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It is remarcable to hear how Furtwängler finds those Tempi differences and manages to bring them to such a perfection, as it were our "Lieber Franzl" himself giving Furtwängler the musical intuirion to perform his Masterwork to such a marvel of interpretation !

Потрясающее исполнение. Я как будто погрузился в сказку. И удивляет само качество записи для того времени. Это очень непохоже на винил ремастеринг. Похоже это одна из первых записей на магнитную ленту сделанную на немецкие AEG. Похоже что запись моно , но инструменты и сцена различаются при этом. Само качество очень высокое, вся энергетика передаётся. Большое вам спасибо. Хоть конечно многие из записей Фуртвенглера, заставляют хвататься за MG-42, но что ж, это срез эпохи. Не думаю что он этого хотел. Просто он так дирижировал. Но это по любому лучше, чем пресный Караян.

The Maestro shows once again that he is supreme at tonal balance and tempo.

If this doesn't make you feel grateful for being alive, nothing will.

@Gosch18011995

9 жыл бұрын

This is right

Even such an old-fashioned recording can show Fultwaengler’s genius in music. He was a true maestro🥰

This wartime performance indescribably brilliant. No words can suffice. Just listen and be blown away!

For its recording year, more than 70 years ago, the sound of this performance is so clear and beautiful.

@RawData

7 жыл бұрын

Germans invented tape-recording and get advanced at this in the early 40s. Fortunately!

@GBADCD

3 жыл бұрын

National Socialist Technology

@Tangotaenzer-1

3 жыл бұрын

@@GBADCD ...and all generations afterwards of this technology got infected.

@goldenlight2277

3 жыл бұрын

indeed that is my point too

@paga123

Жыл бұрын

Furtwangler was not a technology progress man oriented, but he has been very well recorded in the 40's and 50's (better than Toscanini for exemple)

Maravillosa interpretación, Wilhelm Furtwängler, el mejor Director de todos los tiempos

Ich kannte nur seine Einspielung von Anfang der 50er Jahre. Ich glaube aber diese Aufführung gefällt mir noch besser!

@Adlerjunges83

2 ай бұрын

Das kann ich gut verstehen. Ich finde diese auch besonders toll. Prof Joachim Kaiser (Musikkritiker) hat in einer Folge seiner Serie auch besonders bestimmte Aufnahmen (besonders aus Kriegsjahren) empfohlen. Daher habe ich gezielt nach allen Furtwängler-Aufnahmen gesucht.

Despite all the great Beethoven symphonies this is perhaps the greatest symphony ever written! What harmonies richness of ideas! Schubert, Furtwängler and BPO live forever in this recording!

@gerritmvisser

9 жыл бұрын

+MusikPiratCH Yes! I fully agree!

@dennismiddlebrooks7027

8 жыл бұрын

+MusikPiratCH One of the greatest. I would go with Mozart's Jupiter Symphony as the greatest. Glorious perfection from the first note to the last.

@MusikPiratCH

8 жыл бұрын

Dennis Middlebrooks For me W.A. Mozart was the greatest composer ever! But his symphonies (even his last) were "too light" for me ... The richness of harmonies and musical ideas I hear in Schubert's (last) two symphonies (unfinished and the great C Major) I don't hear even in Mozart's Jupiter! ;)

@photo161

4 жыл бұрын

As Shakespeare's character said, "...comparisons are odorous..." But I know what you mean in asserting this to be the greatest symphony ever. It astonishing on every listening...!

@debwagner7505

3 жыл бұрын

MusikPiratCH Schubert went toe to toe with Beethoven and surpassed him in several works in more (and arguably higher quality) opinions than mine. E.g., compare the Septet to the Octet, this symphony to your favorite of Beethoven's and the "Death and the Maiden" quartet to the C-sharp minor (or your favorite other one).

The sound on this immortal performance is remarkably clear!

What is so remarkable is that whatever orchestra he worked with -- including La Scala! -- he produced music that could only have come from him.

Furtwangler's Schubert 9 is still the Gold Standard for this symphony. It's hard to imagine this performance being recorded in Germany during WWII. The quality of the recording is remarkable for the era.

@karlhpfeiffer

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Andrews Ihre Meinung teile ich nicht.Heute spielt man diese Musik nicht mehr so. Karl Pfeiffer Wien

@MusikPiratCH

9 жыл бұрын

Karl Pfeiffer Tja, da kann ich nur sagen "leider"! Thomas Andrews hat aber recht! So gehört diese Sinfonie gespielt - nicht so lahm (und allen Extremen entsagend) wie die meisten heutigen Dirigenten! *schauder*

@karlhpfeiffer

9 жыл бұрын

MusikPiratCH auch Ihre Ansicht teile ich nicht.Kaum ein Komponist ist so verkannt wie Sch. Furtwänglers Tempi und Rückungen sind gegen alles wienerische. Geschmäcker sind eben verschieden. Franzosen und Italiener spielen Schubert (und Bruckner) ohne Wissen. Notenspielen können viele. Nix für ungut!

