The lengths American cities will go to avoid building trains are truly astonishing

@5414vivek

Жыл бұрын

Exactly lol

@elmotociclista9296

Жыл бұрын

🤣 smooth

@kb_100

Жыл бұрын

Their cities are not dense enough for viable transit. Even when they do build transit they often fail to change the land use around transit stations to make the transit more usable. So nobody ends up using the new transit and the resulting failed projects are used as "evidence" that transit doesn't work. So back to "one more lane bro" planning they go...

@Dularr

Жыл бұрын

Simple. Buiness moved out of the cities. Many cites simply exist to contine existing. The dirty secret, better to create high speed trains that loop around cities.

@mckenzies6824

Жыл бұрын

Look at Europes infrastructure. Flights from state to state are like triple the price of going from one country to another. Crazy

This won't solve traffic. If you're going through the effort of all this tunneling, you might as well build a metro system for trains which can carry hundreds of people at a time and genuinely remove cars from the road.

@bradfordjhart

Жыл бұрын

Metros area good for high density to high density areas, like China. This is America, we have suburbs no one is going to walk 5 miles from a metro station to their house, when a car is direct door to door service

@OnBroGrave

Жыл бұрын

@@bradfordjhart even most low density burbs (not rural) could still be traversed by bike in 20 mins but in combination with mixed land uses and accessible commuter rail that estimate would improve. say if you were allowed to have a corner grocer 3 blocks away you might not need to drive to the big box every time, only when needed.

@jordanabendroth6458

Жыл бұрын

@@bradfordjhart you do realize MANY cities in the US used to have streetcars in the early 1900s right? A city near me with a population of 6000 people at the time had an electric streetcar open in 1915 and it ran every 15 minutes for like 18 hours a day until it was closed about 20 years later because the car became popular

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

@@bradfordjhart That is why integrated transport exists. A mix of metros, busses trams/street cars and regional rail andd high tax on consumer oil, will get people onto public transport. The fallacy that just because you have suberbs is a reason to not integrate public transport is why you have gridlocked hellish polluted hellscapes for local infrastructure.

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanabendroth6458 The USA were world leaders in high speed rail and streetcar networks until Rockerfellers Standard Oil bought them all and scrapped them. That is a crime against humanity in itself.

Behold, the king of vaporware! A useless single lane tunnel that transports fewer people per hour than existing infrastructure and costs more per mile! Genius! Revolutionary!

@Duder0n

Жыл бұрын

The Model 3 is the best vaporware I ever bought! Where else can I get vaporware this good?

@JJs_playground

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say he's the king of vaporware (Tesla, SpaceX). But the boring company was dumb idea from the beginning.

@RafeeqManalody

Жыл бұрын

why did i read this in Thunderf00ts voice😂

@RafeeqManalody

Жыл бұрын

@@Duder0n well, you can get solar roof for your house, maybe add a roadster to your car collection to go super fast on boring company tunnels. maybe a tesla truck too. while you’re at it you can implant a neuralink chip in your brain while your tesla robot makes you dinner. and in 2025 he’ll take you to mars! i swear all of this totally exist!

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

Actually, the Loop is more energy efficient per passenger mile than subways, is faster, safer and carries just as many passengers as similar sized underground metros yet costs a tiny fraction of a subway.

Improving public transportation is the only way to solve the traffic problem.

@robertagren9360

Жыл бұрын

violate the increase profit from gas

@miles5600

Жыл бұрын

@@robertagren9360 only gas companies benefit from that money, cities and towns are going bankrupt cause of all the infrastructure that needs to be maintained while they continue to spread out meaning they can’t become sustainable

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

The Loop is public transportation and carries similar numbers of people as a subway yet costs VASTLY less.

