Normally I see "eco" and "smart" as just dumb marketing terms plastered on whatever they can. But this one is actually smart AND eco

@oneirophon8912

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I still cringe at the name, though.

@birdrocket

3 жыл бұрын

It’s still a single-family home dominated suburb, so I don’t think it can exactly be called “eco”. The majority of those people are going to be driving for every single errand, and their large homes with no shared surfaces mean a higher demand for energy. Additionally, the sheer size of single family homes means more wild land is converted to built up area, lowering biodiversity and reducing natural habitats for the local fauna.

@oneirophon8912

3 жыл бұрын

@@birdrocket well, by that token, you could say nothing humans do warrants the "eco" label since there's almost always *something* bad for the environment involved. But suburbs of this sort will continue to exist and be in high demand in the US whether projects like this reduce their energy consumption or not. The higher land usage of these areas compared to apartment complexes is a drop in the bucket next to the deforestation caused by agriculture, and the lower heating and cooling efficiency of free-standing structures is greatly mitigated by the fact that with these geothermal pumps, they still use only a fraction of the energy for heating and cooling of a typical apartment. Suburban America isn't going anywhere, so I think we should be welcoming projects like this that reduce its emissions.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket hi there - homeowners own all of the equipment above ground. EcoSmart Solution owns, monitors, and maintains the GeoGrid below. We are not associated with the HOA, and we have detailed service level agreements in the form of covenants with the land to provide quality utility service within thresholds for the residents. The GeoGrid performed spectacularly during the snowpocalypse and kept residents warm without exorbitant prices nor strain on the grid.

@birdrocket

3 жыл бұрын

@@oneirophon8912 it’s a bit disingenuous to say that car-dependent suburbs are in high demand when we make it illegal to build anything else in the vast majority of the US and Canada. This pattern of development has well-studied negative effects on the environment, our physical and mental health, the social fabric of our cities, and our housing markets *when compared to other patterns of development*. I’m not saying it’s bad because it’s worse than leaving the land as wild, I’m saying it’s bad because it’s worse than the alternative patterns of development that defined our cities for thousands of years prior to the early 20th century when zoning laws were invented.

Thank you so much for sharing what EcoSmart Solution is and does, Dave. Absolute pleasure speaking and working with you - wish you the best!

@JustHaveaThink

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David. It's a very forward looking project and I was happy to share it with the channel's viewers. All the best.

@Rem_NL

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy all the tax dollars hard working people have to pay to make this happen so these wealthy families can pay lower energy bills. All while "creating" new jobs 🤡

@ecosmartdavid1283

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rem_NL I'm not sure if I understand - the system isn't paid with tax dollars, and in fact, there is a significant incentive tax credit available for folks that purchase one of these homes. All walks of life live in our community and receive the benefits of their solar and geothermal systems. :)

@Rem_NL

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecosmartdavid1283 where do you think the incentives come from... TAX dollars.. Most of the green industry gets so many subsidies tax incentives that the every day joe work so well off folks can buy these houses. And hardly pay for energy bills. The argument "Just have a think made in his vid" about creating new jobs is pretty comical seeing it is basically impossible to "create" these jobs without massive subsidie IV's.. I am pretty sure your company got some nice tax incentives subsidies too.

@hansdenotter7376

Жыл бұрын

@@JustHaveaThink could you please keep us updated with relevant facts and figures of this project, in the near future?! I’m very interested in results!

Still one of the most informative channels I've ever seen after all this time!! Keep going ❤❤

@JanneWolterbeek

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@ElGato1947

3 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to figure out how Dave maintains this pace. He's got the weekly Just Have A Think, the 2X monthly Just Have Another Think, plus the special content for his Patreon subscribers. He does all his own script writing, research, finding video inserts & scientific charts, editing, et al. He does all this at the highest quality standards.

Cool. Big developments in Florida are often situated around multiple manmade ponds (for stormwater management). Some innovative developer ought to utilize the ponds for geothermal HVAC. It’d be cheaper and easier than the usual geothermal systems that require so much digging.

@ThreeRunHomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@JKHTX Unfortunately you don’t know what you’re talking about. Using ponds for geothermal HVAC is a proven and effective system. Ponds remain relatively constant temperature down deep.

@TheGhungFu

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThreeRunHomer That depends on how many housing units are trying to utilize that thermal resource, along with many other variables. Unless you do that math, for each case, YOU are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about. There are also factors involving wildlife, algae growth, other environmental factors, etc. One home using a three acre-ft pond isn't the same as 200 homes using a 20 acre-ft pond.

@ThreeRunHomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGhungFu 🤣 you’re a dope.

@TheGhungFu

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThreeRunHomer Nope. I'm an engineer. You?

@ThreeRunHomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGhungFu you seem overly agitated. Did you forget your meds today? (I’m an HVAC contractor in Florida).

Thanks for the video containing good news! The only weak point of the area you showed is the lavish use of land.

If I was a having a brand new home built today I would definitely invest in a geothermal system.

Love this channel! 1st for the last word on innovation and the cutting edge. Because yesterday is already too late (globally)

We have a geothermal system with a mini German made turbine and Heat Pump which converts high pressure steam to energy to power the huge home, garage and 8 grow rooms with tonnes of electricity we bank in our batteries. Swiss made hyper performing cells. It has never failed us.

@Elviloh

3 жыл бұрын

How do you get steam ? You dug to the mantle or you have thermal solar panels, which isn't geothermal anymore ?

@garethbaus5471

3 жыл бұрын

@@Elviloh you don't need to get close to the mantle to get steam especially if you live in a volcanic region. That being said I only know of one company that even makes geothermal power plants of this size and they aren't a German company, and aren't cost competitive with the grid (although their system is more affordable on a cost per kwh basis than a compatable set of diesel genorators)

@m.pearce3273

3 жыл бұрын

@@Elviloh a bore hole 150 ft deep to where the temp is 100C the boling temp of water. Cold water is put down the stream rises and turns the turbines

Something that needs to happen on a much wider scale. Personally it would find it soul destroying to live in any suburbia like this... All still designed for individual car ownership.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

Neednt worry, such suburbia isnt for the masses, smart cities where all your needs are provided and your security and compliance is guaranteed. Best wishes.

@Furiends

3 жыл бұрын

This is actually something that baffles me. Elon Musk's Boring Company seems to have the wrong business strategy. Car tunnels are retarded, but building utility tunnels quickly and efficiently is something they could actually do. One benefit to the thermal loops is then cities can situate the wells where they can have the machinery to dig them and maintain them. However carving up streets to put in the loops would be hideously expensive.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@Furiends A business aimed at making money repeatedly via designed obsolescence is baffling to you? How about a health service designed at not curing you but instead making you a repeat customer? Best wishes.

@Nilsy1975

3 жыл бұрын

What about when electric cars or hydrogen fuel cell cars become mainstream?

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nilsy1975 But they dont remove your freedom? You are either inside or outside of the hive? Best wishes.

Thank you, Dave. Enjoyed the video, very hope filling.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

Really. I live in a "New Town". It built smart bus routes, smart social housing with communal heating and outdoor spaces and smart shopping precincts. Within a few decades they were demolished or changed to the norm. Cheap regular public transport replaced by expensive, unreliable, largely empty buses. Planned cities have proven no to work time over, and by definition have been extremely bad for the environment? Best wishes.

As a resident of Whisper Valley this was highly informative. I always struggle when people ask me how the geothermal grid works. All I know is it does!

@ecosmartdavid1283

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John! Glad that this was informative to you - thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Great news. Thank you for you valuable service.

In China they apparently do this, but 15-20 storey high apartments within huge gated communities. All Eco-houses, surrounding a no car common garden for all with cars parked underneath and with elevators going straight to the apartment. Times they are a-changing.

Thank you!

Excellent consistency throughout the years...with the real truth regarding options for your future!!! Outstanding bravo team!!! Peace Solidarity Truth cheers

Wow what a wonderful, well thought-out Project. Every new subdivision should be patterned after this one!

As always, thumbs up

Geothermal heatpumps for heating is very(!) common in Sweden. My parents has a air-thermal heatpump for heating and it works down to ~ -16 c and we rarely get down to those temperatures. Heating is by far the largest cost for a home/living cost

As soon as I can work I'll join Patreon. There are a few channels that really deserve the money.

@JustHaveaThink

3 жыл бұрын

Bless you Bruges. Your support as a subscriber is greatly appreciated :-)

Excellent. Nice find

Thank you for another great video focused on what we can do to help the environment. I really appreciate it after that Brazil one. This sounds like a great idea, _especially_ for Texas where the local grid is unreliable. I remember a number of years back a developer in my part of the world was building a housing development with geothermal heating, but it was just a bunch of individual systems of the horizontal kind. This Texas development is a step beyond that because of the way it connects the houses together. That and the precise computer control really does sound clever. An entire neighborhood linked together (plus the five miles of pipe) will provide a massive reservoir of heat that can be used to even out any individual fluctuations and give everyone an optimized service. I hope this idea catches on!

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on!

One of your best 👍

Great video. Nice to have an example of energy efficiency that is (home grown). The States needs to be gently reminded that they have fantastic capabilities to do this type of project themselves.

Brilliant video about a brilliant idea. Bravo 👏👏👏

Good show!!!

