I'm a detransitioner, went through hormone therapy, had top surgery, and lived as the opposite sex for 7 years. Thank God I came out of that, although I have to deal with the physical ramifications for the rest of my life. From my experience and all that I've seen, I will forever fight against the trans ideology.

@diiandraa_

22 күн бұрын

God Bless you ❤

@codyharney2997

20 күн бұрын

Thank you for your openness. We all need the truth to be championed at all times.

@stephenk5455

20 күн бұрын

Sorry you went through what sounds traumatic. But you can’t decide for all what’s best for them, just because it didn’t work out for you

@cmary718

20 күн бұрын

@@stephenk5455 bingo

@moonstar9559

20 күн бұрын

I hope you were not forced to detransition because of your environment. There are a lot of people who get bullied or harassed by family and such until they have no choice but to conform to the will of others.

While I disagree on just about everything he says, I commend Desmond for having the guts and composure to have these conversations and remain respectful.

@racheljane_

Ай бұрын

Agreed. This is probably the only time I have seen someone of his ideological worldview be able to have a cordial conversation and not be constantly condescending, and at some point lose their composure entirely. He still used a TON of anecdote for his arguments though. But it was refreshing to hear him put forth his ideas with his demeanour.

@Aweirdmushroom96

Ай бұрын

So many of these people aren’t bad people, they really think they’re doing good.

@rubykrueger2297

Ай бұрын

@@racheljane_ So true. He is a breath of fresh air. Hopefully more take after his example.

@rubykrueger2297

Ай бұрын

⁠@@Aweirdmushroom96 Exactly! It’s such a shame that the wacky minority are the face of that side.

@katnikkerkayla

Ай бұрын

@@rubykrueger2297and yet you just sat here calling them “him” so where’s the respect exactly? lol

Him saying it’s racist for a white person to “feel” black, but acting like he cannot make the connection between misogyny and a man “feeling” like a woman is mind blowing.

@JoyInTheSun

Ай бұрын

lol That is mind-blowing. What is also mind-blowing is that he hasn't called himself racist for "speaking" and "sounding" like a white girl.

@r-platt

Ай бұрын

A white person can identify _with_ the black culture. He cannot identify as a black person. Part of the problem is with the word "feel". It encompasses both emotions and identity traits. Where emotions change, identity traits are static. Ever see the impossible triangle? It's an optical illusion created by changing 1 corner. Once you spot the error, the illusion is broken. The statement "a man feeling like a woman" is using "feeling" to refer to an identity trait. It's a verbal illusion that makes it sound like trans women are actually men pretending to be women. And that's the error. If you transplant a trans woman's brain into a female body, she'd be just another girl. Thus a *man* cannot "feel" like a woman but millions of trans women do. (Conversely if you transplant a man's brain into a female body, he'll experience the most horrific gender dysphoria that will eventually drive him to self harm.)

@milpormilunmillon

Ай бұрын

I bet Desmond can actually see the issue, but refuses to admit it bc it would shatter the narrative

@jessicakeith8719

Ай бұрын

@@milpormilunmillonI felt this the entire podcast so far (I’m half way through) his questions and certain things he says almost leads you to believe he might not fully believe everything he says and has been told his whole life.

@user-fq1oj2tr3v

Ай бұрын

Seems more realistic to feel black.

You can see on Desmond that he's so afraid of offending anyone, he is constantly qualifying or editing what he says, and it's got him running in circles and tied up in knots, whereas Allie, although respectful, is able to just state the truth and leave it there. Desmond, I appreciate your heart and I will be praying for you 💗

@mimi2613

29 күн бұрын

Alot of contradictions

@Didleeios88

8 күн бұрын

Can we point out that Desmond was raised by two moms. Not only was he steeped in this ideology from birth, he also has his family relationships riding on whether or not he stays in the fold. This is really sad. I think we now have the results in on the gay parent's experiment...

@angeloc7486

8 күн бұрын

@@Didleeios88that’s a odd statement. Straight conservative families also have gay children.

@Didleeios88

8 күн бұрын

@@angeloc7486 yeah there's obviously more going on than just gay parent's making their kids gay. It can be both nature and nurture. I seem to see an outsized amount of very extreme gay/trans coming from single sex parents. Worth looking into the stats

@TrixieMatteI

Күн бұрын

we'll see you in hell ♥

The Dartmouth graduate and TikTok personality that Allie Beth is up against here is a HIGHLY SKILLED, IDEOLOGICALLY BOUND, gender activist out of the bay area. Allie is not only holding her own against the fluid fast-talker, she is winning with common sense AND factual responses. Thank you Allie for standing up for children and reality.

@annabyrne4662

Ай бұрын

Allie Beth is very educated and very smart. I wouldn’t discount her just because she isn’t a Dartmouth graduate

@SquirtlePower809

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! There is not a single person that can successfully defend gender ideology. I've never seen it done. In fact they ALWAYS end up arguing against themselves because it simply doesn't make sense. You can try to force logic into an illogical concept, but it inevitably will fall apart.

@betsywilkerson

Ай бұрын

Kudos for the civil conversation. Allie Beth does an excellent job here. Also, wish I had a dollar for every time Desmond said “right?” because I’d have some serious cash. 😉

@krystina1823

Ай бұрын

@@annabyrne4662 educated how? She has a degree in communications. And her answer to just about everything was unequivocally no. Which to me means she has no interest in researching the subject matter beyond her own moral beliefs. I don’t see how one can be educated on a subject when they’re so closed minded.

@alohafueled

Ай бұрын

Watched this guy get schooled and humbled on another interview where he put himself and ego ahead of the well being of his students and being respectful of their parents.

This is what a conversation should look like. No yelling, cussing each other out, or walking away enemies. Very civil!

@MO-xm1kj

22 күн бұрын

If we could only get the politicians to follow in their footsteps.

@leftwinghorror

21 күн бұрын

I don't believe the trans advocate would be civil of the trans activists were running society. I believe it's a ruse. The trans activist has to play the ball where it lies. If there was a societal shift that muzzled Allie Beth Stuckey on grounds that her views "harmful to marginalized peoples", it's very hard to imagine this trans advocate would speak up for her right to express her views.

@anapadilla7193

12 күн бұрын

Right! Absolutely loved it

Thank you Allie for representing a Biblical world view in a respectful manner!

I want an “unequivocally no” t-shirt.

@saphirarose5866

29 күн бұрын

I'll take mine on a mug :D

@veronicafruitfulltv5641

27 күн бұрын

Meee toooo😂

@blueskyz8097

23 күн бұрын

It'll go good with MY LIVE ROUNDS MATTER 💪🏾 🇺🇸 trucker Hat

“Unequivocally No.” 👌🏽

@Christlightheart

Ай бұрын

“I don’t agree with you but I get it“ was my favorite

@TheKatarinaGiselle

Ай бұрын

@@Christlightheartmine too!

@marykathrynholt

Ай бұрын

Allie shut him down, loved it

@marykathrynholt

28 күн бұрын

@@Karli_Kristine I believe she won the debate.

@marykathrynholt

28 күн бұрын

@@Karli_Kristine hey, look at the original comment “unequivocally no”.

I cannot believe our society has even gotten to this point where we are even having this conversation…..

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

It all.leads back to the UN...

@ckrigill3844

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@KatMoore-ih6mw

Ай бұрын

Believe it because Christians telling young people that their same sex attraction is wrong is partially to blame. Consider stopping that and magically Christian trans kids will disappear and emerge as simply gay 💖

@SquirtlePower809

Ай бұрын

Yeah same. Except I did see it coming slowly, but surely years ago. And I knew it would reach a certain "critical mass" point where it would then accelerate exponentially overnight (and it did) but no one would listen to me years ago. This ALL stems from academia and the invasion of Marxism and postmodern theory in higher education. Once they had control of our KNOWLEDGE production, they were able to affect every sphere of public life and society.

@pibby35-y6t

Ай бұрын

Right!!! Disturbing and just disgusting!!!! Satan has people so deceived!!!!

Imagine having a master's in gender studies. Homeschool, homeschool, homeschool.

@authorlindsaygibson

26 күн бұрын

Right? I can’t believe that’s even a topic let alone a whole degree

@lbelsick2689

23 күн бұрын

Yes! Definitely homeschool.

@rachela4071

20 күн бұрын

What the hell lol

@santiagosss

17 күн бұрын

Gender studies that actually do not have any single biology course in their programs.