@MusikPiratCH

9 жыл бұрын

Karl Pfeiffer Naja, Franz Schubert können wir leider nicht mehr fragen, was er von dieser Einspielung hält. Über das "wienerische" bin ich mir auch nicht so sicher. Hat sich doch Schubert selbst bei den Sinfonien immer im Schatten von van Beethoven gesehen, obwohl er mindestens mit der 8. (Unvollendeten) und dieser 9. weit darüber hinaus getreten ist. Immerhin stehen Sie mit ihrer Meinung ziemlich alleine da. Aber wie Sie schreiben ist das auch Geschmacksache. Für mich besteht Schubert v.a. in unübertroffen reicher Harmonik wie Ideen und dies trifft diese hervorragende Aufnahme sehr gut. Auch entdecke ich bei mehrfachem Hören immer wieder Neues. Für mich ebenfalls ein Zeichen hoher Qualität.

@karlhpfeiffer

9 жыл бұрын

MusikPiratCH Schubert brauchen wir garnicht zu fragen. Alles steht in der Partitur.Hätte er diese Temporückungen gewollt, er hätte sie geschrieben.Er war ja auch sonst recht genau. Ob meine Meinung eine Einzelbetrachtung ist bezweifle ich sehr.Lesen Sie nur was Furwängler selber schreibt.Vor allem über Kritiker.

only one microphone. pure sound. from 1942. multi micros recordings are destroying your brain . with love from vienna austria

@parkgoldberg9463

8 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with your opinion. How deep is his interpretation! And also with heavy, thick sound. My great pleasure to enjoy this. From Korea with Love...

@elsdeff6770

5 жыл бұрын

About microphone placement, you might find this interesting. www.pristineclassical.com/products/pasc253

@IsomerSoma

4 жыл бұрын

None-sense.

@canaltunan8620

4 жыл бұрын

maybe change your headphones for deeper feelings

Unbelievable genius

Massive structure, tremendous power, and, alas! a crumbling world.

Einfach fabelhaft!

the structure of the works is much better understood with Furtwängler's tempo variations. Many musical treatises of the 19th century said that in passionate parts you should speed up

dieser kleine mann war nie der spielmann vom himmelpfordgrund, für die ihn die romantik halten mochte. schon in seinen frühen kompositionen kam eine reife, eine ernsthaftigkeit zum ausdruck, die nur noch von beethovens souveränität übertroffen wurde. ich glaube, um mir brahm´s worten zu sprechen, er war jeden morgen über sich selbst erschrocken! der größte komponist östereichs und einer der größten der welt. die hüte in den staub meine herren, ein genie!

Yo escucho mucha fuerza de "anima ", lo que significa palabra latina.

Bien plus que celle de beethoven cette symphonie est une véritable ode à la joie. C est ce que pensait à juste titre T W Adorno. Le champ s ouvre à l infini devant le wanderer qui découvre toutes les merveilles.

@edmundcampion9888

2 жыл бұрын

Learn French.

@jean-christopheMiquel-ef3ur

2 жыл бұрын

@@edmundcampion9888Where is a problem ? It's very good french, indeed.

@paga123

Жыл бұрын

Oui cette symphonie est unique, très différente des autres de Schubert, de Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann....peut être anticipe t elle un peu celles de Brukner mais en plus inspirée ; dommage que Schubert soit mort si jeune !

Furtwangler era un gigante.

Perfect!

It so magic, beautiful.... the greatest

Größter Dirigent aller Zeiten.

@newcjon

5 жыл бұрын

Ich bin voellig einverstanden.

@1947August

5 жыл бұрын

Finde ich nicht. Wenn er kein Opportunist gewesen wäre: vielleicht!

@222mozart

5 жыл бұрын

6th Dec 1942 : more than 800.000 soviet soldiers were already killed in the battle of Stalingrad, 300.000 will follow, about 200.000 german got already their punishment, 100.000 will follow. The daily ration of the german soldiers was 100 grams of bread, some days later 60 grams. ...such a great gift for the civilized mankind...

@wlrlel

4 жыл бұрын

@@1947August Das hat damit nichts zu tun.