Wow, it is great to see developers getting on board with more energy efficient and thoughtful designs! There is so much potential there! There is also a housing development near Calgary Canada that employs solar hot water heaters for domestic use with excess heat being pumped underground for district geothermal heating in the winter. It is a large heat battery that was made by other thoughtful developers up here in the much colder north Texas.

The biggest challenge is the geological strata and the perforation of the water-table, similar challenges as per fracking - we've been doing this work here in Australia for many years

Great! And I think the use of heating the ground beneath us with renewable energy as a natural battery can combined nicely with geothermal energy projects.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo!

Excellent implantation of the (surface) geothermal heating and cooling for a residential community. I prefer my own, but for that case is good.

Bloody brilliant!

thank you for great video, posted to reddit

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there - can you link the post? I work for EcoSmart Solution and I'd be happy to do QA!

Must be sweet being able to afford that

@Rem_NL

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry Biden is very generous with other peoples tax money that go the families that need it most, like the people buying these mansions with lower utility costs...

Thanks😎👍

Very interesting!

fascinating.

This is pretty awesome. I've been looking at high efficiency heat pump water heaters and air-source heat pumps for HVAC at my home, but as retrofit. I will likely continue with both projects because I expect improved living conditions - more stable temperatures due to how the systems will be running on a more continuous basis (less fluctuation in temperatures). But it's clear the economics of a centralized infrastructure, financed over many years and shared with multiple homes makes more sense; particularly when combined with smart controls, solar, and storage. Love the vision. Execution looks dead on, as well. Great video.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

As always; interesting, informative and hyperbole free. Thank you.

Amazing what can be accomplished when you plan ahead with a Master Plan.

Great ideas and seems to be the way that urban and community planning is going. I remember seeing concepts for new cities being built so they are more sustainable and have everything people need to live in them. Work, schools, shopping, agraculture would all be inside. They looked like domes or pyramids. I think we're slowly moving that way.

Very interesting and outstanding idea to build it into each subdivision. Decentralizing the power grid is a must. Last year the Texas Deep Freeze showed us once again how vunerable utility grids can be.

Whisper valley is great idea although first year costs should be kept down as the ppl may have to put up with the usual first yr problems, great informative video you explain so well thank you

Dave all do respect I don’t think we can do this before it’s to late. Not being negative but here’s my point. It took two world wars for the world to become and 90 per cent of countries for financially industrialised. How many wars will it take to “take a step backwards from financial industrialisation” not trying to decrease morale however these are the facts. For us to take a step back there must be violence. All few respect keep up the good work. And I hope the politicians start worrying about there job. But when we get threw will it be to late???

awesome

Petrichor being the smell you get when it rains after a dry period. Seems that name has not been used for a Boulevard before, but there is a Crescent in Ottowa, Canada and an Allee in Brignoles, France.

Such an impressive approach. As a DYI solar energy buff, I quickly learned that the key to solar thermal energy systems is the inter-seasonal storage requirement. As stated in your video, it is very difficult to retrofit an existing structure, especially one built in 1895!! Likewise, it is very difficult to engage local government bureaucracy to consider a regional solution. So this developer has got it right, and engaged with the right technology solution provider to attract those new home owners with a vision toward smart and efficient energy usage. Well done!!!

It's great to see a housing development that taps into renewables, right from the design phase. Folks in N. Europe have been similarly using district heating for a while now. Then we can extend the concept to district wind and solar, with certain homes, community centers, or special purpose built structures providing utilities for an entire shared community. Maybe someday we can avoid the further spread of trying to fit square solar panels on triangular roofs ;) or at least minimize the impact to the architecture of home sweet home. And then there's similarly built, but as yet totally untapped, community geothermal for generating electrical power (or cogeneration heat/power), which will not only cut down on CO2 emmissions but will keep our friends in the drilling and piping businesses fully employed and growing for evermore - as well as continuing to utilize all the geological tech development we've acquired over the last hundred fifty or so years. Maybe in the end it'll all work out :)

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

Square solar panels on to triangular roofs....that is some perspective? Best wishes. Town I lived in had a new estate with CHP scheme. Within twenty years they demolished the lot. How much CO2 emmissions did that save? Perhaps free will is a bad thing? Perhaps the "Fourth Industrial Revolution" is a good thing? Which one would you choose, Huxley's vision or Orwell's? Best wishes.