I came out as trans ftm in 2015 (23 years old), and somewhere along the way, began to identify as 'non-binary' because I didn't feel like I 'fit' into what it means to be a woman or a man, while also feeling like I had characteristics of both. I also was aware that in trying to present myself as more masculine (wearing things like cargo pants, or oversized clothing), it was primarily A. a way of hiding my body, and B. more importantly, a perceived means of safety from unwanted male sexual attention. I say this because like many young women, I started being sexualized for my body shortly after I hit puberty (for a lot of women, it's much younger than that). So I essentially associated femininity with lack of safety, as a result, didn't want to 'look' like a girl. It's only through being married to an incredible man and coming to Faith in God, that I'm able to embrace my femininity, understanding that it's not, in fact, a 'threat' to my safety, but a celebration of Who God Created Me To Be and understanding that my husband would go to the ends of the earth to protect me and would never intentionally/with malice hurt me. In my Faith, I have found these two things to be true: First, "Trauma tells women that femininity isn't safe. God tells women that femininity is beautiful and to be cherished." Second, "Being sexualized all your life, you come to believe that being attractive is unsafe. But you also bec ome accustomed to it and believe your sexuality is all you have to offer and all that's valuable about you. It's only through healing in God that I've been able to accept my femininity and embrace it, in the safety of God's love and protection from His grace, including bringing my husband into my life." I think the most tragic and heartbreaking aspect of all of this with kids transitioning and the rapid incline of absolutely unnecessary/elective surgical procedures - is the underpinning notion that We as humans are customizable to Our own desires, means, and financial abilities. I genuinely feel like the rapid incline of elective cosmetic procedures/body modifications has an inherent dehumanizing undertone in saying "We aren't good enough *as is*, and we need 'this procedure' or 'that surgery' to be better." Call me crazy, and not even speaking as a Believer right now, but the only alternative to loving yourself as you are is NOT surgically changing what you don't like. It's *so* invasive, the risks are often not worth it, there's often maintenance needed for some procedures to 'keep them up', and I personally just feel like we've become so passive about medicalizing our human existence to the point that getting a surgical procedure done is as blasé as online shopping. To Desmond's point at 56:40 on Allie's comment of men and women complementing each other: My husband is *very* masculine without a lot of 'stereotypically' masculine traits, I'm quite feminine without most of 'stereotypically' feminine traits - *yet* we still complement each other beautifully. Not because we fit in the stereotypical presentations of what it means to be a man or a woman, but because fundamentally, he is a man and I am a woman; therefore, we inherently complement each other. We don't need a new label to define how we're different, we just Are wonderfully and beautifully Made As We Are.

@AllieBethStuckey

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing. Praise God.

@limbo232

Ай бұрын

Wow, thank you for sharing. What a beautiful testimony.

@leahdynes_lighterdays

Ай бұрын

@@limbo232 You are abundantly welcome. God has blessed me in ways that I become aware of every day, in that this story isn't my only testimony, or even my *main* testimony - it's simply the most relevant to the video. I appreciate your comment. ❤

@leahdynes_lighterdays

Ай бұрын

@@AllieBethStuckey thank you for having this conversation, it's such an important one! I don't have anything really of a social media/online presence, but if you're open to it, I'd love to chat with you to share more aspects of how God has transformed my life - that fortunately for me, aren't limited to the topic of this video.

@marebear09

Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Rosaria Butterfield talked about this in her recent book: Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age.

I’m a conservative Christian woman but this is an amazing conversation and both were very respectful and very informative as to why they think what they do. Our world would be a better place if we could have conversations just like this.

@madelineeathorne8561

Ай бұрын

I agree.

@Noah4evaa

Ай бұрын

Not really, no matter how eloquently and intellectually he presents his arguments, his platform is EVIL, and he is masterful at his presentation, Making him even more dangerous. You shouldn’t give evil a platform.

@followerofchrist3125

Ай бұрын

@@Noah4evaaNo wonder six kids were pulled out of his class. Just because he talks nice does not mean his ideas are nice as well.

@jmk576

Ай бұрын

@@followerofchrist3125he is not always this nice and level headed. I’ve seen him acting very rude and pushy. I would not let my child near a person who teaches this.

@KimberlyLBrown

Ай бұрын

No. The truth needs to be told. We don't need conversations we need to reveal the truth as a Christian.

Desmond is truly such a lovely person. Completely disagree with him but so refreshed by his openness, kindness, and humility.

@Phoebe907

Ай бұрын

Totally agree!

@jamestrotter3162

Ай бұрын

There's nothing "lovely" about perversion.

@pclare7477

Ай бұрын

And one of the only voices who actually is bold enough to step up to argue his side in a such a respectful manner.

@texvirgo9847

Ай бұрын

I adore him

@mattyh2464

Ай бұрын

I feel like if more non-binary were like Desmond this issue wouldn't be as volatile as what its become

This has to be the most polite debate I’ve ever seen

lol “Maybe not everyone’s focus is fertility” But a child who doesn’t care about fertility could become an adult that DOES care about fertility! Most kids don’t care about fertility or having babies lol

@bandbporter

Ай бұрын

Yeah this was disingenuous and Allie didn’t have time to address it

@shanmulford54

22 күн бұрын

Exactly! Your focus as a child will not be the same as your focus when you’re an adult

@ksbeauty85

19 күн бұрын

27:16 "She is scientifically correct, I do have to agree." No kidding idiot 🙄 And isn't your side all about tHe sCiEnCe? Mr. "I'm just sOoOo impressed with my Dartmouth degree" Desmond doesn't have a leg to stand on (no pun intended).

@ADanZLife

16 күн бұрын

transgender in the 80s and 90s was completely different than it is today because activists have turned it into a political movement for power and control and greedy dirtbags just want to make money off vulnerable individuals. There's a reason transsexuals do not want to be associated with the LGBTQ+ mafia. Just because people make up new words and call it a new gender does not mean there are more than 2 genders. Trans does not even exist without the binary.

@No_name860

12 күн бұрын

I know right. He’s a teacher he should understand how a child’s mind works. Most kids can’t even imagine ever wanting kids, yet most grow up and want them.

As a Christian conservative woman, I deeply appreciated both sides being willing to come to the table and have this conversation.

@dawsons9876

24 күн бұрын

Same!!❤

Desmond lies. You don’t have to be a right wing Christian to realise gender ideology is bad. I’m left wing British and I’ve been following this topic for years. It’s an ideology that has gripped so many people that it’s mind boggling they can’t see the harm it causes to women and children. Thankfully the tide is turning, especially here in the UK

@codyharney2997

20 күн бұрын

As well as males. It literally harms everyone outside their ideology and they dont care. It's their way or we are bigots

Allie is a gem, and we are blessed to have a reasonable, caring, intelligent voice like hers to articulate the conservative, biblical viewpoint.

I don’t agree with Desmond’s viewpoint, but I was really impressed with how respectful and well articulated he is. He and Allie both did an amazing job. This debate was awesome!!

@peaceful525

Ай бұрын

He isn't articulate. Tik Tok has ruined our ability to discern proper articulation. Go back and count the number of times he says "right."

@julianabenavides4878

28 күн бұрын

Yes he was hard to follow and his way of articulating arguments made them fall short against the wonderfully articulate opponent. It honestly gave me the vibe that he is confused in his own ideology as well. I have never had a teacher who speaks the way he does, right?

The 13 year old panicking at the changes of puberty is not unusual. This doesn’t mean a person is transgender and telling a child it is, is undue influence.

@tamom64

Ай бұрын

I certainly didn't enjoy puberty. Who wants to bleed every month and have cramps and sore breasts. But I never thought hey I don't have to be female. I was! End of story. Having 2 daughters was the best thing in my life! Breast feeding and being mother was something I'd never give up or want to change.

@rachelwhite3286

Ай бұрын

Exactly and that’s why it’s so dangerous that being uncomfortable during puberty = the kid is trans. When in reality feeling uncomfortable in your body during puberty is totally normal

@HaileysHealth

Ай бұрын

Yeah. I actually think it’s damaging to our society that kids can now choose to stop puberty. Some things in life are hard, and that’s just how it should be. We shouldn’t be making EVERYTHING easier. We need to go through hard things to get through life!

@dynamitesparkles1457

Ай бұрын

​@@HaileysHealthWhy do we need to go through hard things to get through in life tho? Hard times will exist regardless, but why from a fundamental standpoint do we need harm times when hards times usually bring trauma and PTSD?

