This is the closest I’ve ever came to understanding this concept thanks man! Also shout to FPSticks for sending me this way.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! Also FPSticks is amazing for sure 😊

@oui_acklimate_

Жыл бұрын

Same. Coming to understand how much of a difference timing can make is valuable information, the inconsistency of the mechanic notwithstanding

Amazing content. I felt like I kind of did this already but off of feel rather than knowledge of the situations from playing a good amount. Im glad to have someone explained the full mechanic in depth with examples

I need to watch this video a few times to absorb it, very packed with info. thanks for all the detail!

Thoroughly enjoyed your master class. Real nice video with clear game footage as examples. Please keep up the good work!

I was just telling my discord about this (specifically using as many counters as possible during moves like wild charge)! Thank you for the in depth video!

Learned a lot of new things, looking forward to the rest of the series!

Thank you for making this guide. I’m looking forward to more of your videos. I can learn a lot from you!

This is so good and so difficult at the same time, it took me a while to understand what you meant. There is an easy explanation to this, a mathematical explanation I'd say: set theory. Only because I know of that I was able to understand you. Great video!

this made a lot of sense. I'll be re-watching this video a lot to understand it more. I'm not very seasoned player, but this helps a whole lot thanks Wallower.

Great video with a nice chart and great examples. I am one of those rank 10s that don’t do this properly, the 4 into 3 was a great explanation, I do agree just throwing after 1 quick move is an easy rule of thumb for most players including myself and this would be a great next step in how to sharpen mechanics for the higher ranks

ill have to watch this several times. saving it to my watch laters. Thanks for the info, brother!

Spice picks: there are so many people who do that kind of thing. In my opinion: meta teams with good techniques will bring you further than doing strange things. This is really an example of great content, especially the videos at the end, it really shows how it works. Keep up the good work!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!! And yeah that's what i hoped as well. I do want to do some spice but only if it's really viable. I'm not going to try some random pokemon for the sake of trying it. I'll also only show it if it works!

Fantastic video and really well explained. The chart is very useful thanks!

great information. Going to have to rewatch this a few times, but nice job identifying and doing the research for this methodology

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's definitely hard to pick up and I tried to keep it short but once it finally clicks it is very simple to keep doing! Especially once you learn the counts for the pokemon you usually run

Great video! Thanks for your effort putting lots of info into this!

Great video! I love this sort of video and would watch all of them you make.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, there should be more coming out soon!!

Great video, very instructional. I’m gonna practice to improve my game because of this. Thank you.

I knew this before but wasn't able to realy understand it. You have explained it perfectly. I have tried throwing in 1 fast move before successive charge moves but had mixed results.

Was woundering when you would make a new video. Great information, going to watch your advnaced mechanincs series many times.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, have a couple of ideas for more videos but I'm going to focus on getting these UL teams out first

Wow this is so helpful. Very easy to grasp and try out. Thanks!

Thank you for making this video. I learned a lot from this and finally managed to reach the Legend rank for the first time!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

Hoping this is sinking in, confusing but super helpful! Thanks so much! Super interested in this type of content.

Great video dude! I'm very interested in gameplay mechanics style video like this one. It's amazing to me that almost no one talks about this topic. Its something I've always thought about but only recently decided I'll always go for 2 confusions after a charge move Vs 3 turn moves or 1 counter Vs a 3 turn move as it's way more consistent than trying to piggyback. I find it harder timing my 3 turn moves against 2 turn moves however, but this video will help for sure!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it, hopefully there will be more to come!!

Man I didn’t know this was an actual technique, I know that timing it can lead to extra fast attacks to come through so I’ve always kinda done what you’re saying by habit and it literally saves me so many wins

Nice video, I started trying to throw my charge move mid turn recently hoping it would potentially gain me a slight advantage. Thanks for explaining the mechanics of it, and actually how to properly use it. I don't think it's any different than the CMP switch "bug" that existed previously. Use it till they fix it, but expect to have it used against you

Thanks!! I especially want to thank you for the key concepts: RESET EVENT and OPTIMAL fast moves after the reset. Once you have those you just need (a lot) of practice.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yup it's now just a matter of working it into your game!

