Are you sure that barbie was hated for being for women and not because they snuck a blatant men suck message that the trailers didn’t show? I mean since when has barbie ever been about the “patriarchy.”

@michaelnettles3059

3 ай бұрын

Was anyone surprised at the contents of the barbie movie? What did you think it was going to be about?

@firenze6478

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelnettles3059 my mom and sisters thought it was going to be a movie about their beloved childhood toy, called Barbie. Not a message about how men are stupid and need to be taken out of power. ( just imagine how screwed they’d be if the message was reversed.) they like me are sick of all this battle of the sexes being shoved into everything

@kevinaosei

3 ай бұрын

​@firenze6478 are you sure we watched the same movie? The message i got is that you should not feel superior to anyone based on your sex, after all if barbie did care for ken the entire movie would not have happened while recognizing both sexs are different from each other.

@michaelnettles3059

3 ай бұрын

@firenze6478 The reversed message would be men are great and should reinstate the patriarchy.

@Martynde

3 ай бұрын

Just look at the backlash by Barbie fans towards Ryan Gosling winning an award for his song.

How about finishing his damn books

@tjroelsma

3 ай бұрын

Or just be honest and say he's never going to finish them because he doesn't have it in him anymore. George is quick to make promises he seemingly never plans to keep and then attacks the fans who have the, in his eyes, effrontery to ask, ASK, him what's causing the delay with his book.

@conradaster3764

3 ай бұрын

He’s trying!! 😢

@lainhikaru5657

3 ай бұрын

How bout writing your own? Not so easy is it?

@prussianhill

3 ай бұрын

@@lainhikaru5657 It's been 13 years since a Dance witb Dragons was published. To put in perspective, in 15 years GRRM published a Game of Thrones, Clash of Kings, Storm of Swords, a Feast for Crows, and a Dance with Dragons. Maybe GRRM isn't quite putting in the effort he used to.

@lainhikaru5657

3 ай бұрын

@@prussianhill Yeah, but I just meant as it is very hard sometimes. There is writter's block too.

I'm going to paraphrase a professional wrestling journalist here: "I don't want to Hollywood to die. I want to this bs Hollywood to go away forever and a good Hollywood to take its place."

@eduardocamachojr7990

3 ай бұрын

Jim Cornette 🤔

@Martijn_Steinpatz

3 ай бұрын

@@eduardocamachojr7990 Bryan Alvarez, actually. It's his TNA 'Golden Boat' rant.

@axios4702

3 ай бұрын

What does good Hollywood look like? It's always been a shit, soul rending place meant to turn art into products and artists into wh*res sold to the highest bidder. Take off the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia.

Yeah, we’re never getting those books are we.

@AspasiaB

3 ай бұрын

Nope. 😢

@Lobsterwithinternet

3 ай бұрын

You thought you were?

@isaac6077

3 ай бұрын

Nah.

@Dan-ji4db

3 ай бұрын

Never

Maybe instead of complaining, Martin should be writing his book. Can't be a fan of something that doesn't exist!

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

Naw, he gave up on that years ago. He hasn't had any trouble writing since A Dance With Dragons came out. He's written literally millions of words worth of published stories and novels since then, more words than the entire ASoIaF series combined in fact. So the fact that he still hasn't finished even one of the two remaining books in his main series? It can only mean that he's abandoned it and doesn't have the balls to admit it. He'd rather just keep stringing fans along with empty promises until he dies and it's not his problem anymore.

@blackadder564

3 ай бұрын

@@rmartinson19 Been thinking that for a few years now. And until he dies he keeps himself entertained, going to conventions and being treated as a star.

@JustSomeGuy

3 ай бұрын

You ask the impossible.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

@@rmartinson19 Its okay, Brandon Sanderson will finish it. If Martin did complete his own series it would probably be bad because he doesnt know how his own story ends and doesnt have his heart anymore to make up a satisfying conclusion. Thats why the tv show had such a bad ending. He didnt even have some notes for them to work with.

@hoppa_2184

3 ай бұрын

In all honesty? I think he got a Writer's Block and then was overwhelmed with the success of his work, making continuing it a daunting task. Not that this excuses his demeanor. He needs to get his ass into gear. Maybe hire some helpers (and I think I heard he actually did hire some). He needs to face this large task of continuing his work and I hope he will manage it. For the fans as much as for himself.

The problem is Martin is using this as an excuse for his lack of work on Winds of Winter.

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

Pretty much. All he's got are excuses at this point, since he doesn't have the balls to admit that he just lost interest in the series and doesn't plan on finishing it. It's not like his writing has actually stopped, or even slowed down. In just the 15 years since A Dance With Dragons came out, Martin's published word count has ballooned to more than the entire ASoIaF series combined. He's written and published literally millions of words of stories since then, some of them even set in Westeros. But he's lost interest in the main story he started, and instead of admitting that he's just decided to string everyone along with hollow promises that he's "working on it."

@ellugerdelacruz2555

3 ай бұрын

0:31 JSG is also so arrogant enough to accuse only the Right of being mad. Yet again, annother product of his terrible "in their @$$" attitude.

@WildZephyr

3 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@kutark

3 ай бұрын

Yep, people value authenticity. If he just came out and said "guys, i can't do it, i'm sorry. I just don't have it in me". The vast majority of people would be like "ok, i can respect that, i'm bummed, but i can respect that".@@rmartinson19

@alfredosaint-jean9660

3 ай бұрын

Regardless of intention, is he wrong?

People hated Barbie because it was misandrist, not because it was aimed at women.

@noone8418

3 ай бұрын

Actually it was pretty based.

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

@@noone8418 Only accidentally. It was so over-the-top with its dystopian feminism that it unintentionally circled back around to being anti-feminist and made Ken the real hero of the film.

@SubliminaIMessages

3 ай бұрын

@@rmartinson19 Ken showing the people of Barbieland the ways of the "patriarchy" for the women to be completely on board with it and becoming happier as a result, only for them to gaslight the men into giving up their positions makes me question if this movie was even supposed to be pro-feminist lmao

@happynihilist2573

3 ай бұрын

Well actually if you paid attention you'd the movie thinks patriarchy is a system that makes women happy and that you have to be brainwashed out of it and into feminism Seriously the thing's writing is ridiculously incorrect RandomFilmTalk has really good video on it

@dandare9055

3 ай бұрын

TBH at 1st I seen mainly women hating on it... then I seen also mostly women hating on it for being liked by many men for 'wrong reasons'. Weirdly enough it did target audience quite perfectly. Though the target audience was also most vocal critic of it (which seems logical)

I want Hollywood to get better but you need to understand that we are bitter at Hollywood. We are sick of seeing beloved franchises get butchered and forced to bend the knee. It hurts to see something you love get ripped apart

@Nihonguy

3 ай бұрын

It doesnt help that whenever they seem to learn their lesson they go right back to the same crap, people just dont trust hollywood anymore, give them an inch and theyll take a mile it seems, like i feel companoes are only stopping the woke garbage because theyre obligated and not because they really learned anything

@axios4702

3 ай бұрын

It only hurts the first two dozen times. When it becomes the norm, you one day awaken to find you can muster no emotion at new announcements but apathy.

@cybersegamer3794

3 ай бұрын

@@axios4702 I won't lie... I have saved so much money from this. Silver lining, I guess?

@testing2741

3 ай бұрын

JSG going full l2etard again because he loves T|2anny pr0nz.