@Charlie-Oooooo

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmycorkhill1390 As for free will and revolutions in general, from what little I know of either, I would say that the final outcome determines the benefit. With regard to Orwell and Huxley, maybe if we seek truth from those who have great power over us then they will always try to conceal the truth from us, if their power would be reduced by such revelation. But seek truth from all those around us who do not have such power (or at least those who might wish to gain such power over us), and maybe the sheer volume of information provided will always render us incapable of timely, practical decision, and hence will have little meaningful utility. And sadly, for those who consider themselves to be "true and noble seekers of truth": admittedly and unashamedly uninfected by the selfish ways of human "progress" (but in no way immune to its seduction), they will always stand alone somewhere between knowledge and ignorance; they will never know for certain whose words to accept as being ultimately correct but (ironically and perhaps unfairly) will always expect their own words to be readily taken to heart and thoroughly digested (perhaps with salt, as needed). So I guess we can never stop progress, regardless of whether or not we believe in it's promises, unless/until progress stops us - from progressing ;) Cheers :) - CP

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@Charlie-Oooooo I suggest that there never is a "final outcome" and that "benefit" is very subjective? That "progress" is a primitive view point? These have all been tools of the salesmen, the indoctrinaters and the controllers? That we are generally not victims, but contributors in the making of our worlds? Best wishes.

@Charlie-Oooooo

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmycorkhill1390 Yes, exactly. This is what, in part, I was implying. I will have to work on weaving faciciouness into my English writing. Best wishes.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@Charlie-Oooooo I find applying tone difficult, many get emotional when communicating, which can be a barrier to understanding. It is great to have opportunity to consider/challenge anothers and ones own thoughts and ideas. Best wishes.

The initiative is fantastic, now they just need attractive looking houses that aren’t battleship grey.

An energy efficient home is more comfortable and saves money in the long run. Added insulation, triple glaze windows, energy efficient doors, energy efficient heating and cooling systems, energy efficient appliances, LED lighting, solar panels combined with battery storage and a electric vehicle charger in the garage or car park. People are too focused on the short term costs and miss out on long term savings. Blower door testing and air sealing are under appreciated tools.

@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Houses should be designed and built for the long run.

@KJSvitko

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores Houses should be built so that they can be passed on from generation to generation. A stable family home is important for families memories and generational wealth.

I hope we see a whole lot more of these type of developments in the future.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

We hope so too :)

Remarkable.

What about allowing enough additional Solar/Battery capacity for all those KwH guzzling SUVs that will be running round the streets in 2035, and onwards? This scheme on its own does some good things, but it still perpetuates car-bound suburban sprawl.

@kirknay

3 жыл бұрын

that was my concern as well. Can't consider a neighborhood green if everyone is using traditional lawnmowers, and bankrupting their cities with more suburbs.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there! Because the energy consumption of the ground source heat pumps are so much lower than traditional HVACs - the home needs significantly less solar. That leaves room for upgrades or expansions should homeowners want to do that.

@birdrocket

3 жыл бұрын

@@ecosmartdavid1283 the issue here isn’t the solar capacity, it’s the fact it’s a car dependent suburb that isn’t walkable within its bounds and doesn’t have a single connection to Austin’s transit system! That’s bad!

@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores

3 жыл бұрын

It is funny how pick-up trucks are not any more efficient than SUVs and are even more common, yet there is always someone whining about SUVs. I think it is just jealousy.

@kirknay

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores no, it's a combo of dealing with Karens who decide their SUV rules the road, and everyone already knowing that shiny white 6 wheeled pickup is a compensation piece.

You can't beat thinking ahead

Dale Vince is involved in a trial geothermal project in Cornwall. With a view to using it across the country if the new method works as well as hoped. It sounds like it’s large scale but that’s all I know at the moment.

This all sounds great! The only trouble I see with this particular development is that it's located in Texas. Crazy laws comin' down the pike in Texas...

Pretty amazing, would be great to contribute as a community like that.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

We'd be happy to have you!

The high quality keeps coming, thanks for this insight into what can be achieved with the application of technology to the climate challenge. Sounds like you’ve given up the day job!

@JustHaveaThink

3 жыл бұрын

I have indeed. Full time on the channel now :-)

It can be done.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

It can, and shall!

I had an early geothermal system in the late 80s in my house and it wasn't very efficient. Ended up converting to an oil heating system. I'm sure today's systems have improved a lot since the 80s and are worth looking at.

I think it's a smart idea. It would be better overall if solar owners could network their power and battery storage like they're doing here generally. I don't know how difficult that would be to do though... you'd need private power lines or cables in addition to the grid ones, which could cause clutter and complication... but if you could segment a home solar/battery network in coordination with the power companies, then it would be easy to switch between grid power and personally generated power for an entire cell (or neighborhood). You could probably also set up an agreement with grid providers that during peak loads, they could drain some of that cell (neighborhood) power to offset the load and reduce overall grid production during that time. I say 'cell' because each neighborhood with this network system would basically act as a single cell within a larger battery that contains some amount of charge. It's like taking the micro (circuit boards) level logic and applying it to a macro (grid) level system. It could potentially be revolutionary.

