"at the end of the day, you are the one who has to live with yourself and the things you've done" Truer words could not have been said better.

@ammoiscurrency5706

2 жыл бұрын

@Mackenzie Bauroth just because the justification can be understood that doesn't make it ok. Often it only takes one person to stand up for others to stand with them. What you live for can be overshadowed by what you die for.

@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384

2 жыл бұрын

@Mackenzie Bauroth Looks like the demoralization is going perfectly.

@ambatuBUHSURK

6 ай бұрын

​@@mackenziebauroth4989war criminals also think only their group should survive. Survival isn't always a mn excuse or defense for your lack of morality and empathy.

Everybody like to think they would hero disobeying unjust orders saving many lives, but the reality is most people don’t. That is why free speech and accountability for the people in power is so important.

@thirdplanet4471

2 жыл бұрын

A hero to one is a villain to another

@SubduedRadical

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. It's easy to say in the comfort of your home sitting at your computer how heroic you'd be. Very different when faced with the choice itself with all eyes on you and the consequences being literally life and death...

@isaacbaxter253

2 жыл бұрын

If you were in nazi Germany, you'd probably be a nazi. If you were a skilled alchemist in Amestris during the Ishvalan extremination campaign, you were probably one of the state alchemists doing the slaughter. You either follow orders, maybe hope to get a promotion, maybe if you're lucky change something about the government, or you refuse, get killed by someone else, have unknown consequences on your family, and still not save the person you refuse to kill because there's always another soldier in line.

@edouglasroche

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have always wondered if I grew up in Nazi German would I be a Nazi. Have a hard time picturing myself risking my life and probably my families life to save nazi victims. But I have also never been one to blindly follow others. Think I would be one to flee Germany before things got out of hand or if I failed to do that keep my head down. If USA goes dangerously far communist i plan to flee here.

@SubduedRadical

2 жыл бұрын

@@edouglasroche I kind of agree. I've thought about it before in different contexts. For example, "If I was born in the Middle-East, would I be a Christian or would I be a Muslim?" and so on. A lot of people - a LOT of people - just try to keep their heads down. You can see it this last year. While some people have been outspoken about the lockdowns and government expansion (some in favor, some opposed), many just try to avoid taking a side and hope it all blows over without them having to. ...and an uncomfortably (to me) large amount spoke in favor of the expansion of government power and erosion of civil liberties. I'm not sure that most people would "pass that test" if they had been German citizens in 1920-1950. Most forget HOW BAD things were in Germany after WWI and through the Great Depression, and how quick people are to abandon their moral high ground when it means they actually have to suffer consequences, or their families do. I'm with you in thinking I'd have been one of the families that fled and then joined the US/UK/etc military to try and fight back, but it's hard to really say if you aren't in that position yourself, truly. It's easy to preen and posture, though, and look down your nose at people that had an impossible choice forced on them which you have not had to make yourself...

Just gonna point out that ‘equivalent exchange’ in the context of alchemy is physical materials. For example you can change 10 lbs worth of stone into a 10 lb stone statue by simply rearranging how the molecules are structured; what you cannot do when bound by the normal limits is change one thing into something completely different, namely coal into gold. It’s all bound by the law of conservation of matter.

@jacobscott1433

2 жыл бұрын

I think they can change coal into gold, it's just against the law. They mention it once or twice, and he definitely does things like turn stone or brick into steel.

@pr_disaster2238

2 жыл бұрын

@Jacob Scott I always assumed that when they managed to make a metal weapon out of stone it was because they were transmuting the trace amounts of iron and other metals within the stone. I do recall them mentioning being able to transmute coal into gold though, which would mean that transmutation is happening on a subatomic level rather than the atomic level. Even then, the law of equivalent exchange should still be purely mathematical. (i.e. If you have enough protons, neutrons, and electrons you can make gold)

@renmcmanus

2 жыл бұрын

Well no...and yes. The often tern stone and brick into "metal". If you will notice Ed often makes spears and the like out of the floor or wall. But they are always quickly destroyed in some way. But he never makes parts for his arm. Not even the outer shell. My point being that you could probably rearrange enough atoms in some stone or brick to make some cheap metal. Oh and it's fiction so rule building is kinda nessasary.

@wakkaseta8351

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Yoki mentioned that the gold Edward gave him turned back into coal, and if I remember the 2003 anime's telling of the events since Brotherhood glossed that whole arc over, Edward just took some a bag full of gold coins and just thinned out the metal to make gold outer plating for the coal.

@VyseLegendaire

2 жыл бұрын

You definitely can do alchemy in today's political climate though. For instance, turning global cooling into global warming through data fabrication and hiding past measured trends.

I feel the need to point out that Mustang and those involved in his coup attempts knew and accepted that they would be tried and convicted of high crimes for their actions in Ishval, it was a childish Edward who could not accept that Mustang and Hawkeye would be punished for following orders and threw a fit with his promise to return the money lent. It was a bitter moment, and very much felt based on moments that you wonder about historically, such as what went through the minds of the Valkyrie conspiracy, if they knew they would also be tried.

@nabilghafar9150

2 жыл бұрын

yeah.. Mustang knew he would be the "bad guy" in the peaceful time.

@bored_potato

2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that Mustang and most of those involved in the coup would be pardoned for their crimes. They did save the entire nation from turning into a philosopher's stone, though I'm not sure if the new government truly knows what happened during the Promised Day. Idk, just a thought.

