Leica iii cameras. (TTA 28 is good for M mount)

Very interesting lot of lenses indeed!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lugen! :) A small sample!

There is a really good video of Gary lecturing (a photography class?) somewhere on KZread. Definitely worth watching (and rewatching). Gary was the GOAT.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll check it out

@punkrachmaninoff

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom WINOGRAND AT MIT.

So pleased you did this, there have been people who’ve written that he used Leica 28mm lenses, which isn’t correct. Thanks for showing the character of the lens, which also shows that you don’t need the sharpest lens to make sharp pictures or great art.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Will, no problem!

@a.j.fontana

Жыл бұрын

Garry did use a Leica 28mm lens in LA as seen in this video here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYaBm62ciai_iNY.html I've deduced that it's an Elmarit V3. Maybe a V2 but I'm going with V3. Not that this matters. Whether he was using a Canon or Leica lens. Garry was gonna get something amazing.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

@@a.j.fontana thanks!

@willbaren

Жыл бұрын

@@a.j.fontana Good point. I've seen this short movie before, taken when he had mostly stopped developing his film. So yes, I was probably a bit too categoric in what I said. Matt's picture shows him earlier on when he still used an M3. Near the end of his life he started using a black camera. And of course his early work was with a 35 mm lens. Real life is diverse. I agree it would not have made a tiny bit of difference if he'd used a different camera, except he photographed so close the quietness of the shutter probably didn't annoy people as much as some other brand.

Matt I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the new 28mm f2.8 from Voigtlander, which I hear is now available. I nearly bought a Canon 28 based on your enthusiasm, but now I’m holding off until you get a chance to compare the two. Thanks for all your content!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Barry, yes hold off the video will come soon. I have the lens

Hello im not a Leica fan but im fan of your video. Thank You becouse i bought really good lens after your video. Voightlander Nokton. Really good lens and im proud of my photo now. Cheers mate o/

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Codie! I appreciate your kind feedback

I need one of these lens. I have Canon’s 35/2.8 ltm. Another awesome ltm lens.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I used to have the Canon 35mm f2.8 and f1.8. Both a really nice size.

Recently sold my 25mm Canon LTM lens. With film it was adequate, but no longer shoot film. On digital it left a lot to be desired. Replaced it with Samyang 24mm f2.8. Besides being 2/3 of a stop faster, 1mm wider and less vignetting...does a much better job on my Sony A7II. Even wide open (f2.8) I am more than satisfied.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard, I loved the 25mm too for the design but didn't use it enough so eventually sold it. Luckily i'd planned to make this video since March so I still had the footage on my phone!

Excellent price/quality ratio also has the Voigtlander 25/4.0 Snapshot Skopar LTM. Very compact and light, no rangefinder coupling but very easy to estimate correct focus distance with this lens. Still at an affordable price. Hidden gem in the Voigtlander line IMO.

@jonlouis2582

Жыл бұрын

You said it. I love mine.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I need to use mine more, then i'll put a video together. I think optically it will beat the Canon at the edges

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Me too! I love the weight/ size

@MB-or8js

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom It works actually also very well with infrared film (and IR filter attached).

Have the canon 25mm 3.5….. love the colours. Great on the M8…. Ok on the M10…. Needs to be stopped down to 5.6 … edges soft at 3.5

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon, yes the 25mm is better on M8 or CL for sure.

All of what you say about the 28mm f/2.8 Canon is true. Except for vignetting. But wait! I shoot it on an M8.2 or Pixii, APSH and APSC, so that problem is eliminated. What I am left with is a sharp lens on the M8.2 which i sceamingly good for B&W in addition to good color. I have just got the Pixii running, with help from Barth at PIxii, so will be testing further.. In the past this lens was good. All of what you said applies. Great revue, as always. Thanks.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Zoltan! Yes on the M8 and CL it's great as the crop removes most of the softness, vignetting. Nice setup!

It’s crazy. I bought this lens and all my horizons are crooked and whopper-jawed as they say in Texas.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Really? I use mine with film and see no issues?

I guess I have to go pre-Winogrand with my vintage Leitz/Leica 28mm f/6.3 Hektor. It's a lens with so much "character" I can't bring myself to spring for any other 28 except the TT Artisan 28mm f/5.6 because it was too cute and cheap to pass up.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Nice! I've never used the Hektor but the size is amazing .. and agree on the TTA! I like it.

01:29 Very good!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry!