Honestly, AWSOME VIDEO.

this is the biggest brain pogo pvp video I've ever seen... and I watch a lot of content. great job!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words! Hopfully people start picking this stuff up

@BenKochendorfer

3 жыл бұрын

I agree you a ton of thought put into this video And you've done a Great Job! I can't imagine the amount of work and stress that goes into what your providing for everybody. Thanks So Much!

Love this. Thank you!

great stuff man. this is really helpful

Right now I'm just having fun in pvp and I don't have that many mons anyway. But, good video and I'll still try to implement this after the resets because that seems easy enough to remember. 👍

Very valuable information here. I'm a new subscriber to your channel. I think to better understand the chart (right before you showed the sample videos) when you were discussing the turns, it's good to say a specific examples like one turn move (dragon breath) or 2 turn moves like counter, because it's easier to understand. More videos like this please! Thanks

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

That is a good suggestion and is definitely something I was planning to do but completely forgot about in the heat of the moment!! I'm glad you enjoyed it otherwise!

You're a beast. Thank you so much!

Love it man. Thanks

Oh I was waiting for this! Thank you so much!

Great video

So glad someone put the math out there. I go off of feel but even then i get it wrong. this helps for all situations now!!!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I used to go off of feel as well but sometimes the animations aren't in sync with reality anymore. Glad I could help!

@ManuelPerez-rf1wm

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower I too have ended on leader boards every season. But I feel like a good amount of losses come down to fast move situation like these. So I guess you’ll battle me soon😉

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManuelPerez-rf1wm haha yup, it's only a matter of time! I look forward to it

awesome video!

Thanks for the video..really appreciated.. remember reading an article on silph reddit showing venusaur vs lapras if I remember correctly few months back..the only problem is the lag and the desync and overtapping issues really make it hard to make it work correctly ☹️

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was the article that first showed me about these mechanics as well. I had planned to make a video like this earlier but as you mention the fast move delay bug completely ruined the counting of this technique

I never comment or like videos tbh. But this one I am forsure I like to see a breakdown finally of game mechanics. Other then just watching people's recorded game clips. I really hope 2 see more and wish more youtubers for other games would do breakdowns also. Thank you

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it! I'm going to get started on working on the next mechanics video this weekend!

@H10Kings

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower sounds good. And I been Implementing this into my game. And i really helps keeps my teams more consistently where when I didnt know of this. And would lose very close fights and wounder what I could of done slightly better. So far has been the best pokemon go tip for pvp next to PvP IVs. Looking forward to the next video 2 see if I'm missing anything else to get that 1 up on my opponent

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@H10Kings glad to hear!! Yeah these things are little things that just need some consistant practice to get better. The next video should drop tonight barring any computer issues

Man, just wanted to say your videos have been super helpful in progressing ranks on GBL for me this season. These videos are really good! Are you going to cover any Ultra League and Master League this season?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I'll try to put some stuff together for UL at the very least and maybe some master premier. I unfortunately don't have many of the pokemon that can be played in master regular

jesus this is insane, I finally understand why some of the match-ups did not happen as simulated on PvPoke (mine is Togekiss vs Mamoswine, Togekiss is supposed to win at a 1-0 shield advantage according to the sim but it almost never happens to me) I've always thought it was because of minimal lag or smth, I can finally stop blaming on my connection haha

@BenKochendorfer

3 жыл бұрын

What is smth?