@joeypchajek

Ай бұрын

​@@dynamitesparkles1457You literally can't avoid going through traumatic times, it's not possible and delusional to try to. As far as PTSD, some form of it too is inevitable. The question is how to deal, what is your mindset, your worldview, what reality do you stay anchored in. Who/what do you have as a support system? How do you support yourself?

His cutesy attitude is very off-putting. He clearly wasn't ready for Allie Beth. She was polite, empathetic, and to the point. A perfect example of a real woman.

@bandbporter

Ай бұрын

Yes, clear that what usually works for him, the whole “yes, and” approach, being very agreeable while saying “I don’t agree with that at all”, was foiled by Allie Beth and her absolute genius level mind and memory. Blessed by God for this moment in time

@Alohi-G

Ай бұрын

Okay cause I was searching for this because I thought I was crazy 😅

@InayahBlack

18 күн бұрын

“cutesy attitude” is the perfect description and 100% agree with your comment.

@susiewoodford2047

14 күн бұрын

I agree. I found his overly cheerful and constantly complimenting her disingenuous and frankly scary.

@user-bx4ti6ig3i

13 күн бұрын

​@@susiewoodford2047this! I 💯% agree with your comment.

That’s not how it works, my stepson did this, he had a full transition at 22yo and he only had to see the psychologist once the doctor once, and then went on to surgery, he called us a week after surgery and was hysterical and crying asking us what did he do, we love him dearly and unfortunately he’s attempted to commit suicide several times since surgery. This is a much deep rooted issue that needs to be work through.

@dani9622

27 күн бұрын

Oh my gosh. My heart breaks for him and your family 💔❤ I pray for healing for him !

@cristinabivins2240

27 күн бұрын

This broke my heart.

@brush412

26 күн бұрын

Oh my goodness. :( praying for him

@technofilejr3401

24 күн бұрын

Any process that requires you to cut off healthy body parts is NOT something to take lightly no matter the person’s age. I’ve also mentioned cases like this to people only for them to say “Why do you care?” or “Well people have the right to choose”. SMDH.

@arcturianoracle784

21 күн бұрын

@@technofilejr3401That question is so crazy too “why do you care.” Why do I care to know or understand if something completely absurd and seemingly damaging in enough cases is actually true or holds any truth whatsoever? Yeah, I wonder???? 💭

Hi Ellen, I’d love to speak to you. I’m a 24 year old detransitioner. I I identified as trans for half of my life. I somehow managed to avoid medical harm, except for 7 years of breast binding. I moved to the Middle East in order to transition, and lived among Palestinian Muslims and Orthodox Jews where no one knew I was female. I appreciate your calling out of logical fallacies and the incredible lack of evidence base.

@Hey_im_Marcy

Ай бұрын

Wait you didn't medically transition and identified as a man without gender dysphoria and only binded are you sure you don't just have body dismorphia with your breasts also the middle east to my knowledge actually depends also where you go doesn't allow transitioning so how did you transition other than just bind because you don't have to be trans to bind what else did you do? (Also I'm a trans woman has been waiting literally years just to get seen by an endocrinologist and I'm an adult the barriers are ridiculous and should be easier but due to people literally not liking trans people it's hard for me to just stay alive at this point)

@Mojojojo85757

Ай бұрын

@@Hey_im_Marcyfor one thing, from my understanding of the liberal gender ideology perspective, you would be out of line telling this person they aren’t trans. How dare you assume their experience right? Who are you to say who is and isn’t trans? I was under the impression, from the trans community, that if you say you’re trans, you’re trans. Period end of discussion…. Right? Besides that wait lists aren’t long bc “people don’t like trans people” 🙄 they’re long because there are more referrals than discharges and hospitals don’t have enough trained staff to keep up. That’s according to every single source I could find online. I understand you’re frustrated but I don’t think accusing other people and taking it out on them is going to make your wait time any shorter …

@moshiachgirlie

Ай бұрын

I saw your interview with Buck Angel and it was great!!!! Keep doing you חיים שלי

@SquirtlePower809

Ай бұрын

​@@Hey_im_Marcy yeah I'm sorry, but it's sooooooo lazy to just do the cliche "everyone hates trans people" stuff. Like, come on. The fact is the vast majority of people had NO PROBLEM with trans people UNTIL the gender woke warriors started getting super extreme and pushed people way too far. So yeah, now people are very critical and cautious about gender ideology, but that doesn't mean they "hate them". Myself for example, my BEST friend identifies as trans and my cousin identifies as trans-- however I don't even believe in transgenderism. That doesn't mean I hate them lolz. I just believe it's a false concept and is really just the result of mental health issues. Also, I'm super curious about your specific situation because from literally EVERY story and Stat I've read-- the medical transitioning occurs insanely fast and without any barriers or guardrails.

@user-nj9ru4ef2w

Ай бұрын

why in the world would a trans person move to highly religious areas?

Ellen is trying to set the internet on fire and I’m here for it 😅 🔥

I feel like the foundation of his comments is this: “I agree with you, but I don’t know what to do with myself now and my situation. I don’t fit in any binaries and I don’t know what to do. What should I do?” He keeps asking her “what should I do?” Over and over in so many different ways. He believes her and is going through radical revelations in the moment about the truth of his identity but he doesn’t know what to do with it. I really hope that she can speak to him off camera and support him.

@KMBVD

26 күн бұрын

I noticed the same thing. He said things like “what would you do if you were my mother”? along with many other “what should I do” scenarios. I definetly believe this conversation was a deep revelation to him.

@codyharney2997

20 күн бұрын

Definitely picked up on the confusion that is present in so many of the ideology. He was genuinely confused, learning new facts and perspectives, and causing him to question himself and his motives up til now. They are lost and just want help but fight anyone with logic

@angeloc7486

10 күн бұрын

It’s not that deep. Hé is a teacher. This is his aprouch to open the the conversation further.

Has ANYONE else noticed how much young people who "debate" say "right..." While they are talking CONSTANTLY like Desmond does? To me, it's almost like they are trying to convince themselves by constantly saying it. I find it really annoying

@Alohi-G

Ай бұрын

Lack of confidence , without someone to confirm they don’t really feel confident in it .

@suzzannarogers

Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! Even with the high held hands or very enthusiastic hand movements. I wonder if it's a psychological word that he think may get the other person to believe. Beautiful discussion on both sides either way.

@laurengiannopoulos9504

14 күн бұрын

It's not only him, there's many other people who say "right" when trying to make a point. I had a college professor who was constantly saying "right" while lecturing and I took it to be that he was not so much trying to convince us as he was telling us that what he was saying was right.

@lorirad

9 күн бұрын

It’s the new “like”

10000000% on Allie's side. While it's not the same, I remember 13 years ago when I first became a die hard vegan and I got it tattooed on my skin because "I was in it for life". I was so passionate and set that I was going to be vegan for the rest of my life. I'm no longer vegan. The only repercussion I personally face is a tattoo that no longer represents me. I think of trans kids who make these life altering decisions that were just as passionate and PERMANENTLY change their bodies at a young age....nothing in this life is guaranteed - we can all have a shift in perspective and not all decisions are an "oopsie I changed my mind".

@NivesScott

Ай бұрын

😂 i tattooed Darwin’s first sketch of his tree of life on my arm 15 years ago because “there’s no way I would ever be anything other than an atheist” and here we are!

@k.h.7575

Ай бұрын

That's such a good point :) . Yes and I think most people have tried something similar. A tattoo is scary enough, but changing our sex is another level. The personality will go through changes and get temporary ideas ESPECIALLY when u r young and u r discovering yourself, which is healthy and natural. Its the grown ups who need to stop blowing this up, and make it a reality, without them it wouldn't happen. Healthy boundaries, emotional support and mental guidance is what they need instead. Unfortunately not all grown ups are reliable in this way.

@Blessthelordohmysoul333

Ай бұрын

Lol 😆 ❤good example, honestly.

@bethjohnson6832

Ай бұрын

Such a good example. I did the same in 2016 btw 😂 I am still vegan, but I totally empathise with your point because if I didn't have this tattoo... I certainly would not get it now!

@homesteadinthesuburbs5092

Ай бұрын

Such a good point. And for the record, adults make decisions we regret all the time. Without Christ, we are ALL so lost.

I’m much more aligned with Allie morally and politically, but I’ve followed Desmond on TikTok for years. He always came across very genuine and I appreciate that. Also, he doesn’t put down people he disagrees with.

@theellenfisherpodcast

Ай бұрын

that's why I picked him! Desmond is so genuine and kind, and Allie is too!

@TheKatarinaGiselle

Ай бұрын

Same!! Followed him since 2020 and he is a rare gem of a human being and I'm glad he is a teacher/ and I don't say that about many people on the left!