@testing2741

3 ай бұрын

Seriously look it up he does. And other stuff that no one should defend... yikes

I had a professor years ago that said it right. "Write a good story and imbue it with your emotions and your life experience. Don't write a story about your life experience and your emotions. No body cares about you. " I think that is the problem with modern pop media, comics and movies especially.

@lostsock9852

3 ай бұрын

That's it. Too many writers inserting themselves.

@markmunroe-hz8rf

3 ай бұрын

I agree. I'd rather let the characters and stories tell itself instead of me telling the story

@soothsayer1964

3 ай бұрын

@@lostsock9852 also many of them are too young to have much experience of life outside of wokery-obsessed academia.

@Fuzzycat16

3 ай бұрын

your prof deserved to be a prof.

@nemesiscomix

3 ай бұрын

@@lostsock9852 That usually goes hand in hand when your ego surpasses your skill.

Citing Doomcock, of all people, as an example of a widespread ANYTHING is laughable. Especially when that example is countered by people like Dave Cullen and Critical Drinker, who've dunked on NuTrek for years, and still admitted that Picard S3 was a step up. And no matter how much substance you put into videos criticizing Rings of Power or Star Wars or anything else, I promise you, Martin lumps you in with the "anti-fans" all the same. Because it's not about the context of the criticism, it's the fact that it's being criticized AT ALL. Martin may not be a direct product of Hollywood, but he marches in lockstep with them on a few things. Which includes their disdain for the unwashed masses having platforms like KZread to become more influential than the paid shills and so-called critics the industry relies on for positive press. Also, don't conflate "seeing yourself in media" with media portraying one's values. Someone wanting a black character simply because they themselves are black isn't the same as wanting protagonists that aren't sociopaths, or for the plots to not be reliant on everyone holding the Idiot Ball when it's convenient.

@kohaiame2691

3 ай бұрын

Underrated comment.

@MSpotatoes

3 ай бұрын

Well put

@darthlaurel

3 ай бұрын

DVD, regardless of what you feel about him, is giving vent to how a lot of normies feel about what is going on in pop culture. A lot of us have a "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" mentality at this point. And we are sick of the shame. I hardly go to the cinema now and I have no subscriptions except to YT (because their ads are unbelievably hideous most of the time). I don't want to support an industry, regardless of whether it bothers to pander to normality from time to time, that has spent the last decade plumbing the depths of their contempt for normal people like me.

@lostsock9852

3 ай бұрын

@@darthlaurel "I have no subscriptions except to YT (because their ads are unbelievably hideous most of the time)" [cough] Ad blocker

@blackadder564

3 ай бұрын

@@darthlaurel I'm more of a "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, still shame on you" type of guy.

I haven't heard anyone say that Martin should shut the hell up. They just said he spouts dumb shit, which he does. He also makes excuses why he can't finish his saga. He is welcomed to speak his mind, and we should be allowed to call him a dumb ass when he says stupid crap.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

If it's unfinished, then it ain't a saga.

@Linkskyfyre

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 fair point.

@dsnein

3 ай бұрын

for real. what is this narrative about him him being silenced by the right. bro is clearly working off a wacky follow and block list

@user-dc7jp7md6u

3 ай бұрын

He should shut to F up and write. 🙂

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

I think he should shut up, hes been saying dumb shit for years. Remember when he called fans toxic for not liking the new star wars? He did it with rings of power too. He, as a writer, doesnt get to decide, what the audience should like. We will all individually decide for ourselves, thank you very much.

Come on man. You are talking out both sides of your mouth. Complaining about the right wingers and the right and then say they are shoving all leftists into the same box. I’m not on the right but we all spent years lobbing edgy insults at these writers rooms. I can understand why you separated yourself from the rest of the critical KZreadrs but you aren’t really doing anything different from what Wes does. And I’m not saying his points are all valid either but let’s not pretend we haven’t played into this game.

He's a public figure. He doesn't get to say whatever he wants without criticism, justified or unjustified. That's Hollywood, baby.

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

That's not just Hollywood, that's literally just life.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

He can go wipe his tears away with his piles of money. Quick. Someone feel sorry for him.

@lostsock9852

3 ай бұрын

Actually, he's two or three average-sized public figures

@darthlaurel

3 ай бұрын

@@lostsock9852 😆

@dandare9055

3 ай бұрын

I also did not seen anyone saying he cannot voice his opinion. Are people mocking him? Yes Are people saying he is stupid? Yes Are people asking when he will finally write end to his series? Definitely But nobody wants to take out his tongue. Goodness gracious: much like in case of King, his greatest detractors seem to hope he says as much as he likes as it seems to funnel in the traffic. So in a way they are biggest fans of his opinions existing. It is quite starkly different to things recently faced by Rowling for example where people outright advocate she should not be allowed to say anything under death threats. Her example is most interesting as well as for years she had detractors similar as the ones we talk about in this case: ones which mocked her and undermined her every argument with their own, but never en masse suggested that she should not be allowed to say what she said. Nowadays her most vocal detractors seem to have no arguments besides ad-hominem attacks and advocate precisely for her to not be allowed to say anything. It is not even about US determination of 'left and right' but there is seriously a group of unhinged people and it is not sadly the ones Martin is calling out right now.

Really? People are dancing on the graves of new original IPs that flop? Can GRRM cite ANY examples of this? Anywhere? Or does he mean old IPs reworked according to the current checklists and quotas demanded by the types of people like at Disney? As for Barbie, that was a pile of dogshit rescued by two things. The set designers, who absofrigginglutely knocked it out of the park, and Ryan Gosling, who took the character that the director wanted to be the villain of the piece and turned him into the hero, with Barbie the villain, a fact that drives the left nuts.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Even I have to admit that it appears to be a decent enough movie. What amuses me the most is that people are catching on to the misandrist message and criticising it. I love the takes on the movie how it's like a Greek tragedy, with Ken the hero and Barbie the villain. Also, from what little I've seen, the sets and costumes were absolutely on point. And yes, we have been given so much slop when we expected actual food, in terms of entertainment, that we're burning out on all the crap. Our collective patience has reached its limit.

@LoneWolf-xe6ye

3 ай бұрын

Palworld is wildly successful

@MagcargoMan

3 ай бұрын

Forspoken. Starfield. Bros. Strange World. But you already outted yourself as one of those right-wing idiots with that nebulous "the left" buzzphrase he already pointed out the stupidity of in the video.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

Well, Zack Snyder just released a sci fi movie in a new IP. Rebel Moon. Its shit. I hated it, I laughed at it, because of how bad and predictable and utterly stupid it was, and I loved the memes about it and all the youtube videos talking about how mindbogglingly shit it was. Especially the parts making fun of the slow motion. Did you know that movie has a slow motion scene, in a slow motion scene? Super slow motion! Snyder is a genius. Why didnt anyone think of this before! Quick, give him more money to make the sequel!

After people in the industries have been hostile to fans for years, can you really blame them for being hostile back, or at least distrusting? I know it’s a more extreme analogy, but when a dog has been abused for a long time, they’re going to be on guard when offered a treat.

@Xemnas4

3 ай бұрын

Especially when any positive feedback for actual decent content might get construed as "ha, see, you like the woke shit you said you hate!" Look no further than the defenders of NuTrek constantly using "but the old stuff was woke, too!" despite it being patently untrue.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

​@@Xemnas4 The old stuff was, at most, veeeeery mildly woke. Very slighty. It was just "rah, rah, democratic liberalism!", at most. And it still managed to be fairly good, in spite of that.