Super relevant again :D

I always tried to sync up my charge moves to the ending of their slower fast moves to try and maximize my energy gains, and they would very frequently get a full confusion or some shit through on my charge moves. I kept doing this because it seems unfair that lag lets those things through because of some 0.003 window opening, and I refuse to accept it lol. I'll probably be doing this from now on, thank u for guide

Excellent information. Thank you! Any helpful info about over tapping and under tapping?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

There will definitely be a video about undertapping coming eventually. For overtapping hopefully they fix it but if you have a 3 turn or 4 turn fast move and really need to get it off just make sure you see the entire bubble light up before you press it. Don't be afraid to waste a turn being patient if it is that important that you get that charge move off immediately

Would love to see more of this kind of videos! I always thought I needed to throw at the LAST TURN of the opponent's fast moves and have been timing like that. I've been wondering why sometimes it still gives my opponent free fast moves. This vid helped a lot! Would you consider making a video about undercharging? I'm not sure about, for example, how each bubble translates to how much extra damage, or the base damage (hitting no bubbles) would be how much percent of a full one. I've been estimating based off my fast move damages and experience mostly, but definitely can't do perfect undercharging reliably.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Undercharging is definitely high up on my list of videos especially since I think a lot of people (even some prominent high ranked players) use this mechanic even when it is a bit unnecessary. I will warn you though that even knowing the base # and additional damage #, undercharging still seems like more of an art than a science because it's only by experience that you'll know how much damage your move would do at 100% in the first place but knowing the percentages can definitely help you dial it in

@sadiemixer8744

3 жыл бұрын

Wallower Thank you so much for making such an informative video for us! I can tell it takes a lot effort! I think theoretically, if we know the ratio of our charge move damage and fast move damage, potentially we can kind of roughly estimate even facing a brand new opposing Pokémon. I always tried to experiment with it a bit when I’m battling team rockets. But yeah I totally agree with you. Actually I think it’s more of luck than art or science to me lol.

@sadiemixer8744

3 жыл бұрын

Wallower Just thought of a nice example, a no-bubble cross chop does a bit more than one counter, but less than two counters. But with fast moves like snarl that hardly does anything this way of estimating is certainly way less useful.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadiemixer8744 oh I see what you are saying about how to use fast moves to estimate, i honestly had never thought of that before. That's actually super handy.

@sadiemixer8744

3 жыл бұрын

Wallower I’m too dumb to figure about a whole systematic technique like this video haha

I feel like back to school here. Better practice one vid at a time or I give up. Thanks for the help!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yup, take it slow. I had to ride the lime between going too fast for people unfamiliar with it and too slow for people who already know what I'm talking about. I wouldmt be surprised if most people paused at some point

Great stuff! You managed to make a quite complex topic accessible! One closing thought on this. Since you can't always take advantage of the fast move (e.g. when the moves are equal in speed or in the 4/2 scenario) doesn't it make sense to try and piggyback? Since it gives you a 50%ish chance to bug out their fast attack? Cheers

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yes i would agree trying to piggyback in that case is good. The thing is even if you dont try to piggyback sometimes they also don't get an extra move and i have no idea what each of the percentages are of giving the opponent a free fast move are from piggybacking/regular play

Im gonna have too watch this vid a few times lol. But ty this is becoming complicated lol.

sweeet! Thanks!

Nice Content! Unfortanally this technique will only work if You have a smooth gameplay without laggs what is not the case for many people.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they really need to fix lag to make GBL a more legitimate competitive game

You get a like and a sub, great info!

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I appreciate it!

I _think_ I get it. I'm going to be running Gallade/Empoleon for Ultra/Premier, so I'll try and put this into practice. And then come back when I realise I didn't, in fact, 'get it' :)

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, yeah it just takes a little bit of practice to get down and a lot of practice until it becomes second nature. And damn those are the two pokemon that I absolutely want to run but just don't have candies/dust for atm, very jealous!

@sobrique8883

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower What you need is a dog. Then 'walking for candies' becomes a thing you're doing a LOT of .

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@sobrique8883 haha yeah the cat isn't really helping in the "get walking" department

I don't know anything advanced about battles nor have I ever raided a single legendary, but still managed to get to level 40 and win almost 8,000 battles

Thanks mate

Pure Hiden gold right here

sorry if i might have missed or forgotten this being included in the video due to how confused i was but how do we know our pokemons fast move length?