@jes6427

Ай бұрын

I disagree with nearly everything Desmond says, yet find him a pleasant person to listen to debate, hes so kind and positive

@TheKatarinaGiselle

Ай бұрын

@@jes6427 I only got half way through (saving it for another day) but there was actually one thing I kind of agreed with him on and that was the laser hair removal. Perhaps it's because I'm a woman that has always dealt with unwanted hair on my chin esp and lip (lip is easier to deal with though) but it affects me every single day. And while I did try to see Allie's perspective, I do also think his parents weren't the type of liberal manipulators we see to day. I think the adults around him cared about his independent thinking and I think they also knew him and knew from an early age who he was and trusted that at 16, he was sure about wanting to never have to deal with facial hair. Because most boys are EXCITED to gain their facial hair. And the thicker and darker it is, the better they feel. I have a thyroid problem and other hormonal issues and autoimmune diseases- but I am a woman and my skin was not meant for facial hair! It honestly is such a burden. And for all we know, many more effemenent gay men may have certain hormonal issues which does the opposite and effects them in a way where their _skin_ is morelike a woman's, and shaving it hurts like it does for me..and it just feels WRONG. Idk how or what things may effect a gay man (in the biological sense in relation to the body) but these are very real things to consider scientifically. I think about this because I was always a "tok boy" even though I always looked very femenine, but I always wondered if that affected why I was attracted to both boys and girls. As as I got older and my health problems got worse (and symptoms like the facial hair got worse) I always wondered if therw was a direct correlation. But at the end of the day- for the majority of people, that correlation doesn't matter and they just want a solution so they can feel their best self and not have something making it harder to leave their home everyday. So while I am just over half way through- that is the one thing I agreed with him on, and I also want to add that I do think things like that are very individual based. And nobody knows ones kids as much as their parents..the unfortunate part is we can never know if ones parents are sociopaths or manipulative or...you catch my drift. So that's where things like this do get touchy- but I also saw where he was coming from in that..if he hadn't had his parents- he could have rebled SO MUCH HARDER and not thought "I need my facial hair gone" and instead gone straight for the "I AM TRANS AND NEED TO CHANGE EVERYTHING!" But that is a hypothetical and one he has probably mulled over many times. The fact is- he wasn't born into that type of family and clearly had great influences because otherwise he wouldn't be able to sit here and have such an understanding and kind discussion despite their very different opinions. I just hope he continues to speak with conservatives (and more gay conservatives!!) I'd like to see him chat with Michael Knowles too, but I just thought of about 3-4 gay conservative men whom I would LOVE to see him debate/talk to! I hope he continues doing more podcasts!

@TheKatarinaGiselle

Ай бұрын

@@jes6427 my bad for writing a novel! 😂 It's the ad talking!

No one is tracking these "kids" later. How would we have accurate "statistics".

"Why can't we just call them what they want to be called and let them figure it out?" Because love rejoices in the Truth.

Children cannot consent, period. And parents don’t have any right to consent for them to harmful things. Rather, Parents have the responsibility to help their kids thrive in the world by accepting reality.

@tobeymickelson1299

Ай бұрын

Right on!

@Evan.280

Ай бұрын

that's a hard concept for libs. children don't even know what color the sky is yet somehow a child can decided if he/she wants to transition lmao? i don't care if an adult transitions but no child should know what that even is

@clarakittmer7376

Ай бұрын

Remember they don’t just wake up and get the surgery’s one day. They have to speak to multiple specialists and doctors and get a lot of opinions.

@user-vn6xo2tc9r

Ай бұрын

Im curious, with that attitude, do you support conversion camps?

@GratiaPrima_

Ай бұрын

@@user-vn6xo2tc9r more than this type. Yea. But no, not really.

Omg! CHILDREN SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE ALLOWED TO ALTER THEIR BODIES!!!

@Hey_im_Marcy

Ай бұрын

Exactly puberty blockers for all minors

@paulan7218

Ай бұрын

@@Hey_im_Marcy puberty blockers have been known to take away fertility permanently. No child should be on puberty blockers. The puberty blockers used on children were originally created to chemically castrate sex offenders. This is not something we should be giving children.

@jacksonmcnuggets7488

Ай бұрын

Not even adults should alter their bodies but ya you do you boo

@steventalik4782

Ай бұрын

@@jacksonmcnuggets7488 I have to disagree with that. As an adult, you have the right to do whatever you want with your body. No one should control what you can and cannot do with it.

I am a detrans woman. I've been going through states of shock and grief processing what's happened to me. There is an in-depth worldview for trans people, we have our own ideas about what we are and what medical treatments are doing. It's hard to explain to people the regret and sorrow and confusion we face when our understanding of what's happened to us changes. I never participated that much in LGBT culture and always disagreed with Social Justice. But I was trans and believed I was a man with a rare disorder. It's not a good time, it's not all positive like it's portrayed. It's absolute hell and torture that separates you from most people and otherizes you. A sense of being deformed and warped follows you around. Medical transition is seen as a set of medical treatments, but it's more accurately described as radical body modification, and it comes with lifelong consequences. At the end of the day, being trans was lonely and alienating. It was a disorder that followed me everywhere. And most of us can't fathom the idea of NOT transitioning as a path to healing. It's extremely hard to face.

@saltandsriracha

Ай бұрын

God bless you in your journey and thank you for sharing.

@holliewood5

Ай бұрын

God still has a plan for your life! I pray that you can let Jesus come into your deepest pain and show you his love. He wants to be Lord of your life and can help you.

@RS-zj2sg

29 күн бұрын

I’m sorry for you’re sorrows. Thank you for sharing😊

@sierrabartlett8882

22 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story! I hope you are doing alright :)

"Right?,Right?Right?,Right? Right?,Right?Right? Right?" WRONG!!!!!!!

@Laura_and_Chai

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 my exact thoughts

@kittylover4974

Ай бұрын

Hahahah his “right right right” drove me nuts lol

@bebesavage2672

Ай бұрын

And "omg I love that"

@BenRebekah

23 күн бұрын

I think he was trying to convince himself... wonder how many times he said it in this convo

@catherineciesla5787

19 күн бұрын

The “right” that we so often hear any more is LITERALLY my biggest pet peeve!!!!!

I love how respectful both of these parties were. As a neuroscientist though I was cringing at all of the scientifically inaccurate/misleading statements he made. He regularly misrepresented basic biology. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Desmond has never actually read any of the peer reviewed studies he referenced because he was quoting pop sci headlines which contradict the actual conclusions of the studies.

@qwnpngwn672

Ай бұрын

Wow, that's actually critical because he appeals to his authority of that subject multiples times. Personally i agree 100 pct with Allie, though when Desmond brought up a piece of information based on neuroscience, I had to at least think okay well he must be right.

@DogDocLou

Ай бұрын

Desmond should read the Cass Report…

@jeffreywp

Ай бұрын

I wasn’t surprised by this as Desmond is an educator and education continues to appeal to debunked theories (e.g., learning styles, etc.). Still appreciated the respectful dialogue my.

@michaelschmidt6536

23 күн бұрын

Please provide the accurate studies so we all can be better informed. Thank you for commenting! Praying for humanity to understand why we are on this earth and perfectly created just as we are.

@Yahsbsuq

21 күн бұрын

I cringe every time he brings up his education to make a point. If your point is good and you can back it up correctly, there’s no reason to point to your education. I bet it works on very ignorant people though

As the conversation progresses, Desmond's body language gets more defensive, self-protective. That's because he's subconsciously realizing that his ideology isn't rooted in reality and that his "arguments" are circular, illogical, nonsensical, and immature.

Do I agree with Desmond? Not in the slightest. HOWEVER, this was the most respectful debate I feel like I've ever witnessed and have much more respect for both sides than I ever have before. I have followed Allie for years and love her, but this debate was amazing and I genuinely finally understand a little more about what others think, even if I don't agree.

“I hear what you’re saying and it’s factually accurate. I just don’t agree.” Bingo. Truth is truth. But we humans too often choose to let our feelings lead us, regardless of reality.

So over-the-top smooth, so evasive, sneaky, and yet so insistent. With this type of snake oil salesmen in schools, no wonder the ideology has spread like wildfire among our children.

@ADanZLife

16 күн бұрын

"many studies show that school-based sex education simply does not work." "substantial research shows that adolescents’ most effective sex educators are their parents." - Michael Castleman M.A. What Good Is School-Based Sex Education?