@somedandy7694

2 жыл бұрын

That's what heroism and resistance truly are: fighting when you know the stakes are high, the odds are against you, and you will be hated whether or not you win. That's why I find it so insufferably arrogant for Hollywood/TV types to style themselves the Resistance because they Tweeted at Trump or posted dank memes at his voters. A resistance has no guarantee of success, and if it fails you hang (or get shot if the State is merciful). Your families will angrily plea with you to stop, your friends will reject you; being in an actual resistance is EXTREMELY uncomfortable, and not the type of thing to harvest Facebook likes.

@loltwest9423

2 жыл бұрын

Ya, that would be just. If they ultimately paid for their crimes or at the very fucking least gave them a slap on the wrist. But instead he becomes King (if memory serves well).

@natesal5037

2 жыл бұрын

@@loltwest9423 he doesn’t

A day with a new Out Of Frame is a good day.

Just saying, Death Note would make for an excellent libertarian analysis

@Snakedude4life

2 жыл бұрын

Psycho pass and Code Geass too. Dead man Wonderland as well! (if we ever got more than one season)

@andrewnietfeld7213

2 жыл бұрын

One piece

@DocsDota

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely Death Note, because we can take a look at the morality of whether any death is truly justified.

@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906

2 жыл бұрын

@@Snakedude4life Yeah Psycho Pass is important

@TheMagnificentMongoSlade

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Death Note can bring serious discussion

There is a lot of complications that really have to be addressed in these type of situations. For one is pretty much never just 'follow orders or not'. Quite often it is 'follow order or go to jail' or even 'follow orders or die', or possibly worst 'follow orders or not only will you die, but potentially your family too'. Then you have the issue of psychology where even with no pressure, we're heavily wired to conform to the group. There is numerous psychological experiments showing just how ridiculous this is. It isn't absolute, but it is something that has to be acknowledged. Still, ultimately, this is one of those odd times were excuses probably should remain just excuses, not defenses. We don't want to give people get out of jail free cards for absolutely abhorrent behavior.

@femsplainer

2 жыл бұрын

So the problem I have with these kinds of arguments is that you are using the promise of repercussions as justification for following a bad order. That is not a logical conclusion to draw, because threat of punishment could then be used to justify any action under the right circumstances. Certainly our laws understand duress to be a mitigating factor but ultimately it's not an excuse. Still I think the people saying that the "I was just following orders" is not an actual defense don't actually understand the military. Soldiers must follow orders with high fidelity in order for a military to function properly. Without that degree of discipline, then the entire order breaks down. As such, the "following orders defense" should in fact carry a lot more weight, because with great power comes great responsibility and so the people giving those orders to their subordinates must be held to a MUCH higher degree of culpability than the soldiers themselves. I think that soldiers that willfully obey illegal orders should face punishment of course, but in the same breath, I think that leaders who violate their ethical obligations by issuing illegal orders should receive exponentially more punishment.

@rahn45

2 жыл бұрын

It boils down to variations of the trolley problem. Do you do nothing and watch a dozen people die, or do you pull a lever and kill one person. Do you do nothing and watch the train go by you? Knowing full well where the destination leads, or do you stand up and join them on that train.

@Sunaki1000

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Explanation, not Excuse, an Excuse is an Defense.

@femsplainer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sunaki1000 An excuse is not actually the same thing as a defense. An excuse is a POTENTIAL defense, but not a defense unto itself. That's why people can say "no excuses" when a subordinate screws up and tries to pass the buck. Kind of like what happened at Nuremberg.

@Sunaki1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@femsplainer Nuremberg? You mean Nürnberg? Well you can use it as Synonym, but your probably right its a little different.

One of my favorite things about FMA is that the characters who participated (but regret) their actions were very willing to receive consequences for their actions. Edward was shocked when Hawkeye told him that she and Mustang wouldn’t fight any convictions against them, but they do deserve it. They wish they didn’t do it, but people are dead. It allows for atonement, but also is very realistic about how that won’t fix things that already happened. I love how they don’t do the usual anime thing if forgetting atrocities because villains become “good.”

@ambatuBUHSURK

6 ай бұрын

No atonement for war criminals. It's basically a story of war criminals lmfao with very little Ishvalan perspective or justice. It's only realistic in the sense that it's a good watch for genocide apologists and denialists. The show doesn't even portray their internal conflict (if they had) and we the audience are expected to celebrate or atleast like them just because they hesitate wiping out the enemy now in fears of being consumed by hate again AFTER doing all those things to Ishvalans lol. It's a joke. That's not how things work and they should have been punished for their actions and should have been portrayed as evil or atleast morally neutral characters instead of sympathetic and injured damsels. Atonement is nothing more than an excuse for war criminals to avoid facing the consequences of their actions when their power has been stripped away.

NGL I’m pretty sure everyone who recommended this was doing so with the expectation you’d pick something involving the people in power for your topic.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

I would hope so. Cause I don't know how I'd have done a religious analysis.

@daniellu1321

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline I feel like everyoone just picked these options pertaining to their favorite show. But I think something like attack on titan or death note might be more thematicly rich and tells more about your type of analysis

@b3rz3rk3r9

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he'd analyze a law on Alchemy passed by the state that Major General Armstrong mentioned in passing: "It is forbidden to turn Lead into Gold, because of the effects it would have on the economy."

@davigurgel2040

2 жыл бұрын

@@b3rz3rk3r9 i think also it is interesting to analyze how alchemy would change the economic value of all things, not only gold specifically. Like, i imagine the amount of brute matter would be much more valuable over the specific properties of an item, if an alchemist can make a chair out of a tree, would the chair be worth more than the amount of wood in it? It anulates the value input of work. I imagine an economy in a world where alchemy is unregulated trade value would be solely based on the amount of matter in an object.

