Regarding the elevation wheel turning in the video: The elevation axis was locked with the lock screw, and yes, hat wheel was spinning on the axis but was moving itself, not the elevation adjustment. The wheel must be impinging upon the vice itself with the lock screw loosened for that wheel to effect elevation adjustment, it was merely spinning loosely and did *NOT* effect the rest.

@alekseykuleshov111

4 жыл бұрын

So, I believe there is not smoke without fire. I totally convinced by your test, but it is really interesting what other things can potentially impact accuracy on possibly multiple occasions during real battle. Maybe some more rounds through the barrel or may be multiple heating and cooling or maybe impact while heated can break something too easily. Really curious in that g36 controversy. Thanks for video!

@alt5494

4 жыл бұрын

Did Nathan who did the Faxon videos start his own company? Or simply move on to something else.

@tengu190

4 жыл бұрын

You should test an AUG as well as it is also heavily polymer.

@tengu190

4 жыл бұрын

If HK was worried they could supplied the German military with the MG36.

@chasler1741

4 жыл бұрын

My question is what is the impact of Karl hiking five miles, legging it half a mile with 100 pounds of kit and then dumping 60 rounds? Should be a good indication if its the rifle or combat stress.

I fear this is a myth in the same realm as the M1 "ping of death": no matter how many times you disprove it, people won't believe you because "they don't say it for nothing."

@exploatores

4 жыл бұрын

I wounder how many has shoot more then one type of military selectfire rifle. I don´t think many have tested shooting the weapon in a rigg. I have heard pepole talk about a weapon they never shoot. even a round from.

@OpNorthwoods

4 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of the ping of death myth. What's that one about?

@fangk.7367

4 жыл бұрын

i dont have channel is the name of this there are no videos some FUDDlore about the distinctive *ping* giving away the position of an American soldier and telling the enemy that someone had run out of ammunition.

@-MarcelDavis-

4 жыл бұрын

@@OpNorthwoods I assume, he is talking about the M1 Garand, which would eject a metal clip with a loud ping when empty. They myth is that enemy soldier would hear it and kill them while reloading. The truth is that it wasn't an issue as you are rarely alone on a battlefield and even though the ping is noticeable, it probably won't be heard over gun fire and explosions on a WW2 battlefield.

@OpNorthwoods

4 жыл бұрын

@@fangk.7367 I can see how people might think that, thanks.

And *that* is exactly what InRange does best!!!

@DustyGamma

4 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't be so rare: people being objective and honest, but look at the time: it's today.

@MrGrimsmith

4 жыл бұрын

Similar reaction. I'm English so have certain cultural responses. Some I can put aside but you tell me that the L1A1 is *not* a glorious rfile then my national justification reflex goes "La la la! Can't hear you!" Much like anything M4/M16 platform related to you lot... And no, I don't insist that the L85 A1 is a good rifle. It was shit. A2? Sound enough. Right hand charging? We still do the same with bolties so why is that wrong?

@Corvious

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, if only HK would make some of these rifles locally or that damn “sporting purposes” line got removed so we can have more of these wonderful rifles available here in the states.

@ryanwitman8672

4 жыл бұрын

BOTR and InrangeTV are the gun myth busters and I love it

@pyry1948

4 жыл бұрын

Is that a Swiss M18 helmet in your avi? Cool!

Was a German army soldier 2006-2010. That dual optic wasn't ever as cool as the people who designed it thought it was. Fortunately after basic, they gave us the proper updated rifle where we could clamp our own optics on a top mounted rail.

@stephanl1983

4 жыл бұрын

It was a big step when it was introduced, but today it's outdated. Grüße von einem ex Soldaten

@BeKindToBirds

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with the optics is primarily the speed of advancement in the field. Like a cell phone five years ago, by the time you get it there is already a much better one out. It will likely plateau and then it could be unheard of to have soldiers placing their own optics instead of using the integrated ones.

@Frontline_view_kaiser

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf. We're you serving in the EGB, that you had rails on your G36's at home? I was in Afghanistan 2019 and I still had to carry the G36A0.

@falkmachtsachen

4 жыл бұрын

When you ever had a "Durchschlageübung" and tried to get a target view trough the G3s 400m aperture, while being wet from swimming through the rine, you want a dual sight, because it's too expensive and your G36 takes the boat, so you do not need to swim one armed :)

@ralph1125

4 жыл бұрын

It is nicer than the iron sights on the G3, tough.

I've been serving for nearly 4 years now (bundeswehr) and most experienced Guys (mostly Grunts with at least +8 years) I talked to were satisfied with the G36, many even love it (even the ones who were on deployment) I also love it, almost never had a malfunction with it (except blank rounds, those things are worse than a Zip pistol) I remember that one time we spend hours with adjusting rifles in our Platoon, and the next day we shot at targets 400m away, most of us hit with 1-3 rounds which was phenomenal The G36 is accurate if adjusted correctly and in overall a very good & fantastic assault rifle, there are only minor things which suck: The Magazines shape which make it harder to pull & put them back in the pouches while also needing bigger pouches and thus more space for them (just compare m4 with g36 standard mags) The Optics, the main one is small for todays standards and a bit weak (its reticle is perfect tough) and dont get me started on the red dot Big, bulky, heavy, small lense & big dot which is not comatible with NVG My conclusion: Keep the G36 system but its desperately needs to be modernized But the ministry doesnt care, they simply want to waste money on a completely new rifle instead of unsing said money, to upgrade it Its all about image, get a new modern rifle no matter how dumb that decision is, and all the normies will think youre competent and that "at least he's doing something"

@BigDaddyGAO

4 жыл бұрын

The US military has put out a lot of requests to replace the AR platform, guess what’s still in service now. Even when the Marines switch to the HK, it’s essentially a piston AR. The biggest tragedy is that the G36 never got the aftermarket support and advancement it deserved to make it a modern weapon platform.