I totally agree Allie Beth. It is morally and ethically wrong to interfere with a person's healthy body and developing psyche. Not everything that can be done in theory needs to be done by a person.

@madelineeathorne8561

Ай бұрын

Absolutely

@winterwood7985

Ай бұрын

Someone who suffers dysphoria everyday will likely not have a healthy psyche, and chances are they could become suicidal, that’s just what the data says. Hormones can help with a psyche that is dealing with dysphoria. If hormones are restricted for people with a developing psyche, which would be people until the age of 25 or older, then we also need to ban most antidepressants, anti anxiety meds and stimulants, because of their possible influence on someone’s psyche. But doing that would increase suffering of people who need those medications during a certain time period. It’s the same case with hrt and puberty blockers.

@fhadekhemmy

Ай бұрын

​@@winterwood7985 You may have a point but in reality, how many people who transition or "treat" their dysphoria this way get better after doing it? If anything it gets worse in many cases.

@sashabenoit1518

Ай бұрын

​@@winterwood7985 That's what horribly biased and ideologically influenced data says. It's not based on actual facts. You should really read the WPATH files that were recently released. The top "experts" and Doctors were exposed for medical malpractice and were caught admitting to lying and completely making up a lot of the data and common talking points that are in favor of gender affirming care. The files stated that we do not have sufficient evidence that treating dysphoria with G.A.C. is an effective method and to the contrary, the studies conducted actually showed that there was little to no improvement in 90% of their trans patient's mental health and that many showed sui¢idal ideation AFTER transition with high rates of regrets and detransition. It was also found that in the large majority of children, their dysphoria actually subsides AFTER going through puberty. Additionally, all of the studies that claim that G.A.C. is safe and effective were not conducted in a proper manner and doesn't even come close to meeting the scientific standards for practicing Medicine. Not only do these studies not meet the set required standards but they were also done incorrectly. The studies were all conducted on a far too small number of people in the groups and they followed up with these people to ask if they were happy with their transition only a couple of times for just the first 3-6 months, for the most part, with some up to a year. Obviously, people are much more likely to be happy with their choice in the beginning, when everything is still fresh and new and exciting before the honeymoon phase wears off and reality sets back in. And the other studies, that directly contradict these and were actually done properly, clearly shows that their data is incorrect and they are an unreliable source. On top of the WPATH files, we have all of the leading Northern European Countries that have been the trailblazers of trans care and transitions for the past several decades, including for minors, and that the US points to as evidence to back their claims in favor of G.A.C., are now all walking back on their positions on G.A.C. and acknowledging the serious flaws in the data. Unfortunately, despite the release of the truth behind these studies and the fact that all of the leading Countries are now reversing on the issue, the US has doubled down on their approval of G.A.C. and are actively trying to suppress information that goes against it, even from our own top Medical experts and highly respected professionals in the field. Please look into some of the testimonies from these experts and the actual Doctors and former staff from our Gender Clinics across the Country. They all have the same story of patients, many of whom are minors, that go through these Clinics without any question or pushback. It's standard practice to just immediately affirm their self diagnosis, typically walking out with a prescription in hand for hormones after just 20-30 minutes of their first consult. Doctors and staff are not allowed to question the patients and there's almost never a mental health analysis to actually determine a medical diagnosis for dysphoria and address any potential other conditions or contributing factors such as Autism, BPD, BiPolar Disorder, PTSD/CPTSD, childhood trauma and/or history of se×ual a$$ault, of which a disproportionately high number of these patients commonly suffer from one or more of. Additionally, the majority of these Clinics do not require a patient to actually be suffering from dysphoria in order to start medical intervention, even in regards to surgical procedures. Many have been reported to go as far as coaching people, especially minors, what to say and even directly tell them to actually lie about having dysphoria after they've admitted to the Clinic's social worker that they do not experience dysphoria, among other things that should automatically disqualify them from G.A.C. I can tell that your hearts in the right place and that you genuinely care about these people and only want the best for them to live happy and fulfilling lives. That's why I strongly implore you to do some research and listen to patients who have gone through the process, as well as people from the field who have left due to the severe dishonesty and dangerous practices taking place. It's a real eye opener and truly shocking just how much the public has been misled on this issue. I used to be just like you, advocating for these people to get the proper care, which I truly believed was G.A.C. but after everything I've seen and learned, I can no longer support that. At least not without the proper safety measures in place with lots of therapy, making the treatment of mental health the absolute top priority and first method of treatment. I also no longer believe that minors can give informed consent to medical intervention, especially after hearing several Medical professionals and patients state that they cannot meaningfully consent. Doctors and staff, as well as the patients themselves, have admitted to recognizing that the majority of these minors truly do not understand what they are consenting to, nor do they have a realistic grasp on what transitioning actually is. There are many minors that actually believe that they are changing se×es and that transitioning will literally make the opposite se×, completely indistinguishable from the natural biological se× they wish to become. There are even reports from patients who were told that this was the case from their actual Doctors at these Clinics. Unfortunately, these Doctors know the truth but because they are ideologically captured, they are determined to go against the facts to get the outcome they desire. Not to mention the very real financial motive/incentive behind all of this. There are Medical conferences that you can go watch where the spokesperson/salesman is pitching G.A.C. and related surgical devices and equipment for these procedures, as well as Pharmaceuticals, to a room full of Surgeons, Doctors, and other people in the field and their sole focus is on the massive profits made off of these surgeries, that they sell as packages, and they literally talk about the patients by means of how much they are worth financially if they get the "whole package", which is upwards of $100k per patient. That being said, I still do believe that a very small portion of the population genuinely have dysphoria and would actually benefit from a transition but I cannot support minors. It's just too risky and doesn't make logical sense to allow them to make such a decision that young.

@sashabenoit1518

Ай бұрын

​@@winterwood7985 That's what horribly biased and ideologically influenced data says. It's not based on actual facts. You should really read the WPATH files that were recently released. The top "experts" and Doctors were exposed for medical malpractice and were caught admitting to lying and completely making up a lot of the data and common talking points that are in favor of gender affirming care. The files stated that we do not have sufficient evidence that treating dysphoria with G.A.C. is an effective method and to the contrary, the studies conducted actually showed that there was little to no improvement in 90% of their trans patient's mental health and that many showed sui¢idal ideation AFTER transition with high rates of regrets and detransition. It was also found that in the large majority of children, their dysphoria actually subsides AFTER going through puberty. Additionally, all of the studies that claim that G.A.C. is safe and effective were not conducted in a proper manner and doesn't even come close to meeting the scientific standards for practicing Medicine. Not only do these studies not meet the set required standards but they were also done incorrectly. The studies were all conducted on a far too small number of people in the groups and they followed up with these people to ask if they were happy with their transition only a couple of times for just the first 3-6 months, for the most part, with some up to a year. Obviously, people are much more likely to be happy with their choice in the beginning, when everything is still fresh and new and exciting before the honeymoon phase wears off and reality sets back in. And the other studies, that directly contradict these and were actually done properly, clearly shows that their data is incorrect and they are an unreliable source. On top of the WPATH files, we have all of the leading Northern European Countries that have been the trailblazers of trans care and transitions for the past several decades, including for minors, and that the US points to as evidence to back their claims in favor of G.A.C., are now all walking back on their positions on G.A.C. and acknowledging the serious flaws in the data. Unfortunately, despite the release of the truth behind these studies and the fact that all of the leading Countries are now reversing on the issue, the US has doubled down on their approval of G.A.C. and are actively trying to suppress information that goes against it, even from our own top Medical experts and highly respected professionals in the field. Please look into some of the testimonies from these experts and the actual Doctors and former staff from our Gender Clinics across the Country. They all have the same story of patients, many of whom are minors, that go through these Clinics without any question or pushback. It's standard practice to just immediately affirm their self diagnosis, typically walking out with a prescription in hand for hormones after just 20-30 minutes of their first consult. Doctors and staff are not allowed to question the patients and there's almost never a mental health analysis to actually determine a medical diagnosis for dysphoria and address any potential other conditions or contributing factors such as Autism, BPD, BiPolar Disorder, PTSD/CPTSD, childhood trauma and/or history of se×ual a$$ault, of which a disproportionately high number of these patients commonly suffer from one or more of. Additionally, the majority of these Clinics do not require a patient to actually be suffering from dysphoria in order to start medical intervention, even in regards to surgical procedures. Many have been reported to go as far as coaching people, especially minors, what to say and even directly tell them to actually lie about having dysphoria after they've admitted to the Clinic's social worker that they do not experience dysphoria, among other things that should automatically disqualify them from G.A.C. I can tell that your hearts in the right place and that you genuinely care about these people and only want the best for them to live happy and fulfilling lives. That's why I strongly implore you to do some research and listen to patients who have gone through the process, as well as people from the field who have left due to the severe dishonesty and dangerous practices taking place. It's a real eye opener and truly shocking just how much the public has been misled on this issue. I used to be just like you, advocating for these people to get the proper care, which I truly believed was G.A.C. but after everything I've seen and learned, I can no longer support that. At least not without the proper safety measures in place with lots of therapy, making the treatment of mental health the absolute top priority and first method of treatment. I also no longer believe that minors can give informed consent to medical intervention, especially after hearing several Medical professionals and patients state that they cannot meaningfully consent. Doctors and staff, as well as the patients themselves, have admitted to recognizing that the majority of these minors truly do not understand what they are consenting to, nor do they have a realistic grasp on what transitioning actually is. There are many minors that actually believe that they are changing se×es and that transitioning will literally make the opposite se×, completely indistinguishable from the natural biological se× they wish to become. There are even reports from patients who were told that this was the case from their actual Doctors at these Clinics. Unfortunately, these Doctors know the truth but because they are ideologically captured, they are determined to go against the facts to get the outcome they desire. Not to mention the very real financial motive/incentive behind all of this. There are Medical conferences that you can go watch where the spokesperson/salesman is pitching G.A.C. and related surgical devices and equipment for these procedures, as well as Pharmaceuticals, to a room full of Surgeons, Doctors, and other people in the field and their sole focus is on the massive profits made off of these surgeries, that they sell as packages, and they literally talk about the patients by means of how much they are worth financially if they get the "whole package", which is upwards of $100k per patient. That being said, I still do believe that a very small portion of the population genuinely have dysphoria and would actually benefit from a transition but I cannot support minors. It's just too risky and doesn't make logical sense to allow them to make such a decision that young.