@miles5600

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 source? a subway that runs every 5 minutes and carries 50 people transports more than than a tesla where only 3 to 4 people can be seated.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@miles5600 Hi Miles, perhaps you haven’t looked closely at the footage of the Loop from SEMA or CES? What you’ll see is the Loop EVs are leaving each Loop station every 3 - 6 seconds. So in that same 5 minutes between trains, 50 - 100 EVs carrying on average 2.5 passengers would transport 125 - 250 passengers. So in this example, even with only 2.5 passengers per EV, the Loop EVs are transporting 5x the number of passengers as that train carrying 50 passengers. With 4 passengers per EV, you’re looking at 200 - 400 passengers compared to those 50 passengers on that train every 5 minutes. In addition, the headway between EVs in the main arterial tunnels of the 34 mile Vegas Loop will be 0.9 seconds (5 car lengths at 60mph) between each EV. This means that even with 3, 5 or 10 minutes between trains, 201, 335 or 670 EVs carrying up to 800, 1,340 or 2,680 people will have gone by compared to that one 50 or even 500-passenger train. Frequency matters and buses and trains are blown out of the water by how much more frequent Loop EVs are. And of course, if the Loop needed to boost capacity further, they could simply add higher capacity EV vans or buses on high-demand routes.

The solution is called…a subway or high speed trains… to move many people at the same time.

@mckymcobvious3043

Жыл бұрын

you could have several HUNDRED people with just ONE engine! imagine that!

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

If you put in a subway instead, everyone would have had to wait 3, 5, 10 minutes for the next train instead of 10 seconds. They would then have had to cram into the train with standing room only breathing the COVID of hundreds of strangers instead of having a whole comfy Tesla EV for yourself and friends/family. And once the 34 mile, 55 station Vegas Loop is completed, they’d have had to stop and wait at every single station on their route averaging g 17mph instead of zooming straight to the front door of their hotel averaging 60mph. And that metro would cost over $10 billion dollars instead of being built at zero cost to taxpayers like the 55 station, 34 mile Loop. Tell me again why a subway would be better?

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 subways are better because they exist. The boring company has only built a 2 mile commercial tunnel since it was created 7 years ago. This is called a scam.

@andrewfranklin4429

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurbdt2329 so the Las Vegas Convention Centre Loop that has been in operation for several years now successfully transporting up to 27,000 people per day (94,000 during the 4 days of CES 2023) does not actually exist but is rather a figment of everyone’s imagination?? And the recently finished Resorts World station and Loop tunnel to the newly constructed Riviera station didn’t just transport 10,000 people to and from the resort during CES but was actually simply a mass psychosis? Perhaps Arthur, it might be useful understanding how it can take a few years for a startup to develop and perfect its technology, roll it out to an initial installation, iron out the kinks, sign up 55 other hotels, casinos, resorts etc and start building a massive city-wide public transport system all while COVID rages across the world! :-) And lastly, realising that most rapid transit systems take an average of 5 years to as long as 15 years to complete, you would realise that this brand new PRT system is actually moving along very fast in the scheme of things. In contrast, if the LVCVA had paid a subway construction firm 30x - 70x as much to move a similar number of people daily then well, perhaps that could indeed be seen as a scam.

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 ok he built that amusement ride tunnel in vegas that transport you as fast as a cyclist. I’ll give you that. But building an actual tunnel system across a city ? Will never happen. TBC always failed to deliver on real projects, see the many hyperloop projects he promised to build.

Imagine the congestion these tunnels could create. No way am I getting stuck in traffic underground…

@tahliae

Жыл бұрын

Right?! Sounds like a nightmare straight out of a horror movie.

@patrick71994

Жыл бұрын

Except now you cannot run in the case of an emergency. I didn’t see any emergency exits.

@tahliae

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick71994 thanks for making it worse! 🤣

@karatsurba4791

Жыл бұрын

​@@patrick71994Guess, the exits used for cars could also be used for emergency exits.

@karatsurba4791

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAnonapersons There wouldn't be much since you're not actually driving. All vehicles move @ a constant speed.

Traffic problems have already been solved. We just don’t want to look at the solution other countries have successfully employed. Being taxied in a Tesla through an underground tunnel is inefficient and indeed boring.

@juanburgos9449

Жыл бұрын

True but he is analysing the goal propose by musk ,also how did texas resolved the traffic problem?

@tendy101100

Жыл бұрын

@@juanburgos9449 he never mentioned texas

@AngryDad.

Жыл бұрын

@@juanburgos9449 they ride horses

@AngryDad.

Жыл бұрын

@@tendy101100 shhhh

Build a high speed train god damn it!