This both excites and frightens me. The prospect of such a widescale solution that is both effective and immediately beneficial to the economy, is basically the holy grail of green design. However I worry about what the side effects may be. Especially considering how destructive dams and hydro power turned out to be. I can imagine all to well how we might mess up soil ecology with something like this. Is there is a way to fuck this up, I am sure we will find it.

@ahmedshinwari

3 жыл бұрын

The soil down under the houses is of no use (as in non-accessible). So, whats the danger for soil ecology (from agriculture point of view)?

Only thing that is missing is few vertical axe wind turbine and community could pay for property tax

This is remenscent of the vision for the future anno 1980! Decentralised self sufficient communities powered by wind and thermal solar. However to beat commuting (when EVs still had 30 mi range) the idea was that Working at home would be the preferred way to earn your vage. That would free Up time for community Work, in Short like a Kibbutz. This modern version Will naturally have shops and small business, but people Will still be commuting and towns like this have a tendency grow into Metropolitan centers over the next 40 years! So this obviously needs strict building codes and and well detailed in advance city planning to stay sustainable.

Reeeeeee top man 👍

Great stuff! Future can be brite

Great idea....but out of reach for a large portion of homeowners...3 bedroom 2 bath 1700 square feet for 497,000.

@markzart33

3 жыл бұрын

Jody, over here in the UK you couldn't even get it built for that price, Apartment buildings In London cost about £2,500 per sq Metre that's around $75 a square foot-excluding land and professional fees- just what we're paying contractors, mind you we rarely build anything that big, more like 1200 fs for a 4 bed 3 bath house. You haev to go right out into the sticks to find places where build costs are less than $50 psf. I am always amazed that you guys can build so cheaply.

@jodydewey3516

3 жыл бұрын

@@markzart33 Sounds like you guys were priced out of the market many moons ago. I am concerned here in the US all this "green new deal" type building stuff is ultimately making it so regular people can't afford to buy and live in a house.

I always enjoy hearing how to utilize the Earth's Energy Grid, but it seldom works out as planned. What would happen if big oil decides to Frack nearby deposits, you never know when a big foot will come out and squash you...

@kirkreyes3368

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps if you learn to use English better, then your point would be better received...

@nickward1277

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think oil companies will have much interest in fracking after that recent court case against Shell in Holland. I think it will have big repercussions throughout the whole stinking industry.

@chinookvalley

3 жыл бұрын

@@kirkreyes3368 Take a chill pill. Perhaps you'd enjoy the point more. Am I being rude? Sorry, it was a gut response. Fracking is a very serious problem and it's ruining our water supplies, killing animals, and destroying our forests. Ain't that a kicker?

@chinookvalley

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickward1277 I sure hope so. They have ruined thousands of water wells here in Colorado with no intentions of stopping. Now they are opening up to MORE mining which is a whole topic unto itself...

@kirkreyes3368

3 жыл бұрын

@@chinookvalley I wasn't attacking Steve-o about fracking or the oil industry, which truly is a concern. I was pointing out that he needs to use the language more effectively. Humanity has to significantly reduce fossil fuels and the way that they're extracted.

The basic idea seems to make a lot of sense. Must say, though, if the underground temp is 22 to 23 C, as they show at 5:20 , that doesn't sound like anything that would help with cooling in summer.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

22C is very cool when the surface temperatures in Texas exceed 40C!

I just wish that geothermal district heating (grade 5 = heat pump based ?) was implimented when they put in Fibre-Optic Cables here in the UK as such a combination of installing technologies makes so much more sense than when done seperately and would help reduce the UKs rising energy consumption.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds simple, but reality is so different. Best wishes.

this type of community has been done years ago in kamloops bc canada. sun rivers by the kamloops indian band

I'm presuming with the figures there quoting the houses are all built to a passive standard so energy use for heating/cooling is very low anyway, you kind of think that insulation is more important in colder climates but it has a huge effect on energy usage needed to cool a house as well.

It's almost as if doing things with pooled resources on a larger, communal scale would be a more efficient...

@TheSpecio

3 жыл бұрын

That's the idea behind projects like Terrapower: a small nuclear power plant that can supply a city with maintenance-free electricity and heating for 60 years. It's also nonsense to build individual houses at all. Apartment blocks are much more efficient!

@keithc5729

3 жыл бұрын

Hey? That sounds un-American.

@noelburke6224

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSpecio you are bang on nuclear is far superior and less maintenance

@ronaldgarrison8478

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if maybe Austin is a place where it's sometimes hard to tell libertarians from communists.

@keithc5729

3 жыл бұрын

Your statement, "maintenance free electricity for 60 years" makes your credibility zero. You obviously do not know how pumps work.

Love this idea, but im trying to buy land out in no mans land :), so im going to put the single house style geothermal in( trying to get a passive hause)

Community systems like this are crucial to maintaining long term stability. I hope they get on adding greenhouses and other community services as it scales up. Local aquaculture could really boost that sustainable local system.