@nicolinrucker5181

2 жыл бұрын

@@davigurgel2040 maybe if alchemy wasn't so fekkin hard. Like, the characters we follow are pretty explicitly in the 0.1% of Alchemists, and Alchemists are like 1% or so of the population.

Führer is the title, King is a first name. If that was missed. I missed it the first 3 times I watched it.

@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808

2 жыл бұрын

So, wait, Father decided to name the guy he purposefully made to be a ruler "King"? I guess that tracks, but still.

@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 , Führer is the political Title of King Bradley, and King really is Bradley’s first name because he was an orphan that went through the homunculus experiment, and he was the only orphan that survived that experiment.

@007kingifrit

2 жыл бұрын

i thought fuhrer and king were just one title. like god king

@CiakPlz

2 жыл бұрын

@@007kingifrit so did I

@wakkaseta8351

2 жыл бұрын

It's a really on the nose name. He was the end result of a program to create a puppet ruler for Amestris, so the name Father and the scientists decided to give him would of course be "King".

A cop in the modern US could probably get away with disobeying an immoral order. But a soldier in Nazi Germany? Not chance. Some people are just trapped and have no choice given the potential reprimands against themselves or their families.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

This, I think, is why it doesn't make sense to try rank and file soldiers in all cases, but why it might / does make sense for the officers who were tried for war crimes in the Nuremberg Trials.

@michaelmurphy2112

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline The officers tried in Nuremburg worked at the death camps. Those positions required the soldiers to volunteer, so they knew exactly what they were signing up for, which is why, "just following orders" didn't hold water.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmurphy2112 they were part of the planning process as well. But the same is basically true for Armstrong, etc. They were in the planning meetings, and they were lead officers.

@APerson-ws4cw

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, if the person would've been severely punished or even just killed for not following an order, I don't think it's fair to charge them with it.

@exterminatusnow1264

2 жыл бұрын

When horrific orders are given, it is often the choice between becoming the perpetrator or a victim of the next perpetrator in line.

Spice and wolf is much more up this channels alley to be honest

@Puffzilla777

2 жыл бұрын

Kaijo!!! talking about new sports and supply & demand

@Snakedude4life

2 жыл бұрын

“Redo of Healer: Where do I even start???”

@GiRR007

2 жыл бұрын

@@Snakedude4life redo healer is just porn so no

@droberts4791

2 жыл бұрын

that's true, it's far from one of my favorite anime but it is definitely something this guy would get a kick out of

@pr_disaster2238

2 жыл бұрын

I think this channel is really more geared toward examining the morality of economic and political systems, which Spice and Wolf never really gets into. It sticks more closely to the technicalities of trading and economy.

I will point out that King is his first name, not part of his title

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

I actually didn't get that from watching the show, but it did seem odd.

@kaynesylvar8277

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline I believe it’s on his tombstone, and in the backstory bits for him in later seasons, when he was given his name by the Central Alchemists.

@michaelobrien9053

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline I actually made that mistake the first time I read the manga lol. It happens

@vashythewabbit8288

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline yeah it's okay, it took me 2 rereadings and rewatchings to realize that his first name was King.

This makes it seem like the decision was simply following orders or not. Often, not following them can come at very high costs - it might not be death, but in a highly patriotic country it can often result in being shunned as an outcast and/or spending your days in a prison. Sure, at that point you still have your morals, but it definitely isn't an easy choice.

@Wulfenbach

2 жыл бұрын

All to easy so many people forget that Himmler brought in the practice of kin punishment, because to him, if the person was bad, it ran in the blood. So everyone else in the family was also tainted.

@Xqvvzts

2 жыл бұрын

You say "it might not be death" but in the past insubordination could easily lead you to a firing squad. You get to be branded a deserter or a mutineer on top of that. There's a reason why Germans in Nuremberg all went for the "following orders" defence. It used to work.

@stansman5461

2 жыл бұрын

But that's the question on which principles will you make your last stand? You can follow orders and be punished for them later. Why? Because you knowingly followed wrong orders. Or you can disobey them and risk your life but you'll atleast die for your principles. That being said, I completely understand the "Just following orders" defense considering the milgram experiments.

@TechnoMinarchist

2 жыл бұрын

@@stansman5461 Will you give the state a reason to execute your family because it believes in kin punishment? It's no longer just about your own morals and life.

@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner

2 жыл бұрын

Armstrong is pretty much there to show what happens to the people that didn't obey orders. It's not very obvious, but people do look down on him. Probably if he wasn't an alchemist and not part of the armstrong family he'd be executed. His sister even said that she was so ashamed that she'd rather hand the family over to mustang than him. There are probably other people that didn't attack Ishval, but wasn't armstrong.

I served in the Marine Corps. When I became a non-commissioned officer I had thought heavily about this issue of free will and immoral orders. And sadly I was ostracized by my command, peers, and platoon where they sent me away to the armory. My argument was to train the Marines under me to make conscious, ethical, and just decisions beyond the scope of taking care of each other. Instead I was met with a very lazy counter point of “you’re an nco, they need to be obedient to your commands” now I have rebuilt those relationships with my old platoon, who just as you mention live with some of the questionable decisions they made in active duty. Think about your moral framework before arriving to a situation like these.

