Wow!!! This video is pure gold. Thank you so much yet again for one of the best watchmaking videos ever made... period. What an eye opener. I bought the Seitz reamers as a separate set to use in a micro variable DC operated drill press. I also have the Horia jewelling set. Thanks again. You deserve a million subs. Brilliant camera work and editing.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed it so much 🙂

Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it -- and for explaining all of the pushers and anvils functions in detail! Great photography as well!

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful 👍

This video is a gem! A jeweling tool is next on my list as I get deeper into watchmaking, and this video perfectly explains and shows the methods and components of the tools. I have been watching the used tool market, where many sets are incomplete, and this video gives me a better understanding of what they are missing and whether or not I need them. Bravo! Thank you for making and sharing this! 😁

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Missing pushers shouldn’t be a problem because you can buy them new. But of course the more of them are missing, the more expensive it’s going to get. You really only need the concave pump pushers, I wouldn’t worry about the rest 👍

Great video (really!), but I have a couple of points. First is that you shouldn't have removed the spring when converting the Seitz to micrometer mode because that's why the pusher now doesn't go up when you unscrew the micrometer. It goes up and down just like the Horia if you don't remove the spring. Second point is that I'm glad you're pointing out the quality of (recent) Seitz pushers and stumps, but keep in mind that vintage ones are often much better made, correctly concave, and with little pump pusher side shake. This comparison is most useful if you're purchasing a new tool. Older Seitz sets also include far more stumps.

@MacroTime28800

Ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! The cap is not attachable to the spindle, I do not understand how it would go up? I can only compare what I have, I do not have the old Seitz tool hence only comparing the the new Seitz/Bergeon.

@hugeshows

Ай бұрын

@@MacroTime28800 The spring pushes the spindle back up, it doesn't attach to the cap as you noted. Try it! Also, the screw on the top of the cap changes the depth of the inside of the cap which allows you to 'zero' the micrometer in any given position. I just uploaded a demonstration video on my channel if you are curious.

Wow, again another excellent addition to your channel and probably the only video you need to see on the subject. It covers even smallest details and it is entertaining as well. A very big thank you form Germany!

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Glad to hear you enjoyed it! I tried to cover as much as possible, hopefully something for everyone, whether they are looking for a jewelling tool to buy or want to see how it is used

Very well detailed, and well presented video.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Oh, you watched another one! Glad you enjoy them 😉

Great video. I appreciate your level of attention to details. I have purchased an old Seitz. Anvils look better than new Bergeons in your video, but they are not polished as your Horias.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. I did have a feeling that the old Seitz would be better quality than the new Bergeon. Look after all the pushers and anvils you have. Should you need to replace them, you will get what you’ve seen in the video.

An excellent blend of entertainment and information.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂

Wow.. You're Narration is as Precise as the Tooling .thanks for a Very Enjoyable Video .

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed it 🙂

This is an incredibly detailed review of the tools. I learned quite a bit, thank you!

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks for this video. I had assumed all along that Bergeon was top of the range. That's horrendous how poorly finished some of those pieces are.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

I understand your assumption, I used to be the same. Bergeon makes more tools than Horia, they are everywhere and they are expensive which makes you think they are the best. They make some very decent tools but after purchasing the jewelling tool, brand new, I now feel very uncomfortable spending a lot of money on their tools because I don’t know what I’m going to get. The Horia tool, I can now appreciate why it costs what it costs. Unfortunately I can’t say that about Bergeon. Horia is clearly ahead of the game, way ahead.

Excellent video. Thank you very much.

@MacroTime28800

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Excelente vídeo. Thanks Leo.

@MacroTime28800

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

What a fantastic video!! Thankyou❤

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 😊

Great content. Thanks

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! 🙂

This is a must seen video. Keep it up!