@Orcawhale1

4 жыл бұрын

But isn't it cheaper to replace the whole rifle system, now. Rather than giving them a service life upgrade, and then changing the rifle system later down the line?

@NoNamePDG

4 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 you forget that its not all about the cost to replaye it but also the what changes with it, new wepon parts in reserve, new training, the logistic alone is a beast in its own.

@m.p.7124

4 жыл бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar I'm pretty sure G36 mag wells for STANAG mags already exist since it's a modular part and would make it much more attractive as an export gun.

@Orcawhale1

4 жыл бұрын

@@NoNamePDG True, but asfaik they are already using it in their special forces and as a DMR, so i doubt it will be that big of a problem.

As a german I realy hope someone shows this to our ministry of defence

@tommihommi1

4 жыл бұрын

well, it has been well established that the accuracy problems were mostly due to a bad ammo batch

@arielgarcia5065

4 жыл бұрын

Noooo I wanna see what happens with hk433. In Spain we still use g36 anyway and probably we will for too long

@yester8039

4 жыл бұрын

@@arielgarcia5065 lol no, there is plans for santa barbara and HK to start soon with the HK433 for spain soon, but it has stopped due to NATO watching at the 6.5mm american trials

@Jonathan77933

4 жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 I am a 100% sure that that wasn't the Problem. It was mostly PR and Press how pushed the allegeations against the G36. The G36 is built just as the BW wanted it, it was never designed to be a Battlerifle or even go into war, it was a time of peace back then.

@niklaslindgren8676

4 жыл бұрын

Facts have no place in lobbying and politics

I love transparent magazines. The rounds are like "yay, I'm next!".

@Angry-Lynx

4 жыл бұрын

Your avatar suites perfectly for this comm 😂👍

@Angry-Lynx

4 жыл бұрын

I read this in Randys voice ;

It's always funny how fast 30 rounds can disappear even in semi-auto.

@Bubben246

4 жыл бұрын

Not to my wallet, it ain't!

@BigBoiBleu

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bubben246 facts

@Hanzer-ns5bh

4 жыл бұрын

People think it's "a lot" when all they watch is Hollywood trash with infinite magazines and zero malfunctions. "30" can quickly turn to "29, accidentally charged the weapon twice" "24, discounting the light primer strikes", or even "zero because an out-of-battery detonation absolutely shattered the mag". Shit happens; it isn't always due to you but it's also almost never at a convenient time. Keep a butt-ton of mags, KEEP THEM LOADED, learn how to maintain them, and practice practice practice your reloads-- top-off, combat, from empty, snap-cap mixed, 2-3-2, etc. Just because your lovely little bangstick has 30 right now does NOT mean that is a guarantee or a certainty. Drilling for accidents will help your reaction time if a problem presents itself outside of a practice-friendly environment.

@scottcped

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a fully auto semi automatic.

@jeremiahm3765

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottcped With a 30 magazine clip.

Test is inaccurate, not in German soil with actual Bundeswehr present.

@levoGAMES

4 жыл бұрын

Needs official Sachverständiger on site to verify test results.

@comunistubula4424

4 жыл бұрын

TUV sagt NEIN?

@herosstratos

4 жыл бұрын

MacGyverGuy Of cause you need original air from Hammelburg.

@creepyendy

4 жыл бұрын

@@levoGAMES you are god damn right

@nikolas772

4 жыл бұрын

And you need a Notar on site.

I'd love to see an accuracy test from more guns! dump 60-90 rounds and compare possible zero-shifting, flyers etc. Would be very interessting to see changes through the generations of the same gun.

Why would you have had a thorough cleaning job on that gun? Did you, I dunno, drop it in the mud, or something? 😂

@mistrbloosky956

4 жыл бұрын

Sleeping Insomiac they did a mud test with it

@nemdenemam9753

4 жыл бұрын

what kind of a monster would drop a g36 in the mud?

@Serocia

4 жыл бұрын

@@nemdenemam9753 InRange is the monster that we need, not the one we deserve.

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

@@nemdenemam9753 H&K, because apparently it's part of their routine testing...

Yes this was what I always thought too, if the polymer started to melt within 60 round mag dumps then it wouldn’t have been accepted for service in the first place. The companies and militaries like to put the firearms through grueling testing to simulate the worst conditions in combat, and an issue as serious as the polymer melting would have not been overlooked for the duration of the G36’s service. Also to add that polymer technology has improved a lot during the Cold War, we have the capacity to make well built polymer systems as we see today in other militaries.

