Garden Room Ground screws. How we test for bearing capacity, Garden room construction video

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In this video I am with my mate Gil as we test the ground bearing capacity for a new garden room that I am working on, we do this to establish how many screws we need, what length screws we need and then the total number required to support our new structure.
By testing how much force it takes to remove the screw hydraulically we can do a mathematical calculation to establish the potential load, once we have established this we use a safety factor of 50% so if we feel that the loading is 2500kg we would safely assume that a load of 1250kg will be no problem.
Then we will work out the weight of the new structure allowing for live loads such as the effects of wind and the movement of people and placing of furniture etc, this will establish the minimum number of ground screws that we will need. Regardless of the minimum number we add screws where there may be a point load or additional loading so invariably we have a few more that we need.
Ground screws are a swift and economical way of forming a suitable foundation that is eco friendly and compared to a 1m deep mass filled concrete footing and brickwork and blockwork to dpc

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  • @T.E.P.
    @T.E.P.3 жыл бұрын

    here's the daily compliment on how wonderful and informative the vids are! and super great for all the viewers that never seen this method.

  • @thetallcarpenter
    @thetallcarpenter3 жыл бұрын

    Great video Robin, and wonderful sentiment about wishing you could respond to all of your commenters. Looking forward to seeing this project progres😎

  • @shaunglendinning
    @shaunglendinning3 жыл бұрын

    Great video Robin! Found it very interesting indeed. Cheers.

  • @TYLERCONSTRUCTION
    @TYLERCONSTRUCTION3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video mate 👍

  • @joseespinoza5794
    @joseespinoza57942 жыл бұрын

    Love how the car issue holding up the work was left in. Everything and anything happens on a site regardless of all your planning! Handled with class too

  • @enigmaticx326
    @enigmaticx3263 жыл бұрын

    Always love a good “pull test”

  • @jamesfarrer5087
    @jamesfarrer50873 жыл бұрын

    Definitely need a detailed video this time on the ring beam attaching to the ground screws and the plastic ply :)

  • @hondafromhart5198
    @hondafromhart51983 жыл бұрын

    Love this channel keep it up

  • @barticus0
    @barticus03 жыл бұрын

    So interesting love the content

  • @TonyGrant.
    @TonyGrant.3 жыл бұрын

    I hope we see you build this one from start to finish too!

  • @jlewis1688
    @jlewis16883 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting thanks Boss

  • @davetaylor4741
    @davetaylor47413 жыл бұрын

    More garden rooms. In my day we were lucky to have a shed and before that an Anderson shelter. Those little screw piles are brilliant for these type of buildings of limited weight. We get an even smaller version that you can use for ground level decks but haven't seen the sort you keep using. Got to be better than keep digging holes and concrete.

  • @skiiddy
    @skiiddy3 жыл бұрын

    12 under our 3m x 4.3m studio, about £950 from memory. Took about 3 hours but, when we came to start the build (SIP) it was running out by 13mm. Had to get them back, quickly resolved. Not much forgiveness with a SIP build but massive difference in U value compared to stick built.

  • @robertbamford8266
    @robertbamford82663 жыл бұрын

    Interesting measurement techniques. Does (lateral) wind load play into your calculation? Thanks for the video.

  • @jasonantigua6825
    @jasonantigua68253 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been doing ‘pull tests’ for years!

  • @thetallcarpenter

    @thetallcarpenter

    3 жыл бұрын

    Always get the same result Jason?.😵

  • @billrimmer5596
    @billrimmer55963 жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait for the vid with u splashing in the pool

  • @britman555
    @britman5553 жыл бұрын

    Robin can you do a detailed in depth garden room build series?

  • @joebailey5141
    @joebailey51413 жыл бұрын

    Robin, I’ve been thinking about using these and I’ve seen they sell a hand screw attachment for manual screwing? Do you know if this is actually viable for an average garden or is it just for a garden with 6ft of topsoil

  • @kevinhornbuckle
    @kevinhornbuckle3 жыл бұрын

    If you need more bearing surface area after the screw is driven, you could remove some soil around the surface level of the screw, add rock and compact it, and then pour a circle or square that would bond to the exposed screw threads.

