Thanks for making the list of the most expensive off-roaders.

@jonzaremba

2 жыл бұрын

If you're paying this much for a truck then $20 more at the pump is not an issue.

@iUsefull

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonzaremba 💯 😂

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonzaremba Yes and no. $20 more at the pump today could very well be $100 more at the pump tomorrow. With Democrats in office and their utopian dreams of renewable energy and EV's we all know where gas prices and especially taxes on gas are going. And this technology isn't there yet on realistic range for trucks. Best to plan for the future.

@danthompson1467

2 жыл бұрын

Insane cost and down the road you will not be able to afford the repairs or replacement batteries

@jonzaremba

2 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 I don't participate in politics, i don't like the environment, and seasonal increase in gas prices is inconsequential to me.

For the price these trucks go for I can buy a ton of gas and keep driving my existing vehicle

@danthompson1467

2 жыл бұрын

Amen 👍

@giobikefans

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I have to keep telling myself when I see that fuel bill on my extended range tank lol

You said "go off road deep into the country". That eliminates the Rivian as a contender.

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

Not if they follow through with plan of installing their charging stations at locations where owners would choose to go off road.

@desaiharsh1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktpinnacle lol they have way bigger fish to fry than to build off road charging stations

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktpinnacle 🤣🤣 Seriously they aren't installing charging stations in offroad areas. Where I overland you can literally go 200 miles or more into the wilderness and be at least 50 miles away for another human being. Alot of these areas are also designated wilderness areas which means by law they can't have any development on them other than trail whatsoever.

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

@@desaiharsh1995 True, but that's their plan. They want their vehicles to be used to get into the wilderness. I don't know that 350-400 miles comfortably gets you that, but . . . .

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 I don't know their location details, but that's what separates them from an outfit like Tesla and their own charging system.

Not one of these vehicles mentioned are cost effective too the general public, in Canada every one is over 60K and people are loosing jobs, loosing houses and going broke in this expensive economy. Nice too dream and look at but I guess but I feel you guys should have been looking at vehicles that are actually obtainable for most but that’s just my opinion

@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about views for tfl

@bubblesrcshed

2 жыл бұрын

@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS I love the channel I just wish they would also show vehicles that most regular people try to buy

@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS

2 жыл бұрын

@@bubblesrcshed 👍

@migueljardim8177

2 жыл бұрын

The video is titled "The most fuel efficient off-roaders" not "The most efficient affordable off-roaders". With all due respect, this is about efficency not price. So yes the more expensive off-roaders are the most efficient.

@bubblesrcshed

2 жыл бұрын

@@migueljardim8177 simply put why dose a fuel efficient off reader have to be super expensive ? Is their not a cheap on fuel AWD etc ?

I think once you spend 100k on a EV, gas or diesel vehicle something tells me gas prices are not your main concern. What are the best average price to Mpg available for new vehicle buyers. Some of us at 50k have hit our top end.

Definitely all vehicles that will not consume as much gas but will consume more from the bank account with the price tag of all theses vehicles the rivian alone is $70k+ and the hummer is $100k+.

It is amazing how short our memory can be. A little more than a decade ago when gas topped $4.00 a gallon many people traded in their guzzlers for something more efficient. I remember rental car companies offering upgrades to your rental for free to a big suv, but most people requested something more economical. Once prices dropped below $3.00 a gallon the demand for thirsty vehicles again rose. I wish diesel was still a viable option until electrification becomes a truly possible reality for all. It seems that we have regulated it out of existence a bit too soon.

@monopolyshark

2 жыл бұрын

You’re right, adjusted for inflation gas prices are not really all that high.

@mistermister2085

2 жыл бұрын

@@monopolyshark I think in 2008 the highest gas prices got here was 4.19...that is $5.50 today. So yeah...still not close at 4.09 currently.

Yea, so I just filled up my semi in Indiana. Diesel as of 3/9/22 at 4am is $5.39 a gallon, a dollar more than gasoline. You should rethink your diesel suggestions. Also how is electricity made? Coal and oil. Wind is negligible. So guess what’s going to cost slot more soon to?

i saw a photo of gas being at $9 per gallon today in Sacramento

@lutomson3496

2 жыл бұрын

not that I have seen here places it might be 4.60 at costco at sacramento today though

As always guys great info on your vehicles through these trying gas times. I have a 2019 Ford Raptor fully loaded and I've been getting 18.9-19.3 miles per gallon even though it has been rated way lower than that I've definitely been driving it like a baby. So it is possible to get better gas mileage in they higher performing trucks.