I really really respect these two for having such an incredibly respectful debate in which they honored each other despite their opposite viewpoints. We’ve never needed this example more.

The amount of mental gymnastics he hast to do to make his point is exhausting. I also am getting the vibe that he uses “right” after every statement as a way of validating his point to himself.

@day502222

Ай бұрын

Right!!!!:)

@layceelou2275

Ай бұрын

I see a lot of people using “right” at the end of sentences. I don’t know if it’s them trying to find validation or just the way they talk nowadays.

@mimi2613

29 күн бұрын

Yes!!!! Just answer the damn question...sheesh

@jwright1966

20 күн бұрын

All the black progressive commentators talk this way.

@annaburke8537

4 күн бұрын

Same, that is one oe my pet peeves. I love the Mind Change podcast but she always says that too haha. ​@@layceelou2275

Feel like the Holy Spirit was with Ally while she was talking. She was articulate and did not veer from the truth of God. She also was not emotional and rude about anything, but had self-control and respect for the person in front of her because she knows they are made in the image of God and they are loved by God. So inspiring wow

Absolutely NO. Teach them to love and accept themselves. It may hurt not having “celebration and affirmation” on gender but you will be saving their lives and so much pain later.

@Hey_im_Marcy

Ай бұрын

Yes dead children are better than having any trans kids because that's what happens to kids when forced to conform to heteronormativity literally only reason I'm still here after years of trying to get hrt is that I have a appointment with an endocrinologist in December also forcing a kid to conform is not loving and accepting you're literally saying what homophobic parents did to their kids if they were gay and forced them into conversion therapy

@liddykat

Ай бұрын

💯

@Jme2692

Ай бұрын

Sure.. but also I think if we didn't have so much pressure and expectation on gender stereotypes there wouldn't be as big of an issue. we'd feel more comfortable loving ourselves if we weren't expected to be a certain way. Everyone has masculine AND feminine traits/hormones.

@Mrs.CGraves

Ай бұрын

@@Jme2692 99.9% of Parents LOVE AND SUPPORT their children. They don’t care about expression, or gender roles, We are Gen Z for goodness sakes, the majority of us Protested and Voted for ALL the Gay rights that people enjoy today. We protested and voted for equality, supported grassroots orgs, anything bucking “tradition” A very anti-establishment Generation. BUT, Medically transitioning a minor is appalling and against everything that’s true in the world. Kids go thru phases, discovery, switch back and forth, and should be doing all that. They also MUST have time to develop their sexuality. That too takes TIME. So making an assumption Parents won’t be supportive and a teacher should impose themselves in any type of role like that is UNACCEPTABLE . Just teach. Stay out of the personal lives of the kids. If something concerning is shared TELL TNE PARENT, give resources and let them navigate it. As it’s always been done. And stop assuming ALL parents are enemies

@saltandsriracha

Ай бұрын

​@@Jme2692I agree. At certain points in history, men wore makeup, dresses, and heels. We were doing away with many gender stereotypes in the 90s and early 2000s. Somehow, it's made a massive comeback within the left ideology. That if you like pink, you're a girl. I remember the interview Daniel Radcliffe had with a group of trans kids. This one boy kept saying "I was born a boy so I'm SUPPOSED to like cars, I'm SUPPOSED to like baseball... etc but I don't, so I'm a girl!" (maybe the wrong words but the gist is there, you can watch it) I couldn't help but feel so sorry for this little boy, that he's been lied to. I don't think generalized stereotypes are going anywhere, but this hyperfocus on them is detrimental.

While I don’t agree with Desmond, I love his positive and upbeat personality. This was a great conversation. If all people with conflicting beliefs would speak this respectfully to one another, we would live in a much better world.

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

Would we really?

This was hard to get through. I only stayed for Alley. He is throwing around unfounded statistics, he’s all over the place and I think a lot of people are confusing respect with being condescending. He’s extremely condescending and was looking for ways to trip Alley up. All he could do was keep asking her questions because there is no way to justify his beliefs. I’m thankful he was able to have this conversation with Alley though. The seed has been planted, another will water, and God will give the increase. I pray the best for him; which is salvation, healing, & deliverance.

@leespice4843

Ай бұрын

it’s because the conversation was going to be mild so basically it was tactics to open the mind to see ally’s views! another’s words christian’s aren’t very open minding compared to liberals!

I'm so thankful that, when I struggled with anorexia, my psychologist endeavoured to have my mind align with the truth of what is healthy, instead of affirming an unhealthy body standard. Sure, there are rare conditions where people are born without body fat. That doesn't mean that trying to be that way when you have a healthy body isn't damaging. My message to Desmond is to embrace the body God gave you. It's not shameful to be a man. If he has experienced childhood abuse I would recommend Christian counselling to help him come to terms with it and move past it.

Desmond was extremely respectful, and a great guest to have on the channel. Even though he doesnt agree with all the things allie and myself agree with, he was respectful enough to speak his mind while accepting others may not have the same thoughts on things as he does.

It wasn't really a debate, it was more of just a conversation. Desmond didn't really argue his case, he just asked a lot of questions. Still interesting to listen to though.

@ADanZLife

16 күн бұрын

Desmond seems like the kind of person who just wants to please everyone and be liked by everyone. I know this because I have a similar personality. I avoid conflict.

This makes me want to be so much more polite and respectful when I disagree.

In the beginning when they were talking about suicide I wish Allie would’ve brought up the point that these studies are not following people for years after transitioning. Suicide is HIGHEST 10 years post transition, but the studies will not follow these people that far because they know what they’ll find.

@TheHcjfctc

20 күн бұрын

This! I had a friend send me all these studies about lowered suicidality, but all was only within a year or two except one and that one went to 6 years, I think, and the suicidality started to go up after a few years.

Good on you Ellen for having this conversation. Allie Beth is awesome.

Wow. Just wow. I so admire the respect these 2 had with each-other in their speech. So gracious, listening to each other, no naming calling, stuck to the issues, didn’t take it personally, found commonality, and no one cut each other off. I wish all debates were like this.

@slimjadeyyy

Ай бұрын

Yes 🙌🏼

This weekend my 11-yr-old son and I went to an amusement park. Halfway through we met a young, black lesbian on a ride. All three of us hung out the rest of the day and had fantastic conversations about the state of the world and LGBTQ issues. I learned so much from her and value the openness we had towards one another. Very different lives, but still loving. This conversation is powerful because of its civility. Thank you!

@mimi2613

29 күн бұрын

U just met this one random woman at an amusement park all by herself????