@Furiends

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately community systems and sustainability is more an idea that's part of these developments marketing rather than reality. Weirdly the "old way" of building cities was surprisingly effective at being both financially and environmentally sustainable. This is a car bound development of single family homes on the outskirts of Austin that most people won't be able to afford. 5000 homes is a more like a campus these days than some revolutionary community. That is part of the problem with how the world is scaling today we think we're progressing when its just the scale available to developers due to our larger population which.. is unsustainable. That cancels any benefit such scale has. The cost of a home to a Boomer in their 20s was basically the cost of an expensive car even accounting for inflation. Today average homes go into half a million territory all the time. Its important to understand how financially and environmental sustainability are linked. We are quickly going into a world where rich people will live in hill side mansions traveling around in mini jets while most everyone else will rent a flat in an enormous tower if they're lucky or a slum if they're not and a shrinking minority will be able to afford a car.

I love seeing district heating and cooling systems like this. It really helps to boost the economies of scale and reduce costs and improve performance. I'm curious to know if there is any development into fridge and freezer technology that would allow for homes and buildings to take advantage of outside cold for refrigeration and freezing needs. I live in Toronto. That would be really useful and would cut down on electricity needs.

@noelburke6224

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly these projects are always implemented by the private sector.Biden in all truth is just another politician in it for fame and glory and off course the money

@firefox39693

3 жыл бұрын

@@noelburke6224 Initiatives like this are spurred by government support. I'm not sure why you're mentioning Biden.

Month by month I'm getting a more positive view of the future due to positive designs like these.

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

May we continue to bring you hope!

I wonder if they will use the wastewater treatment plant as a power generation plant. Once the community is fully built out, I bet they could produce a decent amount of power.

Thanks for the video, Dave. I see the benefits in moving off fossil fuels with energy conservation, heat pumps and solar panels in individual houses. All of these make great sense. Builders should adopt these measures ASAP. But the idea of interconnecting individual houses to a central air cooling tower isn't required in most climates (maybe Texas, Florida and Arizona where too much summer thermal energy may thermally pollute a ground source otherwise it's not necessary). For everyone else the district heating system (the interconnected part) is just a new utility, added costs and $50 to $75 per month for the new utility to fleece the ignorant public. The video says the new utility will add redundancy to the home owner's geo system. I beg to differ it will add complexity and cost. A ground source loop is as simple and robust as anything gets. It's a loop of polyethylene pipe in the ground back filled with bentonite clay for better heat transfer. The pipe will last generations without issues. The district heating system on the other hand is steel or plastic piping laid near the surface, with additional pumps, controls, measuring and communications equipment. The pipe is subject to corrosion, possible damage from underground digging operations, the rest is subject to the typical maintenance requirements of that kind of equipment. So will in effect add complexity and maintenance costs. A good investment for a new kind of utility to profit from and the home owner to lose money in.

@canwenot573

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely. This is why I'm not fond of central planning. It typically leads to nepotistic practices. The fact that the homeowners aren't given the ability to opt out of the network makes me wary. As you said: their own ground source loop should be more than sufficient to manage their homes. The idea of adding tons of complexity and maintenance costs to gain some nebulous shared benefit makes no sense.

@Kevin_Street

3 жыл бұрын

That's a very interesting counter opinion, Daniel Vivian. You make some good points. I'm not sure what to think, but you're certainly right about the added complexity. I think the idea of building entire developments where everyone has a geothermal heating system installed from the beginning is a good one, but maybe the interconnections aren't necessary outside of hot climates.

Normally when someone repeatedly tells me something is Very Cleaver it is not a good thing! It means it is prone to system failures. I don't think this is the case here! ;o) I think the clever is in the concept not the mechanics. Here in the UK we had a phase in the 70's for communal heating in housing development .... it didn't work out to well, but the concept was sound. Nowadays we don't have a heating system where the way to turn it down is to open a window and the tech for insulation of underground pipework has come on leaps and bounds too! Yes I like this one! .... one of the reasons is that it remains a flexible system by design! One of the few flaws is that should something go seriously wrong with the underground system you would have a large number of people affected at one time, without the infrastructure to cope with the additional strain, but I expect that the design would allow for segregation of sections of pipework from the system in the event of such a problem.

This is encouraging!

You can also get alot of that efficiency by building attached homes instead which is a much simpler solution. The geothermal tech is fascinating though

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

The project will have both single and multifamily product - as well as transportation and commercial. :)

@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores

3 жыл бұрын

Given how close these houses are to one another, they might as well be attached. However, the wall separating attached houses should be masonry for both fire protection and sound reduction. Unfortunately, the only masonry in these houses appears to be the slab on which they are built.

We'll chat in Patreon!