@garou12

3 ай бұрын

a better analogy is that its more like a domestic abuse situation

@sovereigneverblight5825

3 ай бұрын

​@@garou12that! That was the essence of Doomcock's message about Star Trek that JSG glossed over. We should not forgive and forget the years of God Awful NuTrek and fan abuse just because one season was good.

@garou12

3 ай бұрын

@@sovereigneverblight5825agreed but doomcok and his pals go over board by lumping illiberals w liberals and making it sound like all liberal principles and concepts are evil. they seem to forget that conservatives are capable of witch hunts too >.> Salem and McCarthy

Nobody tore Georgie's tongue out. It's just been lounging in the backyard playing solitaire for twelve years.

That’s because watching the original source material of your favorite media getting constantly raped in adaptations makes you bitter. Fans have the right to be upset.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

We not only have a RIGHT to be upset. But also a DUTY to be upset.

@majorgear1021

3 ай бұрын

It’s ok to gatekeep.

@BFNH459

3 ай бұрын

100%

If you're using guys like Doomcock as an example for how the fandom thinks, then you have fallen into the exact same trap as those assholes in Hollywood: pointing at the absolute worst offenders and saying "See? It's all their fault, not ours! Something, something, Toxic Fandom!"

@isaac6077

3 ай бұрын

He is a leftist. U can expect them to ever understand the common man

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

I do watch some of Doomcocks videos. They are mildly entertaining at best, but he does have good inside info usually. How is he the worst offender? Because he says Disney is making bad content? They are making bad content. He isnt "toxic", he's just right. Maybe if the people making the content made good content, people would not dump on them on the internet.

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSuperappelflap He's the worst offender in terms of insisting that we have to "punish" organizations like Disney by never liking anything they make, whether it's good or not. He is exactly the kind of person that JSG is complaining about: the kind that insists on permanent negativity whether it's justified or not, all as some sort of ideological sticking point. He and a few others here on KZread have created a cottage industry out of relentless negativity for negativity's sake. Sometimes it's justified, but other times it's not. And when it's not justified, it makes it easy to tar more balanced critics with the same brush in order to dismiss their legitimate criticisms as just more "toxic negativity" from the "toxic fandom".

@Brandonweifu

3 ай бұрын

​@TheSuperappelflap dude,I'm reminded how Gary and the Fandom menace turned there back on him while talking ahit behind his back And he sounded so hurt in response vids about it

@aishaalamoudi599

3 ай бұрын

Naaaa.... He's George RR Martin, they're nameless faceless blobs cause deep down they know what they are and they don't want it to stick.

So, what, are we, like, on a Straw-Man-a-thon here, dude…?🤨

This is some god tier gaslighting

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Both George and Just Some Guy make a few good points. But they continue to fail to understand that the Culture War is a thing. A rather important thing. This is my take. If the Right wins, sanity and good quality can make a comeback. If the Left wins, more insanity and evil will follow, in everything, and it will be much, much worse. Therefore, the Left, the mainstream, Hollywood, the establishment, MUST FAIL. They must fail consistently on all fronts, lose support and collapse. It's not just a matter of good entertainment anymore. It's a matter of who gets to shape and define everything about human civilization going forward. Morality, culture, finance, rights, laws - EVERYTHING. We CANNOT ALLOW wokeists and their depraved masters to be in charge a second longer. And I am willing to sacrifice some good entertainment right now, in order to help purge this evil and guarantee a saner future century or two.

@abelbabel8484

3 ай бұрын

mid tier tbh

@arthurballs7083

3 ай бұрын

JSG flirting with Lucasfilm's bot army again. Surprised he didn't call people terfs again

@Midnightv

3 ай бұрын

I agree. It's like somebody Paid him off

@abelbabel8484

3 ай бұрын

@@arthurballs7083 Oh he did that before? Do you remember when, I wanna see that

Couldn't care less about what Martin has to say, unless he's announcing the release of the next book, simple as that.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Oh, he's FAR too busy rolling down grassy hills, making soap bubbles in the back yard, dabbling in side stories and dropping "pearls of wisdom" on his blog to have the GUTS to tell his fans that he can't or won't finish the damn series that made him relevant. He is also an old, sick, fat, tired old man who was probably demoralized by how most of the audience received the ending. Which was probably, more or less, the ending he had planned out anyway.

@Midnightv

3 ай бұрын

I agree.

Doomcock didn't say Picard S3 can't/shouldn't be good, he said he refused to watch it on principle. Sure he has doubts before the season aired but after being burned twice, who wouldn't be cautious?

@SolarDragon007

3 ай бұрын

This liar also failed to mention the fact that many so called "anti-fans" actually liked and praised Picard Season 3.

@darthgamer9861

3 ай бұрын

like, why do people keep blatantly misrepresenting what Doomcock said? he made it clear every time he spoke about Picard S3.

Barbie was exactly as advertised? Are you out of your mind?

@osets2117

3 ай бұрын

What's funny is jsg doesn't like woke garbage in things he enjoys, his criticisms of rings of power is proof of that. Aka he's a hypocrite

@SeiferTV

3 ай бұрын

@@osets2117 I wouldn't go that far. He does seem to make his dumbest mistakes when going after the right.

I don't understand why you're citing doomcock as if he's a popular youtuber or has the last word on anything. The biggest youtubers in the space you're talking about are people like nerdrotic and critical drinker and both of them had praise for picard season 3. Just one small youtuber made you change your mind about such a big issue? Maybe you are the problem here? This is like reading a couple of negative reviews for a movie that got 99% praise and then claiming that this shows a widespread issue. It's anecdodal at best.

This is a straw man video. Put in some effort and bring the receipts. Just saying the “usual suspects” doesn’t tell us who you are referring to. Most creators who watched season 3 of Picard loved it, so who are you talking about? When you say everyone you just make yourself wrong.

@osets2117

3 ай бұрын

Well you see if you're vague about it nobody can call you on your bullshit

@quintusaquila34

3 ай бұрын

Big time straw man. Never heard anyone ever say that Star Trek Picard shouldn't be good, or doesn't deserve to be redeemed. Rather most of "tHe uSuAL sUpEcTS" expressed extreme doubts that franchises such as Star Trek could be redeemed and many lost hope that those running the franchises could even produce something genuinely good anymore. That's not the same as saying that they don't deserve to become good again. If anything there was some sentiment that hoped if Bad Robot continued to put message and ideology before story that their failure would hasten the end of their iron grasp on the property they flagrantly sullied. The reactions of people most critical of NuTrek to S3 of Picard ranged from Thrilled, to pleasantly surprised to begrudging acknowledgement of the turnaround. I've yet to see anyone who believes S3 was good say or imply that despite it's success in the 11th hour S3 shouldn't or doesn't deserve to exist.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

@@quintusaquila34 I wouldnt know because I havent watched Picard nor have any intention of ever watching it. But I think if I did watch it, I would still not give a shit.

I find the commentary about anti-fans to be hollow. Not because they don't exist, they do. But it's more so after years of political propaganda being pushed in their favorite franchises. So much so that even if you create something that is genuinely good but still promotes "progressive" ideas, they'll still be turned off by it. It's to be expected. It's not bigotry, it's burn out. Take Star Wars. After all the damage that was done to the franchise, do you think the next movie will be a success if it's actually good? Who knows, because the bad taste of the sequel trilogy still hasn't left yet.

@commentarytalk1446

3 ай бұрын

Exactly the wookie culture war description is a false tag. It's smothering the real use of propaganda from the UN pumped into Western culture as a form of soft war against Western culture to promote mass migration and wealth redistribution policies at global level and keep the electorate from revolting atstm. The sheer investment in propaganda is the smoking gun.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Even if they pop out a few absolute bangers, I will still be cheering for Disney's failure. They have shat on us too much and for far too long. No forgiveness. No mercy.