Very nice video on an advanced topics. Mastering this could flip matches! Thanks for that. Im curious if i understand the following correctly though, would be nice of you could help me out: In the 3-turn vs 4-turn example, lets assume i have energy immidiately and start of table. I think i should just spam my charge move as soon as my very first fast move animation start, is this right? Or should i actually be careful with timing and precisely activate on the 3rd turn (marked yellow)? Now is it so, that when i spam click the charge move it gets ignored/won't queue until the 3rd turn (marked yellow)? Or more general: You can only activate your charge moves on your last or one-but last turn of the fast move duration? Also, does having a fully stored charge move or just acquiring the needed energy with your last fast move where you wanna do this trick of denying your opponent a free charge move make any difference at all? Hope you understand my questions and are able to help me :)

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct, once you see your fast move animation begin you can start spamming your charge move in the 3v4. I've only really seen overtapping happen after a charge move recently Having the energy already or getting that energy on the final move doesn't matter as long as you make sure to keep pressing the charge move button until after it lights up

Last 2 seasons have fell short of rank 10 so guess i need this info so it stops happening. Last season 2975 season before 2985

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Damn that's heartbreaking haha, hopefully this will help put you over the edge this season!! But yeah it's very complicated to learn but a very simple thing once you've done it a few times

@valor1183

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower i guess my problem is i dont want too run meta mons anymore. Ill use alomomola instead of azu or whimscott over my shadow vic. I got too rank 8 with froslass shadow mawile lanturn. Started using this team in rank 5

Omg you are awesome

Well done! Do you have any tips for mirror fast move turns? Like azu vs skarmory to not let extra moves go by.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there is nothing you can do and it seems to be random if they will get their fast moves to go by. You can try holding your charge move until they throw theirs and piggyback off of it but I'm not certain that it's any more effective than just playing normally especially considering you're taking the risk now that they might KO you with that charge move

I need to run some tests because I think I found that if you deny their fast move properly you can throw your charge move at the same time they would be tapping to start a quick move but it won't let them do a charge move. So for example if I have shadow claw vs. bubble I'll do 3 shadow claws which syncs up to 2 bubbles, then I'll do 3 more but on my third one I'll tap the charge button as soon as it fills then deny the quick move and if I do it correctly they'll only have been able to get 2 more bubbles off. I need to test it out though just to confirm but I'm pretty sure by syncing up the turns I've been able to deny my opponents from getting in extra quick moves in.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you can for sure do this! I do it sometimes but I prefer to time my charge moves instead for a couple of reasons: 1.more consistent 2. Prevents the opponent from catching your move (if they are a turn behind they cannot switch which is absolutely huge)

@JRskatrPvP

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Ah I gotcha, your method probably is better then haha thx for the tips! :)

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@JRskatrPvP no worries! Both are viable for sure. Sometimes taking the chance on fast move denial is the only way to win a game so definitely something to keep in mind

@JRskatrPvP

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah for sure. I've gotten pretty good at denying the fast moves so I can just match up my moves with theirs in terms of turns and maximize my energy gain while minimizing theirs. It's easier when you don't expect them to switch out (since they're already in a somewhat favorable matchup) but has been very helpful in winning matches. :)

I have always tried to use my moves when their move finishes. So on 2 vs 3 then I did 3 qm while they do 2, because doing a 2turn while they do a 3tuen feels like lost value. But then I always got mad when they still got one move in anyway. I guess this strategy is more consistent and you always only give up 1 turn, which is better then getting charms or confusions sneaking in

@Longblade13

3 жыл бұрын

try to think of it less as: "giving up one turn," and more like: "not giving them three turns."

I must have watched this Video like 10 times already. ITS A GREAT VIDEO!!! Can you add any info to this video if there has been any changes or updates that may effect game play. Fast move denial Deep dive CMP tie senaros just any extra info that you've learned along the way with your closest friends or batters.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

The main thing that has changed since I made this video has been the addition of 5 turn moves but I've made another vid on that as well! Cmp is definitely something I should cover as well

I understand this from an example. Groudon can only beat togekiss if he times his fire punch correctly. 3 turn charms vs 2 turn mudshot. As soon as I throw a fire punch, their charm is complete. You don’t want to throw a fire punch on their first turn. If you do, they get a charm completed in one turn basically giving them 2 free turn. That’s the whole crux of it. Please correct if I am wrong.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you want to throw a fire punch after your 7th mud shot i think and then you want 4 mud shots after that or if togekiss throws a move then 1 mud shot after that

Thanks! I was looking for sometfing like that, since I was battling in Lapras mirrormatch and opposing lapras sneak few ice shards what gave him 1 extra surf... But it was 3 turn vs 3 turn, so this is another case, you didn't mention...