  • @NSResponder

    @NSResponder

    Жыл бұрын

    If you're willing to pour concrete pads around the screws, the screws are redundant. The whole point of them is fast installation and low impact if you decide to remove them in the future.

  • @gbwildlifeuk8269
    @gbwildlifeuk82693 жыл бұрын

    "Everyones working from home". Theyre also drinking from home, most of these end up as pubs. 🤣🤣

  • @jasonantigua6825

    @jasonantigua6825

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lot of people turning to drugs too! Very sad times

  • @uararunuh9010
    @uararunuh90103 жыл бұрын

    Hi Robin, tell to your colleague that better to twist off an extension cord during the and use protection garniture)

  • @amazing451
    @amazing4513 жыл бұрын

    Will you be the construction of this garden rooms in follow up videos to come Robin?

  • @dougsaunders8109
    @dougsaunders81093 жыл бұрын

    How much torque does the driver put out? I would’ve holding my breath every pile hoping not to hit a big rock 🪨

  • @kotoucek89
    @kotoucek89 Жыл бұрын

    Nice job! What gearbox ratio do you guys use in this case?

  • @imrix4821
    @imrix48213 жыл бұрын

    How about to do a push test? Now we all know the wind wont pull it how about the weight of the garden house( large one i mean)?? After some time (winter or lot of rain) will it push it deeper or will it stay the same ??

  • @Elfin4
    @Elfin43 жыл бұрын

    Does that need planning permission or building regulation approval?

  • @ratscabies3953
    @ratscabies39532 жыл бұрын

    How does pulling the screw out under tension test how much weight the screw can support under compression? Two entirely different forces acting in different directions !

  • @deangarland3010
    @deangarland30102 ай бұрын

    Can these ground screws be used on a house extension? One built using SIP panels like The Hup system.

  • @4fingerfrankie
    @4fingerfrankie3 жыл бұрын

    Don’t forget wind loading on a structure!

  • @JACKATTACKED
    @JACKATTACKED3 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @MT_T991
    @MT_T9913 жыл бұрын

    So the pull test, assume it sustained 1000kg would you assume that as your total max load so reduce that my by a safety factor?

  • @ianbaker3281
    @ianbaker32813 жыл бұрын

    How does a pull test tell you the downward force per screw.? I like the system, very good for poor access and uneven ground.?

  • @smitmachinale8281

    @smitmachinale8281

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, a pull test is not the same as a push test. A push test would be difficult off course, but it may be that the screws can handle more down force than the pull test reveals.

  • @Finxh
    @Finxh3 жыл бұрын

    That couldn’t have been 2 n half tons pulling on that screw? Or was it 250kg? Great video anyway 👍🏼

  • @jackrogers375
    @jackrogers3753 жыл бұрын

    Hi robin very interesting, but why not a traditional re-in-forced slab foundation, raft or even strip foundation? Surly after you have paid for these guys to come in with their rig and pull test it works out more cost effective?

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Jack there is no comparison to the price, I will do an alternative costing for one of the episodes of this build and compare, one thing here also is that the position of the room is about 200m from the road and it is land locked so other than a tiny excavator it would be a hand dig!!

  • @thomasfoyle2124
    @thomasfoyle21243 жыл бұрын

    Dont forget the live load like snow

  • @ChickenDinnerz
    @ChickenDinnerz3 жыл бұрын

    That garden's the size of a football pitch!

  • @barnabybot
    @barnabybot Жыл бұрын

    Lot if faith to put in a "should be" okay when you're putting in the ground spikes.

  • @loboernesto86
    @loboernesto863 жыл бұрын

    After watching one of your earlier videos featuring ground screws I got Gil to come over and install screws (great work! all done in a morning) for a garden self build I started last month. 6x4m pitched roof timber building.. will be following these series closely as I build mine! Keep up the great work! Edit: If you are doing a warm roof on this build and can share any details that would be great! about to embark on that phase of the build now...

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    We are doing a warm roof but not for a few weeks mate!!

  • @loboernesto86

    @loboernesto86

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstructionthat's great, you might still catch up with me. I've got a fair bit of prep work to do still and I am doing it alone so snail pace... Cedar roof shingles arrive today! But have all the roof build up to do still, only rafters up atm.