Just do like in Cities Skylines in cold climates. Build a central geothermal heating plant, and pipe the heated water to the rest of the population.

It's about time we share the geothermal resource it's been hundreds of years now that we planned in community water, waste water, electricity so why not heat/air.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

Why a Wanabe? Best wishes.

Geothermal energy can not only heat the home and hot water, but it could even be used to preheat/heat ovens, jacuzzis, etc too.

@grindupBaker

3 жыл бұрын

That's just false advertising point out by those Cave Trolls in Lord Of The Rings. You gotta watch those sneaks, anything to get you down there with promise of jacuzzis. Worse than both types of space alien. I think Trolls are the worst.

I'm still waiting on Australia geothermal energy. Can you do a show on the two wells they had planned in centre Australia that could power all of Australia. Or Singapore's solar City in outback Australia with the 3500km underwater cables

It leaves so many out. The solar system is designed about like a television. In fact the old tube style is one way to look at space dynamics. The transition from tube to flat was physics lesson. There's layers in both areas that use quantum to linear for the energy flow. Add a Swiss watch for timing because that too adds detail. Gems and movies. .. Hollywood? Nah , not alone. The concept is like a magnet running across television. Or part of our structural atmosphere was combined within clockwork. But really threw the elemental work off. Orion's belt shows some clock work but also more. The compressed gases are like some planets. Tubes sort of, and the power supply runs hard. The turning events that make or break the situation are in affect ...how much so at this time is in question

@grindupBaker

3 жыл бұрын

Bad Boys Ravish Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly. (Well, with various resistance).

I've been thinking along similar lines (in Europe). I was surprised by the temperature recoverable at 350 feet though.quoted at 22° to 25°...the sources seem to say it averages 25°C per 1000m. Is Texas on a thin bit of crust?

And here in Australia we still are contemplating constructing a gas fired power station.

@emceeboogieboots1608

3 жыл бұрын

Well more than one to be honest. And Canavan would be up for some more coal plants!

@kkarllwt

3 жыл бұрын

There is a project or about 5,000 homes that will be grid independent.

At 5:16 "22 to 23 Celsius" the ground 350 feet below me is at 7.0 Celsius. I do that "energy smart". What I do is nap 2-3 hours each afternoon to save up my energy in case I might need some to do something one day. Pretty damn smart.

@incognitotorpedo42

3 жыл бұрын

But don't you live in the Arctic or something? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

@JustHaveaThink

3 жыл бұрын

Well...if you will insist on living in a deep freeze in the back of nowhere, what d'you expect ;-)

@grindupBaker

3 жыл бұрын

@@incognitotorpedo42 No not even close. 46N north Lake Huron. The average annual temperature here is 4.6 degrees. The average annual temperature at 75N in the Arctic Ocean (areal centre) is -7 degrees.

What you are talking about should be called "Ground source heat pump". The term "geothermal energy" should be reserved for systems that gather their heat from boreholes deep enough to eliminate the need for heat pumps.

"Get Go" an Americanism! Grates!

@EleanorPeterson

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. The expression "From the word go..." is what I was taught. I often think that British-run KZread Channels feel obliged to 'get all Merkin' in order to please/appease US-based Patreon supporters. "Hey, buddy - y'all don't talk right! What are ya - some kinda communist? I ain't givin' no Merkin bucks to that! U!S!A! U!S!A!" Er, right. It's an embarrassing compromise and deeply unsatisfactory, and I'm sure that no US-run Channel would dream of using purely British expressions or idiom (such as giving weights in stone, prices in pounds sterling, or expressing dates in the UK-standard Day, Month, Year format instead of the US-favoured arse-backwards Month, Day, Year form). Divide and rule. Cultural assimilation, Borg-style. British English dictionaries make a point of giving US-specific words, meanings, and uses, but do Webster's Pidgin US-English dictionaries do the same? I don't know. (And I'm kidding, anyway!) But the French are extremely protective of the purity of their language (vive l' Académie Française!), and I think the Icelandic language is still largely unchanged from Old Norse. The online world of mobile phones and tablets already uses Merkin spell-checkers and Google searches invariably give Merkin results to British questions. Sigh. Ah well. Never mind, eh? Sic transit gloria whatsit. English evolves; we don't use much Chaucerian stuff these days, and in another 400 years the language will be equally unrecognisable. Yep, even to Texans. But it'll still be here. I wonder if we'll have sorted out our energy needs by then... 🤔

@ronaldgarrison8478

3 жыл бұрын

@@EleanorPeterson We have sick transit here, too. IAC these days "language evolves" is an excuse for anything you want to spew.

$50 to $70 per month? 12 months per year? Did I hear right? Here we pay $1.05 per therm for natural gas. Peak winter use is about 70 therms per month. But that does not hold long. For more than half the year, no heating is required. So, it would seem that this nominal price for the 'services' is as high as possible. Of course, there is the benefit of no CO2 emissions, and that is very important.