@RumblesBettr

Жыл бұрын

Monorail monorail monorail!

@luchiayoung

Жыл бұрын

Move to the farm and do everything yourself, g d it.

@babitapandhare1889

Жыл бұрын

@@luchiayoung this is why you will stay poor

Induced demand is the equivalent to loosening belts to fix obesity.

At this point I think he’s just thinking of useless crazy sht and waiting to see who buys it. He’s so far removed from society it’s starting to get scary😂

It is easy: use the tunnels to build a metro/subway system. Done. They can run autonomous is you want on higher speeds. They don’t have a bumpy ride. They can run frequently. You don’t need to carry a lot of steel and plastic with you to use it. If it is faster and easier to walk to a subway station, go near your destination and walk the rest of it, people are gonna do it. There will be more room on the roads for people that are not near a station. And everyone will be happy.

I so glad you brought up the "Just one more lane will fix it" trope. As I see it there are two options, either 1) it will be expensive enough that only a few people can afford to use it, but it will keep flowing freely, or 2) traffic will very quickly adjust routes to the point that the wait time to get into the system are roughly equivalent to the traffic time on other streets.

From what I hear they are not ADA compliant either.

Most highways don’t have room for expansion lol… that’s why it’s getting more difficult to add extra lanes.

Elon watches too many Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon re-runs.

You do realise there are trains carrying not just cars but trucks through tunnels across the world already? It's called Ro-Ro Trains.

@andybrice2711

Жыл бұрын

That is quite a cumbersome solution though. It would be far simpler if the vehicles could form an autonomous convoy. But that technology is not well-developed yet, and The Boring Company doesn't appear to be making very good progress with it.

His idiotic tunnels are death traps in the way tiny Vegas loop is designed. No exhaust, fire suppression, emergency exit... hell, you can't even open the door of your tesla to run if it bursts into flame like they tend to do.

@thequake180

Жыл бұрын

the geniuses in Vegas never thought about that before approving his stupid idea.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@thequake180 they did think about it and they worked closely with the Clark County Fire Department on their safety procedures and equipment.

Elon Musk can't solve every problem in the world, I'm sure he thinks he can...but he is just a man with a lot of money, I'm not saying he is dumb, but I feel like his ego might be getting the best of him.

@asmodiusjones9563

Жыл бұрын

I don’t mind saying he’s dumb. He’s dumb. All he’s done in his life is get involved in existing successful companies, act like a bully until everyone else either leaves or gets kicked out, and then claim they were his companies all along.

@Robert-cu9bm

Жыл бұрын

@@asmodiusjones9563 He's an expert in inventing the invented.

@AngryDad.

Жыл бұрын

@@asmodiusjones9563 if he's dumb you're brain dead

@AngryDad.

Жыл бұрын

@@asmodiusjones9563 he has a 160 IQ

@asmodiusjones9563

Жыл бұрын

@@AngryDad. did his IQ of 160 tell him to buy twitter for $44 billion?

Imagine if these existing Boring tunnels had the capacity to...carry vehicles that contained multiple riders at once..and had fixed rails in leu of rubber tires...🤔🤔🤔

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

If you carry too many riders at once, there's an increase likelihood that that not all of them want to go to the same place. Instead of going point to point, you have to make multiple stops. And what If some riders want to go somewhere that's on a different fixed rail line. They'll have to watch for a station where they can get out and wait for a different that will take them farther along their journey. Once passengers see the advantages of going point to point without stopping or transfers, it will be hard to convince them that fixed-rail systems are the answer.

Americans love cars so much that they would build tunnels for cars rather than trains.

Seems pretty straightforward. It's like building highways underground.

Only self autonomous cars fully adopted can solve the congestion problem. Cars would negotiate intersections and merges more efficiently, handle fast lanes and slow lanes more efficiently, know how much to throttle the cars so they can manage the pipes and valves more efficiently.

Isn't there an acela running at 100mph between Baltimore and DC?

I completely forgot about this project

Valued at $5.7 billion😂

Musk stated that SpaceX's manned missions to Mars could begin as soon as 2022, which is a full three years sooner than his previous estimate of 2025.