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Thank you for the video. A very informative and educational video on these tools. Always like your videos.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! 🙂

Thanks

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Much appreciated 🙂

Couple of comments, You can use concave pushers as anvil if you have tight spaces just make sure to stop in time or you will crush the jewel after it's out. The threaded bottom on the horia is to fit a screw so you can use pushers upside down. You should never, ever push a jewel out from the underside to the outside or from outside to inside as the holes are slightly tapered to prevent jewels from being pushed out away from the axle if you do this you can damage the hole and have jewels that are looser than factory spec. Your Seitz press is a previous generation than what bergeon sells now, I've only used older sets so I can't comment on the quality of the latest one but my old sets where all perfect. I mainly use the horia both the micrometric kind and the lever, the reamers are really nice and they also have 5 sided broaches which are more ideal centering wise VS the D shaped reamers. You can put the spring back in the Seitz to make it go up again... The screw is for adjusting the depth of the spindle so you can use the micrometer bit and anvil. Good video overall. Edit, looking closely at your video it appears your spindle is missing the snap ring retaining the spring, if you have a lathe you can easily cut a groove for a split steel ring to fit. Your tool is useless otherwise it will just fall all the way down when you insert it...

@Inkreptile

Ай бұрын

I've also seen the micrometric horia and it works the same as the horia. "Chatons sa" also made a micrometric press.

@MacroTime28800

Ай бұрын

I thought that’s what the thread in the base of the Horia tool was for. I just found it strange that Horia didn’t have that screw on their website, or to be correct, I didn’t see one. I had a discussion with several watchmakers whether there is a way to push jewels out. One suggested that perhaps from the underside. My guess is that if the holes are tapered, that will be only on the higher end movements as this adds cost to manufacturing. Where did you get the info from? I don’t think the Bergeon/Seitz is missing the snap ring. It’s not mentioned anywhere in the documents from Bergeon. They either no longer do it that way or you perhaps bought a used one that has been modified?

@Inkreptile

Ай бұрын

@@MacroTime28800 most lower end movements have tapered holes, I was taught this in watchmaking school.

@Inkreptile

Ай бұрын

@@MacroTime28800 the Seitz is not modified.

@MacroTime28800

Ай бұрын

@@Inkreptile Thank you, that's good to know.

I have purchased Bergeon reamers for barrel jewel modification that were stamped with the wrong size, so measure don't assume.

@MacroTime28800

2 ай бұрын

It’s very disappointing. They ask so much money for it and give you something you’d expect to get if you bought a tool for a fraction of the price from China.

Thanks for this detailed review! Many of us have bought used original Seitz sets and I was wondering if they are similar in quality to the Bergeon made sets. I will have to check mine.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

I’ve never had the old Seitz set, but I dare to make an assumption that the pushers will be nicer than the new ones I have

Thanks! Great video. Have a pint on me.

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! 🙂👍

What is the name of that staking set. I can’t find a decent staking set

@MacroTime28800

2 ай бұрын

The Bergeon set I have? Star/Bergeon 15285-93C www.bergeon.swiss/potence-a-river-et-a-chasser-star.html

Disappointed of bergeon. I really like the ideea, and the different things you can do with it, but the quality...

@MacroTime28800

4 ай бұрын

The quality is a problem. The micrometre, after taking it apart and putting some grease there, it's much better now. But the pushers, that's something I'd expect from a cheap clone.

@Mc_Nizzle

3 ай бұрын

I have two older Bergeon/Seitz jewel setting tools and the quality is definetly better than on the tool in the video. I think the grey version from the 60s/70s is the best version, as it has 4mm pusher and 4mm anvils, not like the older ones with 3mm and 4mm mixed in a single set and the quality is at least better than shown in the video.

@MacroTime28800

3 ай бұрын

The quality is not what it used to be and of course it now costs a lot more than it used to. Perhaps the cost is just inflation but the quality suffers

Leo, I have to ask, where is your accent from? I have my ideas, but I’ll keep them to myself to avoid offense. I hope to hear!

@MacroTime28800

2 күн бұрын

I'm Czech but live in the UK 👍