@Angry-Lynx

4 жыл бұрын

Good plastic can take 100+C no prob.

@michaelgolisch1081

4 жыл бұрын

I could see it being a bad batch of plastic in one specific rifle that squeaked by quality control. But not a systemic malfuction to the whole produciton run.

@MrCantStopTheRobot

4 жыл бұрын

It's just corruption, dudes. New arms contracts aren't going to sign themselves.

@Seth9809

4 жыл бұрын

It could be that if you get the barrel hot a hundred times, then the polymer melts.

@Dennis-vh8tz

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Seth9809 Or if you shoot the gun until it fails (something far beyond the expected duty cycle which might reasonably start melting things, like full auto mag-dumping hundreds of rounds), then it shoot it again without replacing the broken parts, it fails quickly.

How dare you advise us not to tithe to the church of H&K.

@gastonbell108

4 жыл бұрын

The church of HK has been intellectually bankrupt since the late 90s. Their top products are now cost-and-complexity-added variants (not even necessarily improvements) on American designs. They weren't even willing to stoop to THAT until the German government told them "We want an AR platform, not an HK platform". Not saying the Americans rule the roost in all regards (after all, we buy all our machine guns from the Belgians), but surely that should have served as a wakeup call for them...

@DerLoladin

4 жыл бұрын

@@gastonbell108 Thats just...false. On so many levels. Yikes.

@uegvdczuVF

4 жыл бұрын

@@gastonbell108Nah, it was the Bits and Muricans that went to HK and said "fix our gun please?" Resulting in L86A2 and HK416. Well, not really, but it goes to show how easy it is to twist reality into whatever bs you want it to be...

@quinncowden2711

4 жыл бұрын

@@gastonbell108 Thats... so wrong I don't know where to start.

@olisk-jy9rz

4 жыл бұрын

@@gastonbell108 Piston based rifles aren't "added complexity". They're simply the superior system, and all the world armies have/are adopting them

There were similar reports from the US army in Afghanistan, where they mag dumped on full auto as enemy was trying to get into their COP/FOB to the point that rifles "melted" and failed. No rifle is designed to do mag dumps at cyclic continuously, and even actual MGs will struggle to survive that.

@AldanFerrox

4 жыл бұрын

We normally had to change the barrel on our MG3's after two belts (200 rounds) of continious fire.

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

@@AldanFerrox We got trained on 150 rounds for a barrel change. Let me tell you tho, the armory is not happy when you dump 600+ rounds through one in 30 seconds...

@AldanFerrox

4 жыл бұрын

@@Chrinik We were also told to change after 150 rounds, but our commander said that changing after 200 rounds was good enough.

@hellcatdave1

4 жыл бұрын

There's videos of H&K mag dumping the G36 until it gets set on fire. Cmags too, God knows how many rounds it ate.

@Pidalin

2 жыл бұрын

@@AldanFerrox It's funny that they teach you same things as before in wehrmacht. 😀

I'd love to hear that 1 hour conversation with Tom at TommyBuilt.

The whole G36 controversy was purely political in nature, people who actually use it love the thing.

@NaeMuckle

3 жыл бұрын

No it wasn't. The ammunition used by the soldiers added to the heat of the country + full auto fire caused stoppages. This test was using different ammo and not in bursts while firing in the shade. They found out the problem and corrected it.

@deadwinterknight1981

2 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure it was a first generation issue that they fixed after finding out about it.

@tomitiustritus6672

2 жыл бұрын

No matter if there was something to it or what caused it if yes, i think the reason for the blow up was that the G36 was acquired with a service time of 20 years in mind. Those 20 years were over in 2016. Of course the german small arms industry starts getting restless feet when they expected a new opportunity to snatch a giant contract, but when the time comes near, it doesn't look as if their cronies in the MoD can actually get away with it. In the pre-Russia-invaded-Ukraine climate in Germany, they needed to have a good story to sell the public the idea of acquiring a new rifle. Especially with the Bundeswehrs well earned reputation in Germany to swallow one of the largest military budgets in the world whole and still not being able to have a single helicopter flight worthy.* *For comparison: in 2017 UK had a military budget of 47 bn, Germany one of 44 bn, France of 57 bn. UK has 2 working aircraft carriers, France has one aircraft carrier, Germany in the same year estimated the Bundeswehr cou!d actually use something between 30%-70% of its vehicles (land, air and sea), the rest was defect. Please don't start with underfunded Bundeswehr crap. It's not underfunded, the money is simply leeched off.

@arguy3297

2 жыл бұрын

I think the funniest story in modern small arms procurement is the British government sticking with their locally produced SA80 and going through like 3 different iterations because it was a flaming piece of shit. Until they finally decided to pay HK $3K per rifle to develop the A3 variant at which point they ought to have just bought a G36 or AR15 variant to begin with.

@pimpompoom93726

Жыл бұрын

With Ursula involved, how would anyone believe it was political??? 😆

574 comments and nobody brought up that he wasn't using issue German ammo? What happened to you Internet? You used to be needlessly pedantic.

@5000rgb

4 жыл бұрын

I pretty sure I counted 31 rounds in one of the magazines. Completely invalid test.