I’ve been thinking on this over night & I just want to add to the conversation… we are a conservative Christian family and my boys have no struggle with their identity. When they were young, they would dress up in their sisters skirts and dresses for fun, they would wear nail polish (because what kid wouldn’t want fun colours on their nails), they even had their own baby dolls that they would care for (& even make believe breast feed) while I cared for the babies. As recently as this week my 13 year old son was playing with my makeup with his sisters. This doesn’t make them any less of a Boy. They don’t think that because they sometimes do more “feminine” things that they must question their identity.

@lydiah7184

Ай бұрын

Yes I love this!!! Same here. My son is 8 with an older and younger sister. He’ll paint his nails with his sisters sometimes and used to wear dresses sometimes to play dress up 😂

AMAZING conversation Allie, the Holy Spirit was guiding you through this all! May He change the heart of Desmond and lead to repentance and a life full of the one and only REAL truth!

@TheGr8erPurpose

27 күн бұрын

Amen! I’m praying for Desmond for that transformation that *only* Jesus can do in us and through us🤍 praying for Allie too! That she’d continue to be led and that God would continue giving her opportunities to glorify Him in these spaces, such mighty obedience from Allie!

I love that Desmond respects the individual rights of parents with their children, whether or not he agrees with them. That is gold! It's is so rare. Too many people are trying to parent other people's children.

@MelissaCaskey-wm7zp

Ай бұрын

Yes after seeing so many woke teachers wanting to talk to their students about their own identity. I appreciated him saying that he does not involve that in his education of kids

@ADanZLife

16 күн бұрын

Fun fact: sex ed in school has accomplished nothing and research has proven that the best sex educators are parents. I have 3 sisters. The oldest got pregnant before graduating high school. The other has two kids with two different men. And the last one has sex with so many different men she has no idea who the father is. If my parents were more involved and didn't just say 'Don't have sex until marriage", then perhaps things would have turned out differently.

His "Right? Right?" drove me crazy 😅😅

@vixen7774

Ай бұрын

Just admit you just don’t like him that’s why you are not pivking

@JoyNoelle.

Ай бұрын

Right?

@bandbporter

Ай бұрын

inSANE

@lydiah7184

Ай бұрын

Same it’s hard to listen because of it to be honest.

The fact that we even have to have debates like this shows just how stupid our society has become. Basic biology is the hard hitting issue of the 21st century 🥴

This was amazing. I'm with Allie 110% but Desmond my respect goes to you as well. You came and you were respectful. That's huge, we need these conversations to help our children, adults and all of our futures.

@slimjadeyyy

Ай бұрын

👏🏼

Here for Allie! I’m shocked that this is even a debate, but here we are…

@druscillahenry3224

19 күн бұрын

Am shocked too..

It is soooo rare to see long conversations like this and our society needs way more of it!

I get very stressed out by debates but this one was lovely! So peaceful and respectful.

I love Allie! She doesn’t even know how much she’s discipled and mentored me. Queen

@annam753

Ай бұрын

same❤️

@GodisTrueLove0321

Ай бұрын

Same!

@yeseniaherrera5873

Ай бұрын

Same ❤

This idea that “I can only be my true self” through a lifelong dependence on hyper invasive, ultra modern *exogenous* medications or surgeries is absurd on its face

@chloecigarroa9847

Ай бұрын

💯

@jevheyden

Ай бұрын

The sunglasses spiel in the first 1 minute is proof enough and the irony is almost humorous. "Look at what I have to go through in the name of denying truth.

I had 15 minutes of free time, opened KZread and started watching. I ended up spending the rest of my day listening to this podcast. I love Allie and how well spoken she is. Not once did she say um or like. She never skipped a beat on any of her arguments.

I want to say that as someone who can see both sides of the argument here, I am astounded at how respectful and well-spoken each of these individuals are in the current day and age we live in. Bravo!

"not everyone is focused on fertility" well DUH when you're a teen or a preteen most kids aren't gonna be thinking about that. again, frontal lobe isn't developed enough to consider long term consequences

@HaileysHealth

Ай бұрын

That’s what I said too! Most pre-teens and teens say “Ewww. Kids.” It’s almost like trendy to say that. lol But they can grow up to want kids!

@Velaya818

Ай бұрын

Read the W-Path files. You'll see that they know exactly what they're doing.

Ellen, best moderator ever. Send piers this recording so he can see how it's done. Ellen, please try to get candace owens on your podcast. The topic can be about her latest social media post about banning porn.

It's hard to listen to someone who says, "right?", after nearly every sentence.

@kellyfeverxo

Ай бұрын

I think this is a common tactic with some debaters - by saying "right" after sentences, it implies what they said is factually correct (even when it isn't). I can see this working wonders in a school setting with younger audiences. People like to be told what to think, what to do, and how to feel (look at what the pandemic did to the average American). Desmond mentioned he has high anxiety, so him saying "right" might be a replacement to the traditional "like" or "um". I think in Desmond's case, it may be a little bit of both.

@montanagirl3835

Ай бұрын

@@kellyfeverxo I agree. I got the sense it may have been partly filler language out of anxiety.

@kristahodges7025

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@danielogbonna7972

29 күн бұрын

Yes, filler language. People do that often, for example, some often say the following: ‘like’ or ‘Um…’ Which is not wrong, but clearly Desmond’s use of the above phrases was to stall (buy time to recollect their thoughts) and at times affirm/validate controversial opinions.

I never want to hear the word "right" again

@tina505505

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@jncon8013

Ай бұрын

LOL

@lorirad

9 күн бұрын

Right?

Kids should have a right to be kids and not be preyed upon by the pharmaceutical company's that wants to make lifetime customers that have to buy hormones for the rest of their lives.

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

They are preyed upon by worse people.

@Sillygoose2004

Ай бұрын

​@@ninjawizard3865 well most people aren't going to stand back and not say anything. If we don't stand up for kids who will. They are children until age 18 then they can do what they want.

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

@@Sillygoose2004 I agree 100%

@Sillygoose2004

Ай бұрын

So we can agree that a child should have to be an adult to make these decisions then.

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

@@Sillygoose2004 100%.

Can we just give a round of applause for the respect and humbleness from these two? A conversation that was needed and was done so so well 👏👏👏

I love how polite, and open minded this man is. And I pray that the truth Allie Beth shared gives light, and hope into his soul ❤

I’ve never heard a more respectful conversation between to very different beliefs and opinions. Thank you so much to all 3 of you for having the courage to speak on this very important and controversial subject. Our children need to be protected!

What I don't understand is when people claim their 3, 4, 5 year olds are trans.... a child that age doesn't not really know. And it can be normal to be curious about pretending, interested in exploring a range of different things.

@MISNM0

Ай бұрын

How don't they when socialization starts for many at a gender reveal party and certainly for almost everyone, "It's a boy or girl" at birth? I'm SO sick of dumb people being loud.

@victorygarden556

Ай бұрын

Those people are just narcissists. Statistically that’s impossible, especially with multiple kids like that, but it’s not statistically impossible that’s a narcissist making their kid do that “or else”.

It's like watching logic vs nonsense... Even their demeanors are total opposites, the guy seems to be "performing" his identity and I was exhausted for him...

@gostepsenglish4431

Ай бұрын

It's what happens when you base your entire ideology on feelings.

@krystina1823

Ай бұрын

I think it’s called having a personality. Nothing religious based is logical.

@karinelaxa959

Ай бұрын

Gender & trans theory and ideology are pseudo religious and very cult-like.

@nourtohme4998

29 күн бұрын

@@krystina1823 if you truly believe anything he said was "logical"... You're so faaaar beyond logic, deep into the land of ideological brainwashing. Seek true wisdom please! P. S: He doesn't have a personality, he is possessed by a fake one. :)

Your intro is way too long. I about gave up getting to the actual interview

I was waiting for the “I’m not catholic” it came real quick 😂

Allie is so eloquent in her arguments. What a wonderful episode of the new season Ellen, thank you!

Wow, I am shocked I made it through the video. Only because of Allie. Desmond seems nice but he def was all over the place and seemed to affirm all perspectives. To me that says that somewhere he is not being honest and direct. Grateful for this conversation.

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

It was hard to get through.

@ktlovelivelfe

29 күн бұрын

I agree he seems very naive, and highly agreeable rather than stating his truthful honest answers. Just wanting to be liked and putting sensitivity to people's feelings over honesty. I do think he is a very respectful and nice person but not all the way truthful and contradicted himself throughout the debate. I also don't think he is even set on his convictions all the way and still evolving with where he stands on many things.

I disagree with Allie a lot but have been listening to her for a while. She is my favorite conservative Christian podcaster.

