"I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook"

@TheRealColt45

6 ай бұрын

And by golly it put them on the map!

Imagine a world where you can be driven through a tunnel at 25 MPH ! The Boring Company really lives up to it's name!

You actually posted this? Now you're just asking to be bullied.

@jamesedghill3726

Жыл бұрын

We all look forward to your response video

@archigoel

Жыл бұрын

You may create as many 'gotcha' video's. But Musk hasn't failed, till now. Zip2, Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Open AI...and now Boring Co. U are really discounting the power of autonomous, AI controlled, Ev pods. It was not possible to do this tech earlier.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

Is this a threat?

@brianwithoutay2291

Жыл бұрын

@@archigoel what do you call failing to plan for a flame diverter under Starship? Isn't that something NASA and Soviet scientists knew how to deal with since the 1950's?

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

someone's scared their take on boring company is going to be laughed at when boring company finishes the entire system.

So a subway. Except 5 people at a time. 4400 people an hour, max, eventually. By comparison NYC does 125k per hour, average, now I've never seen anyone so proud of getting scammed by a notorious huckster.

@Firebert

Жыл бұрын

Can they even fit 5? I thought it was 3 (maximum) since they have to have an employee driver, then one in front passenger and two in the back.

@ddrhazy

Жыл бұрын

The throughput is more like 1k ppl/hour, maybe even less because the natural reaction for drivers in a narrow tunnel is to go slow.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

​@@ddrhazyThey already demonstrated peak 4400/hr during a convention in their LVCC, and there's room for improvement (higher driving speed, more efficient loading and unloading, etc.)

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

NYC subway lines are at max 5k to 30k/hr depending on the line. You also have to evaluate a system on its cost per passenger. NYC new subway line is atrociously expensive to build compared to the smaller TBC tunnels. Finally, you have to design a system based on the city's needs: why build a network of subway lines for 250k/hr if you only need 5 to 10k/hr????

@ddrhazy

Жыл бұрын

@@SraMYM So make bus only lanes on surface streets by taking away the lanes from motorists and call it a day. Why build tunnels?

I slapped my forehead when they said they'd just add more lanes. One of the classic issues with interstate traffic, brought to the underground. You know what doesn't have that problem? Trains!!!

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

But they do when a rail system is hitting its limits. New lines get built.

@Firebert

Жыл бұрын

@@SraMYM I live in the ninth most populous city in America. Las Vegas has about half the population. None of our lines have more than one track except at the bigger stations. Wtf are you talking about.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

​@@FirebertGreat! But that's not the point... Cities end up building separate lines as ridership increases and when existing lines reach capacity. Same thing.

@Firebert

Жыл бұрын

@@SraMYM give an example of comparative size to Vegas that has this problem. Normally if you have higher volume you just... run trains through more frequently. Duh.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@Firebert That is a solution to higher volume for trains. And it will be the solution to higher volume in the Loop. They'll run more cars. I think they'll also add higher capacity vehicles. They aim to succeed, so they'll do what it takes. That brings up a downside to trains. What do trains do when volume is low? I have been the only person in a train car designed to hold a hundred people. At that moment the train didn't seem very efficient. In my experience, metro systems deal with low volume by running trains less frequently. So instead of a train coming every two or three minutes, you may have to wait 10 minutes or longer. With a TBC loop system, they can take cars out of the system without reducing service levels at all. Some cars taken out of operation will go for charging or maintenance. But many idle cars will simply park at the stations. Then if passengers arrive at the station looking for a ride, the vehicle to take them to their destination is already there waiting for them. Their wait time is zero.

It's a sewer tunnel with Teslaas. Just like adding a lane above ground adding a lane underground will have no impact on traffic.

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

tell me you don't know how induced demand without telling me you don't know how induced demand works.

*PLEASE* tell me this is an out-of-season April Fool's joke.

Here is a very futuristic idea: A long train that can transport multiple people at once, with trains arriving every 2-5 mins depends on the demand, and we actually have something like this... A FUCKING SUBWAY

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

Cost billions

@kovlev5771

7 ай бұрын

@@runlit120 This is the stupidest shit I have heard all day

@kovlev5771

7 ай бұрын

@@runlit120 So... you are telling me that the richest person in the world and the fucking city of Las Vegas can't pay for a subway system also for comparison the Hungarian metro line M4 overall+ operation fees throughout its first year was 595 million dollars (Thats not even close to a billion) And when buying tickets, where the hell do you think your money goes? And, upkeeping teslas (They will break down at some point) Will be very expensive while the vegas loop was only 47 million, it only has 3 stops so a subway system would be much better, this is literally a tunnel under a city, its stupid. That was a long rant

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

@@kovlev5771cry harder?

