Love the knowledge and the shirt

I was told I was a full roller until I got a second opinion. The second opinion measured my PAP and we drilled the ball to fit my release style. I'm happy to say that I am now tracking outside of my fingers and thumbs!

I'm a full roller in 2023. I bowl finger tip still, like only to the nail. I have a rev rate of about 400 now. Basically the highest rev rate in a full roller.

I bowl no thumb one handed and I tried shifting my finger pitches 7/16" to the right. The ball didn't feel significantly different in my hand or at release but my PAP moved a bunch and my track would have easily been inside the thumb hole if there was one. My tilt decreased as well but not to zero. I stopped using those pitches. The decrease in tilt was not desirable.

Trying not to spin the ball too much, I higher my track a lot when I was still a one handed bowler. Though never became a full roller at that moment. I accidentally became a two handed full roller while starting to pick up spare with house ball. Mainly as a way to practice my two handed bowling. I guess it happened because I was rolling my hand side way too much and too early to creat sharper hook spot.💦 Now became a hybrid bowler. I almost forgot how to spin the ball without my thumb (two hand). It became a bad habit, but it sort of work while having decent rev rate and able to “tame” or tune down the ball. Sound weird maybe🙈 but I have to force myself not the rotate the ball too early, if necessary. If I am to totally cut my two handed full rolling habit, I may have to decrease the importance of my ring finger or brain wash myself as you said.

Thank ya, Mo.

With the changes to span and release does the layout stay the same??

I believe I'm a 2 hand no thumb full roller since my track goes along where you showed but I do cock my wrist and play so much of the back part of my bowling balls I mainly throw getting a lot of rev rate and rpms off my release. Is that okay since I do get strong down lane motion and my miss rights are forgiving?

My oil track comes in between the ring finger and the the pointer am I a full roller

I am a Full Roller and use pin past PAP layouts with great effectiveness. Putting the pin past the PAP prevents the core from being turned upside down. I have found a few cores that totally counteract if you turn them upside down and drill them with the conventional 3 3/8" layout Mo mentioned. They become dead balls, no flare and no dynamics. The pin can be put anywhere from on your pap, to 3 3/8" past your PAP, as long as you can keep the ball static legal. Just another layout option for Full Rollers.

@postmonnc0165

2 жыл бұрын

I wish u had a picture of what that looks like on a bowling ball bc that's the layout they put on ball where the pin is by the thumb hole I had enough time just trying to figure regular layouts now to something so foreign to me that it's just confusing at this point and infill like I'm going in circles with it I've had missed results with with the 3 3/8 layouts so if u can help it would be greatly appreciated

@nordattack

Жыл бұрын

@@postmonnc0165 Please look at the layouts on the balls on my channel. I have a few Pin past Pap layout balls. Watch the beginning of Videos #125 and #140 where you can see the pin past pap layout.

I hope you get rid of that cold.

Mr. Pinel, what do u mean by “turning” the ball; instead of “lifting” the ball? Coaches say to come up from behind the bowling ball. Now I’m confused on “turning” the ball; is it still the same as coming up behind the ball?

@AverageLeagueHack

2 жыл бұрын

Mo believed in rotating the axis (get around it) and getting it down on the lanes early to maximize flare. Up the back minimizes ball reaction potential.

My buddy tracks over his fingers and thumb. Is that a clue that he may be a full roller?

Need help from you. My tracks are very high and touch the thumb. This stops if I forward role the ball but basically from my normal release my tracks are very high. My rev is 180-200, speed avg 13 as I have reduced it due to lumbar pain problem, PAP 4.5. Can you please you please suggest a strong backend layout as I do understand I have full role? Is 70-4-25 dual angle good? Also can you please suggest some ball each for very heavy oil, medium oil and dry oil lanes condition?

@anthonygomes3751

3 жыл бұрын

@Austin Elkins Are you an expert in this game? If not then donot comment. I have seen people with avg speed 12.25 to 12.50 with consistent 215 avg score.

@anthonygomes3751

3 жыл бұрын

@Austin Elkins Great...keep up your game and I dont need your suggestions...just know this.

@mikec260

2 жыл бұрын

@Austin Elkins my teammate throws it average of 12-13 and he is a 220+ average with twelve 300 games in tournaments etc. You just sounded like a fucking asshole to a person who was just asking for help. Not everybody can throw as hard you Mr. Professional. 😂

I am a full roller, and I’m desperate to get to a semi roller. I will take any help I can get!

@Charadoe2031

3 ай бұрын

You might try Tom Smallwood's half thumb release. I used to be in your position (low-revolution, suitcase release full roller) and after trying and failing at almost everything else, I found the half thumb to be quite easy to pick up and execute. it's kickass. It feels like a magic cheat that adds about two hundred or more extra revs compared to where you started. Your fingers will look and feel funny when you grip the ball, but you'll have way more revs, power and versatility. You'll be able to play way deeper than you've ever played before. Experiment with it the next time that you bowl.

Mo, I did a session with you in Richmond a few years back but now that i've gotten older have had a full roll release for a few years. We've been experimenting with a layout we heard about that puts the pin 6 3/4" from center grip (1:30 pin position (on symmetrics ONLY)) and I find that this gives me a lot better length and backend. My other symmetrics that use the generic full-roll layout tend to be too early and most roll-out on me. Can you give your input and insight on this 6 3/4" from center grip layout as I can't find anything on it online. Thank you...

HOW DEEP IS BURY?

Turn don't lift, I like it!!