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

In 3 turn vs 3 turn it us completely random unfortunately 😔 nothing you can personally do

@Kecajaloj

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, ok. Thanks for answering.

@Kecajaloj

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Oh, I was wondering about it.. back then my opponent helped his luck, because he was wainting for my charged move, and was throwing his later... somehow it worked for him.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kecajaloj yeah that very well could be the case

18:26 is that part right? If you throw 2 Smack Downs and on the 3rd move you start your charge move (turn 7), the Hypno would still be finishing up the 2nd Confusion since the 3rd one wouldn't start until turn 9.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's wrong for sure, good catch! They get two full confusions for your two smack downs

Nice video thumbnails! I noticed you upgraded your thumbnails. At 3:02, i think you meant "fast move" but you said charge move a couple times. The diagram is pretty confusing for me but the video examples and x, y axis diagrams were helpful.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks! I'm going to go back and retroactively add them as well as I learn to make them better. All part of the plan to slowly increase the production value of this whole operation. Yes i believe you're right, I stumbled over fast and charge move a bunch unfortunately. In fact during the first recording I realized I had titled the episode fast move timing 😅 Yeah the chart is the main resource there for sure, diagrams were kind of just backup in case someone didn't believe where I was getting my info from

@steveliu1854

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Not that this stuff isn't confusing but I also struggle with knowing what's the opponent pokemon's fast move duration. Is there a good/easy way to identify if a fast move is a 1/2/3/4 turn move? Or you just remember after a while?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveliu1854 fast move duration is something you will just learn after a while. There are only so many viable fast moves that are any good so you'll eventually just remember them all from experience. It helps that some moves are exact clones like snarl/bullet seed and thundershock/mud shot and therefore share the same duration. There are also resources online about fast move durations if studying a chart for a little bit is something you want to do

Is this a good summary? Once your fast moves are reset, throw as many extra fast moves as you can such that the turn count from the 2 players fast moves allows you to also throw your charge move before their current fast attack finishes?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's a pretty good summary. But sometimes your moves don't fit snugly into theirs so you may have to line it up with their second or third fast move

Most Important thing 19:27

question: how can you keep track of your opponent fast moves if you are counting yours? are you able to do both countings together? Since I don't think I would able to do it, don't you think it's more worth to count only opponent moves? Thanks

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on what the situation is. If you're planning on shielding their moves anyways then it's better to count yours. In the 2v3 turn for example I know 10 of mine is just before 7 of theirs so I count mine to 10 in the DD vs azu matchup so I know I won't eat a HP

Question: how about 1,2,3,4 turns vs. the 5 turn like incinerate? I would like to add a row and a column to the table that you developed :)

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Here's a video to cover the 5 turn stuff! kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZt3y66oiMS1lco.html

I was getting so tiltwd lately with my opponents always getting a free attack in, thank you Wallman

Quality vid. Still trying to wrap my head around it. Do you do coaching at all?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

It is something that I have just started to look into doing (did my first ever coaching yesterday to test) but don't have anything set up to organize it yet. Hopefully I'll have things figured out in the near future!

@GraceUnderFiero

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Let me know. Just watched 3 of your vids, you do a good job explaining.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@GraceUnderFiero thanks and will do! It will probably mostly end up being through Patreon or something like that

does it reset when u use ur charge move or theirs or both?

Its so hard to count your moves and the oppenent moves, any tips?