@scribbles1424

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Nobody cared if a 90s film was diverse because that wasn't the focus of the film. Most people don't hate just to hate, they're annoyed with everything needing checkboxes and agendas. So now if something pops up diverse that bitter taste of propaganda comes up.

@voltron8375

3 ай бұрын

The only anti fans are lefty fake fans haha

@inicolov

3 ай бұрын

You hit the nail right on the head. After my fav franchises got butchered I simply no longer care. If I do not care I am not going to make the effort to watch what comes next from the franchise. "Anti" fans are not toxic, they are trying to help, and are being stigmatised for it. Once they too simply no longer care Hollywood can stream it's crap to the twitter bots and aliens.

Most people did not like the barbie movie for how it picture's men and is new age feminist trash you can like it but these themes are still there if you like it or not.

@michaelnettles3059

3 ай бұрын

But it's good

@danielashburn1928

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelnettles3059 and that fine some of the good movies have a message I just don't like there message because if you look closely it's a bad message saying men are evil. The creators have said they hate men you can like thing but you can also not like message.

@Martynde

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelnettles3059 it made money but I doubt it is actually good.

@rmartinson19

3 ай бұрын

@@danielashburn1928 The irony there is that the Barbie movie was so extreme in its misandry and ridiculous dystopian feminism, that it accidentally circled around and made Ken the hero of the film.

Has he finished the book? No? Then we will continue to nag him about his ONE JOB.

@Ninja.Alinja

3 ай бұрын

We should really stop caring. even if the WoW ever come out, which it won't, obviously, he'll never ever finish the Spring one. and that hold the resolution which was so totally botched by HBO, so just let it go

I'd recommend Disperu's video on this subject, he actually show's what Gorge said before responding to it instead of *just making up stuff Gorge din't say*

@osets2117

3 ай бұрын

When you don't show the receipts you can say whatever you want, typical leftist

@inicolov

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion, will check it out.

@JustSomeGuy

3 ай бұрын

I quoted the man directly from his blog. What did I make up that he didn't say?

@inicolov

3 ай бұрын

Mate, just accept that this was a bad take, everyone has at least one in their lifetime and move forward@@JustSomeGuy

@happynihilist2573

3 ай бұрын

​@JustSomeGuy then show the blog in the video, specifically the parts that made you think he's talking about thing like Last of Us tv or Picard S3, cuz I didn't see any of that I did see a man complaining that most people dislike most movies and that those same people are happy when the things they dislike don't do well With the added context that Gorge thought Tolkien fan should like Rings of Power I don't see any reason to assume he's done anything beyond the standard "your just toxic cuz you don't like the things you're being sold"

So a guy, that doesn't even care about his own work as long as the sweet HBO money flows, is now our moral highground when we call out a bad movie? Oh, and Martin, if you happen to stumble upon this: We're still waiting for some books you promised over TEN years ago.

I just took George's comment to be a defense of the shitty ending seasons of GoT and how he's afraid to write the final books because people will expect them to be good - unlike the last two books in the series. Defending shitty media against pushback is a self-serving behavior to defend one's own product from ridicule when it turns out to be just as bad.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

He should just nut up and admit one or more things. That he's stumped. That he's lost interest. That he's afraid that the fans won't like the ending. Or that he will not finish the books. Either appoint a successor, or accept that his work, while good, will NEVER get truly great, never be legendary, and never be completed. That he has crippled his legacy with his lack of discipline and courage.

@kohaiame2691

3 ай бұрын

I think he killed off too many characters and wrote himself into a corner that he doesn't know how to get himself out of.

@protarngonist2449

3 ай бұрын

Thought it was the other way around. He added in way too many characters that he wrote himself into a corner. By book five, there are multiple events happening at once, and a ton of POV when compared to the earlier books. I remember someone saying that it would take more than seven books for the series to be completed, because he kept on adding way too many plotlines

@DevilfishFace

3 ай бұрын

there were key characters he killed that he shouldnt have I think@@protarngonist2449

I’m a hater. I was born a hater, I wake up hating, I go to sleep hating, I feast on schadenfreude, and I piss out criticism. I think everything sucks, except for the one percent of media that I sort of enjoy. Yadda yadda yadda, where are the books George?

@om58499

3 ай бұрын

Well in the decade he been finishing it it about 75% complete so 4 years more if you lucky

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

I get you, but hating is an unwise use of your time and energy, unless you have evidence that it's doing some good. And it's true that most media sucks nowadays. It's a symptom of living in a dying culture, a collapsing world order. Good things are far and few. We must make more good things. Speaking of which, WHERE ARE THE BOOKS, GEORGE?

@isaac6077

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094nah my friend. My hatred keeps me warm at night.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

The player haters club is actively recruiting new members

Sorry I'm going to need an actual source on doomcock saying they shouldn't be good

@osets2117

3 ай бұрын

There is no source

@darthgamer9861

3 ай бұрын

he didnt say that. Doomcock said that people shouldn’t just forgive and forget all the awful garbage that came before S3.

Just finish the goddamn book Martin!! It’s not that hard!

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

It is, he hasn't planned things out right. It CAN be done, but it won't be easy or quick.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 I mean at this point it's been 12 years. Nobody's asking for it to have been 'quick'. They just want it done before he keels over. He's got 2 more books to write and if they're both going to take 12+ years he's probably not gonna' make it to the finish line...

@Ninja.Alinja

3 ай бұрын

it definitely it. As much as it annoyed me like 5 years ago (stopped caring) that WoW didn't come out, the different story threads are extremely complex and to wrap them all up while driving the story home must just overwhelm him. but she should just come out and admit it. I too often procrastinate on difficult tasks I'm not sure how to do, I really understand, but I don't blame people calling me out on it.

The problem is, you're either for something or against it. The 'why' doesn't matter anymore. There's no creativity left in Hollyweird. Everything that could be done HAS been done, so what's left? Divide the fans. Keep us fighting among ourselves so we won't be able to see what's really happpening.

@CadillacBoss30

3 ай бұрын

The "fans" divide themselves

@LiterallyAWesternHognose

3 ай бұрын

Bro what everything that could be done has been done so what's left ummm apparently whatever the east is cooking.

@CadillacBoss30

3 ай бұрын

@LiterallyAWesternHognose thanks to slave like labor, low pay and horrible work culture of squeezing everything out of employees without compensation.

@buttscarlton1490

3 ай бұрын

"Everything that could be done HAS been done"- If you feel that there are no original ideas in cinema these days, that's a *you* problem. Between Alex Garland, the Safdies, Nolan, Villenueve, Tarantino, Ari Aster, Eggers, Cuaron, and AGI Hollywood is literally overflowing with innovative and original directors that have only scratched the surface of new ideas. Expand your horizons, get off the internet, and come back with a better take

@prestonhurst

3 ай бұрын

@@buttscarlton1490 Dude, all they create are variations of the same theme. Not original. It's just new settings and characters. Why don't you open YOUR mind and try and see what the hell is REALLY going on then get back to me.

When they stop trying to lecture me about 'things', perhaps they'll earn some trust back. And here you are JSG, lecturing us as well.

I adore talking to someone about my favorite stuff just as much as debating what makes something bad or no longer fun. It is hard to curb the hate, however, when you spend literally your whole life waiting for a promised film to get a sequel, remake, or just reshoot, only for them to turn it into an animated children's cartoon which was from a 15-rated horror film!!! Gremlins if wondering.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Oh no, not Gremlins, too!