Glad my 3.0 baby Duramax made it in. Though it is a 2021 so no Trail Boss, but I still have all the same, without the two inch blocks and Rancho shocks.

Epic ‘efficiency’ list! Awesommmme!😁😈

With all the people I see driving around these days with rooftop tents always on their vehicles, it seems like they couldn't care less about fuel economy.

Avg national gas price as of 3/08/22 = $4.17. $100000 vehicle = 23,980 gallons of gas. 4wd Truck getting 12mpg = 287,760 miles. I'll take driving 287k miles over getting better mpg lol.

@giobikefans

2 жыл бұрын

To start I agree that I agree with your sentiment that the savings is not there, but I think there are a few other things to consider. This works if you are keeping your current vehicle and expect it to get 287k miles. It will always be cheaper to keep your vehicle than buying a new one until about 200,000 miles when the cost of an engine rebuild or crate motor and all the other parts wearing out becomes too expensive and it is sent to the junkyard. So let’s say you buy a new vehicle and expect to get 200,000 miles out of it. And say you get a cheaper pickup at $40,000 which is a steal in todays inflated market. Trucks now get at least 20 mpg. So at $4 a gallon how much do you spend in 200,000 miles at 20mpg? $40,000. So at about $6 a gallon it probably reaches parity. But that’s just parity, not counting the cost of electricity, the cost of your time at a charging station, you don’t actually save anything and you have the inconveniences of driving electric. But here’s the biggest difference. I can always drive less and lower the cost of the ICE vehicle. It’s like a pay as you go phone plan. I guess if you have to put on a lot of miles every year for work the math and convenience probably makes sense at $8 a gallon, assuming electric vehicle prices stay the same (which they won’t). But at $8 a gallon people aren’t going to buy an EV, they’re going to start going bankrupt.

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

@@giobikefans very well put! I got extremely lucky and paid $40k for my used 2014 F-150 SVT 6.2L with 50k miles, and that included the $13k in suspension added. I really only ever drive to go off-road where I'll usually average 12mpg in dirt/sand. The 6.2L can get up to 400k miles and still only needed the top end rebuilt, and that was on a work vehicle. If I ever log that many miles off-road I will have died and gone to heaven.

@giobikefans

2 жыл бұрын

@@acuchessi 400k miles off road would be worth the cost of gas! I’ve been doing the math too every time I go to the pump and the only way it would make sense would be to sell my truck and buy a Chevy Bolt and I’m not ready to make that dramatic a change in my recreational time.

The fuel cost per mile involves much more than MPG. If the vehicle requires PREMIUM or Diesel fuel, getting a slightly higher mpg CAN (in most cases) cost the consumer more cash. Am I wrong????

@lutomson3496

2 жыл бұрын

ironic they have a stupid electric vehicle, which is a result of all the green energy propaganda of how humans are in charge of the weather and subsequently the anti fossil fuel agenda when I dont even have reliable energy where I live....throw in the ethanol garbage..we never had a shortage of fossil fuels till the Al Gore crowd came into play

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

@@lutomson3496 go look up definition of weather vs climate. Then look up global average atmospheric carbon dioxide. Then look up how that affects said climate.

@lutomson3496

2 жыл бұрын

@@acuchessi look up oceans currents and their affects on weather, they are the primary and humans are not in control..plants and trees love c02..that is another propaganda part for the carbon market trading

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

@@lutomson3496 you keep saying weather lol. Not sure there’s much to say to someone who doesn’t know the difference between weather and climate

Unfortunately this list of vehicles are extremely expensive and the purchase price far outweighs any savings. Especially if you buy something like a Tacoma TRD Off Road, averages around 18-20 mpg and starts around 39500

Ford F150 4x4 with the 2.7 belongs on this list.

Something to be considered, where I live in N.B. 🇨🇦 gas is only $7 a gallon compared to $8 a gallon for diesel😖. Plus both have gone up a $1 a gallon in just the last few days with no end in sight.

A budget version seems to be getting requested a lot here. Maybe that'd be a "best efficient used offroaders" video? But to address all the upset people, a more advanced, efficient drivetrain is more expensive to develop, esp with new tech to pay off the R&D for, so ofc these won't be the cheapest.