  • @11x11z11x11
    @11x11z11x113 жыл бұрын

    So your using this to calculate the weight each screw can take before sinking ? in this video circa 2.5 tonnes each ?

  • @vidpromjm

    @vidpromjm

    2 жыл бұрын

    Its called a pull test because it measures the amount of force needed to pull the screws out of the ground, ie the uplift from wind specifically during a major storm

  • @lightx500
    @lightx5003 жыл бұрын

    Just wondering what exactly a pull test proves ... the building is sitting "on" the screws so I would assume most of the risk is screws somehow sinking when load is added ? might be stupid question 😅

  • @tlangdon12

    @tlangdon12

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Pull Test proves the amount of tensile strength in the ground and the screw. If you imagine quite a light building, like a garden shed, in a very high wind, the wind is trying to roll the building over, so there is upwards pull force on the screws on the side of the building closest to the wind. This force can be greater than you think in high winds with slab sided buildings in exposed location and with certain roof shapes.

  • @garyhollywell2112
    @garyhollywell21123 жыл бұрын

    Robin what is a ballpark cost for the installation of Ground Screws for a Garden Room of this size?

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well I suppose the average size room would be about 1500 to supply and install

  • @gregorymacneil2836
    @gregorymacneil28363 жыл бұрын

    What is the expected lifespan of the ground screws before decay reduces structural capacity?

  • @Oli_Hudson
    @Oli_Hudson3 жыл бұрын

    Did you move the car alright?!!

  • @wjm1676
    @wjm16763 жыл бұрын

    Are you filming the garden room build robin?

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes mate the whole thing

  • @wjm1676

    @wjm1676

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstruction perfect look forward to the upcoming videos

  • @christaylor5291
    @christaylor52913 жыл бұрын

    Hi Robin Does this company travel to Watford area? I’m doing a self build garden room and I’m in need of ground screws being installed.

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Possibly!! Ask him, it may depend on his work load

  • @christaylor5291

    @christaylor5291

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstruction thanks Robin. I will! I emailed you a couple of months back via you’re website asking for some advice on a garden room. I’m a carpenter by trade and wanted some insight. I know your busy but your opinion and advice would be much appreciated! Take care my friend. Ps whens this roofing square available 😉

  • @kiers1970
    @kiers19703 жыл бұрын

    Fast forward 2 years... Loads of summer houses and mancaves at right angles

  • @UberAlphaSirus
    @UberAlphaSirus3 жыл бұрын

    The pull test yeilds and means not much. But at least the yeild will be more than the load. On chalk or clay, your probably good. Gonna need a long one on sand and shale. Same shit realy, I like 'em. Piles are piles however you do them.

  • @cliveramsbotty6077
    @cliveramsbotty60773 жыл бұрын

    classic 'bag over the extension lead' trick

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes Clive!! I was waiting for that to be spotted, top of the class mate!!

  • @ironpirate8

    @ironpirate8

    3 жыл бұрын

    It must have been quite wet! If it's only a shower you just turn it so the sockets are down. 😁

  • @keithbucknall
    @keithbucknall3 жыл бұрын

    What happens if you think you have drains there how can you survey them before hand

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    We ask the client, or use the services companies to check their records and also we use a detecting device

  • @keithbucknall

    @keithbucknall

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstruction ok thanks for the reply amazing videos

  • @cr-ew8od
    @cr-ew8od3 жыл бұрын

    Why pull test?

  • @theetheeyog9878
    @theetheeyog98783 жыл бұрын

    These are the Swedish screws aren't they

  • @nobbystyles4807
    @nobbystyles48073 жыл бұрын

    the amount of time thats taken i could have the post holes dug

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well its getting the post holes past the building inspectors that the issue, we always have full building regs for our jobs as they are generally over the 30m2 maximum size that you are allowed to build without regs

  • @redsresearch
    @redsresearch6 ай бұрын

    how much is that machine to drill them into the ground?

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    6 ай бұрын

    Why would you like to buy one?