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

@@kovlev5771 why would a rich person donate billions of dollars so gamblers can fucking travel easier? this is the dumbest shit i've heard all year. lol @ using hungarian metro. USA infrastructure cost billions more to build and takes decades. vegas loop is building 60+ stops and will have 2.1 million capacity per tay using zero tax dollars and will cost as low as $0.83 per person to ride all while being much faster than a subway. trains don't break down? LOL new york city subways need to be rebuilt every 6 years because they're so fragile (check MTA website) in these giant train yards (that are expensive) that emit toxic pollution into the air. meanwhile teslas park in existing parking lots and can easily change tires outdoors. your hungarian metro cant even compete.

Techbros are only capable of selling you worse versions of pre-existing products. Nothing about this is futuristic, and the reality is this loop is probably gonna get filled in with cement in a few years.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

The LVCC loop has been operating for two years already and users enjoy it... Why criticize before the full loop is operating? Seems strange and irrational.

@HazeBlazeItUp

Жыл бұрын

@@SraMYM cram it nerd Edit: you're clearly a paid shill going by you trying to argue with everyone else. At least for your sake I hope you're paid cause it's really sad to sit here and defend this garbage

@TWEAKLET

Жыл бұрын

tourist like things like this which is what it was built for

@807800

Жыл бұрын

The reality is the LVCC Loop has proven to be successful, and they now decided to expand it. And the expansion would cost zero tax dollar, it would entirely be funded by private sectors. Also, the LVCC won the competition to build the transport system against above ground rail system. The loop bid was $44 million, while the competing rail system was $215 million. The loop meet all the requirements and is way cheaper than rail system. It's the obvious choice. With all that facts, dunno why you would be against it.

@douglaspouch5313

Жыл бұрын

@@807800 The first subway system was in 1863. I'm struggling to see whats innovative here. This seems like another grift from the master.

Just build another lane! Lol They will literally do anything but build a train.

@SugareeDances

Жыл бұрын

😂😅. Aliens will get here before a stupid train. 🙄

@Dark_side9999

6 ай бұрын

Murica dont like train

Just give us a subway…

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

cost billions

Grand opening, grand closing

Cheap, standardized tunnels are a good idea however they are best left to subway trains... Fun fact: A deep-level London Metro could fit within a standard 12' Boring Company Tunnel... So....... yeah...

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

Fun fact, London trains wouldn’t work in these tunnels and would shoot up expenses

@Dark_side9999

6 ай бұрын

fun fact, Murica dont like train

@stickynorth

6 ай бұрын

Pray tell troll?@@runlit120

@stickynorth

6 ай бұрын

DEEEERRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPP! @@runlit120

not going to work when each car needs a driver.

Trains. Use trains.

@archigoel

Жыл бұрын

Are expensive. This is 0 capital solution. LV can always build trains "also".

@Amehzyn

11 ай бұрын

@@archigoel 0 capital? Digging tunnels is free all of a sudden? These are smaller than the width needed for a subway, too. They can't be converted cheaply.

@stickynorth

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Use Boring Company to dig the tunnels but use trains. It can be done using existing technology since Deep-Level London Metro trains could fit within these tunnels...

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

@@Amehzyn 0 tax dollars. boring company is privately funding this.

This is insane! But to make it even better, I suggest making the cars longer to fit more people at once. Even better, attach them all together to transport even more people. To prevent using mountains of batteries, use a pantograph system to save resources. And another good idea is to use guided tracks with metal wheels, so it'll always stay on course and you don't need to replace the tires every few years. It'll also reduce friction, making it more energy efficient. With that, those are some improvements to make this futuristic system even better!

@stickynorth

6 ай бұрын

Bingo! Trains in these tunnels would still fit despite what the moron troll above said wouldn't...

@TheRealColt45

6 ай бұрын

That sounds like crazy talk. We're 100 years away from such technology.