@ATH_Berkshire

2 жыл бұрын

Then you have to set a price point. If you say $45k then it’s a nearly new one of these. If you say $2,500 then it’s a small engine beat up junker. Somewhere in between you’ll have people saying both, “these are to expensive for regular Americans” and “These will be reliability nightmares, please don’t show junk”.

@tarfeef101

2 жыл бұрын

@@ATH_Berkshire good thing they're professionals with a ton of experience/knowledge who should be able to determine such a price point

I get your thinking Andre and Nathan, but explain to me the difference between being most fuel efficient, but not necessarily most cost efficient when diesel costs in most places 60 cents to a dollar + more than gas, and you haven't bought DEF yet? Now the electric and hybrid in winter months are not practical either. Albeit the hybrid fairs better. So give us a cost per mile please?

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

That also doesn't consider the higher cost of maintenance on modern diesels due to the BS emissions systems they have to run that can have a host of problems themselves.

So when is TFL selling that TRX? Are you going to wait to see if gas prices come down in a few months before trying to sell it, or have resale prices held solid despite the fuel cost spikes?

Re comments about the cost of diesel vs reg unleaded: true, diesel tends to be more expensive. Also true, our tdv6 LR RR gets 30mpg in high altitude CO road trips (even higher when we’re not driving through the Rockies). Comparatively, our ‘21 v8 TLC gets 13mpg. Both are solid, very fun & highly capable vehicles (pro’s & con’s to each); however, from the perspective of fuel economy, not much of a comp. even when taking into acct higher price of diesel.

Will a lot of people drop their Bronco orders?

I want a huge V8 TRX that has a switch to go all electric on demand.

I have a Hybird/Gas Hyundai. Just picked up a two door TJ. Short WB, more off road capability than any of these, gets 18-20 mpg, and I can drench it in water. 10.5k. Cheaper than a SxS

Thanks for this list.

Do you think Jeep will have a 4xe Gladiator?

Yep

Where I live diesel is at $5.52 how is this Jeep Truck efficient

6:46 nice

these are all just expensive models. they may be more efficient. but that doesn't outweigh the extra cost of the vehicle and the cost of the type of fuel needed.

Where is the Ford Lightning ⚡️ ?

My gasoline Gladiator is getting 14 MPG so far after 1200 miles. It better improve soon or I’ll be looking for a turbo Wrangler.

Rivian is size of Tacoma you can't compare Raptor as full size truck with Rivian. you should do different test with Rivian, change the truck drive to trail like 150 miles away, spend 2 - 4 hours driving, spent night camping and drive back.

I would love to see a 15k used suv/truck that can do 250-400k miles special on this exact same thing. who's with me?

and you never tell us how much solar it take to charge it up in 1 day how big of inverter do you need????

*EV overlanders gear checklist* 1. Seeds ✔ 2. --maxtrax-- 3. Farming gear ✔ 4. --wench-- 5. Chickens ✔ 6. --spare tire-- 7. Milk cow ✔ 8. --tow strap-- 9. Log cabin construction tools ✔ Hey when you got enough range to go but not enough to get back best to be prepared

Yea pay 70k for a truck to save a few bucks. Great plan

69 mpge on road will be way less than 100 miles off road. Probably about 75 miles off road for the Rivian. Good luck

Yay spend huge $$$$$ on these and save $ at the pump. I’d recommend you buy an old used cheaper V6 or similar off-roader, save the $50k+ up front and you can beat on it without having a heart attack. The pump shock will be much less impactful…

what about the tacoma? its a pretty efficient off roader. and it can go more places than the trail boss since its smaller.

@gabrielback5615

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't say all the PRETTY efficient, they said the top 7 most efficient.

Obviously these guys don't mind paying at the pump

The PHEV's on this list are no good for overlanding. They are too heavy, and have terrible payloads! Also the mileages are based on plugging in every night. If you're living off the grid you will get 16 mpg not 42. I believe they require high test gas too. A serious consideration should be an F-150 with the "flex fuel" 5.0L ♡8. Today E-85 is $2.99 in California. That means a tank of E-85 fuel (109 octane) in my truck is $68.77 there, while a tank of low test 87 gas here at home in Canada is currently $169.65. So it is literally cheaper to go overlanding in California then it is to stay home! It is roughly the same price per mile to drive my 5.0L in California as it is to drive a Yaris here in Canada! 🇨🇦

Or a 80's early 90's toyota 4runner or truck with the 4 banger. Slow but fuel efficient :)

Before I even watch this. I bet my grand Cherokee trail hawk with the HEMI did not make this list LOL 😂

If you really want to be fuel-efficient, don't go off-road. Otherwise, don't complain about fuel prices/consumption. Those two words don't go hand-in-hand.