@kkarllwt

3 жыл бұрын

It gets near or above 100 f. for more that 150 days a year in Austin. People pay $300 electric bills for cooling.

We are still missing technology and machinery that would make geothermal a cheaper possibility in already-built individual houses. Some kind of robotic borer that you put in the garden or the garage, digs vertically and horizontally, insert 100 meters or so of pipes that end up in a loop back at the garage's heat pump, with all the proper computations of slopes and efficiency based on the soil. Make that 150 m for my poorly conductive clay soil. Even before starting any work, a simpler borer could be used to dig vertically and provide an estimate of the system's future efficiency based on the best possible depths for the pipes. But for new houses or housing developments, this is cheaper to set up and should be strongly considered. It makes so much sense to retrieve the soil's heat in winter and the coolness in summer. Middle seasons, not so much, but do we still have those with global warming? ;-) And if you don't have a garden to bury your pipes, plan to do it under the wine cellar before starting building the house!

@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores

3 жыл бұрын

There is definitely a need to retrofit existing housing with ground source heat pumps, especially in the colder climates. If only I had the money to start my own company ...

sorry to be negative and while this is a great idea Britain will probably be way behind the curve on this one. We are still building crap cheap houses. This system should be mandatory for commercial buildings eg Hospitals etc.

$60/month service fee means heating/cooling is not that cheap, and the worry for all homeonwers beholden to a estate level system is that management charges always rise and you can't opt out. But doing it all during building phase is obviously the way to go

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that all homes are also equipped with a solar system sized accordingly to the Heat Pumps expected energy consumption. This effectively removes the home from peak demand hours - which can be pricy here in Texas! Our test home's utility costs are less than my apartment which is a third of the square footage.

Great initiative, I wonder what has stopped that being developed throughout the UK.

@rhmagalhaes

3 жыл бұрын

Check Fully Charged Channel. Robert has done a piece about it somewhere in UK.

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

In a world of fakery, manipulation and greed, perhaps the answer to your wonder becomes obvious? Best wishes.

@pebner2

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmycorkhill1390 I agree there is a lot of fakery and manipulation however I'm not sure which way you mean. Is this tech not being adopted in the UK because everyone else is better at marketing, these guys are poor at marketing, it's too expensive or it just doesn't work as intended. Either way I'm not sure it's obvious!

@jimmycorkhill1390

3 жыл бұрын

@@pebner2 Do you mean marketing an idea or a product/service. A good proportion of the uk housing stocks owners were sold the idea that they should install gas central heating and electric immersion heater hot water storage system. Worked perfectly fine. Then sold the idea that they needed to replace this with combi boiler on demand heating hot water system, then shortly after that these were dirty and they needed condensing combi boiler. Then they needed a rip off servicing contract with regular boiler replacements. Now they are told all gas is bad and they have contributed to Greta's stolen childhood? Electric heating is to be the new normal? or what about geothermal, how much will it cost per unit net present value? The CO2 MM global warming thing is a marketing scam that is working very well, to save Greta's future, you will be persuaded that smart cities in which you will own nothing but be happy is the answer. That giving up your freedom for security and convenience is in your interest, and if you are fully compliant, you will be allowed privileges according to your social credit score. Is this the future that you wish for you and yours? Best wishes.

@pebner2

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmycorkhill1390 some great insights 👍. I guess most problems that exist in the world could also be a scam to make money for people. I personally choose to believe the best with a healthy dose of skepticism that allows me to interrogate solutions critically. As soon as you get to global issues it becomes quite tricky to see the wood from the trees I get that. You have to believe in something based on all the information available to you. Keep happy and smiling buddy 👍

Hi. Have you heard of sand thermal energy storage? The sand is heated to 600 C by air pipes - the rest is similar to the system you described in this video. I think this is a more effective solution. Polar night energy company is the one who invented it.

@TheGuyThatEveryoneIgnores

3 жыл бұрын

Owner-builders did this back in the 1970s. How is the air going into the sand being heated? Is there insulation around the sand? Water has a higher heat capacity than sand. I talked to someone who stored thermal energy from solar water panels in an underground container filled with water and sand, but it did not work well because ground water got through the cracks in the insulation.

@kkarllwt

3 жыл бұрын

This system in Austin is a cooling system. Also, see 247solar.

I wonder if geo smart will work well in Canada

It will just be a short future!

Maybe I watch too many JHAT videos, but now I wonder about a geothermal setup powering a sterling engine, which powers a gravitricity style kinetic battery...

@ecosmartdavid1283

3 жыл бұрын

Now that's an interesting idea - I'll just go have a think about that now... :)