@Hanzer-ns5bh

4 жыл бұрын

Zero use of the neato locking lugs on mags, no techno music bumping softly in the background, and I don't see a SHRED of flecktarn on his person. 0/100, test invalid, reported to Stasi Central Command, made a #cancelled post on my gun Insta, cried into my licensed HK416 airsoft gun while blaring Kraftwerk so _mütter_ can't hear me.

@Optimator7

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@comradepierogi

4 жыл бұрын

He is reloading a gun slower then a soldier would do, which means gun has more time to cool down. And also he is not on full auto (runs away)

@stalkerXEXE

4 жыл бұрын

@@argumasch663 One of the main reasons for the problems with the G36 was called the quality of German ammunition. So the comments about the test are quite correct. The claims about the" Best " carbine are completely ridiculous.

Thank you for transferring everithing into the metric system - it is really convinient

Apparently KZread unsubscribed me from this channel so just seeing it now... Thanks

Nice test! I served in Bundeswehr and fired over 100 rounds during a combat training with the G36 within short time. Probably 30 of those in full auto mode. I was still able to easily hit targets 250 - 300 m at the end of the training. Personally I have never experienced any problems with this rifle. Fully agree with your conclusion. Horrido, Martin 👊🏼💪🏼

Today on Mythbusters, guess starring Karl Cassarda, we test the age old myth of the "Melty G36"

It had never occurred to me that they re-painted these targets inbetween shooting sessions; I always wondered if they bought new ones but it sounded weirdly complicated and expensive. Interesting!

@sawyere2496

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah steel targets get totally fucking abused. Most people only get rid of them when the target is totally ruined

Thank you for using Ballistol, it is the best stuff ever made period. Danke aus Deutschland.

@gerald8573

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrCarGuy Never heard that it would be good for dry environments. It was made in Germany for Germany. And we are nothing like Arizona. I have never found anything better, except if you need special things like thick fat or such.

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrCarGuy But nothing smells like it....hmmmm....pine needle-y goodness. But yes, the amount of stuff you can use Ballistol for is amazing. Clean gun? Check. Then use the same can to clean your dogs ears? Check. XP

@paavobergmann4920

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrCarGuy jup, it is too liquid and vaporizes too quickly for an efficient lubricant in most cases, but is has an astonishing range of possible uses, e.g. sealing the wound if you stuck a fishing hook in your finger, making a stuck bicycle lock go again, silencing screeching screws in your bedframe, cleaning any kind of metal parts.... Plus the premium smell.

Spoke to numerous soldiers in the Lithuanian armed forces who use G36KA4 and an older G36KV1 as the standard issue rifle for at least 15 years now . The conclusion is unilateral - it's an excellent rifle. Soldiers love it and praise its reliability. Did ask about the shift of impact issue in Germany due to overheating, the guys don't even know what to say because never experienced anything like it.

FINALLY a REAL and scientific test proving all the BS is just that. And yes, Tommy is an awesome guy. I have a feeling his sales will take another jump with this video out there now.

@andersjjensen

4 жыл бұрын

No, this is not scientific. Everything he said was very plausible, and I think the results are *likely* somewhat representative. But a sample size of one german barrel is not science. You always need a control group. That particular barrel could be much worse, or much better, than what is representative. Having served with both a G3, an MP5 and a G36 I actually think this particular barrel was either somewhat to the crappy side or wind conditions fucked with him. Had he done one or two more groupings, with all first shots being consistently low I'd be fully convinced. But then again, I only used one myself, and he does have a point that this barrel may in fact be past its intended service life. But we can only speculate until we compare at leas a handful of parts kits against an old-new stock barrel.

@lyxar777

4 жыл бұрын

Umm. Sorry, but this is not a "scientific test", simply because of the small sample size. However: It is a test done as accurate and proper as possible for a private person, who doesn't have access to a hundred rifles and a hundred-thousand rounds of ammunition. And ironically enough, it's still a better test than anything else out there so far.

@Serocia

4 жыл бұрын

@@lyxar777 Technically, it's still scientific in that the test can be recreated. You should still take it with a grain of salt though, because like you said, small sample size. I don't think sample size disqualifies something from being scientific, just limits its overall accuracy.

@joelau2383

4 жыл бұрын

Scientific? He didn't track most of the rounds he fired, especially when heat is not fully spreaded. Some gun manufacturer and military test their rifle from first shot to the last, so they know what is the maximum deviation possible.

@benargee

2 жыл бұрын

I heard it was due to thinner walled casings that sink less heat thereby putting more into the barrel.

Ahh our combat tupperware

@Taistelukalkkuna

4 жыл бұрын

That´s the kind of Tupperware Party I would participate.

@markusmottus1686

4 жыл бұрын

Wot bout the Austrian Tupperware *cough* g_l_o_c_k

Karl really scraping the barrel for excuses to mag dump the G36 :D

Is there a chance we can we get a InRangeTV interview with TommyBuilt? That sounds like it would be a great Q&A format style video like the Faxon interview.