In general, Genocides are problematic at times

@aidanmurphy9668

2 жыл бұрын

"in general" implying.....

@somedandy7694

2 жыл бұрын

But only when the TV People say so...otherwise: "There is no genocide in Ba Sing Se."

@Nai-qk4vp

2 жыл бұрын

@@somedandy7694 "There is no genocide in Xinjiang."

@somedandy7694

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nai-qk4vp "Here in the fences of the compound we are safe"

In the military today we have a rule called unlawful order. Any order deemed to take a life of a non combatants or go against articles in the uniform code of military justice are unlawful. You have the right to choose to not follow these orders but I can tell you that it is hard to not be swept up in the brotherhood and comraderie of the experience. The other thing that drives someone to follow unlawful orders is fear, fear of being attacked by others in your Corp if you go against them or fear of being discharged dishonorable because you didn't follow something you don't agree with. I'm not justifying any unlawful order and haven't been presented with any myself there are reasons people follow them.

@thirdplanet4471

2 жыл бұрын

Group conformity is an interesting thing

Somehow you missed a core part of what this entire series is about. Taking ownership of your actions sounds good from an armchair critics point of view. But what if a single word of dissent costs you your live, or worse, those of your loved ones. And what if, even then, nothing changes at all. The dilemma of those living in a dictatorship. If you don't pull the trigger, someone else who actually cares for his family, will do it in your stead. And all you have achieved is more death and misery, this time from those close to you. How do you handle the fact that sometimes, no matter what choice you make, nothing will change. How will you handle the result of your choices, if every choice leads to death. How will you handle the fact that people, who are forced into choosing between bad decisions, are still human in the end? There is a reason you are first made to like the characters, before the backstory is revealed. Big part of the reason that the Elric brothers could stay that pure, is because there was Colonel Mustang standing behind them. Doing the dirty work, so that he could one day change the system from within. He acted as an umbrella for them. The following quote illustrates a part of the problem: “Morals are a luxury of the rich.”― George Bernard Shaw Speaking of morals is always easy, if you don't give a thought about who exactly you are talking about and the struggles they go through. You speak of Arkhipov, but for every Arkhipov there are 100,000 people that are too low on the totem pole to achieve anything with a refusal. I never heard you talk about about the thousands of people shot dead for the refusal to obey orders. Orders, that got finished by someone else regardless. We only remember the rare few, that actually achieved something. Cherry picking at its finest.

@khaoticmage2027

2 жыл бұрын

@Mackenzie Bauroth Or the worse option in the USSR and Germany of "be a soldier or watch as we slowly kill your wife, children, uncles, aunts, grandparents, your wife's family, siblings. We might even get a close friend of yours do it. Or make YOU do it." There is no such thing as morality in war, and anybody who says otherwise I hope never has do deal with such a situation, because I guarantee they will break far before those who recognize this truth will. Also if Arkhipov had refused, whose to say that the person who replaced him wouldn't have been even worse?

@janzethsacmar6309

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

By equivalent exchange. They typically mean in the matter and energy sense. The first law of thermodynamics.

@anhtunguyen781

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, by that mean you can not create more energy as well as matter out of nowhere

@Timelord888

2 жыл бұрын

@@anhtunguyen781 Though that begs the question. Could they use trasmute matter into energy?

@anhtunguyen781

2 жыл бұрын

@@Timelord888 no I don't think so, unless they are able to seperate proton, neutron and electron, then probably not every element is possible, like maybe something simple as Hydrogen and Oxygen

@Timelord888

2 жыл бұрын

@@anhtunguyen781 In the show they turned Coal, which is Carbon (6 Protons) into Gold (79 Protons)

@anhtunguyen781

2 жыл бұрын

@@Timelord888 I saw that, but like, I think it is because they used engergy to turn coal into gold just like how they form the shapes of other objects, you can see May explained how her alchemy is different from them (it is kinda close to what you want), basically that the energy have to be used to change objects or elements, not control them freely however, still, instead of some specific objects they might be able to do that with air, just that the energy will spread and not as effective as using solid objects in comparison, it is like when you punch something, that object will absorb the energy from your punch or maybe you are just throwing fist in the air but you can not stand still not doing anything and produce the same energy like your punch. Your brain have to control your body, create chemical reaction etc so that the energy inside your body will turn into a punch and that punch will transfer the energy out side, like transmution circles used on objects and elements

His title is not "Furher King" His name is King Bradley, his title is Furher.

@shawnboahene5231

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah after all that would repetitive

@DreZato12

2 жыл бұрын

No his Title is Furher King Bradley. his name is Wrath

@nickelakon5369

2 жыл бұрын

@@DreZato12 his legal name is King Bradley, his true name is Jugemu-jugemu Gokōnosurikire Kaijarisuigyo-no Suigyōmatsu Unraimatsu Fūraimatsu Kūnerutokoroni-sumutokoro Yaburakōjino-burakōji Paipopaipo-paiponoshūringan Shūringanno-gūrindai Gūrindaino-ponpokopīno-ponpokonāno Chōkyūmeino-chōsuke in japanese and Russell Daniel Paul Blake Joseph Alan Eric Fred Orson Trevor Richard Charletons Christopher Benedict Garfield Polyurethane Nicholas Robert Theodore Skeet Michael Alvin Carter Bryce Jeffrey Marigold Peter Ethan Arin Papa Willie Nathaniel Orville Chuck Slippy Slappy Zippy Zappy Angel Eyes in English

@vashythewabbit8288

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickelakon5369 Lol, I forgot about that joke.