@JoyfulKatt

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 Yup, and it's bad. So freaking bad.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

I also like discussing what makes things bad. Specifically with people who think its good. But they think Im just being a hater, while Im just trying to have a detailed discussion about what makes it good or bad and get different opinions. I once got banned from a forum for talking to a guy about whether Mass Effect 2 was a worse game than the original. I said it felt too consoley and it was too easy. I didnt get his opinion because all he said was "no its good shut up" and then reported me.

... isn't what he said also talking about you? Ohhh, now i need a name before taking these statements serious

The Last of Us, they boasted about making fans watch a gay romance without knowing it, Picard's third season continues to be part of all the shit that the other two seasons were. They will end up making a good season/episode and how stupid fans go back to buying the things they sell again even after everything they did and attacks on fans. They don't want a second chance, they just want the fans' money and aren't even willing to falsely say sorry, while they're basically sucking up to those who hate the fans just because they're on the far left.

Whats sad, is this dorks ability to finish a story.

Well I will say that there are plenty of leftist that would say Jean was far right. But your anti conservative videos are always below average. You don't bother to show examples like you do in your other videos. I don't know who these people are you are talking about. Also who cares about a third season of star trek. They are lucky if I watch the first couple episodes. Normal people don't watch bad shows into the third season just in case they get good. That's like those people who say a video game gets good after 100 hours.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Too many chances have been given to those who desecrate the old, respected media. Left or right, one must bow to reality and the truth. Everything woke is either sh*t, or looking to make you tolerate it, with the inevitable objective of bringing you on-board as a supporter. And everything woke inevitably slides towards bad things.

Or maybe, just maybe George can spend less time providing a less than Luke warm hot take and finish his book. Then by all means serve as many takes as he wants.

JSG you do know Martin would consider you an anti-fan too right?

Also could someone tell me- when did it become incumbent on the audience to make a Movie/Show successful? When did it become no longer the creator's job to make their product appealing and successful?

dude, yer getting close to 'being' one of "them"...

@firenze6478

3 ай бұрын

Nah, he just had an L take.

@rbowdenscipio3408

3 ай бұрын

@@firenze6478I hope so. JSG has always had pretty good, even-handed takes on things and his recommendations have gotten me to check out a few titles I otherwise wouldn't have known about (e.g. Wall Might.) None of us are beyond criticism though, so I won't write him off unless these bad/iffy takes become common.

I am confused, I watched Az, Nerdrotic and the like and they all said they loved Picard season 3? It’s just not true that the “RiGhT wInG” just didn’t want to like it. They simply said that unfortunately all fan good will had evaporated by the that point so it didn’t matter how good it was as people were no longer watching it. Stop gaslighting man

I believe V says it best: "The only verdict is vengeance." When those who can only corrupt, twist and destroy take beloved franchises and turn them into "Put a chick into it and make it gay and lame." the movie/video game it is only fair to take a very large stick and whack them over the head until they stop rubbing their feces all over the thing you like. But that's just my opinion; personally I will not cease my crusade against the Lawd o da Rangz: We Wuz Kangz cards until people either stop playing Magic: the Gathering with me entirely or they stop playing the cards of their own volition either outcome is fine by me. While I don't 'like' giving up on the things I like, I won't support woke mongrels debasing and defiling the legacy of people like Tolkien and if I have to stop playing a game that's going down the drain anyway due to AI art, stolen art, increasingly greedy sales practices and lower quality... so be it.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

we wuz kangz in numenor

But the truth is, that if a show had 2 bad seasons, the third one won't be very successful, even if it's good.

Personally, I subbed to you BECAUSE you don't just do the This is Woke So I hate it. You have enough ability to analyze the story, the drawings, and the quality of the work. Which provides your audience with a better guage as to whether they should purchase the products for themselves. I had no problem with Ellie being gay necessarily; I had a problem that she was forced into being gay when it could be credibly argued she was properly Bi. Which also serves better in a dystopian future where birth rates are part of species survival. One of the reason I like Nerdrotic as much as I do (whether I always agree with his takes or not) is that he does want the industry to get better. He wants Movies back to the way they were. Comics back to profitability, and he says as much. He doesn't need the narrative to be negative, and like so many of us, it does hurt. So I'll keep watching you guys (even if I don't agree with every take you have) because you obviously want better for the things that I love; that we all love. Like I do. I never cared that Batwoman or Supergirl got their own TV shows. I cared that they were written to superimpose over the male legacy characters, and didn't treat the stars of said shows very well in any given narrative. Kara deserved to be out of Clark's shadow - and Batwoman IS NOT just a lesbian. They could have written far more compelling stories, and they didn't. That's the disappointing thing. As far as movies go, if they'd ease up on the political sledgehammer they want to hit us all with, most normal audiences would return to the theatres. Because we're looking for entertainment. Not to be preached at. I guarantee you, they can allude to any political structure they want, create a narrative that ASKS us to challenge our believes and has a roster of competant characters that aren't all female, or automatically dismissive/emasculating males, and SO MANY more people would sign up to pay for it. Across streaming, gaming and the theaters. But so far, they aren't really doing that.

Was Gene Roddenberry conservative? No. But only people who I've seen claim it so far are actually on left, as apparently his beliefs and ideals were outdated and regressive... how or why? I frankly never bothered to engage into this particular discussion as mere premise seems too idiotic to loose scarce free time. But 1st time I hear anyone else than far-left claim he was conservative. Might be my lack of engagement with social media in last year.

@quintusaquila34

3 ай бұрын

Are there some weird fringe righties who are trying to claim that Roddenberry was one of them? Probably, there's a lot of weridos out there. But at least for me I never see RW'ers try and say that Gene was actually conservative. They might say that compared to the far-left today he SEEMS more conservative (which incidentally is similar to far-leftist arguments that he's outdated and problematic for "Current Year"). But most are aware that Gene was very much a liberal humanist with socialist leanings.

@Ninja.Alinja

3 ай бұрын

he was famously progressive. but in a time where there were serious social wrongs, which have since been righted. Problem with progressivism is in the name, it can't stop, per definition, even if you've created paradise, because then you become a conservative.

@dandare9055

3 ай бұрын

@@Ninja.Alinja Yup, in a way most 'progressives' have hint of truth in saying that progressives of the past are now considered conservatives. Like You said: it is part of the whole idea.

Was Picard S3 better than the first two seasons? Yes. Did I like it, not really. But that was over plot points and certain decisions. Far as Last of us, I had no dog in that race. Didn't watch it, didn't play the games and have zero desire to do so.

@voltron8375

3 ай бұрын

TLoU TV show was not representative of the game. They didn't. Cut from the MCs to tell a gay love story in the game.

There are no anti fans in anime but alot in western shows

@arwenstrong2818

3 ай бұрын

👍

@Midnightv

3 ай бұрын

This should be a top comment

@TheSuperappelflap

3 ай бұрын

I dont like anime, so i dont watch it and dont read about it. No one is shoving anime in my face and telling me im an ist and a phobe if i dont watch and enjoy it. If western entertainment industry did the same thing, that would be great.

I tried giving Picard S3 a chance because "it is so good". What I got is, if I remember correctly, 2 mystery boxes, a retcon and cliffhanger in the first episode of serialized show. Can't say I liked that, it was just the same as S1. "But it gets better"... does it really? All I have seen is more memberberries and copy paste stuff from movies far better than that show.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

I can't take anything that actually confirms the destruction of Romulus seriously. The prime Trek canon, for me, ends with Nemesis. Anything after that relies on JJ Abrams' stupidity.