@jonathangriffiths2499

4 жыл бұрын

As the chap was willing to chat for an hour perhaps he was already aware of the channel so odds on an in-depth may be short

@yupyup4209

4 жыл бұрын

I second this notion

Thumbs up for Celsius reading :D

@castform57

4 жыл бұрын

@@shakingmyhead7707 Too bad the F system is not as systematic and consistent as C. The more minute measurements argument for which is "better" is also awful since decimals exist, and most people will not feel a difference in 1F or 0.5C if we're talking about how the numbers feel. I like my chilly temp to be 0-15C, warm 16-24, and hot 25+.

@GamePath

4 жыл бұрын

@@castform57 I felt like there wasn't a enough range in numbers while living in Europe for 3 years. Most cars thermostats didn't go into decimals either. Either way it doesn't matter unless you're a scientist.

@saurelius5217

4 жыл бұрын

@@castform57 I see you are a fellow big brain. I'd like to add, if metric was standardized during the time of The Founding Fathers, we wouldn't be using the "Standard"(English Imperial System).

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

@@shakingmyhead7707 You know, Celcius is metric...there are literally thousands of steps between each degree of Celcius if you want to be more "minute", Farenheit is a scale based on human body temperatures...I take the more accurate, scientifically usable Celcius scale than some arbitrary one some dude came up with meassuring his wife... Or we could convert everything to Kelvin.

@theangrychairman

4 жыл бұрын

Celsius masterrace

Great content as always. To anyone interested in the reliability part of the equation, I recommend watching video footage of a destruction test done at H&K in the 90s (here on YT under "G36 900 rounds full auto fire until failure test"). They put 900 rounds from 100-round beta mags through the rifle in under 4 minutes without a malfunction. If there really was a significant issue with the polymer, you'd expect that rifle to have turned into a puddle of molten plastic on the floor.

@nindger4270

4 жыл бұрын

@Craig Koehler a lot of people were and some still are saying something along those lines. Just to be clear, I'm not saying Karl was saying anything of the sort here or anywhere else.

@oluenionloppu

4 жыл бұрын

really cool video, but thats more a reliability than an accuracy test.

@nindger4270

4 жыл бұрын

@@oluenionloppu true, edited the post to be more clear on that.

Love sitting down enjoying a cup of coffee and an inrange vid pops up in my feed. Great video Karl, keep it up!

they did it, the mad lads actually did it

@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962

4 жыл бұрын

Not actual G36's, otherwise this would be a valid response. Stress testing a discount G36 is no jaw dropping feat my friend.

@tommihommi1

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962 these tommybuilt guns are extremely expensive, there's nothing discount about them.

@Victini0510

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962 they could get the very first G36 ever off the line, hell, handcrafted and personally delivered to Karl, and people would still be saying it's an invalid test.

@beardoggin8963

4 жыл бұрын

Victini0510 exactly

@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962

4 жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 Compared to an original, they are discount. Ntm this it could be gassed differently due it being a reproduction semi auto. Bit overpriced imo

I love you guys!! Thank you for this vid..... I've been waiting a long time for this.

I served in the german army between 1996 and 2000. Never been to a real combat zone, all range training only. Nobody ever shoot back on us, i am not a veteran and cant say how this rifle performes in real combat. But man, i loved that rifle.

@doku367

4 жыл бұрын

If you served in the military, you are a veteran. Thank you for your service to your country.

Fantastic stuff as always Karl! Thank you for continuing to bring us informative and entertaining vids like these and helping to kill off some of those really stupid old myths.

Another quality parcel of content! Loved it.

Question more out of curiosity. Is there more heat from the mag dump than letting the gun absorb heat from the desert sun for an extended period of time? If so, then this question is a moot point. The question itself arises from Ian's video clarifying that the scandal reports heating of 1 side of the gun from it laying on the ground for an extended period of time, and an officer states a general property of polymers that gets taken out of context. And later that assumption was expanded to include ammo dump heat ups.

@Biker_Gremling

4 жыл бұрын

The guns where already at 37°C desert ambient temperature, nice and warn. This looks like a wrost case scenario.

@Dhari1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Biker_Gremling Fully agree. The wonderful Arizonan desert did its job! :)

@NoNamePDG

4 жыл бұрын

you can even see how the gun lies there one side up in the sun

@sestomolesto

4 жыл бұрын

@@Biker_Gremling A black gun gets a lot hotter than ambient air temperature from direct sun exposure, hardly "Worst case scenario"

@WraithChornobyl

4 жыл бұрын

Go shoot 2 magazines from a frozen AKM as fast as you can, in Siberian or Alaskan winter solstice temps, and put your bare hand on the front trunnion area, inside the receiver. Tell me what you feel.

If the G36 got the same treatment of tech advancement and aftermarket development the current AR had compared to the original M16 that was adopted by the military, it would be a very competitive weapons platform.

@kaschberle6948

4 жыл бұрын

i agree. With their upgrades, HK even managed to turn the l85 into a usable plattform.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

4 жыл бұрын

Modern barrel, the aforementioned rails already in use and the magazine conversion piece that allow it to be issued with PMags/EMags would make it a very competitive rifle.

What a milestone for InRange to reach - this is a very relevant modern topic, one I'm excited to see covered by the professional attitude on the channel.

Nice! I’ve been hoping for this video for a long time! Great content guys!