Possible Spoilers: I feel as though the vague reasons for not knowing exactly what is equivalent or equal value actually makes sense. The fact that the alchemists think they are all knowing and that everything can be put into a math equation makes them run into problems in literally the first episode when they think that equivalent exchange works for everything and attempt to bring their mother back from the dead. This theme of hubris Is shown in the main systems of the world building as well as with the homunculus and his desire for knowledge and control. When he comes directly into contact with "God" who basically tells him that he knows nothing and destroys him for his greed. The question in the background of "who decides what is equivalent?" is answered at the very end and the answer is "God" and that's why you truly never know in the show what is or isn't equivalent exchange because like in real life it's complicated and you don't get to decide how the world works, Now that's some dang good writing!

@vashythewabbit8288

2 жыл бұрын

That actually makes alot of sense considering what Hiromu Arakawa said about her research on alchemy, how it doesn't make any sense and is contradictory.

Fullmetal Alchemist is my ALL TIME favorite anime. Whether it be the manga, 2004 or the brotherhood version. Everything about it is simply amazing.

When I see an out of frame, it must be Christmas. Double points since its about Full Metal Alchemist.

Code Geass will very much be up "Out of Frame"'s alley. Especially towards the end of season 2 where three major characters basically espouse direct political philosophies and ideals that they strive for.

@eldestdragon5766

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what his opinion on Lelouch will be by the end of it.

@philosophicaljay3449

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldestdragon5766 When you judge Lelouch by the standards of the world we live in he seems much worse than when you judge him by the standards of the world of Code Geass, but it would be a fantastic episode of "Out of Frame" none-the-less

@eldestdragon5766

2 жыл бұрын

@@philosophicaljay3449 Yeah, that is about what I think. I see a lot of people label Lelouch as a utilitarian, but with how the series ends, I am not so sure. I just wonder if Out of Frame will just focus on Lelouch’s authoritarian acts and overlook other parts of his character.

@philosophicaljay3449

2 жыл бұрын

@@eldestdragon5766 I mean, one basically needs to be an authoritarian on some level in that universe. The only countries that are "free" are part of the EU and even then it is questionable how free they are. Outside of that you have the Tyrannical Britannia, the communist Chinese Federation, and a handful of states that are either vassals, soon to be vassals, or are forced to be almost military dictatorships in order to remain independent. If the focus is put too much on the authoritarianism of Lelouch then it really would be a disappointing episode.

@eldestdragon5766

2 жыл бұрын

@@philosophicaljay3449 Speaking of China, they say they are communist, but they don’t do a good job of showing it in the anime. I mean they still have the freaking monarchy!

I just got done watching "Uniquenameosaurus" talk about Fullmetal how nice.

@travisbishop782

2 жыл бұрын

So did i!

@corenlavolpe6143

2 жыл бұрын

Love Unique's channel

This is my favorite anime, and I really appreciate the analysis you've given. Another interesting dimension to your topic is how others end up viewing those who were "just following orders." Though revenge is wrong, it is understandable that Scar views State Alchemists as monsters, just as we tend to portray the Nazi soldiers that assisted in the Holocaust. Their decision to accept the orders they were given opened the door to committing monstrous acts, yet all the while they never cease to be human. Though I like to say that those who dehumanize others end up dehumanizing themselves in the end, it is such a potent reminder of the abyssal depths of depravity we all are capable of without moral integrity, which should help us to pity - even just a little - those who allow themselves to become monsters in the name of "loyalty."

Another anime I would highly recommend doing for this series is Psychopass.

*"Some of them are trying to atone. But atonement doesn't bring back the dead"* *Woke Twitter:* "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"

@davidmays8974

2 жыл бұрын

Are they wrong?

@loyisad1211

2 жыл бұрын

That's a fact though. Why does it make your butt hurt though? Is your image in the mirror too ugly for you?

I believe that the "equal value" is very much defined on the chemical level... although I can't be sure the chemistry in their world is the same as in ours...

@travelsizedlions

2 жыл бұрын

That detail got me as well. "Equal" isn't a subjective concept. It is perhaps the most objective concept there is. That's why it's so interesting when trying to apply it to subjective or non-numerical things like the value of a life or the work put into a creation.

Saying that "following orders isn't excusable" is something incredibly easy to say from a cushioned chair, in a land of peace, where food is bountiful.

Haha. I might be wrong, but I believe it’s “Code Gee-Oss” not “Code Geese”. Awesome FMA review though, can’t wait for more. :)

@johnnydollar579

2 жыл бұрын

NNNEERRDDD. Your right though

@travelsizedlions

2 жыл бұрын

*Honking intensifies*

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

It's pronounced gayce.

@zeehero7280

2 жыл бұрын

Code geass is pretty good altho it has its flaws and also the only anime with an actually good english dub. I think this channel really misses the point of a lot of fiction being FICTION. I love when they tear into media ruined by leftist tripe, but a lot of the time they make some really silly criticisms of thigns that were never intended to be looked at through a real life lens.

@thomastegroen1274

2 жыл бұрын

I think any good work can be applied to real life if you want to do that, but if you want to look at the surface level meaning instead you can do that too. The applicability comes from morals/themes that are universal.

I think you would like rising of the shield hero. It focuses on politics a bit and shows how good intentions don't mean good actions.

@samhank

2 жыл бұрын

Please do this

@youtubesurfer134

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please the show has so much he could talk about.

@wakkaseta8351

2 жыл бұрын

The light novel or manga though. The anime butchered too many key elements just to make Naofumi more heroic.