So how exactly do you just "add more tunnels" when your single lane tunnels keep backing up with traffic? If you add more tunnels next to or below it as The Boring Company videos suggest with their catchphrase of going "3D" wouldn't that significantly impact the existing tunnel? Usually with existing underground structures there is a certain bearing zone below and adjacent to it you never want to disrupt without carefully coordinated shoring and/or supplemental foundations to redistribute the load path. Running a boring machine directly adjacent to or below an existing tunnel does not sound like that process. The existing tunnel could shift out of position, experience lots of settlement and segments of it could potentially sink into newly created sink holes. If the answer is that you space the tunnels far enough apart horizontally and vertically so this does not become a problem then the argument of going "3D" to save space falls apart even more. The cross-section profile of this system would be pretty massive just to match the capacity of a 2 or 4 lane road. Don't forget if you need to add tunnels to increase capacity you have to enlarge the underground stations as well to provide portals for those tunnels as well as increase the number of pickup and drop off spots or else each of your single lane tunnels will back up just as before. None of this seems well thought out. The guy in the video suggests "just adding tunnels" as if it's a simple matter because Elon said so.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

It seems from the quote that their engineers are designing the system with an eye toward safely adding more tunnels if the need arises. The new tunnels wouldn’t necessarily be directly adjacent to existing ones.

@brianwithoutay2291

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 if the new tunnels cannot be directly adjacent to the existing ones that means it will take up significantly more space than a regular multi-lane road. Building underground is not freely available space. Everything that is built underground will restrict what can be built above ground. What's already built above ground restricts what can be built underground. Overall it's just an incredibly stupid idea and we all know this already. Just because an idea is different it does not mean it is innovative. Stockton Rush thought he was being innovative by bucking tradition and designing a submersible with a carbon fiber hull. We all know how that turned out.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@brianwithoutay2291 That's ridiculous. These tunnels aren't being built with carbon fiber. If loop systems ever reach parity with traditional tried and true train systems in terms of deaths per year, you can celebrate. So far there haven't been any in the loop. A train I was on this year killed one person, and a train in India killed hundreds. So we know how that turned out. I know, I'm comparing apples with submarines. The engineers have said they're building the current tunnels with the expectation of adding more tunnels to the system later. I'm not privy to their plans, but if I were them I wouldn't pay much attention to your insistence that new tunnels have to be built adjacent to old tunnels.

@brianwithoutay2291

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinbailey8827 you are completely missing the point. It's called an ANALOGY! I am talking about the hubris of ignoring existing science and accepted practice just because you think 'disruption' for sake of 'disruption' sounds good in a TED Talk. I've been on a train too that ran over a person. Imagine the sound of a train running over a Christmas tree but instead of hearing splintering branches it's bones. It was a shocking and disturbing experience but it was a suicide and not the fault of the train. Regardless you are making meaningless comparisons. Elon Musk is not proposing the Vegas Loop, conventionally known as a 'Fixed Route Underground Taxi' as a one off novelty system. He is proposing it as a transportation solution for cities on the scale of Los Angeles. If you are going to defend this concept you need to map out and rationalize how it will work. Do the calculations, draw the plans, map out the complete underground terrain of LA. The Boring Company simply gave us bullshit CGI renderings of all that but if you are going to defend their concepts you need to do the work for them.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@brianwithoutay2291 Are you still looking at those renderings from years ago and reacting to them as if that is what they are doing in Las Vegas? That explains a lot! I have looked at what they already built and what they have proposed, and I see a full fledged transportation system. What they have built is working. KZread videos from a few years ago that earnestly described how it couldn’t work (using math!) look silly now. It’s not disruption for disruption’s sake. It’s disruption for the sake of solving very real problems with train-based transport systems. I don’t think the full Las Vegas Loop is a fixed route taxi system, though I think it could easily host such a service. I think the approved map is too complex. You could go from any of 69 stations to any other with no intermediate stops. But even calling it a fixed route taxi system tells me that it’s not just disruption for disruption’s sake. That sort of taxi system is an accepted practice. The tunnels are just tunnels, created using conventional methods. The vehicles are cars (currently). They’re electric, which allows the these three conventional technologies to be combined in a way that wasn’t practical a decade ago. I’m not defending it for LA. I’m defending it for Las Vegas. Those maps are already drawn and approved, and some of the tunnels are already under construction. If LA is interested after seeing how it works in Las Vegas, they can start drawing up plans and making proposals.