I never had failure of the gun during my 8 years of service. And we all were used to the double optics. Never had any problems with my 36.

I used the G36 back in 98/99 and 2000. Accuracy never was a problem. The rifle was accurate and reliable under all circumstances. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that it wasn´t quite as rugged as the G3, which I used before. I also liked the combination of red dot sight and scope.

I love your brand of casual professionalism, Karl

wasn't it eventually discovered that it was the ammo that was causing the intial accuracy issues? sounds very familiar to 1st gen m16

@Holret

4 жыл бұрын

I have never heard of that.

@Andrewza1

4 жыл бұрын

It was most likely the solders being inacurate and blaming the tool

@MyH3ntaiGirl

4 жыл бұрын

First gen M16 ....jam, could be fatal Issue was fix shortly but the stupid myth still stick Same for AK indestructible and no cleaning required myth

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

@@MyH3ntaiGirl I'd still say that a poorly maintained AK will work more reliably than a poorly maintained M-16... But yeah, an AK can fail if not cared for, much like any other machine.

@paavobergmann4920

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, there was something that the ammo supplier got reprimanded for providing sub-par ammo to the army on a number of occasions.

This was covered by the What Would Stoner Do series and your interviews with Faxon. Green Mountain Barrels are also high quality and reasonably priced. So we know what processes Faxon uses in barrel manufacturing. I wonder what processes Green Mountain uses for their barrels? Great video and keep up the good work.

Shout out to this man for the pronunciation of „Bundeswehr“!

Thanks a lot to patreon supporters for making this illuminating and educating video possible

This was fascinating. Always had a soft spot for the fantastic plastic rifle. Can't wait to see what's in store!

thanks for the metric conversion !

G36 accuracy was an inside job.

@CKshouta

4 жыл бұрын

it quite literally is?

@kaschberle6948

4 жыл бұрын

@@CKshouta yup

@hakari5014

4 жыл бұрын

5.56 can't melt G36 trunnions.

@berndberndsen5680

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, odds are HK will get the contract for its replacement. Coinki of a goddamn dink.

@paavobergmann4920

4 жыл бұрын

@Falk M it better have suffered from them illegally exporting firearms to dodgy conflict zones, but instead, everyone picked up on the accuracy BS....makes you wonder...

I'd also like to thank Tom and Steven for making this fascinating video possible.

Thank You Steven, Karl, Tommy built and All the sponsers! 👍👍👍🇺🇸

Spent the last half of the vid trying to figure if you were wearing AO lunar replica shades or not?

Finally, the time has come

Thanks for this tests InRangeTV! You showed it and you said it, no problems at all. And yes, on the barrell production of your two rifles are 20-30 years of production, material and experiences difference (barrell from the '90s vs. a barrell from today). Nevermind, I said that (the G36 have no problems) under many videos and now, after years, a channel like you shows it to the world. Thanks! I wish we could take this video effectivly against the old defence minister and shows it in the world press too. Greetings from Germany! 🇩🇪

I had G36 model KV2 made in 2006 in Germany. And it was awesome. I did overheat it many times and it did work perfectly. In five years of use I never ever had a jam or any sort of problem with live ammo. Even when its sandy muddy wet it was flawless. Barrel life is 50000 shots. Then it needs to be replaced. A very capable and reliable rifle.

As i've commented before. These guns, minus the horrendously long barrel, the magazines and the optic, are fantastic. The complaints about ''not hitting jack'' from people who went on deployment with these, are mostly trackable to straight up not zeroing the rifles, the horrible optics and mirage from heat in deployment regions or human failure. Thanks to InRange, 9 Hole and Steven for helping to clarify the ''cloud of misinformation'' arround the gun. Vergelt's Gott and have a nice day!

@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts

4 жыл бұрын

Magpul makes G36 mags and there is also a replacement magwell for AR mags

@samhansen9771

4 жыл бұрын

I've heard that German soldiers only ever got to fire a couple rounds in training, which was why they had accuracy problems. Just what I heard though.

@timponn8573

4 жыл бұрын

@@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts I know. I used the replacement Magwell and ran Gen 2 PMAG's and Lancers. Worked just fine.

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly the long barreled G-36s should have been phased out of deployment use, the KA2 version with the new rail is more than sufficient for combat use in the modern era, instead of literally rifles their dads could have used in basic training. And alot of the troops that are suspected to engage in alot of combat (EGB, KSK, Paratroopers etc.) are issued new Ks with optics rail and have absolutely zero problems. Keep the long guns for parade, training and as surplus. Give them new barrels and slowly upgrade them with rails if you must...probably more cost effective than what we are doing now. Greetings, former German Panzergrenadier.

Tommy does amazing work.

Wow, this takes a lot of dedication. Good video!

Keep up the amazing work Carl. A great informative video I highly enjoyed.

ohhh, I'm looking forward to watching this

+1 for talking in imperial AND metric units 👍

Karl, another extraordinary video, keep it up.

Thx you patreon people ! You guys are the best !

Any plans to repeat the test with more "heating"? I would imagine shooting one group, then dumping 30, then doing the group again, then another 30 rounds, another group, until you have 10 or more groups would be interesting to see the shifting of the group over rising temperature.