Very well investigated whith many new detail that other channels do not say

You are just gonna spend billions building roads under ground, but now with the additional step of elevator-ing every car down into the tunnels

More than a few people confuse 600+ MPH pods in intercity Hyperloop vacuum tunnel w/30 - 40 MPH human-driven Tesla cars in Las Vegas Loop tunnel 😉

Doesn’t this cost way less than train system? Trains systems are super expensive.

@tunnellingsalisbury7605

Жыл бұрын

Yes..... It cost about as much as a 1.5 mile long, 12-foot diameter sewer or storm drain tunnel would. Which is what it is...., just with Teslas running in it instead of water and excrement. Well at least not water!

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@tunnellingsalisbury7605 So that explains why this could be a much more affordable mode of public transportation for smaller cites that will probably never spend the billions for a train system.

@tunnellingsalisbury7605

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 Not really. For example, Copenhagen metro 'Cityringen' is a circular line around the city center, twin 16km tunnels, 17 stations including 3 interchanges with existing lines. Very difficult ground conditions, lots of ancient and historic buildings adjacent to the project. All constructed for around US$3B. The system is designed to carry 330,000 passengers per day. The city itself only funded 50% of the cost with the rest coming from central government and other sources. From design commencement to completion it took around 12 years to construct, but these systems are complex. They are already building the next line and planning the line after that so the city must be happy with what it has provided. All driverless trains with a 90 second headway between trains and 12-minute journey time between the most remote stations (on the cityringen loop). Smaller cities tend to opt for surface tram systems as these are cheaper, and if integrated with the rest of public transport become a very efficient way to move people. I note that it takes 60+ Tesla's to move 24,000 or so people on a very busy day at LVCC between 3 stations. Scale that up to 17 stations and 330,000 people and you need several thousand vehicles. There is still the onboarding and offloading to resolve before full automation can be adopted, until then drivers for each vehicle will be required. Any which way you look at it this system does not scale well.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@tunnellingsalisbury7605 I don’t know how much the Las Vegas Loop will cost, because TBC isn’t charging to build it. I am dubious of the napkin math used to dismiss the Loop, because the math several KZreadrs used to “prove” the LVCC Loop wouldn’t work was based on faulty assumptions. I expect the 750 vehicles that TBC says will serve the LV Loop and its 50+ stations will be a mix of sedans and higher capacity vehicles. I expect that TBC has modeled the capacity based on information that’s not available to you or me. They have to be right if they want to make money.

@tunnellingsalisbury7605

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 I appreciate the Vegas loop will be cheap, but far less cheap than they have predicted to date. The material, plant and labour costs are fairly fixed, TBM excavation rates may be increased slightly, but they have shown no sign of that to date. even if they can achieve this it will come at a substantial plant cost for a maximum 15% saving on the overall cost. Surface stations, or ones that the casino's provide at their own cost will of course be a substantial saving. But these require land or space one way or the other which has to be given up or paid for. Stabling, service and maintenance facilities are also required (I assume at TBC's cost as the casino's will not be willing to pay for this). Someone has to buy this land and build the facility. TBC have yet to construct a sub-surface junction, which will be required for efficient circulation. Just having "nodes" at stations doesn't work, a simple system diagram will show this. I still question whether self-driving can manage the offloading/loading variables. It would be good for TBC to do a controlled trial run in the existing LVCC loop to prove the capability. I don't understand why this has not yet been demonstrated if they are capable of doing it. Surely this would silence many of the critics and boost potential investor confidence. Regarding making money, they have to compete with surface taxis, either by being cheaper or quicker from any point to any point. But I may be way off on all this. I will stick to the engineering aspects of the tunnelling, which I know something about, and so far they have completely failed to impress me one iota.

When you give a man child a microphone

Obviously their original idea was radically ambitious, and they have to start with simpler versions. But it's pretty damming that the Las Vegas vehicles are driven manually. Why are they unable to drive through a single-lane tunnel autonomously?

@spicesmuggler2452

8 ай бұрын

Because autonomous self driving is a hoax. Also just build rail, why have cars at all? Rail does not need expensive and dangerous batteries 😂

I don't like this presentation because this clueless presenter is still grasping at the idea that this is feasible, and like others have indicated: trains exist and are here now. Listen: but not everyone even needs to own their own train, it'll be like public use vehicles. Like a public form of transportation that serves all classes of people, not just the rich :D you could call it public transit

How about they link the Teslas together to increase capacity. Actually, why not just use a longer vehicle, and maybe a little taller so that little can walk into it, and how about you put it on rails to increase efficiency. Maybe something like that could work.