The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

@wakkaseta8351

2 жыл бұрын

Such an arrogant mindset, to think that all it takes to defeat evil is a good man. This post is brought to you by the Villain4Lyfe gang

@Nai-qk4vp

2 жыл бұрын

@@wakkaseta8351 That's right. It takes all of them.

3:46 Remember that time when Edward, a state agent, tricked a bourgeois to sell his privated owned coal mine, where he was used to abuse and exploit his workers, only to see the gold was fake and Edward had returned the means of production to the hands of the working men? That scene was good.

@tetitous

10 ай бұрын

really good, wish it wasn't skipped in brotherhood

@guilhermeteodosio40

10 ай бұрын

@@tetitous it wasn't, it's sarcasm

@tetitous

10 ай бұрын

@@guilhermeteodosio40 shame

@guilhermeteodosio40

10 ай бұрын

@@tetitous on you

@tetitous

10 ай бұрын

@@guilhermeteodosio40 nah

So glad you chose this show. One of the best shows!

LEGEND OF THE GALACTIC HEROES

@Melodyofthesea78

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good anime.

@johnhallman3611

2 жыл бұрын

Sad people hardly check out that one.

I'd say that you could also have mentioned the contrast between Ed's "humility" in understanding he's just one human and accepting that he can't just take everything from everyone for free, and Father's "hubris" and his intent to use the entirety of a country for his own eschatological goals - the hallmark of all utopian and authoritarian movements. A bit weird and might not have as much to talk about, but I think it's pretty relevant.

“There was only ever one man who saved the world, and he was a soldier who disobeyed orders.”

Thanks for the new video Seamus, keep up the good work!

Could be that someone is trying to warn us about our own future.

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

No, Arakawa was just writing a story.

@hykinthoseukhaitan4497

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

In France they are fining and arresting people who provide services to anyone who is unvaccinated.... There's your example of how governments can 'motivate' people who may not want to 'just do their job' when they know it's wrong

@Hibernial

2 жыл бұрын

The last year of what’s amounted to training drills and test runs of totalitarianism has really, really, gotten to some political establishment leader’s and enforcer’s heads. But I guess people being complicit also has something to do with how prolonged all of it is. Between the just following orders officer, and the neighbor itching to report any person to “just following orders” officers, it’s a tough argument for me to say who’s position of those two is the worst. It’s like a majority within a jury in court supporting rigged sentences for nonviolent offenses, despite having the capacity in a formally legal setting to overturn blatant trespassing of civil liberties by a government. Even NY’s Cuomo admitted that were it not for the compliance of NY residents, he couldn’t have gotten away with two/thirds of what he’d done under state executive order.

Armstrong didn’t participate, he refused to and was sent home which is why his sister thinks of him as a coward

@danielallan8061

4 ай бұрын

She thinks of him as a coward because he didn't turn on the officers ordering the killing. Not that he didn't take part. It's also why she is disgusted with Mustang. Because he took part.

I will be more than happy with more anime stuff. I will personally become a patron if you do another one of these.

One of the best videos I've seen on the series, thanks!

Weebs are slowly taking over the world and youtubers. And we are proud of it

@LDub01031994

2 жыл бұрын

Becoming an easy job when modern western media is just in crapper right now with such on the nose political ideologies shading things in place of good story telling

Trusting an authority figure in FMA? (still laughing at the idea)

Another great video man

one thing fma does well is also that it doesn't advocate forgiveness for these actions. looking specifically at winry's closure with scar (how her gun is set down, casting aside paying violence with more violence, instead helping scar at a later juncture despite explicitly never having forgiven his murder of her parents). how scar's journey throughout the entirety of the plot is moreso his vengeance for retributive justice being shaped into restorative justice back into the ishvalan community that still lives. personally, one thing that i feel could've been done better is mustang staying blind. something that rubbed me wrong was how he used the stone made of ishvalan lives to heal his colleagues and himself, thereby actively profiting off these spoils of genocide not just once (in the awarding of his status as a "war hero"), but twice now.

We all know that the "Amestrian soldier" who shot the Ishvala child was Envy.

"Just following orders". I highly recommend that you watch Genocidal Organ. That anime tackled it perfectly.

Great video. Thank you for taking an honest look and picking an aspect of the show that might not be popular. Those were good things to think about.

Most satisfying 11 minutes and 16 seconds in my whole life about my favorite show. Keep up the good work 🙏

*Never been a fan of Anime, but I'm a huge fan of FEE, so I'm listening to this Anime talk.*

FMAB is one but my favorite animes. Also you should watch code geass it’s an amazing and beautiful show

@lainiwakura1776

2 жыл бұрын

Lol no it's not, it's badly written drivel that's not trying to be anything more than entertaining. If you want real politics, Gundam is where it's at. You weren't around for the memes though, were you?

Thank you for making this video 👍

Man you were on a roll when that ended...it was like butter(okay that was horrible)and the theme here ties into some of your other videos, so that's great. Very thought provoking analysis of FMAB that I don't think I've seen covered anywhere else.

I would recommend Rurouni Kenshin due to it taking place during a time of the Restoration Period of Japan.

@jobsidian4219

2 жыл бұрын

That anime needs a remake

I think Dr. Stone would be a really good subject, in a way, it's a lot like a modern take on the story Lord of the Flies, if you take modern life away from people, what do you expect will happen? One side wants to cleanse humanity of it's corruption, the other wants to bring everything back to the way things were and let the chips fall where they may? But which side is right you may ask?