@Ross665

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds like a nice idea, but are you willing to pay for the ammunition and the extra magazines?

@JeKramxel

4 жыл бұрын

There's so much you can do, but ultimately it will fall outside the design parameters of this gun (and honestly a lot of the AR platforms). These rifles weren't meant to be mag dump guns, that's what machine-guns are used for.

@RG001100

4 жыл бұрын

But also, Karl cited a claim of a massive shift in aim after 60 rounds fired. Though if anyone wants to see magdumps, IV8888 had those videos. The barrel of his AR-15 was glowing red hot after dumping 5 mags. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIed3LipltSspNo.html

@CharlySick

4 жыл бұрын

@@JeKramxel True, but that's what the German media critic is about. The concern is, that if you use what is pretty much a semi-automatic rifle with fully automatic trigger as a light machine gun or squad automatic weapon, the precision drops significantly and you can't use the thing as a DMR rifle any more. I only suggest to do what the other party considers "totally normal usage" and see wether, under these conditions, the error is reproduceable and in what manner. Also I have concerns about letting the rifle "cook" after the magdump. I'm not a gun guy but I've worked with metal a bit, and as far as my experience goes, the more uneven you heat a piece of metal, the bigger the heat deformation is.

All hail the German Combat Tupperware!!

@andersjjensen

4 жыл бұрын

Having served with both a G3, a G36 and an MP5 I'll second that in a heart beat. The G3 is heavy as fuck, but a relentlessly accurate hard hitter. The G36 feels like a toy gun the first time you pick it up, but man does it grow on you fast. So yeah, like Tupperware is top notch stuff when it comes to plastic utensils the G36 is top notch stuff when it come to polymer rifles.

@maxflug8008

4 жыл бұрын

I mean if it's effective

Thanks a lot. Excellent video and analysis. Glad I decided to support you. Fair and unbiased. That is what I like about your channel. And the fact, that it has increased my knowledge about firearms exponentially. Even though I was a soldier for quite some time. Guess I am proof for the fact that being a soldier does not make you an expert on firearms. I used to judge weapons by their weight, recoil and ease of cleaning 😔 Thank god my main weapon came with a 1500hp engine to carry it 😬and was very very accurate by design.

Great video! Was always wondering about this claim.

Nah. I think the reality of the issue is more or less the same as the M4 - it's not a light support weapon but when used as one you run into problems. What you did here was good to give perspective.

@jeffthebaptist3602

4 жыл бұрын

This is basically it. If you use a G36 or M4 on a sustained firing schedule like a SAW, you will likely have problems eventually. But that has happened in events like the Battle of Wanat. The G36 will likely fair worse because polymer doesn't handle heat as well as aluminum.

Thanks for using meters, centimetres and Celsius.

Awesome work! Thank you for doing this.

Brilliant, objective, scientific approach Karl, very well done - again.

I remember watching Alex C with tfb TV test this a few years ago with a "real" full auto g36 and and he came to a very similar conclusion. I really want one of those t36s that or a bren 2.

@stagalgiz1097

4 жыл бұрын

The T36 is great. I posted it early, but I love mine. Beats and AR any day in my book. And anything beats an AK in my book. The only thing that is close to the T36 would be the original Windham Bushmaster ACR (sadly sold mine years ago) but I would take a Bren as an equal to the ACR and the T36. Although I want two more T36's (a C and a K) before I get the Bren.

@DerKrieger107

4 жыл бұрын

@@stagalgiz1097 I was looking at getting one but I've heard they are a bit ammo sensitive. Low powered Tula is def a no go. What has your experience been like? Side note I just was able to snag a Bren 2. It's lovely lol

When I see the G36 with this optic, I immediately said "The Classic"

@faltearth8635

4 жыл бұрын

Sniper mains are not good people

Can't wait for your T36 video. Wish I could have one of these.

That badass old school carry handle/ optic is so cool it might have reduced thermometer reading. Jokes aside, anyone stateside that has used the G36 has fallen in love with it for a reason. Great content here, Karl.

If there's one thing to learn from this _"G36 innacuracy story"_ , is how powerful medias and word-spreading online can be. And how quickly it can tarnish the reputation something ( but sadly it could be somebody) based on baseless allegations/ misrepresented information. I'm glad that InrangeTV as a channel strives to debunk misconceptions and remains as objective as possible, and moreover, fosters critical thinking.

@levoGAMES

4 жыл бұрын

It's corruption. Who benefits from replacing the G36? The media are obviously a part of it. "Only what goes through the media can be considered truth."

@bobuscesar2534

4 жыл бұрын

Interestingly the media talked hours about the inaccuracy of the rifle but noone gave a fuck when the court proved that the rifle was flawless. Stories about things working seem less interesting than over exaggerated stories about bRokEn equipment.

@soldatnr444

4 жыл бұрын

It was a strategy made by politicans who wanted a new rifle. How can you justify investing into new weaponry? Make the current equipment look worse.

thanks

Great testing and analysis!

Karl, thanks for restoring the trust in our german craftsmanship. Greetings from lower saxony, Germany.

I cannot speak for everyone, But I'd like to see more factual videos about firearms for you. It's enjoyable.