This has got to be the most cynical way to sell your car brand. Build a glorified shuttle taxi service and call it, "new public mass transit technology."

Wasn't it supposed to be all autonomous pods??? And Tesla autopilot is not utilized in closed controlled environments??? Its really disappointing - not a Tesla fan but a technology fan - however this really makes me doubt how advanced the Tesla autopilot actually is.

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

No, autonomous pods were never in the contract. Autopilot is being restricted by the fire department.

@xxOblivionxx

6 ай бұрын

They have to put a driver in there for insurance reasons

Why is the City of Las Vegas so dead-set on throwing money at an admitted scam artist when you could just build a subway or lightrail or tram system? Or maybe just expand the existing monorail system?

@ddrhazy

Жыл бұрын

Don't even need to do that. Just make bus only lanes in more areas.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

They are not paying for it. Maybe watch the video before commenting.

@cityoflasvegas

Жыл бұрын

This project is being privately funded. We don’t oversee the monorail but aren’t aware of any plans to expand it.

@buckyzona

Жыл бұрын

watch the video idiot lol

@brianwithoutay2291

Жыл бұрын

​@@cityoflasvegas nice tactful response! In other words, "Yes we know it's garbage but at least we are not paying for it!" You might add "Bless Jesus we are not paying the labor costs as then we would be royally screwed!" Looks like the system requires more drivers for it's short 2 miles than an entire county wide bus system. Speaking of garbage; in the future the completed 69 station system may be useful for garbage collection (and dirty linen services too). You got this system of underground sewer sized tunnels connecting all the major hotels and convention halls. Why not repurpose it for trash collection, dirty linen collection and the like? Trash does not mind taking forever to navigate through an underground labyrinth. Just take everything to a centralized site from which it can be hauled off to a dump, recycling center, laundry services etc.

Sheeple Dream American

69 stops 😊

So… what could’ve been a subway? Instead we have poorly manufactured cars by a megalomaniac going 25mph. 👍🏻

After 1983, Vegas quit being a fun place. Now it is so UPTIGHT

What a stupid idea! Just build a subway to transport people.

@SraMYM

Жыл бұрын

The competing option for Las Vegas Convention Center was an above-ground rail system from Doppelmayr for $215M vs. $52M for the Boring Company. Now, imagine the difference between a loop and and underground rail system...

deeply embarrassing

This is so unbelievably wasteful, inefficient, dangerous, and dumb.

This is a joke 😂

Good work. Las Vegas will thank the Boring Company when they finish the system.

If anyone can make this happen, it's the man that brought us fully autonomous vehicles, space travel, solar powered houses, cool robots, hyper-loops, AI and magic beans.

@brianwithoutay2291

Жыл бұрын

yes brought to you by the same man who claimed Starship did not need a flame diverter, merely blowing up its launch pad and sending debris scattering for miles.

@dougmccoll6126

9 ай бұрын

Elon brought us MAGIC BEANS!??😃

@douglaspouch5313

9 ай бұрын

@@dougmccoll6126 If you're still using legacy beans in 2025...have fun staying poor.

@TheRealColt45

6 ай бұрын

I was getting ready to figuratively slap you until the end friend.😂

It will never get built. Scam.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

Where is the scam? TBC isn’t getting paid to build this. They only make money if they complete the Loop and start collecting fares. It’s being built right now.

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 wrong. No tunnel is currently being drilled.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurbdt2329 They apparently completed drilling the Westgate tunnel in April, with the new Westgate station opening this summer.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

10 ай бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827summer is over. Still no station.

@Firebert

7 ай бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 it's almost 2024 and Westgate Station still isn't open 😭😭😭

We need more visionaries and success stories like Elon Musk. Elon for President!!

2:06 there are other ways, you just don’t want to spend the money.

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

cost billions for trains.

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

7 ай бұрын

@@runlit120 yeah and they carry more people and are faster. The Japanese bullet train has had zero deaths and bankruptcies.

@runlit120

7 ай бұрын

@@checkoutmyyoutubepage no. subways are actually slower. Comparing against bullet train is stupid. This is a short distance system. Also google Shigaraki train disaster