His time would be better spent working on teleportation.

Is it just me or this dude completely ignored the fact that this was built as a concept for a Hyperloop?

This one is another mistake by Elon, at first it caused hype in the media, everbody talked about this but as we can see now, this new "innovative" way to reduce the traffic, doesn't work at all

I thought this was a dumb idea the first time I heard it. It will be used by only the rich.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

As it’s being implemented, it will be used by people who can afford an Uber. The LVCC Loop is free for people attending conventions. The tunnel to Resorts World costs a couple of bucks to ride.

Fan boys are the best audience

Elon bought the tunnel digging machine, but they are working now on making a new digging machine from skratch, hopefully that can change the tunnel making industry

@davidsalisbury50

Жыл бұрын

They bought two second hand LOVAT machines at first. Then ‘designed’ their own copy if that LOVAT Machine and had it built in China, then had a new cutter head added to that machine (because the first one was rubbish). They have used either 30 years old technology or have miss matched other technology in a stupid way (continuous conveyors in a small diameter, short distance tunnel round a tight corner). It screams of engineering incompetence to me. But they did get some mugs to invest $600M for 11% of the company. So in terms of a viable Ponzi scheme they are a great success.

@Repz98

Жыл бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50 Source for their "copy" design

@tunnellingsalisbury7605

Жыл бұрын

@@Repz98 Admittedly I have no direct source of the design details, and TBC are being highly secretive of their Prufrock machine. However, I do know my way around TBM's and have reviewed any video footage and photographs of the Prufrock TBM, as well as reviewing its performance in what are very favorable ground conditions. It seems self-evident to me that this is a fairly standard EPB (Earth Pressure Balance) TBM. I believe it was made in China (Industry rumour admittedly but the sources are pretty reliable) and nobody has refuted that with any evidence I have been made aware of. I'm perfectly willing to be corrected on this. Their earlier claims about greatly increasing power (pointless and impractical due to the physical constraints of the tunnel size) and excavation rates (not the main cost driver in tunnel construction), are similarly not borne out by the machines performance. What they do seem to have experimented with is two fairly bad ideas to increase spoil removal, at least they are bad for the size and radius of tunnels they are planning: 1. Using an oversize EPB screw conveyor; This in itself is not a problem, but it takes up additional space and it leaves the EPB aspect of its performance prone to "blow out" face pressure losses when working below the water table. Hence its use would be very limited (possibly a benefit in Vegas, but I doubt it even there). 2. Using a continuous conveyor; Again, this may seem an advantage in theory, but continuous conveyors only become economical as tunnels get longer, they are not suited to short tunnels such as those completed to date by TBC (possibly a view to the future). Also, they are not well suited to going round tight corners (

@arthurbdt2329

Жыл бұрын

They’re not working on anything it’s not a real company

Why don't you just say that it is a stupid stupid stupid idea?

Will Dogecoin be the currency on Mars? It would be possible to make a cryptocurrency the official coin of Mars, but it is not likely that Elon Musk will choose Dogecoin as that currency. There are several reasons why another currency would be more suited to the task.

Just more vaporware from Musk.

This is a terrible idea with massive issues born from a tweet... how does anyone take this guy serious?

The only thing about this guy is that he has money to waste in creating solutions without the opinion of others. That's why Twitter didn't worked out... You can go to a place thinking that you have all the answers, but reality will show you otherwise.

Looks like inefficient claustrophobic death traps.

Have you see his "prototype" Hyperloop in las vegas? It's a bad joke.

#tesla is gonna #dig #holes in #india.... and never #fill them or #build anything

Typically change is tough. Proactive change change is expensive but not as expensive as reactive change. Musk has been very proactive with his companies starting with Tesla when gas prices were low and no tax credits. Sadly, Usa takes the reactive route most the time. Congestion must be grid locked before something really done. Cars are becoming very expensive maybe less on the road secondary to costs?