Matt- Nice review as usual, but I must disagree on an important point; you twice referred to a later 28/3.5 with possibly better performance. I was not aware of any such lens so I delayed this response and pulled out my copy of “Canon M39 Rangefinder lenses 1939-1971” by Peter Kitchingman (2008), the definitive source on the topic (available new from the author in Oz). The lens you show is what Peter describes (p47) as type 5 of the 28/3.5. This lens has the same optical design as it’s predecessors, differing in the new light alloy mount with different filter size. It is lighter (116g vs 150g) but slightly longer (32mm vs 26mm). The change was made in early 1957 to go with the new Series V designs (VT, L2 etc). The same cosmetic changes were made to the 50/1.8 and 35/2.8 lenses at about the same time. This lens was sold concurrently with the 28/2.8 into 1960. So there is no need to look for a better 28/3.5 as one does not exist. Interestingly the 28/2.8 was only made in the chromed brass mount (never the new light alloy) for it’s entire production from 1956-1975. Peter also describes the 28/3.5 as beimg issued in limited numbers (up to 342) in Contax/Nikon RF mount, but NOT the 28/2.8. Btw, your 28/2.8 is type 2, produced from 1961 through 1970. Cheers!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Hi Adam, thanks for being so awesome! I was limited to online info but I tried to pick good sources (Canon etc). I recognise the 342 units made number so thanks for confirming its only the 3.5. Very interesting about the same optics different design lenses, I have the black 50/1.8, 50/1.4, did have the 35/1.8, 35/2.8. Can you confirm then that the 3.5 is better or not vs 2.8 for me and other readers? My copy is better on film vs digital.

@AGL93311

Жыл бұрын

I only have the 28/2.8 and have never tried a 28/3.5, sorry.

Have you ever used the Nippon Kogaku Nikon W-Nikkor 28mm f3.5 Leica L39 LTM Screw Mount Lens? Would love to see a review on it, theres not much out there about it.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

11 ай бұрын

I nearly bought one a while ago. I got the 35 2.5 instead and a 28mm f3.5 Skopar in CRF mount. I've not done a video for either yet.

@kevin.itruth6880

11 ай бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I'm also looking at the Voigtlander Skopar 28 3.5 but for LTM. I hear it's rare not much info out there either for it but it's quite expensive but beautiful lens.

I’d like to hear a bit more about bright-line viewfinders if possible, Matt. Have you already done a review on accessory viewfinders ? Thanks

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Hi Cris, yes please see VF video.

@crissignori7482

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom can't find it .... sorry

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

@@crissignori7482 try searching Voigtländer viewfinders.. that should work

Very interesting Video again! Thanks Matt! I was thinking about this 28mm ... iam still looking for good ltm´s. At the moment I use a Jup 3 50mm 1.5 on my Canon 7s(z). But I’m still looking for an 35mm and not sure if the 35mm f2 or the Voigtlander Ultron 35 1.7 is the better pick. The 28mm was in my head, because I think if don’t use the frame lines at all in the viewfinder of the 7s it’s close to 28mm. And there is something special about the aesthetics of this old all silver canon lenses... I just love the look. I think the plan is: get rid of the jup 3, get a 50mm 1.4 and a 35mm f2 and a 28mm 2.8. Ohuuu that would be a stellar combo, I think. But I’m still not that deep into the LTM world. I have the feeling that I may miss some gems!

@john_murch

Жыл бұрын

I have the 35/2 (almost glued to my Canon P due to it's nice character}, and the 50/1.4 which is also great and very sharp. I'm still not convinced the Canon 28/2.8 is acceptable for me due to the lack of edge sharpness. But I'm spoiled by my Contax Zeiss 28/2.8 (SLR), which is very sharp across the frame. I think the 28 Elmarit is the answer for me but then I will need a Leica mount to hold it...

@nilssieper6648

Жыл бұрын

​@@john_murch Ohu well... the contax Zeiss glass is very nice indeed! I shoot primarily on canon fd´s. I have some nice glass for that system. But a friend of mine just came to visit and had some of his contax glass with him. The 35mm 2.8 and the 85mm f2 Zeiss. I love the feeling of that lenses in the Hand! I think I will by a 35mm f2. I know that the 35mm f1.8 may be just a bit better even, but I like the feeling of that 35mm f2. the 50mm 1.4 seems like a no brainer for me, but I still have to put some money a side for that.

@john_murch

Жыл бұрын

@@nilssieper6648 The 35/1.8 is not better, the 35/2 is the best Canon 35 ltm. Good luck saving for it...

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Nils, I still need to do a Jupiter 3 video. Canon 35s are smaller than the Ultron. The Skopar 35 LTM is good too. I have it.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John, see my 15 Leica iii hacks video. Use modern 28s via adapter to LTM

Seems that there was something wrong with Gary's lens. His horizons were off by 20 to 30 degrees. Maybe it wasn't fully twisted onto the mount. 😀

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Ha thanks Albert!