Really amazing video...but I don't understand that how we can calculate both our fast move and opponents fast move simultaneously...as counting of opponents fast move is also important to predict their charge move...so can you explain how to do it.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it takes a lot of practice and relating your energy to theirs. So if they get the same energy as your opponent you know how much energy they have. What I do is just count their moves sometimes and mine sometimes depending on what is more important at the time but some players can definitely do both

Did this series get completed like you announced in the beginning i wanna play with 3000 elo players and not just lose to cheeky outplays on matches i should have definitely won im fighting hard to grasp all available information for pvp and it’s definitely showing i can flawlessly defeat my friends and have played at 3000 elo

So to dumb it way down, would it be fair to say that, in a non-identical attack durationmatch-up, following a reset, it is almost universally better to throw an odd number of fast moves (i.e. 1, 3 or 5) before throwing a charge move, as opposed to going for a tie or an even number?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I would say 1 for sure but maybe not odd numbers, a lot of the time 3 is the worst case scenario

Any advice on how to manage counting both how many moves I've thrown after reset, as well as counting how many moves the opponent has so I can tell when their next charge move will be? Seems like counting two sets of numbers can be tough

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

It definitely is tough. I often find myself counting their moves and then waiting for a reset so I only have to count to 1 or 2. I would agree counting to like 7 or 8 or whatever everytime is unrealistic

@samamies88

3 жыл бұрын

I only count opponents moves. When they are near their charge i decide my move: either i have energy for my charge or i don't, i have shield or i don't, i am gonna stay on field, feint this pokemon, catch their charge on someone else or i force cmp tie.. sure it could be advantageous to count your own moves but taking a quick look if u have energy or not is most often enough.

Hi, thanks for the helpful information. what's the reason when in a 3 turn fast move mirror match, for example shiftry v shiftry, my opponent seems to always sneak in an extra snarl when I throw a charge move but when my opponent throws a charge move I don't get the extra charge move? Shouldn't both of us also get an extra fast move since it takes an extra turn to activate a charge move?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

You should but unfortunately it seems to be pretty random

@sethlopez8287

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to let them throw a charge move first when in a mirror match. I also physically look at the animations and throw a move when I know there isn’t enough time for them to throw the next.

@sethlopez8287

3 жыл бұрын

Letting them throw the charge move first allows for you to sneak in an extra if they time their move poolry

18:33 confusion is 4-turn move right? You mention if you do 2 fast attacks then charge, they'll get 3 confusions in. Was this a mistake, or am i misunderstanding it somewhat? Cuz id say you fast move twice = 6 turns then charge, that leaves them with 2 confusions aswell. (Which is worse then 1 on 1 fast moves i guess?)

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Good catch that is a mistake for sure. What I should be saying is that instead of just getting the one free turn by throwing just one, they would get two free turns when you throw two which is just a bonus half a confusion, not an entire other one

Great Video. But its very difficult to estimate the moves if we desync coz of lag or internet issue.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that is very true, this works best in a lag free environment (which we will hopefully have someday haha

Kiengiv brought me here. Thanks for the awesome video. This will for sure win me some games in the future. I've gotta start learning the turn lengths of each move. Does anyone know of any inforgaphics that lists the lengths? Or maybe I should just head to pvppoke. Thanks again, super helpful. I'm off to your next video.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Glad this could help, Kieng is an absolutely awesome human and such a good teacher. I would also definitely recommend continuing to watch his videos to improve at the game As far as move inforgraphics go im sorry I don't know of any. For the most part studying pvpoke or just playing to get some practice is the best way to learn them. I think I just learned all of them through playing, eventually it all clicks

@MajorGunning

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Thanks for the reply :) Practice makes perfect I suppose. all your videos got me super excited for season 6. Happy battling, cheers

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@MajorGunning you as well, season 6 should be a blast!

i have no clue what i just watched

I dont understand anything but how to telll if move is 1 or 4 yurn ?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Mainly just from experience, there are really only 2 4 turn moves you will encounter and those are confusion and volt switch

Can you explain the piggyback deep dive? I think there was a update.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't trust piggybacking it all, it doesn't seem to work for me!