@darwinxavier3516

3 ай бұрын

I haven't watched Picard after the trashfire that was season 1. Heard season 2 was also flaming dog shit and saw some of the cringey plot beats, so I had no trust in season 3. But a lot of people who were critical of kurtzmantrek said season 3 was surprisingly good, better than it had any right to be. I saw a few clips here and there including the ending. There are a couple spots that aggravate the fuck out of me like waiting til you warp right on top of a station before initiating your cloak as if you wouldn't already be detected by every sensor before you even got there. And yeah, there are a lot of memberberries. But I think it's an acceptable level of memberberries like No Way Home. If nothing else, it gives a lot of hell yeah moments to TNG characters in a way that should've been happening since season 1. If I ever find a place to watch it for free I'll have to see for myself.

He won't finish his books and he's Towing the same line Disney's been doing since 2016 of attacking the fans/customers.

The problem with George’s quote is the anti-fan. There is no such thing. Before the internet, I can remember people not liking The Next Generation (TNG)over the original or talking about how Deep Space Nine was moving away Gene’s utopia vision and so on. Even the prequels of Star Wars were hated by several fans of the original. George is just wrong. I like season three of Picard but it is a departure of TNG tv shows. I remember people not liking TNG movies because of the difference aspect than the tv show. I seen the videos where Doomcock actually pointed out the problems he had with season 3. He was stating why he didn’t like. Now, other KZreadrs like Dave Cullen spoke on his love and excitement for season 3. That is why I listen to the reasons that the KZreadrs give. Fans will always discussed what they don’t like about something that they overall like, welcome to fandom. Now, I do agree that just saying “woke” is wrong. But when the producers and the cast bring in the identity politics by saying we just need “x” because of too many “y’s” have been in this thing, really doesn’t seem like a reason for the change. By that logic we should have every race, gender identity of any character just because of representation. We need a Superman or Batman of every nationality and they have to identify with every type of gender identity.

Tbf, I saw the Doomcock video where he talked about it. It wasn’t that it can’t be good, but rather that we need to be careful what we support because we don’t want to send the message that all is forgiven just because there was one Diamond in the shit pile. I’m certain if it was its own Star Trek story apart from Picard, he would have been alright with it. It was the fact it was tied to the rest of Picard was the issue, that supporting it in Season 3 might send the wrong message. We would be trying to say only S3 was good, but they would spin it as ‘People liked Star Trek Picard’ which is disingenuous as a statement given the nuance was taken out.

I never watched of played The Last of Us, but from what I recall the criticism and the reason for the hatred of the gay episodes wasn't because of gay episodes, it was because they completely changed them from what those storylines were in the game. I believe that originally the first gay storyline was more dark and morbid, but they changed it to a more positive and lovey-dovey type thing because they didn't want to portray a gay relationship as not being perfect rainbows and sunshine. As for Barbie, people hated Barbie because it was a shit movie. Yeah, it made money, but that's because of the brand and woman are dumb enough to watch anything that has Barbie in it. Aside from being misandrist, the movie was pretty misogynistic as well, and treated women like they had the intelligence of a barely functioning puppy.

I do agree with your argument however I must say that George Martin is a bit of a hypocrite. For example he did go on saying how Star Wars fans didn’t like Star Wars and Star Trek didn’t like Star Trek, but then he mentioned how Tolkien fans didn’t like rings of power. From man who said he was inspired by JRR Tolkien, I would’ve thought it would be self evident why they didn’t like rings of power. You are right hating for the sake of hating is wrong, but when it comes to Star Wars band hating the new Star Wars and Lord of the rings fan hating rings of power that is very much justifiable. However I haven’t seen the new Picard series, so I can’t judge one way or another.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

Playing devil's advocate here, fans have been known to make hasty judgment calls before. Case in point - Star Wars Prequel Trilogy. It had its flaws, but history has vindicated it as a series of overall good movies that contributed quite a bit of good material to the overall saga. Jar Jar was annoying, but if the fans could have tolerated him, we might have gotten Darth Binks out of it. The midichlorians were not a great idea, but even otherwise good storytellers and creators can have some bad ideas that slip in there sometimes. Although, to be honest, the unfortunate politicization of entertainment has been MUTILATING ans DESECRATING multiple franchises and projects for years now. Including Star Wars and Star Trek. We don't hate them, and other IP's in their situation. We hate what they have become.

@wolftal1178

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 exactly, although I never hated the prequel series, I preferred them, but maybe that’s just because I grew up watching them when they came out in my childhood. But nevertheless, I just don’t see these films turning around in the future because the honest truth is, they have no overall plot or story other than simply portraying diversity which doesn’t make a good film on its own. When George Lucas started the prequel trilogy, he already had the entire story and lore in his mind. The sequel trilogy had no overall plan. They kept changing the End plot line after each movie.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

The thing is, Star Wars fans don't like NEW Star Wars. Star Trek fans don't like NEW Star Trek. When you lose your entire fanbase in search of the mythical "modern audience", it's probably you that screwed up, not your fans. Cater to your fans. They are the ones who will carry your IP.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 History only really "vindicated" the prequel trilogy after it looked like a goddamn diamond in the light cast by the utterly awful sequel trilogy. Most of the prequel trilogy's criticism holds up. Not all of it, but a lot of it. The pacing is bad, the dialogue is bad, some of the CGI doesn't hold up, it has unnecessary characters. Those have always been prequel trilogy criticisms and they still are. Just, as a whole, the prequels look MUCH better when compared with the sequel trilogy...

@wolftal1178

3 ай бұрын

@@wun1gee quite right!

With respect (I mean that truly, I love your stuff), Gary at Nerdrotic, Az from Heel vs. Babyface, and Mauler spoke many times about how much they loved the third season of Picard. They interviewed Robert Meyer Burnett to talk about how the third season came to be and how excellent it was. They recommended again and again in many different videos. Why attribute to the whole right side of KZread what was said only by Doomcock?

@georgecisneros5281

3 ай бұрын

Because he’s a straw man aficionado…😂

@scribbles1424

3 ай бұрын

He didn't even get Doomcock's position right. Doomcock has stated he wants Trek to be like TNG/DS9 again and also was worried praising STP would give the false narrative that all of it was good so Hollywood wouldn't change it.

There are plenty of fair critics out there that are actively shaping opinions. Consider Dave Cullen Show and The Critical Drinker, particularly when considering Picard Season 3. The fans are still out there, and fans are open to surprises. The predicament is that the proverbial well has been poisoned at this point by seemingly malicious efforts to ruin franchises. There is hope though. Enter again Picard III. The third season seems to be a deliberate and conscious effort to course-correct after the bad first 2 seasons. Criticism was pointed, criticism received, and better content produced as a result. We can't get this feedback unless, like you said, all parties are being open, honest, and fair.

@Xemnas4

3 ай бұрын

And as far as those who wouldn't give S3 a chance because of just how atrocious the first two seasons were, that's a perfectly valid reason for them not to. Asking people to give a third chance to something that's already disappointed them twice is a hard sell.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

But did they learn anything from Picard III? No. We're still getting Discovery season 5 and Lower Decks is still a Star Trek parody, not a Star Trek show.

@Xemnas4

3 ай бұрын

@@wun1gee You do realize that Picard S3 only came out last year, right? And that Disco S5 and LD were already in production at the time? And that they weren't gonna throw away those projects after already spending money on them? You DO understand it takes time to course correct an entire franchise, right?