Has Andre denounced the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Just curious. Don’t flame me! I don’t believe he has to….but it would be informative if he did as he is a KZread well-known personality. I’ve seen other Russian-born influencers denounce Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I know this isn’t a political channel but current events surpasses politics. I think it’s fair to ask Andre, a main actor/figure on this and other affiliated channels to express his views. We as the audience can then make an informed decision whether or not to “consume” the products TFL puts out.

so you run a genset at home to charge you Rivian how much gas did it take to charge it you never tell us that part i am old and do not know one person that has city power i have had 6 houses in my life only 1 has had city power as most homes donot .but you never tell us how much gas it takes to charge the ev up how long do you run your genset at nite and how big of a genset do you need if you have a ev do you need!? you allways skip that part!!!!!

Buy a Geo Tracker.

@A-Negative

2 жыл бұрын

Totally did. 1995 hardtop 4x4.

@jonzaremba

2 жыл бұрын

@@A-Negative one of my all time favorite vehicles!

F. J. B.

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

L. G. B.

I have to say I hate that list and would never off road most of those cars lol I'll stick to my crappy 20 mpg of my 4runner or more like 10 or 15 mpg going up a mountain. Great video guys just not sure I agree is all. Have a great day!

@migueljardim8177

2 жыл бұрын

They are the most efficient though, there is no arguing with that.

@bobbyaskew8742

2 жыл бұрын

Be happy, my 2005 f150 gets like 11-12 mpg just in general

@harrisonschapelhouman3476

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyaskew8742 oh I'm not unhappy at all i love it it runs and sounds like a new car and it's 15 years old.

@harrisonschapelhouman3476

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyaskew8742 and dang that's terrible tho are the newer ford's better on gas milage?

Who agrees electric charge stations should be at grocery stores and not gas stations.. (?)

@sergeantschlumpf6368

2 жыл бұрын

Not to buy obviously 🙄 .. but that’s about how long take to charge a bit. .

You realize you just listed vehicles that start at over 50k-60k without options? Your list contains morgage payments not car payments. The last thing I think anyone wants to do, unless youre a hedge fund manager, is hit a tree with a 100k vehicle. On top of the rich boys toys you just listed, you dont mention about 3-5k in an e-setup at your house, 10-20k of off road extras that you need (I dont think youre going over rocks with your 22 inch V rated tired yuppy rover), etc. 80% of your veiwers live in the real world, not on a golden throne.

Spend $50k+ to save $2k in gas….

BRONCO SPORT , I'M GETTING 35 TO 37 HIGHWAY AND 26 OFF ROAD ..!!!

@vettle1

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously? That's awesome!

@kathygates8845

2 жыл бұрын

@@vettle1 MY SON KNOWS A MAN THAT HIS BRONCO SPORT RUNS 39, TO 40 MPG..!!! HE HAS SENT ME PICS OF THE MILEAGE ...!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE..!!!!

@Johny9405

Жыл бұрын

@@kathygates8845 maybe going down hill a lot?

@kathygates8845

Жыл бұрын

@@Johny9405 I WOULD NOT LIE... !!!! SEE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT FEAR GOD ... !!!!!! JESUS IS MY SAVIOR.. !!!! IF I HAD YOU CELL # I WOULD TEXT YOU PICTURES OF MY MILEAGE .... !!!!! THIS IS DOUBLE G. HERE ... GARY ..!!! GOD BLESS YOU AND FAMILY ....!!!!!!!

@Johny9405

Жыл бұрын

@@kathygates8845 Never said you lied. Just asking a question.

Range Rover, Hummer EV on this list? The MSRP doesn’t quite equal the savings at the pump…Here’s 2 for the list: jeep (non-grand) Cherokee trailhawk, Bronco sport…disappointing video from you guys.