I'm almost 38 years old and have been bowling my entire life and for the first time I think I'm hearing something that I've always been told NOT to do. Am I hearing Mo correctly? I could've sworn he just said in order to generate more hook with the ball or more flare it's best to SPIN the ball instead of LIFT to get more rotation? I was always told to NEVER put un-natural spin on the ball and that you get the ball to spin/hook through the LIFT and the ball coming off the fingers naturally. So are these Pros actually cranking the hell out of their hand and spinning the ball to get the rev rate they achieve? I'm so confused.. 209 average by the time I was only 18 years of age and now I feel like I got it all wrong...

@AverageLeagueHack

2 жыл бұрын

When he discusses Turning it He's referring to axis rotation.

What is the Detroit Half-Thumb and what does it do? It sounds very interesting.,

@NoSkilljutsu

4 жыл бұрын

It's not putting you're thumb fully in the thumb hole, just the first knuckle of the thumb goes in the thumb hole. Hopes that helps.

@jfisher4

4 жыл бұрын

sounds like a childish made up sexual position but what do i know

@caftood

4 жыл бұрын

jfisher4 WTF

@SuperHonkyPodcast

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoSkilljutsu I do this not because I want to, but because often times I get drag on the right side of my thumb if it's fully inserted into the ball until the skin tears open raw if I don't. This is due to me not finding a really good PSO to drill my newer balls and they rush the process leaving me with 5 different balls and all 5 feel completely different from one another despite being drilled by the same PSO.

I’m a full roller and I get good reaction out of my bowling balls. I have no extra holes in any of my bowling balls and I don’t seem to have any trouble with how I throw the ball.

@zscampbellTX

4 жыл бұрын

3 of us

@douglasbuck8986

10 ай бұрын

FOUR@@zscampbellTX

Gold

I’ve been bowling almost 30 years and never understood how someone can be a full roller. My oil rings never come close to a full roller.

@coreyculp4833

3 жыл бұрын

I am a full roller . I didn't know it until a few years ago when I got the right pro shop man.

@TraumaER

3 жыл бұрын

@@coreyculp4833 It's interesting. I'd like to see a video by someone showing how to release the ball to even get a full roller pattern on the ball.

@coreyculp4833

3 жыл бұрын

@@TraumaER I don't think I've ever recorded myself. I need to get a shot of it. I been bowing for 30 years myself. I always been a 215 average bowler but when the pro shop guy started drilling full layout for me couple years ago I've gone up a little consitently averaging 225 to 230. I think my release is similar to tom smallwood . I got a high track that just partially comes over thumb hole on the last pin up layout I had. If that makes sense.

@TraumaER

3 жыл бұрын

@@coreyculp4833 yeah I'm familiar with Smallwood. I don't know how he does it either although I can see it happen since he has a unique release with his thumb positioned. I just never could do it. My track is about 1" left of both fingers and thumb as a right hander. My release is similar to PDW / Malott with about 400 rpm. But yeah my flaring rings covers a large part of the ball. I guess you could say I have a heavy roll with angular axis tilt. Definitely requires me to use weaker equipment on house shots though.

@coreyculp4833

3 жыл бұрын

@@TraumaER yes being a full roller Im always throwing the strongest balls even when they bone dry out I can still just move a little and play in the middle towards end of league nights .

Is there such thing as a no-thumb full-roller?

@MrThinkImPossible

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. How are you or they holding the ball without a thumb hole? They way a full roller holds the ball during the swing , without a thumb the ball will fall to the ground. Full roller have the thumb on the side of the ball during the swing. Now if you are a thumbless bowler and think you are a full roller , then that is merely a release issue. Like Mo mentioned , turning the hand and releasing differently.

@mattieson26

4 жыл бұрын

I am a no thumb full roller.

This guy is really a wizard and someone young better learn his wisdom.

@wr3ckr270

Жыл бұрын

Mo's death was a true loss to the sport. RIP Mo.

I’ve been bowling my whole life, but somehow went from having 10 degrees of tilt to being full roller. I guess I started lifting the ball more? Idk. I still have a decent ball motion without balance holes or surface changes and have been averaging in the 210-220s lately. If the thumb hole is too big, could that cause unnecessary lifting of the ball because you are trying to grip it too much?

@Mastadon909

4 жыл бұрын

With a thumb hole that's too big, you naturally compensate your grip by squeezing the ball to hold on to it especially on the backswing and at the top of the swing. You would think that the looser the thumb fits the quicker you can get your thumb out to create revs however if it's too loose you squeeze the ball and your release becomes inconsistent.

Mo seems so mad over the new USBC balance hole rule lol

@ArnisGoldberg

3 жыл бұрын

Everybody is kinda mad at it. I was bowling just fine as a non-thumb two-hander with thumb holes in my equipment to switch to one handed for spares, but I can't even do that now.

@Alldayertexas

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArnisGoldberg Please check that again, your able to two-hand bowl with no Thumb for strikes AND then use a spare ball with thumb. I am a two-handed no Thumb bowler and do use a spare ball with thumb. Please note, I am USING MY THUMB when bowling with spare ball. I verified with USBC GC - 70301 Two-handed bowling.

Ive been bowling for 35 years, and i have absolutely no clue what he is talking about. I feel sooo dumb right now.

This is interesting, the best bowler in our league is a 21 year old full roller who hooks the Devil out of the ball more than anyone in the town, no weight holes in his balls either. So I guess there are always exceptions to every rule.

@cemeterybowling6

Жыл бұрын

I’m also a full roller but I don’t hook as much as others (unless I 2-hand), but I can hook the ball a lot if I wanted even one handed. I’ve thought of switching but I’m just so used to it at this point.