My boyfriend’s mom was an abusive crazy lady. She often told him she’d rather have a daughter and similar behaviors. What about the kids in those situations? It’s scary the amount of abuse that can come from normalizing transitioning kids…

Gotta say I have a lot of respect for Desmond in this conversation as opposed to the Jubilee panel debate. Mind you, that debate was comically tailored and couched. I even felt Desmond shared fair points that were worth considering. Im glad Desmond was able to participate in a good conversation and I learned from both sides. While I may disagree with Desmond far more, I actually heard them out and legitimately considered the views behind it. PS, I was a bit annoyed the approval grab of constant "I love what you said" or "you're right!" or similar replies entering sharing Desmonds points. Allie however, went directly into replies without doing the same. Allie is far more confident and that speaks volumes.

@justmy2cents652

Ай бұрын

I'm shocked how many people fall for these techniques "I love what you said" and so on and read him as supernice, respectful, open. He uses classical techniques of narcissists and I'm guessing he is just one of those Cluster B persons (narcissistic/histrionic(!)) - a confused gay boy, totally self-indulged and obsessed with looks and labels. I mean, how many "treatments" did he already get? He needs others to do the same for his validation. A sad and sick person who really shouldn't be listened to when kids are concerned. Even if he's able to put his confusions in a "nice" way.

@KD-rs6xx

Ай бұрын

very perspicacious of you, thanks

@peaceful525

Ай бұрын

He.

@AlyshaAdele

Ай бұрын

This reminds me of research that represents how excessive or “empty” praise elicited from parents contributes to low self-esteem and “imposter syndrome” in children, which follows them into adulthood. This overtly-praising behavior (to the point it comes across as “empty” especially when one claims to disagree) can manifest as a projection of the way one has been parented as a child. While I’m positive it was well-intentioned, it ends up becoming counter-productive. Despite the effort to come across as accepting or open-minded, it ultimately comes across as defensive, as if overcompensating for a lack of confidence, or reveals conflicted feelings in one’s own stance. Not saying any of this out of judgement, but with compassion. I think it is a vulnerability which externalizes an intrinsic willingness to consider others’ viewpoints while continuing to learn, evolve, and shape one’s own perspective.

So glad you’re back with these moderated debates, Ellen. You do a wonderful job at planting the right seeds to your audience with conversations that people are afraid to disagree on! This series opened the door for me to think more critically. Lila Rose changed my mind and I am now radically pro-life because of her debate on your podcast! That was just one of the seeds that led me down the path to surrender my life and my will to Christ. You are doing the Lord’s work, indeed.

Only a third of the way in, but very much enjoying this video. It's so nice to hear such a respectful debate.

So much to learn from these two and their civil discussion! So kind and respectful to one another… they listened to hear then spoke instead of yelling over one another! Kudos! 👏

There's not "that many" but each one of them is becoming a patient for life. That's a LOT of money.

After reading In Order to Live by Yeonmi Park, listening to him talk about how tortured he was just to grow a beard really shows how entitled our country is.

@KD-rs6xx

Ай бұрын

good contrast

@AnnSmajstrla

Ай бұрын

I understand what you mean, but IMO the “people have it worse elsewhere so you can’t complain” argument isn’t great. He was being honest about an experience he had and he wasn’t trying to say that he has it worse than people in North Korea.

@perspe_tive

Ай бұрын

@@AnnSmajstrla Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs shows this (if you need food, which is bottom of the pyramid/ hierarchy, you could care less about self-actualization, the top of the pyramid) We will always find ways to suffer, yet that’s why I find building perspective from realities such as Yeonmi’s is valuable, or we’re just creating unnecessary suffering.

@AnnSmajstrla

Ай бұрын

@@perspe_tive I see what you mean. Also spell check butchered my comment - don’t know what happened there hehe

@SarymaryQuiteContrary

Ай бұрын

With all due respect, I find this to be a terrible comment. We get no where by belittling people's emotional experience of the world and by comparing one another. God has created everyone differently and declared judgment of one another as a sin. Even for non believers, the scientific data very clearly shows that neglect or shaming of negative emotions has an adverse effect to the original intent. I'd love for this to stop once and for all. Greetings from Germany

Puberty is a part of development. When you stall puberty, you are stalling development, and once you've passed the age when puberty naturally occurs, it's not reversible. How is that okay?

@Velaya818

Ай бұрын

Exactly!! It's a complete lie.

Lol, the sunglasses!

Desmond is a nice guy, but he talks non-sense!

@PJCE15

Ай бұрын

i was thinking the same thing. hes very sweet, but he’s completely lost and delusional

@electronio1275

Ай бұрын

Yeah he's really open to discussing and sharing but he really doesn't know what tf he's talking about.

@Problem_bih

21 күн бұрын

Wym lost?

@lorirad

9 күн бұрын

He speaks like he’s trying very hard to sound smart-but yikes-so much nonsense.

@Problem_bih

9 күн бұрын

@@lorirad girl shut up

I am pleased that both speakers were able to have a civil discussion and have a lot of grace for each others perspectives. I will say as someone who watches Allie's podcast almost every day, she came across friendlier here actually sitting down with a queer person than she does on her podcast. On her podcast with LGBT+ topics, there's often stronger language such as words like perverse, freakish, weirdos. Also has a tendency to lump especially trans women as fetishists. I truly think Allie as a Christian earnestly desires the best for others. However, I think sometimes her passion can come across a little aggressive and unwelcoming if you don't already have her same worldview. I also noticed that here she seems a little less concerned about how people fit into male vs. female stereotypes, but on her podcast she definitely has called out boys/men wearing dresses, makeup, etc. My question for her is why the performance of gender stereotypes matters, when it's so cultural and time-dependent. Makeup has been used by men and women throughout civilizations, and male. vs female clothes has also shifted a ton as well. If she wants less people making radical medical transition decisions, why should we bat an eye if we see a guy wearing eye shadow, or a girl refusing to wear dresses and skirts? I really enjoyed this podcast, they were truly lovely towards each other. Well done to both of them for really listening and being kind.

@slimjadeyyy

Ай бұрын

I appreciate this perspective! I think the less pressure we put on children to live up to the societal norm of gender roles the less we will see them vehemently rejecting these roles.

@karianned2718

Ай бұрын

I think the difference is, her podcast is mainly Christian women vs speaking to someone who is a non-believers and lgbtq. We speak differently in different contexts and audiences

@Hey_im_Marcy

Ай бұрын

Well the Thing that's an interesting perspective but trans people exist regardless we have seen trans people throughout history but you are confusing feminine men with trans people feminine men are men they identify as men but are feminine trans people are just themselves the idea that trans women are perverse is just a really dumb thing to say because why would a man literally take years off their life just to get hormones or medical surgery just to be in a woman's bathroom or locker room it doesn't make sense because that would imply men don't do that at all and it's somehow easier to waste years of your life to do something that's illegal when you can do it in seconds without any hassle

@ninjawizard3865

Ай бұрын

When you say makeup has been used by both throughout history, what the rich bored folk did back in the day doesnt count as the masses.

@maddy-books

Ай бұрын

@@ninjawizard3865 Yeah, I’m not just talking about wealthy. Makeup has been used in cultures all over the world by men and women for thousands of years.

Everything about this debate/conversation was awesome to hear them both try and find some common ground in between the disagreements. I really appreciated the understanding and respect for one another during the entire thing too. It made it so much easier to listen to ❤

I support gender affirming care too... Yes, Affirm their actual gender.

I haven't watched this yet. Usually this whole conversation comes down to the truth. We have never lied to people so much, or forced people to lie so much. To me if something is based on a lie it is evil.

@BizzymomStudio

Ай бұрын

Totally agree. It is evil because it makes it “normal” to lie and that is the problem…. Straight from the pit.

Woah! Just saw this uploaded. Super hype. (Welcome back, Ellen!)

Wonderfully well-rounded episode, thank you for hosting such a thoughtful debate! It would be so helpful if the debaters (not just in this episode, but in general) could leave a list in the show notes of their sources that they cite throughout the debate. It feels like everyone has a study to back up what they’re arguing, but not every study is made equal and this could definitely help the audience to do their own research on the topic being discussed.

Take a drink every time he says "Right" at the end of a statement.

@AshleysPZ

Ай бұрын

🥴BLACKOUT DRUNK. 🤣

@paulan7218

Ай бұрын

oh my goodness if you did that you’d die of alcohol poisoning

@mimi2613

29 күн бұрын

Or "great question" and then asks a question