@1947August

4 жыл бұрын

@@wlrlel Ein bedeutender Künstler erschöpft sich nicht darin, dass er allein auf seinem Gebiet Hervorragendes vollbringt. Deine Haltung ist reichlich antiquiert und hätten auch die Nazis unterschrieben.

第一楽章のコーダ、副旋律が強すぎて変に聞こえてしまう演奏がよくあるんだけどこの演奏は主題が轟きわたり最高。

If you cut the lives of all great composers at the age of 31 and look what they had accomplished up to that moment not even Bach can stand beside Schubert! The only other is Mozart. (... he was 32 when he wrote the Jupiter-symphony).

@alleespach

3 жыл бұрын

And Shostakovich. If he had died at 31, he would still have left us the first 4 symphonies, and the opera The Nose, among other things.

@plekkchand

2 жыл бұрын

What a very strange way of looking at it.

Berlin, 06. Dezember 1942 / Philharmonie, Bernburger Straße / Die Berliner Philharmoniker spielen unter der Leitung von Wilhelm F u r t w ä n g l e r : Heinz Schubert : Hymnisches Konzert für Orgel, Orchester mit Sopran - und Tenorsolo / zum 1. Mal / W. A. Mozart : Arie " No,no, che non sei capace " , KV 419 / Franz S c h u b e r t : Symphonie Nr. 9 in C-Dur / Solisten: Erna Berger ( Sopran ) - Walther Ludwig ( Tenor ) - Fritz Heitmann ( Orgel ) //

@norbertflorianschuck9300

3 жыл бұрын

So there were two great composers named Schubert played in one concert. Here is the Heinz Schubert recording: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYua0bSdn66Tnps.html

Mind-blowing power from the Berlin Philharmoniker. What an orchestra. What a conductor. Listening to these wartime recordings under Furtwängler you really realize how Karajan ruined this orchestra. Also, comparing both of Furtwängler's recordings, 1942 Berlin has got 1953 Vienna beat on this piece -- though even the 1953 under his baton knocks the pants of any later interpretation I've heard. But this 1942 is simply spellbinding.

@debwagner7505

3 жыл бұрын

ExVeritateLibertas Furtwangler used to refer to K as "Coca Cola." Uniform, sweet, unobjectionable and devoid of character.

@shantihealer

3 жыл бұрын

The 'temperature' of this performance in terms of intensity, passion & excitement added to the quality of improvisation make it unbeatable, I reckon, in the whole history of symphonic recordings.

@bert-hassokemnitz8580

3 жыл бұрын

Ex libertate veritas ! - The author writes pure rubish about herbert von Karajan

@robinmiller9865

2 жыл бұрын

Debatable of course!

I direttori di oggi leggono Furtwangler interpreta.

@turidemarcodeeustachijs3926

5 жыл бұрын

...Sapessero leggere.... Ma vedete come dirigono, sentite cosa esce da quei gesti inutilmente omologati....la globalizzazione della musica. Che pena!

さすかDRG。 1942のライブ録音とは、 思えない状態のよさ。

furtwangler 凄いカラヤンより心を静めるコンダクターです私にとって

Versión qué ahora es histórica para apreciar cómo dirigían en esos años, después de la guerra.

00:01 - 13:36 - 30:03 - 39:35

The special one.

Swooning portamenti from 38:57 to end of scherzo, wow

Il n'y a rien de militaire dans cette musique. Ma gré un desespoir infini dont nul ne peut sonder la profondeur Schubert célèbre la splendeur du monde et rend grâce au Créateur. Schubert le laisse pour compte marché au milieu des étoiles

Excuse me, I want to know the source of this recording. It is from tahra's cd or other brands? Thank you!

@livschakoff

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry to tell you I don't know.

Defy description..

フランツ･シューベルト 交響曲第９番｢グレード｣ ベルリン・フィル・ハーモニー交響楽団演奏賛辞 ヴィルヘルム・フルトヴェングラー 指揮 大 賛 辞 1942

6th Dec 1942 : more than 800.000 soviet soldiers were already killed in the battle of Stalingrad, 300.000 will follow, about 200.000 german got already their punishment, 100.000 will follow. The daily ration of the german soldiers was 100 grams of bread, some days later 60 grams. ...such a great gift was this performance for the civilized mankind...

To those who call this interpretation "brucknerian" or "militaristic": What would you call Bernstein's New York recording? That is the only other recording I have heard that comes close to this. The sound in this particular release is quite mediocre; the DG remastering has much better sound.

@alexlewalle501

6 жыл бұрын

Edmund Brekke He did much better with concertgebouw in DG

Ganz besonders finde ich auch Beethovens 7te.