@sapientbirb7350

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I'd go for the latter. Reasons as to why: For one thing, getting rid of corruption is impossible, at least in anyway that doesn't involve the mass extinction of all life. Everything that's living is selfish to some degree, including things as small and basic as single celled organisms. And because of that, they're willing to do virtually anything for themselves and what they care about. You can try to keep it down with a large unified group, but there's no guarantee that said group would succeed, much less stay in power. Reason being, groups are made up of mortal individuals with needs and desires. And over time, different groups are going to be formed, and some will oppose the original group for their own corrupt methods of ending corruption. And that's not even counting what exactly would be considered corrupt in the first place. As for bringing things back to where they were, why not? Chances are they'd just do it themselves, albiet a lot slower. You're granting knowledge to those that have yet to make the same mistakes. And the most dangerous groups, in terms of actions, are those that lack knowledge. And with said knowledge, there can be more time committed to finding ways that can benefit those that wield the information and the world they inhabit.

always a joy to watch anime content from people who aren't usually into the medium, nice vid m8

I love/hate these short editions… they are great! But leave me with the need for more 😓😓. Great job on the video!

I'm not so sure the line between your libertarian video essays and metaphysical questions about free will and what makes someone themselves is that clear. The big crux of libertarian thought is the question what freedom actually means and what makes it possible, and that's just as much a spiritual and personal as a political question. Good video, I enjoyed it a lot!

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

It can be, sure, but I think that's a much bigger and more complex question in some ways. To be honest, I largely *assume* free will and objective metaphysics as a pre-condition of some of the stuff I talk about. I do have reasons for these assumptions, but I usually talk about things that are a little more observable here.

Thank you for making a great anime video. By the way its pronounced Code "Ge-aws".

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

So excited to see anime from this channel.

great analysis. was happy to read

Legend of the galactic heroes is the perfect anime for your channel, it's old and long but I think you would love it.

Game of Thrones when after Arya killed Walder Frey, she kills his sons involved in the Red Wedding. He gave the orders but they carried it out.

As an FMA fan and admirer of Arakawa’s work (and after recently rewatching “Brotherhood”) I appreciate this.👊🏾🔥🔥🔥

i like how you said blindly while showing footage of roy mustang

One of my favorite parts of the 2003 version of FMA was Mustang's arc (which was made quite different in Brotherhood). In the 2003 version they'd all been told that the war was justified, and given the humonculous were manipulating things, the 2003 version made it a bit less clear how destructive the war actually was (we even see refugee camps being set up and maintained by the authorities), with the implication being the genocide was not the intention of the military command... if I remember correctly... I do know a young Mustang was still horrified by the war, particularly after (spoilers for FMA 2003) having to kill Winry's parents because they were treating enemy combatants who would then go right back to fighting the war. That act leads him to strive to become Fuhrer in order to prevent needless killing like that, and he even gets in the way of other officers who may want to push for a more violent solution, and in the end he... sort of fails and sort of succeeds. He succeeds in deposing the Fuhrer but fails in becoming one, his revolt allowing the government to become a bit more democratic. In the end, he chooses a demotion and is moved to a border outpost which is basically a prison for him until he's needed later on in the finale of the series, where he meets up with Hawkeye and it was adorable and I wish they had continued it. I just love redemption arcs and I do have a personal soft spot for the 2003 adaptation because of this so I'm pretty biased.

Hunter x Hunter would be a great anime to analyze, especially the Chimera Ant Arc, with themes from individualism, collectivism, power, dictatorships, war, etc.

Definitely watch all 3 of the suggestions!

Glad you talked about this anime. You did not mention this, but in a scene where Edward Elric is talking with Riza Hawkeye about the genocide, she says that after king-bradley is deposed, they plan to have war crimes trials, of which she will turn herself in as a participant in the genocide. It would be interesting to see how that went. I think a good example would be the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide. Also, if I'm not mistaken, before the Nuremberg trials, someone said that they had enough evidence to hang half of Germany for the Holocaust.

Been waiting for this one lol

Watched FMA around 10 to 15 years ago. It is an awesome series.

You should mention my favorite character, Kimblee,'s responds to Mustang and Hawkeye about this. Like it or not, they were the one who chose to join the military. What surprised me, despite the fact that Kimblee is a psycho, but Mustang and Hawkeye can't argue against those words, remember them, and learn a lot from them.

Interesting. Thank you. I'll have to check this out.

I think Out of frame would like FMA 03, it goes into a deeper and darker look into the atrocity of the Ishvalan Civil War.

6:12 In the defence of these solders who illegedly commited war-crimes under the "just following orders" excuse: 1) War is hell. Perhaps it was hard to know what the moral thing to do was in the heat of the moment, or maybe there was no good option available, so they went with the lesser of two evils. 2) Some lokely feared the legal consequences of a court-martial, for questioning orders.

@edmilsoneletrica

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The consequences can be quite severe and life shattering. Take Mustang for example. He would probably be imprisoned, lose his job/rank and with that his dream/aspiration of becoming the Fuhrer would be no more. Everything in his life that mattered most to him, his wishes, hopes, all the years and effort he put to get there would die never to come back. It's a complete destruction of one's life knowing full well that whatever it is that you were trying to avoid is still going to happen (because someone else will do it). People compare a situation like this to their own lives and think: "I'll just quit this job and find another one". Sorry, baby, but no!