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

@@Xemnas4 Picard Season 3 was a reply to criticism of season 1 and 2. Season 3 aired before Disco season 5 even started production. Do you think Disco season 5 is going to be ANY different than seasons 1-4 after the lessons learned from Picard season 3?

@Xemnas4

3 ай бұрын

@@wun1gee It was no such thing. S3 was announced before S2 had finished airing. They released a teaser trailer and everything. It was also announced it would be the final season. So what likely happened was that Kurtzman and the rest abandoned the series, leaving Matales as showrunner, and he just happened to be an actual fan of OG Trek, and so produced a season that was more in line with the classic shows. As for STD and LD, the people in charge of those shows make their own decisions. Any course corrections would be due to studio interference, and that's not guaranteed to happen after a single successful season of an entirely different show.

JSG, I swear man… many nails you hit on the head but from time to time you hit your head with the nail. Who was dissing Picard season 3? I follow many channels I will assume you are referring to, Critical Drinker, Nerdrodic, Disparu, Mauler, Heels vs baby face, etc. most of them were overwhelmingly positive about season 3, so much so that I signed a service specifically to watch that season.

The last of us wasted 2 hours of screen time to push the message I'm supposed to lay down for it?

@NimmelTheGreat

3 ай бұрын

Nearly every show in history wastes large amounts of time to some over dramatic romance plot. There are two things that make this one different, one of the hours was actually good and had valid reason to be dramatic, and it's not straight.

@VentrexTheXVth

3 ай бұрын

@@NimmelTheGreat they waste that time if the romance involved a main character. When it's two side characters no one wastes that much time

@NimmelTheGreat

3 ай бұрын

@@VentrexTheXVth One of them was about main character though and it was easily the more generic of the two. It was also closer to the source material. Also a lot of shows do in fact do exactly that, hollywood is obsessed with romance and they will shove it into anything wherever they can. It's harder to find a series that doesn't shove every named character into some romance plot or other.

@VentrexTheXVth

3 ай бұрын

@@NimmelTheGreat so one of those episodes went into Joel's marriage? Or did they have a teenage lesbian scene like the DLC. If it wasn't either of those then it wasn't about a MC and if it involves Jole or Ellie, the MCs, and didn't follow the game then it's even farther away from a faithful adaptation than JSG claimed.

@NimmelTheGreat

3 ай бұрын

@@VentrexTheXVth So, you didn't watch the show then? Also, "teenage lesbian scene"? What a weird way to put that, in both show and game, a girl kissed a girl, it was incredibly innocent. You make it sound like they went full adult with it or something. Which isn't uncommon when it comes to same gender relationships, people always want to make it sound perverse to try and justify being upset about it.

Unless he's hiding his own Unfinished Tales volumes as big as Tolkien's, he's still just a hack

If there is something I don't like or I'm told I'm not the "intended audience", I simply don't watch it. I spend my money and support what I do like.

Even if he finally finish the books, I'm not going to read it.

Tl:dr we ain't getting more books

it sounds like Martin is out of touch of what people are actually saying and how they actually feel. These "anti fans" are not people who just showed up out of nowhere to hate on a franchise, wait no i take that back, thats EXACTLY what they are. a lot of them are long time fans who hate seeing what has happened to the franchise they know and love their whole live go down in flames that should've never happened. And these fans dont just magically go away because things go very wrong, and when they do its because apathy has set in and now they just dont care anymore. As for talking about the things people do like, lets not pretend that doesnt happen. However the old argument of "if you dont like it, go watch something else" is something that people do practice. Problem is that when people do move on to something that seems more stable that either find all the of the same problems cropping up or starting to show signs. When all of the same bs keeps happing everywhere you go, what are you suppose to do? just give up on media entirely and just go fishing? because its not just movies and shows. its video games, comics, sports, music. sure, you can be one of the very few who can go off and make their own stuff, but not every disgruntled fan is going to go off and start their own thing. they just want to be entertained. you see a lot of negative online now because there's a whole lot of stuff to take a dump on than there is to praise. For every Elden Ring (wink wink George) there's 5 SSKTJL. For every Oppenheimer there's 5 The Marvels. People do talk about these good games and movies, but when every other thing that comes our is trash, yeah, its going to be easy to notice. George needs to get new glasses because the people he's pointing at calling them "anti fans" are in the other direction. The people who come in saying things in old properties have to change to suit "a modern audience" and saying how problematic all the old stuff is and openly mock and attack old fans ARE the anti fans. If you're a fan of something, you dont go out of your way change everything about the thing you claim to love and try to kick out fans who dont agree with you.

Was this a first draft, JSG? This isnt as well articulated as what i usually see from you. Granted i havent watched anything from you for about 3 years.

@ocarinaplaya

3 ай бұрын

Mainly because your rant on the Right is an obvious strawman and doesn't reflect what conservatives or normies feel about modern cinema.

I hate your take, but I shall meditate on it. Thanks for the video.

Wow, wait, someone has actually tried to claim Roddenberry was conservative? I can't figure out if that is hilariously sad or sadly hilarious.

@kohaiame2691

3 ай бұрын

hilariously sad

@Qwerty-jy9mj

3 ай бұрын

Probably never happened.

@wun1gee

3 ай бұрын

Compared to today's "Progressive", Roddenberry was a card-carrying Nacho. At least, that's how anyone who's as far-left as today's "Progressive" sees it. You can't judge anyone by the context of their time. You have to judge them with a modern Progressive lens. And if they don't live up to current, very-shifting values and standards, they're "conservative" and as such, problematic. And by that metric, the man who made a black woman a command officer on a starship and then put the first interracial kiss in history on broadcast television was "conservative"..

@mizu7662

3 ай бұрын

@@wun1gee Thats not how any of that works. Someone who fought to change the status quo of society doesn't become conservative just because later generations pushed past the new status quo that was achieved by progressive efforts in that person's lifetime. Also, pretty sure you are just plain wrong in general when you assert that he wouldn't be 'progressive enough' for modern standards. Guy was literally a communist, a for real one instead of the useless buzzword Republicans have made out of it. He gave statements about supporting gay rights and how he only didn't do anything involving them in the show because there were limits to what the networks would let him get away with. Pretty sure he would be right at home in today's left wing.

@newtpondskipper

3 ай бұрын

​@wun1gee women walking around the ship in gold uniforms, signifying they are command officers, yup that shows how he wasn't progressive. I've heard that he didn't go far enough so he was actually conservative...these people are never happy.

You do have to admit that he is contradicting himself, since anyone claiming that franchise X has become shit is immediately called a "toxic fan", which is a term he himself is using here.

I get that this culture war is very complex, but George RR Martin is simple. He's an undisciplined, easily distracted manchild who b*tches about stuff like this because he doesn't want to finish his damn books.

People are snapping out of the Red team vs. Blue team phase. Looks like they're all more critical of the content they get over the content promised and the content they want.

Can he have an opinion and finish his books? That would be awesome. I am realistic and looking at him isn't making me think 90.