Solution: subway. Northamericans: go away communist. Me: enjoy traffic. 😂

there's a problem (many, actually). If you allow any private vehicles at all, it becomes just like any lane on any road, and is subject to induced demand. If it is even slightly faster than a surface street, more private vehicles will use it, up to the point where the tunnels back up and it is just another lane of cars stuck in traffic. You could solve this problem by only letting a certain number of vehicles in, so that traffic flows at a faster speed. But this will lead to wait times at the entrances, just like people have to wait for a metro train to arrive. And if you only allow boring company vehicles, the ride will become significantly faster than driving, and so everybody will want to use it. But because the loop is so low-capacity (~2000 pphd), there will be long queues to board at the stations... just like a metro station. Just build a metro. Even a dedicated bus lane would be better.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

In Las Vegas they're going with this. Fortunately, this has the potential to be MUCH higher capacity than you suggest, and the queues will likely not be an issue. At CES, which should be the most intense real-world test, the LVCC Loop had average wait times under 10 seconds. If I were another city considering asking my citizens to pay for a metro, I would wait a couple of years (the metro would take a long time to build anyway) and see how this works out for Vegas. The Loop could end up saving my city billions versus a metro, and its flexibility could allow it to serve areas that a metro couldn't handle. Certainly not a brand new metro that would likely only be a couple of lines. Maybe I'd do a dedicated bus lane in the meantime.

@silver_bowling

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbailey8827 I don't see how you mean high capacity. A single tunnel can handle maybe a car every 1.5 seconds. At 4 passengers per car, that's 9.6k passengers per hour per direction (pphd). Even a small metro like in copenhagen can handle 18k pphd, with larger metros doing well over 60k. For a lower cost system, with lower demand, this system makes more sense; per passenger transported, it costs about the same as a typical metro. Smaller capacity=smaller price. With modifications I could see it having some niche applications in small cities where transit is a priority. However, a dedicated bus lane on the surface makes so much more sense. Redoing the roadway and adding some paint and nicer stops will only cost a couple million, and can carry a lot more people than a tesla tunnel ever could (possibly 15k-20k pphd, if frequencies are high enough)

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@silver_bowling Because the Loop is basically a PRT system, the pphd metric is not a good comparison. They measure performance in passenger trips completed per hour, and have predicted up to 57,000 trips per hour in the completed Las Vegas Loop. I expect that those numbers won't be typical, but when a game or show is finished, at the stadium, they'll need to move a lot of people quickly, and I doubt they'll rely solely on 4-passenger cars. I picture passengers sorted into different queues for different hotels and remote lots, and a stream of small electric buses loading up and immediately heading off into the tunnels to take the passengers non-stop to their destination. A train could do the same job, but it would keep many of those passengers in their seats longer than necessary as it stops at hotel after hotel. It would be quite a while before that train could get back to pick up more passengers, while the loop buses would immediately return for more after dropping each group at their shared destination. I don't know if a loop would fit all cities, but I'm reasonably sure that it will fit Las Vegas, because the Boring Company will do what they need to do to make it a success. Once it's in place, citiy representatives will be able to come and see how it works. They'll also get realistic information about construction costs, maintenance costs, operating costs, and passenger satisfaction. They'll be able to decide whether the concept can be adapted to their needs.

@silver_bowling

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinbailey8827 Their way of counting passenger capacity is a bit weird, because it depends on the size of the system and not the capacity per mile of infrastructure. The number does measure something, but it's not a number that can be directly compared to any other system, and so can be misleading (although you did interpret it correctly, most people take it the wrong way). I'd much prefer if the system used buses for the entirety, and it'd actually be pretty good if they could get that working. That said, they don't appear to be developing any sort of bus, and why would they? They aren't going to pour tens of millions in R&D for a small system that only needs a few hundred of them. The loop isn't as bad as most transit enthusiasts pretend that it is. If converted to higher capacity vehicles, it could become a pretty good system; at that point it'd be a luxury BRT system, which exist all over the world. It's just that as-is, it sucks, and there aren't any concrete plans to do any further expansion.