  • @redsresearch

    @redsresearch

    6 ай бұрын

    @@ukconstruction yup

  • @CLCLTD
    @CLCLTD3 жыл бұрын

    I never see you scanning the ground for Utilities , this is something yous do right

  • @jamiefors5062

    @jamiefors5062

    3 жыл бұрын

    Think they just say fk it and go for it 🙄

  • @grrinc
    @grrinc3 жыл бұрын

    I was legit taken aback when I saw the size of those screws. I thought it was a scene from Little Britain.

  • @Jake-wz7wy

    @Jake-wz7wy

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mr macbeth is a naughty man

  • @benrichards1
    @benrichards13 жыл бұрын

    You haven't been on skillbuilder lately. All that finished now?.

  • @antonyporter5045
    @antonyporter50453 жыл бұрын

    great video but ! the load on the screwpiles is compressive not tensile , the weight of that building is going to push down on the piles

  • @marcusdaviso
    @marcusdaviso3 жыл бұрын

    When you forget somebody's name and keep having to call them 'mate'.

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes Mate!!!

  • @grrinc

    @grrinc

    3 жыл бұрын

    😄😁

  • @barryford7135

    @barryford7135

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s a southern thing mate. 👍

  • @ReedikTuuling
    @ReedikTuuling3 жыл бұрын

    That's why the price of timber is so high - everyone is building garden rooms.

  • @Smart-electrical
    @Smart-electrical3 жыл бұрын

    Out of curiosity wouldn’t a push test be more fitting for the intended purpose of the piles?

  • @dharris85

    @dharris85

    3 жыл бұрын

    How would you anchor down the thing you're using to measure push

  • @Smart-electrical

    @Smart-electrical

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dharris85 my point is if there’s say 2 tonne structure sat on the piles it’s more important the piles don’t drop further into the ground rather than lift out - if you see what I mean

  • @dharris85

    @dharris85

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Smart-electrical A pull test will give the same indication of how solid the ground is though. Not sure if it's physically possible to do a push test, because you'd be pushing the testing machine up, and that would have to anchor to something and it can't anchor to air

  • @ironpirate8

    @ironpirate8

    3 жыл бұрын

    To do a push test you'd need either a lot of weight that could be concentrated on one pile, or something like an excavator and a really heavy duty set of scales. 😁 Forces should be about the same whether pushing or pulling, as haz said.

  • @dharris85
    @dharris853 жыл бұрын

    Would it not be easier to dig some footings?

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Super pricey!!

  • @dharris85

    @dharris85

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstruction fair enough

  • @MrJFoster1984
    @MrJFoster19843 жыл бұрын

    Hmmm

  • @keefkhat4337
    @keefkhat43373 жыл бұрын

    Where did you get that weatherproof extension lead?

  • @jamiefors5062

    @jamiefors5062

    3 жыл бұрын

    🙄

  • @jonno946
    @jonno9463 жыл бұрын

    How do you know there are no services underneath

  • @ironpirate8

    @ironpirate8

    3 жыл бұрын

    For cables - lick the screw? 😁

  • @therealdojj
    @therealdojj3 жыл бұрын

    do car talk...could this be a garage? thanks

  • @najhussain216
    @najhussain2163 жыл бұрын

    Hi Robin. You not getting back at Liam from 'Oakwood Garden Rooms' by building this garden room. I'm sure he was joking when he said he wanted to fight you

  • @ukconstruction

    @ukconstruction

    3 жыл бұрын

    Did he actually say that!!

  • @jasonantigua6825

    @jasonantigua6825

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ukconstruction Have a bare knuckle with him Richard!!!

  • @najhussain216

    @najhussain216

    3 жыл бұрын

    He was joking. Cant wait for build to start.

  • @jamesfarrer5087

    @jamesfarrer5087

    3 жыл бұрын

    He was joking... he was getting fed up with people commenting that he wasn't a patch on Robin

  • @najhussain216

    @najhussain216

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jamesfarrer5087 Robin is a master craftsman. No doubting that

  • @267BISMARK
    @267BISMARK3 жыл бұрын

    Global warming.In Australia we were told we would have endlees hot sumers, but we just had one of the coldest on record. We were told we would have endless droughts, but all our dams are full. There are more trees here,Canada and the US than there wass 100 years ago due to proper forest management.Enough tress grow every 15 minutes to build a new house. Im sick of all the fear mongering.