Ich vergleiche Schubert sehr gern mit die Beatles. Immer frisch, originell, musikalisch und so einfach.

フランツシューベルト 交響曲第９番 ヴィーンフィルハーモニー交響楽団 演奏 賛 辞 ヴィルヘルム･フルトベングラー 指 揮 大 賛 辞(1942録音)

this is gods Music......schubert was not an Atheist.......no great Music was ever composed by an Atheist.......Facts and love from vienna austria

@franklincox8606

4 жыл бұрын

I assume you mean by "atheist" a Protestant if you are Catholic, or a Catholic if you are Protestant, or a Calvinist if you are a Lutheran, and so forth? Do you include agnostics in the charge of atheism? Do you accuse all the great scientists who have been accused of atheism--even the Christian ones? You are not offering fast, but rather lies and malice. Please don't attribute your malice and dishonest to Vienna.

@dienichtganzanonymeananas

Жыл бұрын

„Facts“… would you also say Furtwängler was such a great conductor, cause he was german and served under the nazis? Oh and just fyi: Brahms, Prokofiev, Debussy, Bernstein and even Schubert himself are said to have been an atheists.

학살자를 위한 연주~

Dies ist nicht MEIN Schubert. Jeder hört diese Musik in seiner Zeit. Hier höre ich zu viel Bruckner.Das hat Schubert sicher nicht gemeint. Die Temporückungen sind extrem störend. Hier kann ich mich der Meinung der Poster nicht anschliessen.

@abbevogler7712

6 жыл бұрын

Karl Pfeiffer Ich kann dich verstehen. Das ist halt alles "sehr deutsch" bei Furtwängler, ein sehr deutscher Schubert. Man sollte ihn vielleicht "etwas österreichischer" spielen bzw. dirigieren.

@abbevogler7712

5 жыл бұрын

Und dann fällt mir im Nachhinein noch was auf. Gegen Schluss wird das - individuelle - Tempo doch zu schnell. Man hat das Gefühl er will fertig machen, es kommt der nächste Fliegerangriff.

@holterpolter4756

4 жыл бұрын

@@abbevogler7712 So einen Schwachsinn habe ich noch selten gelesen! "sehr deutsch" .."österreichischer" ....bla, bla, bla. Und dann noch Ihr Quatsch mit dem Fliegerangriff! Über die Temposchwankungen kann man sich streiten, aber nicht auf dem Niveau.

@gerhardtpolzenhagen9196

2 жыл бұрын

@@holterpolter4756 Großartig!!!

@froehlicherelter

Жыл бұрын

@@holterpolter4756 Apropo Temposchwankungen: Furtwängler ist ein Dirigent mit viel Mut gewesen, er hat diese Große Symphonie von Schubert enorm befruchtet und Tempi gewählt die darüber hinaus der Partiturangaben gingen und damit hat er sich unsterblich gemacht ! Bravo !!

Sorry, but I'm NOT a Furtwangler-worshipper! This is a RAGGED rendition, utterly lacking in Schubertian subtlety and sensitivity as the first movement dashed along, despite a not-bad opening. Simply not good enough, OK? I couldn't even make it through to the end of the first and I certainly wasn't going to risk hearing him FURTMANGLE those powerful and beautiful contrapuntal chords in the fourth as they call for exquisite timing. Henceforth he is FURTMANGLER to me.

@yosse2403

3 жыл бұрын

dave d, looks like you are a great expert, what i doubt and your opinion, nobody cares !!

@gerhardtpolzenhagen9196

9 ай бұрын

Wie kann man es nur schaffen, solch einen haarsträubenden Unsinn von sich zu geben??? Experte??? Das Gegenteil davon!!!

The wrong side won the war

Stirring stuff, if you like your Schubert in the militaristic style. The all-Aryan audience clearly loved it. For me, Fürtwangler's association with the Nazi-era Berlin Phil, or the Reichsorchester, to give it its official title at the time, will always be problematic.

@PLTConductorComposer

7 жыл бұрын

I'd suggest you read up on it - at worst, he did dodgy deals in order to survive and save his Jewish musicians. I am personally of the opinion that he did all he reasonably could to subvert the Nazis before and during the war. As he said himself, "Sometimes it is braver to stay at your post than to flee."

@robertfraser4994

7 жыл бұрын

What would you have Wilhelm do? Kill himself, starve himself because of a new set of politicians in town? He was a great musician and apolitical.

@jayblang1

7 жыл бұрын

Robert Fraser a

@newcjon

5 жыл бұрын

It was a dictatorship. People just do what they can to survive.

@markmanning2545

5 жыл бұрын

Any audience would appreciate this.