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

@@silver_bowling I think a pure BRT would remove some of the advantages of the Loop without adding any real efficiency. If you have 15 people at Resorts World waiting to go to the Convention Center, and two going to the Westgate, do you put them all on a 20-passenger bus to make two stops? The second leg of the trip would have two passengers on the bus. Or do you just have the buses running routes all the time? Then the bus goes to Westgate and on to the next stops whether or not there are any passengers who want to go there. During slow times, the buses would go round and round mostly empty. To save resources, you'd probably run them less often. The passengers won't mind waiting five or ten minutes longer, since it's for the greater good. With the Loop's PRT, the vehicles just go where they are needed. An empty vehicle might travel to a station where it's needed or is likely to be needed, but it won't keep roaming. During slow times, some of the vehicles would navigate out of the system for routine maintenance. Others would park themselves in standby mode at the stations. Passengers arriving in those stations would find a vehicle ready to leave in an instant, rather than waiting for the next bus. Whether Tesla is working on a bus is an open question. They're scheduled to make some announcements on March 1. The "smart" money says they're announcing a smaller vehicle for $25K. I'm holding out hope that there will be a followup to something Elon Musk said almost a year ago: "There's going to be a dedicated robotaxi that's going to look quite futuristic." Shortly after that he said they planned to have this robotaxi in mass production by 2024. There's a bit of a chicken-egg situation here. It costs a lot to develop a new vehicle, and until FSD is ready, there's not a mass market for a vehicle that doesn't have a steering wheel. Boring Company tunnels are an ideal place to use robotaxis, but local authorities in Las Vegas aren't ready to sign off on autonomous vehicle yet. Maybe we'll find out more this week. I don't know how to reconcile the different ways of measuring capacity.

Here is an easier solution to solve traffic problems: Trains!

What's the best way to take cars off roads you might ask? Trains! Oh and only idiot would think building tunnels are easy.

Is this an attempt to pump up tesla stock? Bad job down to 50 per share

A metro can be built but hey who wants a pragmatic solution?

He selling cars

Everyone here is talking about trains. If yall want to sit in a tube that smells like piss that's cool but I'd rather travel by myself

@severinschmid4808

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Have you been on trains in europe? Not every train is the new york subway in the seventies

So any single car accident shuts the whole system down.

@kevinbailey8827

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Until they clear the accident the tunnel where the accident occurred will not let other traffic through. So they would clear it as quickly as possible. In a larger system, there may be alternate routes, so traffic could keep moving in spite of the accident. There haven't been any accidents so far that stopped traffic in the LVCC loop.

The whole concept of the Boring Company is flawed, and it's upsetting to see a WSJ journalist miss this point

I have a solution! I call it the Train!

Okay why not take a train? He was better off innovating trains and it’s infrastructure.

Musk may be rich, but that only makes him the richest idiot I know about.

This was so stupid of an idea

The problem is still the same, while human will drive car, there will be still trafik problem with this new system, i hope people will undestand this

@kevinbailey8827

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The cars will drive themselves autonomously at some point, probably before the full tunnel network in Las Vegas is complete. The humans are all employees of TBC, and they are trained to follow certain rules to make traffic flow smoothly. It's not the same as a system where random drivers with different driving styles compete for position.

They could just build a subway and put an underground train in it.

@kevinbailey8827

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For a lot more money, that they'd never get back in operating or maintenance savings. Plus trains come with all the disadvantages of trains,.

Elon didn't solve traffic in 5 years! Wow

This is lazy journalism that doesn’t understand the issues. The Las Vegas convention centre loop is just a manually operated people mover. Where is the high capacity vehicle Telsa promised? They have built a second short tunnel in Las Vegas. Congestion on freeways is a problem because of low vehicle occupancy. It’s congested with cars, not people. Safety is a major problem. What happens if there’s a fire in one of those tunnels? Etc. Etc.

@nicholashylton6857

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The report is slightly optimistic but the ending is essentially, "Key issues have not been resolved, so don't hold your breath."