A well crafted video. 10/10

There is an unmentioned point about being punishing or forgiving with the perpetrators, and is that former perpetrators can have a huge role in stopping the genocide from happening again, and this is the case in FMA.

The fact that he'll review Death Note, Code Geass and Dr Stone makes me so legitimately happy 😆

You may want to try the first Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation from 2003. It's a divergent adaptation that is much more pointed in its critiques of state power, since it deals very heavily with themes of imperialism and state violence -- far moreso than Brotherhood does, because the director and writer used it to critique the Iraq War. It also takes a very different direction with Scar's character that breaks away from "Revenge is Bad", and instead asks "what responsibility does an individual with power have to protect those who are in danger from racist state-sanctioned violence? What is the line between revenge and legitimate resistance?"

Great video

Haven't heard from you in a while, man. Great to see that you're back. Watching right now. Will restart the video when I post this comment. Cheers 🥂

I would've imagine Spice and Wolf as the first anime on this channel, or that you'd go more into a focus on one Alchemy state law from FMA "Turning Lead into Gold is illegal" based on how ruinous it would be. Or maybe an episode on Dr. Stone based on the conflict of ideals between Senku and Tsukasa, the concept of pure Libertarianism and the utilities of unlimited sciences vs Primitive Communism and vastly overlimited scientific restriction and censorship. But, if you are looking for more anime that have worlds with their own political ramifications, might I recommend Berserk 97. True, it doesn't really have much in the case of economics, but the political actions based on the Feudal system that Midland runs under is interestingly interwoven with the main story. Be warned that Berserk is a tough anime to get through; not because of poor quality (that's the Other one), but because of the darker moments that really make the more heartfelt moments shine.

I think the whole UC gundam timeline would be a series that would fit FEE. Just over all because of the political outline or even the end goal that Zeon Zum Daikun had.

Psycho Pass would make a killer episode to do on What if google algorithm was judge jury and executioner

I really enjoyed the video and the discussion of the genocide problem in FMA, both series and manga. I have seen lots of good suggestions in other comments that would definitely be good topics for a video. I recommend the anime Ergo Proxy because of it’s dystopian city of Romdo and the references it makes to Descartes and Michelangelo.

Most “equal value” isn’t subjective though-as they stated in the show, you can go to your hardware store and buy everything you need to create a human body, those are basic materials. The soul, however, is quite a different story, especially since it doesn’t originate from man. Rebuilding a broken stereo is easy bc you further destroy the base elements and then reconstruct them, which means equal value is achieved. However, knowing what value a soul has, or what it’s made of, is impossible. Point being I think, in this show anyway, equivalent exchange is very straight forward, so I disagree that it’s subjective unless you’re dealing with things beyond the mortal realm.

Moralizing wartime atrocities in times of peace is naive at best. When disobeying orders will result in court martial and execution, very few would sacrifice themselves to delay the demise of random strangers. Just saying...

King Bradley wasn’t the embodiment of wrath itself, just the wrathful side of his creator the dwarf in the flask. But I like your words on everything else. As of now(12/26/2021) I’m currently questioning weather or not I should still forgive Mustang, Hawkeye, Armstrong, or even Marcoh. Yes they were following orders but they knew what kind of pointless cruelty they were being ordered to carry out, but they went through with it anyway. Kimblee I can’t forgive because he actually enjoyed the Genocide of the ishvallans, but Mustang, and all them actually came to regret their actions and made efforts to atone for their sins.

Lol, I just found out that this video was released the same day I finished Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. I actually found this video pretty interesting, nice job.

I would be very interested in your take on some of the themes in Cowboy Bebop or Samurai Champloo (or anything that Shinichiro Watanabe is involved with frankly).

@joshuaharris3039

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please!

Say what you like about brotherhood but the original series has a better opening act

@elgato49

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't watched the brotherhood version, but i LOVE the original series. What's the main difference between the two?

@wakkaseta8351

2 жыл бұрын

That's because Brotherhood expects you to already have watched 2003 or read the manga and just skips or glosses over most of the early events, on top of giving us that filler of a first episode.

nice shoutout to jared. he did an interview with unsafe spaces when he left wisecrack that deserves more views

Excellent video!! FMAB is a masterpiece and reaches exceptionally complex themes

I hope you make videos about AOT, Death Note and HXH.

Attack on Titan after season 4 part 2 finishes airing would be an interesting one.

@G3ck4

2 жыл бұрын

It's unfortunate that such interesting political themes only really come in 4 seasons deep though

@ryancroy

2 жыл бұрын

@@G3ck4 It is very unfortunate. Great themes come beforehand, but FEE probably won't tall about those.

@ryancroy

2 жыл бұрын

@@strangelyukrainian7314 Greater good. Should you pay for the sins of your ancestors (only solution to past racism is present racism). Ends justify the means. Lesser of two evils.

@ryancroy

2 жыл бұрын

@@strangelyukrainian7314 It's also the foundation of Ibrams antiracism. Racism now is the only way to atone for past sins. Rather collectivist too.

Love it! Both FMA & FEE's OoF. Thanks for making this.

I recommend watching _Kino's Journey_ next, both the original series and the new series. It's basically about a young girl named Kino who wanders the Earth riding on a talking motorcycle named Hermes, visiting various city-states (referred to in the show as "countries"), each with its own unique system of government, economics and culture with varying levels of technological advancement. The show examines the human condition through Kino's interactions with the citizens of each city state with Kino providing an outsider's perspective on their way of life. In fact, some people have compared the original novel it's based on to Antoine de Saint Exupéry's _The Little Prince_ .