Interesting how you always see the same comments that diesel is more at the pump, but no one seems to care that that diesel goes 10 mile further then there gas counterpart on a gallon. My Rebel diesel gets 22-24 city and 26-28 hwy.

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

The higher initial cost of a diesel engine plus the additional maintenance cost of operating a diesel. You have to drive somewhere around 30k miles or something per year to offset the cost vs mpg savings

@vettle1

2 жыл бұрын

Plus DEF and particulate filters....

@fredv7487

2 жыл бұрын

I have found my diesel is very close to a gasser to operate. I can go 14 to 15 thousand miles on oil change, were my 5.7 only went 6 to 7 thousand. You will pay 3k for an ipad for your radio and controls but say oh it's to much to spend that on a diesel. Then you will spend 25 hundred for electric assist on the engine. But 4k for a diesel. Oh and def gee 12 bucks every 15 to 18 thousand. So keep thinking your saving so much money. I'll take the 10 miles more a gallon.

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredv7487 How much did your rebel eco diesel cost and how much did your 5.7 cost. And no one else said anything about 3k radios or 2500 electric assists. The point I was originally making was that a diesel engine costs more than a gas engine and a diesel mechanic charges more than a gas mechanic, generally speaking.

@fredv7487

2 жыл бұрын

@@acuchessi Msrp for our 21 rebel was 68K. We walked out the door including tax and tag for 60k. Only things missing was the large screen and a trailer brake controller. Seems to me most of the mechanics are charging $100 bucks an hour. My point is that most people will will spend what ever for some option with bluetooth. But just say the add price of the diesel is to much. In all honesty the diesel has cost the same to operate as our 19 Rebel if not less. And with a 33 gallon tank we have a range of over 700 miles with 33's and a 3.92 rear axle 4x4.

If you want efficient. You don't get an offroader that weights over 5k running on gasoline. You get a Diesel

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah 25% more fuel efficiency and 25% higher prices on diesel vs gas.

@acuchessi

2 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 plus diesel maintenance vs gas. gotta be driving something like 30k or something miles a year to offset cost vs fuel savings

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

@@acuchessi Very true. Literally every manufacturer has had a class action lawsuit against them for the reliability problems with modern diesel emissions systems.

Thanks Joe for the insane gas prices. We are still importing 400000 from Russia daily. When we can make gas for our entire country.

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

Not as of today. You going to apologize to Joe?

@gsxr1189

2 жыл бұрын

Banned today. Now stocks are dropping oil prices are rising and Covid who?

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 The markets have been dropping for months, as have covid infections fortunately. And oil prices and oil company profits have been rising along with more people working and spending. Aint capitalism grand?

@vettle1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktpinnacle when he opens the USA oil and gas back up, maybe.

❗ Ｐ𝐫Ｏ𝕞Ｏ𝓢ｍ

All that you're showing us is NEW vehicles....no doubt the whole lot are $50K plus!!! Right now, a low mileage Bronco Two would work just fine, one that isn't jacked up to the sky, nor some ones V8 conglomeration.

No Samurai? Disappointing.

That’s not the place for EVs. I hope people carry a generator, extra gas, a tent, and a sleeping bag. Cause they’re screwed if they run out of juice. It’s just going to be a long time before this happens. We simply don’t have the electrical grid or infrastructure to support these vehicles. Just look at all the rolling blackouts they already have in California.

@ktpinnacle

2 жыл бұрын

While I agree that the national grid will have to change accordingly, CA rolling blackouts were for two days and impacted a small portion of the population during a historical heat storm that impacted the whole west coast. But it sure exposed the intermittent nature of renewables and lack of storage during such unusual events.

If you are truly that worried about MPG, you should not be looking at a real off-roader.

@Johny9405

Жыл бұрын

You shouldn't make an off roader your main car, period

Push that green agenda.

@accentedwanderer8623

2 жыл бұрын

Triggered much?

@flight2k5

2 жыл бұрын

@@accentedwanderer8623 well yea. It’s going to destroy our country 🤣😂. You may have drank that kool aid and asked for seconds, but it’s not good for us

@aussie2uGA

2 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind many EV buyers buy for the insane torque and performance, not that its trying to "save the world".

@flight2k5

2 жыл бұрын

@@aussie2uGA yea but his comment showed he actually believes he’s saving the world

@danthompson1467

2 жыл бұрын

Get a dam good old 1978 k 10 and let it rip That’s true American 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