How do I know that e.g. the Confusion is 4 turn move? Is there a chart to that somewhere?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I would Google "pvpoke moves" and it should give you a nice list

@koniknabiegunach7403

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower thank you

You got a link to the slideshow?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry I don't have it posted anywhere 😔

PvPoke defined your 1 turn fast moves as 0 turn, it also said there is a 4 turn Fast moves (it d be a 5 turn in your case, such as Volt Switch) does that mean there is a missing section in your table?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Nope the table is accurate you just have to change perspective on the turns. A move like volt switch is 4 turns in the table and a move like dragon breath is 1 turn. Or maybe I am a bit confused haha.

@yumingshen2971

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower What I meant was that, according to PvPoke pvpoke.com/articles/guide-to-fast-move-registration/ there are apparently Fast Moves with 5 different speeds instead of 4 different speeds (with Confusion being 4 turns and Volt Switch 5 turns) so I was wondering if there shouldn't be an additional line in the table since 5 different speed of Fast moves should be equal to 5 lines. update: I think there may be a mistake in the PvPoke article, I just simulated a battle between Hypno and Galvantula and their Fast moves have the exact same speed so I guess 5 turns do not exist haha

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@yumingshen2971 oh interesting, I thought you were referring the "turns to register" thing sorry about that. I think that article might be out of date because volt switch it now a 4 turn move and there are no 5 turn moves as far as I am aware

Do you count the times you tap or the animation?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Good question! The animation. I tap much more frequently than the animation

@tamoklogs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower the animation of the energy bar filling up or the actual pokemon animation?

When to queue up the charge move in mirror matches

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I would watch the fast move denial video for an answer to that! It's quite different

@itslucifergaming735

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower bro you have 3 videos on fast move Denial i want to see only how to deny fast move in mirror matches which video i should watch

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@itslucifergaming735 I only have one on fast move denial, the other two are on charge move timing

So with the altaria example at around 12 minutes, you're firing after "8 turns" (looks like 7); where in any of your previous examples did you mention 8? I personally know firing on turn 9 is important, so I guess counting 8 moves might be good but it definitely looked like firing on turn 8. Lol, I think you and I track it differently. I do based on which turn to fire, and maybe you do it based on number of moves before firing :P

@FlarkeFiasco

3 жыл бұрын

I slowed it down and counted. Pretty sure it's 7. Either way, if people are just trying to learn by example, they can do as you say and hopefully not notice the difference in what you do 😝 I can visually tell if someone doesn't have optimal timing just based on animations for the most part. I've been doing it for about a year or more lol

@FlarkeFiasco

3 жыл бұрын

Ooo nice, vs the marowak, you actually hit that sky attack 1 whole fire spin early because of perfect timing. Yeah, this is the kinda shit people don't realize you can do if you get consistent with this. I'm glad you did a video about it bro

@FlarkeFiasco

3 жыл бұрын

With the vigoroth example, you couldn't fire optimally because you hit 98 energy and you needed to throw 1 more counter for it to be optimal. Unfortunate, and yeah, it's tough to know when to throw optimally without a reset. Resets are super reliable. Like you said, you kinda just have to "notice" that your animations line up. Should have fired after the counter that got you within 1 counter of bulldoze (so basically, when bulldoze was 1 counter away, that was an ideal time). And then 4 after that was another window. 4 after that would be 98+7 energy, which caps at 100 and loses you 5. I legit have no idea how to evaluate if it's worth it to lose 5 energy to cap to use ideal timing, but something tells me it's not lol

@FlarkeFiasco

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh JK, so you CMP tied the azu. Then that's still optimal timing cuz if you both CMP tie, then you're both not losing or gaining any moves. That was fortunate hehe. I'll sometimes fire on a CMP tie, knowing that they will be spamming their move. And if I have a higher attack stat, I'll go first, then lock them into a spot where they have a harder time farming since they already threw to try to stop me from throwing.