Another sharp wide angle LTM lens for the Leica is the W. Acall Kyoei 35mm f3.5, It weighs 5.8 ounces.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John! I've not tried that one.

@johnrflinn

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom It runs for about $250 USD. It has 8 aperture blades as well.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

@@johnrflinn thanks. I normally prefer 28mm but good to know, thanks!

Many thanks, really interesting! For me, what would be really useful is if you could give some detail on the type of adapter needed to attach these lenses to an M series camera (for example). I have some vintage canon lenses (FD etc) but do not know what adapter to look form to attach to my M. many thanks

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, thanks. Be careful as only vintage Canon RF lenses work with the Leica RF system. Canon SLR lenses wont focus. For all screw mount lenses from Leica, Canon, Soviet etc a cheap Chinese adapter is fine. Get one with the focal length number on the adapter so 28mm lens need "28-90" adapter so it shows the correct framelines.

@chriswilcockson8595

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hi, thank you. Are these the Canon Ltm lenses?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswilcockson8595 yes correct

Thanks Matt. How does the Voigtlander 25mm compare to the Canon LTM?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Great question. I need to use my 25mm more so I can review it. Slightly bigger but I think less fall off.

i was looking at getting this lens. hopefully it doesn’t get sold now lol

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Oh no, sorry for the bad timing Kevin! I'd been promising the video in the MrLeica.com monthly newsletter for 3 months so I had to get it off the overdue list!

Was that a keks viewfinder? Are those any good? Speaking of viewfinders, have you tried the new ttartisan viewfinders? Any thoughts? Thanks for the videos!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Hi Francisco, yes I show the KEKS finder in some videos so probably. Good, no. Better than nothing, yes. The best are Voigtlanders but they add size to the setup so for running sometimes I use KEKS finders. Not tried TTA finders, their meter is OK.

@fcolpz

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, voigtlander are definitely the best option! But it's good to know the keks are better than nothing in a pinch. When im ready to buy my 28mm i think I'll give the tta a try. If they're bad, im only out 40 bucks. Thanks again for the great work!

Have you tested Zeiss lenses for M cameras???

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Some, the ones I own - 21 & 25mm Biogons + a vintage Sonnar 50mm f1.5 so far

Hello Matt, I would like to buy a Canon lens for my old Leica iii and Sony A7. I have 2 offers: Canon 28mm 2.8 LTM or Canon 35mm 1.8 LTM. Which would you prefer? I mostly photograph landscape or street, rarely portrait

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

5 ай бұрын

I think stopped down they might be similar. Wide open the 1.8 is soft. Similar size. I had both.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

5 ай бұрын

See 1.8 video I did.

@WU_Foto

5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot 👍

More Bristol!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Adam. Yes I enjoyed it. I’ll have to try to go again.

Is that range finder coupled?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was designed for the 1950s Canon RF cameras. Works fine on any screw mount RF camera.

Now this is a lens that 7Artisans and TTArtisan ought to be 'copying'! 😀

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Haha yes! TTA made the great 28/5.6 but in the wrong mount! :)

I did not like this lens. Its too un-sharp at the edges and extreme corners, and the vignette is too much at 2.8. It feels more like a still life or product photography lens or something. Its got some 3D pop but the edges are too distracting. Its a little too dreamy for a street lens I don't shoot Leica, but I'm a fan of Leica and I shoot Pentax for the 3D pop lenses. This Canon 28mm reminds me of the Pentax 85mm soft focus lenses, at its largest aperture.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Steven, yes it is almost overly soft at the edges so for sure not for everyone.

So THAT'S why it's the most ungodly expensive ltm ever

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Haha no the 25mm is twice the price and as rare as hen's teeth! (Mine was imported from Japan)

Waste of money lol

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

At 2.8 yes but stopped down it's sharp.. but for M shooters the TTA is probably cheaper. I like that lens but which it was LTM.

@Msaxplayer1

Жыл бұрын

If you had to pick between orion 15, TT art. , or this lens which would you choose first?

*sigh...* You're still using that "cine" lens for talking head, are you? I was wondering what's wrong with my eye sight or glasses, but it's not me, it's the image quality that "cine" lens produces. It's too fuzzy, it's very distracting as the eyes do not know where to focus on for lack of definition! ;)

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

Sorry TW, I like to experiment. I'll change the setup for the next video.

@weisserth

Жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom You know it's a pet peeve in jest, but yes, a slightly sharper image with more contrast will make it easier on the eyes to watch... I am getting old...

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

@@weisserth next video is for you (next 2*) 👍🏻🙂