This was a great test. I think it would carry over to testing other platforms as well. I know I’d love to see things like SCAR 16, AK-74, M4a1, LMT MRP, etc tested like this.

Oh my... I can´t thank you enough for this video. It reproduces exactly what I´ve heard of guys using it in action. Many said that the reports were widely exaggerated - including unit armorers which said a simple barrel change would make it only better than it already is. And we shouldn´t forget how long many of those rifles are already in use (and misuse*) by a wide variety of people. After the mud test, which really surprised me, another video I can link! *somebody seen the movie 9th Company and remembers the machine gun scene?

Thank you for doing a proper scientific test regarding this issue. There is so much rhetoric out there on both sides of the issue, so it is great to see someone actually test this. I would be interested in seeing the German government put its money where its mouth is and do a full-scale study, but I doubt they would be willing to spend the time and money. Two rifles is unfortunately too small of a sample size to draw definitive conclusions for purposes of public policy, but it is adequate to get an idea of what is really going on with this rifle. Thanks again!

This has not been sufficiently heat tested, unless the testing was done by Al Pacino.

@pimpompoom93726

Жыл бұрын

Say 'Wie gehts!' to my little friend!

I knew it. From my own experience in the german army with this rifle, I knew when the controversies came up, that it was bogus. Does the rifle have issues? Yes, nothing is perfect, but not to the claimed degree. It was a political move to justify getting a new rifle adopted, you have to convince the german public it's nessecary or they will ask why fix what isn't broke and spend money that isn't needed... H&K even offered to provide new, heavier and better barrels, which would have probably fixed even the old rifle issues, but the MOD denied. Pretty much any service rifle goes through improvements in it's life...and while the G36 has "improved versions" they appear to be mainly parts kits, some grunts are still running around with literally 30 year old rifles, cause they still "work". So a possible "G36A3" or whatever number we are on now, could have the new flat-top rail, new barrel made to new specs out of new materials, fix some ergonomic stuff, you know, the usual.

Never a dull InRange 🤜🏽

Classic InRange! Thanks a lot!

The second mag of thirty only had twenty-nine rounds in it. Test: invalid. Nice try, German propaganda

@Lindeman08

4 жыл бұрын

It evens out because the first mag dump was 31 :P

You're da best mythbusters :))

I waited for this and here it finally is

Nice! Thank you Karl and Steven. Rich.

I don't know how the lead sled adjustments work but you can see on the second rounds of testing on the german guns when loading a mag he moves the big wheel at the front. Then at 12:10 as he fires the wheel turns more and more. Could this have affected the point of impact by moving the gun up or down slightly?

@happyundertaker6255

4 жыл бұрын

Good observation.

@senavicente

4 жыл бұрын

Hes still using the sights

@rachelpurity1

4 жыл бұрын

@Ryan Yarnevich Not really, it was a valid question. That movement in the rig was extreme.

@rachelpurity1

4 жыл бұрын

@Ryan Yarnevich Scheiße*

@P3acefrogz

4 жыл бұрын

Mr mysterious he’s still using the sights but if the gun itself moved up or down a tiny bit then the point of impact would be off because of it his sight picture has nothing to do with how the gun is positioned.

honestly you are the biggest and most Informative "Weapon in depth" Channel on YT and you still dont have a Sponsor?

@InrangeTv

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t want one. Thank you for the kind words, though! :)

@reubensandwich9249

4 жыл бұрын

Inrange is sponsored...by patreon supporters.

@turbografx16

4 жыл бұрын

Only Dixie Waste Management...

Checking POI shift is a standard test by Rob Ski (an Army sniper) with the AK Operators' Union. He runs three 30rd mags, and the AKs always shift zero, but not significantly

Great Content. You could really see that 1st round on the German gun drop

Dieser Kommentarbereich ist jetzt Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland!

@BlackFoxFalcon

4 жыл бұрын

Jawohl, Herr Hauptfeldwebel!

@Ben-Sonic

4 жыл бұрын

das ist korrekt!

@stephanl1983

4 жыл бұрын

Verstanden!

@Chrinik

4 жыл бұрын

Sichern der Kommentarsektion, "Gefällt mir" knopf Sturmreif schießen, "GMN-Knopf" decken. Ich will mindestens zwei MG auf der Videobeschreibung sehen, Zack Zack, Kameraden, das ist hier kein Ponyhof!

@BlackFoxFalcon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Chrinik Kommentarsektion gesichert! Gefällt mir Knopf steht ab sofort unter ihrem Kommando! GMN Knopf wurde durch unsere Scharfschützen ausgeschaltet und wir haben zwei Kaliber 50 M2 auf der Videobeschreibung klar zum Gefecht Herr Oberleutnant!

Just waiting for the "ITS NOT THE EXACT SAME POLYMER THO!!!!!" comments

@Tyrian3k

4 жыл бұрын

I only had to scroll down about a dozen comments to find one of those.

@williambell7763

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, certain polymers deal with heat significantly better than others, if it's a similar spec polymer then it shouldn't matter either way though.

@AldanFerrox

4 жыл бұрын

@@williambell7763 It's still Polyamide 6.6

Finally some on who mentioned stress releiving related to barrel accuracy

Thanks for this detailed test!