@FlarkeFiasco

3 жыл бұрын

I would suggest adding a secondary timing interval for 4 vs 3, because you're right, taking 8 turns to find optimal timing after a reset is rough, and sometimes you just need to throw sooner. I liked putting in a compromise, which is actually just 1 confusion after the reset. It gives them 1 bonus turn they wouldn't have gotten before, but it also ensures you're getting your charge moves out fast enough. Fighting against or with 3 turn moves is really really key. You're absolutely right. So many meta Pokémon use 3 turn moves, and mastering the timing vs them gives you so many advantages, squeaking out an extra charge move (like at the end vs Skarmory) is just another landslide victory because of timing

Ok, I have a question. I am using ampharos and when I am fighting dragonite I am forcing CMP, but during this CMP dragonite usually can sneak 3 dragon breaths. How is this working?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

So what is happening here is that he throws 3 dragon breaths and activates a charge move on the 4th turn. You throw a volt switch (4 turns) and activate your charge move on the 5th turn. Technically it is not a cmp tie but a false cmp tie, i talk about this briefly at the beginning of the part 1-1 video. If they are using 3 dragon breaths and then their charge move then they are playing the matchup very well for sure

@Kecajaloj

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower so if I understand correctly, if this is false CMP someone can sneak 3 fast moves while your pokemon is just standing there doing nothing? (In this situation) and even if opponent will use 3 turn move, he can sneak 1 move...

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kecajaloj the three fast moves should come only during your 4 turn animation. So while your volt switch is out they will be able to get three dragon breaths and activate their charge move before your volt switch finishes

@Kecajaloj

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower ok, to it looks like something different. In my case I am doing charged attack, my ampharos is standing and doing nothing. Opponent is sneaking his 3 fast moves and then uses his charged attack. 🤷 I could try to record this if you would like...

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kecajaloj hmm that is very weird indeed if you don't have a volt switch active. It might be safe to assume that is lag then unfortunately 😕

Could you suggest an ultra league team or a ultra premier team for me please?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately UL has been my worst league to date. I'm going to try and make some stuff work but I currently can't in good conscience recommend a good team. Hopefully I figure out something in the coming days here

@Kecajaloj

3 жыл бұрын

Check pvpoke Twitter. He posted about 6 strong teams. This is good start.

Can we have a 5 turn example video?

@Wallower

2 жыл бұрын

There actually is a 5 turn update as a seperate video! It's actually quite important to know how to play vs tflame

@salviileo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Thank you! Can you drop the link for me pls? ABDULpls

Make a chart saying what fast moves are 1,2,3, turn

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

I would Google "pvpoke moves" and click on the first link with fast moves. It's a great resource that lists every stat for each fast move

I'm frustrated when my opponent use the fast move denial, while i can't do it, i already do it, like how you explain, but still, my opponent still got the extra moves 😭

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes I've seen people do it correctly and it doesn't work so I wonder if there is also some hardware component

I don’t understand the ‘turn of fast moves’ thing. What’s a 1 turn fast move? One tap?

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

It is the length of the fast move. Each fast move lasts a certain amount of time. A 1 turn move like dragon breath lasts only for 1 turn (0.5 sec) whereas a 4 turn move like confusion lasts for 4 turns (2 seconds)

@iamEllah

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower oh dang🤯 thanks for answering. That’s pretty complicated haha

This is great, but have you any tips on how to avoid the opponent sneaking through fast moves as you throw a charge move when your fast moves both take the same amount of time (eg Skarmory vs Azu)? I know this is almost certainly an issue caused by lag but I was wondering if you can do anything to neglect it.

@Wallower

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I'm not sure there is a solution. You can try piggybacking but im not sure the %success of piggybacking is higher than playing normally. I dont have access to the data to confirm or deny 😕

@trollz4568

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wallower Np thanks anyway

@Longblade13

3 жыл бұрын

if your fast moves take the same amount of turns, your opps mon will always get a fast move off when you throw your charge move, and vice versa. In the case of an "unnatural" cmp tie, where you both have charge moves ready to throw but they go first, try to wait and use one more fast move before throwing yours. If you click your charge move immediately, they will fit another fast move in occasionally, which will leave you one move behind.