1:00 that's one way of twisting the reality 😂 sure, George. Fans are the problem. can't help but wonder - who gave him an authority to decide what should we discuss and does he have any actual arguments against critique of modern shows? Or we just aren't allowed to trash shitty shows cause this makes George sad? ...the audacity. Those "people" truly think they can lecture us. 1:20 I agree with your logic - but could you give real examples? Like - screenshots of actual comments. I'd be thrilled if they will start making good stories again. But me being hopeful doesn't mean I can't be skeptical. Or that I have to watch "Marvels" to be able to know it's bad. Not cause girlpawa btw. It's nowhere close to be the main issue of it. ...George once said that those who didn't like final seasons of GoT are toxic. Which is an interesting perspective and begs the question of what he intended to put in his books. ...I will say though - when I thought about it, I came to conclusion that movies "back then" sucked ass too. Movies back then had Marie Sues too. I re-watched "The rock" and "Speed" (all time action classics) and I hated every second of it. Those movies are offensively dumb and badly shot. But apparently they got pass from the audience because of "the cast", if you catch my drift. It just doesn't mean modern movies are good but we just don't give them a chance because of "diversity". It means they are just as bad but we finally started to notice it because of "diversity". people are happy of movies flopping is a reaction to creators blaming fans being racist and sexist. It's not about art, it's about politics and I think it is well deserved. 2:15 I will disagree. At least I did not hate it for that reason. I did not like it because romantic relationship in zombie apocalypse is not exactly believable. And I don't exactly understand why should I watch two episodes of romantic relationship of background characters that had no punch in it. I didn't hate the characters. I didn't like the story, because it was boring and not believable and because it had nothing to do with the main plot what so ever. speaking of gay characters. I absolutely loved "I love you Phillip Morris". Because it was well made. I liked the first three seasons of Sex Education. In which "this" is way more fitting to discuss than in zombie apocalypse. but I guess I just became toxic when fourth season began. Cause I didn't like how focus shifted from showing complex nuanced characters and stories to dumb cringy "just be gay" propaganda.

Who the heck *is* this guy? I thought this was an interview with Tolkein. With this guy's "R.R." thing, it's confusing.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 ай бұрын

He's a talented but lazy and undisciplined fat old 70's hippie liberal intellectual, doing his "oh-so-clever" deconstruction of fantasy works that uphold higher, transcendental values, by making a decent but otherwise overrated dark world of feces, gore, breasts, swear words and endless, tasteless subversions of expectations.

@arwenstrong2818

3 ай бұрын

He's blatantly trying to link himself to a legend. After insulting that legend by saying LOTR was "unrealistic" because they didn't go around gr@ping & murdering each other the whole time. Tolkein defined a man by what he is called to do. Martin defines a man by what he is able to do.

That isn't what Doomcock said though. He in no way said it has to be bad for reasons. He said he isn't gonna watch it regardless of how good it is because of everything before that. Also, The Last of Us was not what we asked for. No one asked for the virus to change, no one asked to see Joel as a simp the entire series. No one asked for Ellie to be an insufferable pitch. You are flat out lying on many things here and I don't really understand why. Sorry but this is not a great take.

Isn't it more what he didn't say as in didn't finish his books.

I love that you guys simply prove him right in your rebuttals.

I mean, if there was more stuff to love, maybe we would talk about it. But when there's ONLY stuff out that we hate, there's precious little else to talk about.

Idk ive found myself often hating on new shows and movies but i really dont think its because im a bigot. From my point of view these shows and movies used to just feel like they had more passion and whenever fans had something to say they seemed to care. They seemed to love their fans. To me its more that lately they hate us and in response we've started hating them. Starwars will always be my go to example of this I was excited for the new movies. I went and saw them and was a bit disappointed and tried to voice that but suddenly i was reading and hearing everywhere that "uhm actually the reason you didnt like the movie is because youre a bigot misogynist piece of garbage". Suddenly the groups who i would usually chat about movies with were split in half and no one could talk about anything without being told they were a horrible person. I cant even talk about my opinions on any media at work because what used to be good spirited critique and recommendations is now considered to be some secret signal of political ideology. Like my big thing with barbie was i thought it was gonna be a bit more of a kids movie then it was and took my niece expecting a kids girl power movie. (I know this is naive its pg-13 thats a red flag but the name barbie i immediately associated with kids. Itd be like if fucking ninja turtles was up there id assume the same thing) It was not that and was a bit more preachy and political then i thought. I mentioned to someone at work that it really wasnt great for kids and to maybe not take her kids with her if she went to see it. I got called into hr for 'talking politics" because someone simply overheard me mention the movie. Every fandom i love seems to have been slaughtered im just so done with this garbage

The Anti-Fans are the ones ruining IPs that actual fans enjoy.

The extreme right and left are as bad as each other. Push too hard against something for too long and you carry on past reasoned arguments. But extreme views are simple to convey and get more traction than context and nuance.

If George actually cared about what people think about modern media, he'd finish the story he started writing back in the 90s. Once the last two Ice&Fire books are out, maybe then he can complain about the fans being a bunch of toxic, entitled babies.

Companies used to sell their product to the consumer rather then blame the audience for being horrible. Also doomcocks a lone wolf nut and his theory was more or less that it's all got to burn before things can get better.

We're coming out of a golden age of sci-fi/fantasy/superheroes. Martin et al are used to endless glowing praise. They don't know how to handle the criticism that comes from half a decade of trash. They think they are entitled to that endless praise. Also, The Drinker, MauLer, and Nerdrotic all liked ST:P Season 3.

I wasn't really happy with the Barbie movie because it gets boring by the third act after completely losing the plot to talk about the patriarchy (something the trailers did not and still don't show). I was the target demographic for that film, and it was disappointing. But I do agree that the doomer mentality that things will never get better ever again is unhelpful.

Martin should shut his trap and write the damn books.

This is why I love your channel : you’re balanced. When you don’t like something, you explain why. I loved your latest Green Lantern vid giving kudos when due. To be sure, there are many creators who make money off hating things. GRRM is right there and it IS sad. Anyway, keep up the great work! Love your content.

Fans who are sick of seeing their favorite franchises ruined love to see the grossly distorted versions of these franchises fail in the hope that financial pressure will force the studios to go back to providing the authentic product that they want. And once someone totally screws up a franchise, a lot of people never trust that person again. It's not so hard to understand.

you should go toe to toe against The Aristocratic Utensil lets see how you last there.

martin is a little whiny baby who can’t finish stories and finds endless things to blame. this is a broken clock being right twice a day

I am very surprised about this comment section. Seems like I'm not alone. That's a nice feeling, actually. As for the matter at hand: yeah, it's more complicated than "these people are toxic". I hate what my favorite franchises devolved into and I'm not going to give them any more chances. I am out of hope, patience and belief in most people. I consider myself a (european) liberal but agree with a lot that The Drinker et al are lamenting. Which totally screws the algorithm btw. because there seems to be nothing in between Ultra Right or Maximum Left. The videos that are recommended to me on a daily basis ... sheesh.

@newtpondskipper

3 ай бұрын

One of the biggest problems we have in the USA is most have no real idea what true conservative or liberal means. Instead we have left and right radical camps or people who claim moderate but then argue one side. Propaganda runs strong on both sides.

@MacStyran

3 ай бұрын

@@newtpondskipper True. Though I only consider one of those sides dangerous. The other is more ... annoying and disappointing.

It's not a right or left thing anymore. It's a feeling that nothing is good anymore. I've heard it from the left and right pointing it out.

We're all hyper aware of DEI and ESG. We didn't start this war.

How do you misunderstood this hard?

Actually, and I say this with love “the left” (and to be fair, “the Right”)is authoritative propagandists, “liberal” is basically everyone else in America. Gene was Liberal and by comparison to today’s left, Reagan was Liberal. I love Justsomeguys critiques, but he is still stuck on the political divisions of the early 2000s.

Can we all agree that Nerdrotic has been and continues to be the "tip of the spear" in all this?

What would be the distribution of far right, right, neutral, left, and far left to you?

I recall a time when internet was more obvious and we all knew "haters will hate".