@kevinbailey8827

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The LVCC loop is manually operated for now. It has the capacity it needs. EVERYONE at CES who came for a ride got a ride, with an average wait time under ten seconds. There wasn't a need for more capacity so any suggestion that a train would be better (even at four times the cost) because of more capacity is missing the point. Any extra capacity that a train has would go to waste. At the LVCC Loop, the cars are fully occupied when the system is busy. If you're traveling single, they'll seat you in a car with other passengers. During slower times, when seating you with other passengers would mean making you wait, they'll send you on your way as the sole passenger. But those are times when congestion isn't likely. With average trip times of under 2 minutes and the under 10 second average wait time, it doesn't seem as though congestion is a problem at the LVCC. They worked out their safety systems and procedure with the help of the Clark County Fire Department (which would be responding to actual emergencies). I don't think there have been any actual emergencies yet, but they practice the procedure in drills.

@nicholashylton6857

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@@kevinbailey8827 The Vegas Loop is cheaper, but apparently in a penny-wise but pound-foolish sort of way. Granted, all large cities differ in their needs, however the point of modern mass transit systems is to bring people into the city without their cars. As has been said a thousand times before, the loop appears to be an underground shuttle/taxi service and not a 21st century solution to urban traffic woes.

@kevinbailey8827

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@@nicholashylton6857 As it's currently implemented, the loop takes people, but not their cars. It absolutely is an underground shuttle/taxi service, but being underground makes it far more efficient and effective than shuttles and taxis that deal with surface traffic. I'm already bullish on the prospects of TBC Loop systems, especially since the LVCC Loop has performed so well. But I'd caution any city considering a Loop to wait until the Las Vegas Loop is complete and operating. Simple applications, that are similar to the LVCC Loop can go ahead based on the LVCC Loop's success. Fort Lauderdale wants a shuttle to a beach, to reduce the number of people bringing cars to that beach. That seems perfect for a small Loop. Once the Las Vegas Loop is operating, cities looking for transit solutions can get a better idea how a complicated loop system works, and also how well it works and how much it costs to build, operate, and maintain. If the LV Loop doesn't work well, obviously it won't be a 21st Century solution to traffic woes, but if it does work well, then cities will be able to make informed decisions about whether it can be adapted to their needs.

It was a dumb idea from the beginning. I really don't understand why Elon was wasting his time and resources on this.

I feel more confused and less informed after having watched this program.

Not going to happen

Yes, or a train.

Is this journalism or publicity paid by Tesla or Elon Musk. Not sure what your channel is about but how about talking more about the bigger picture cause this idea can’t be taken seriously looking at it’s current execution.

Ohh FFS build some trains…

your mocking clearly states your bias and we know why

The biggest con man of the century. Elon musk.

Totally misses the points of cost reduction and faster dig speed they’re working on

@mwl5

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You're missing the point that even theoretical advances they are supposedly trying to make still won't make this a good thing. It's dog shit.

@evanmoyle

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@@mwl5 so hypothetically if we could 1000x reduce the cost per mile and 10x the speed per mile it wouldn’t be useful to humanity?

@mwl5

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@@evanmoyle but they aren't going to reach that goal ever and doesn't address baked in issues with the concept, so that question is dead on arrival. It's a flawed system to begin with and there are other options that would be much more effective and cheaper, like good public transit. There's a lot that can be pointed out about this system's faults, but I recommend searching "donoteat01 Elon musk's loop" on KZread for some good points presented humorously. I get the appeal and thought process, but the reality is that the idea does not work and it is a driving reason why the company has been a failure, among other reasons.

@mwl5

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@@evanmoyle kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpiimLyPoK2yqNY.html is the link. It's really worth a watch and points out significant issues with this system.

@dickgrayson4237

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@@evanmoyle Do you have a source for these assumptions?

A boring video. Thanks for this click bait video without any content at all. Criticising without any concrete suggestions is toxic.

Just another subway for cars?

@kevinbailey8827

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Yes, but with features and advantages that make it a much better fit in many situations than other subways for cars. Not to mention a better fit in many situations than a subway for trains.

Is this guy British or American? his accent is somewhere in between the two and I can't place which one it is.

@Robert-cu9bm

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You need a hypertunnel between them.

@jujijiju6929

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@@Robert-cu9bm Lmao

@redx11x

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It's pure British, not an ounce of American.

@GeorgeDownsWSJ

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Correct!

@AngryDad.

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@@GeorgeDownsWSJ you're clearly from Texas stop the lies!

@adamsomething