Trampaboards has some INSANE VESC's and were the original developers of the VESC with Ben!

Also a good rule of thumb the general max amount of phase amps are 3x your line amp continous discharge of your battery.. phase amp = torque, line amps = speed

@finn_9999

10 күн бұрын

Not line amps make speed the voltage is. Amps are just there to compensate the losses in friction

@MooseRidez

10 күн бұрын

@@finn_9999 huh

@stevenervin4113

9 күн бұрын

​@@finn_9999don't give advice

@Charly95Fox

9 күн бұрын

@@finn_9999 youre right motor KV so RPM per Volt is Speed limiter, and Amps are torque, yes you need torque to get over the friction but Voltage is the Multiplyer for Speed by the MotorKV Value

@finn_9999

9 күн бұрын

@@stevenervin4113 who are you?

They should make this kind of controller but veered towards Ebike users and make it easy to understand and install. Just plug and play and that would sell like hot cakes.

yes, a wiring video please 😀

Nice video buddy. Thanks for the detail it was very helpful.

Wow your channel is a godsend. I am glad I found this before I spent a bunch of money on something I would just have ended up replacing! Keep up the great work ^^

Great video! Well presented and very useful information for sure.

Great info. Thx for sharing!

Thanks! Lots of good info. More please 🙏

Awesome video brotha!!

this was super helpful 🤘🏼

Good stuff man. I didn't even know that the VESC can work with brushed motors too. Gonna have to look more into this

Lots of things I'd like to point out. Since VESC is open source, any companies can make VESCs. Flipsky ones are the best budget option, but they are not original vescs by any means. They are built in china to lower standards and overall lower quality, much better than standard ebike controllers though. (they also are making a brand new vesc str 500, which can do up to 500 amps cont. at 22S, 40kw). If you want an original vesc, you'd need to go to Trampa boards, but they are very expensive. Yes they have no display, (official vesc display also coming soon but like $130) but a Bluetooth module will be the best add on. And using your phone as a display is leagues better than most ebike displays. Showing all sorts of stats from battery percentage and voltage, real time usage and temps, efficiency, etc.. Most flipsky controllers *can* be updated to the latest firmware, but they will have issues! Most don't have phase filtering hardware, so if you forget to turn the setting off it will destroy the controller. My flipsky also completely failed to properly detect my motor on the latest firmware. (the motor would spin horribly and randomly stall). I had to downgrade it to an old firmware to tune my motor, then update back to the modern one to get the latest features. If you need a small amount of power, you can get 5v from the PWM + and -, since you probably won't need those for an ebike. But that's only enough for maybe some LEDs or a small cooling fan. I used 20-25 amps of motor braking current and it slows you down pretty fast. But it is not as strong as a mechanical brake, and when the motor spins slowly it has almost no effect. Regen braking is much stronger the faster you are moving, Overall vescs major downside is complexity, but for nerds or people willing to learn, they are super awesome. So versatile, and with new things like silent HFI (which can make a sensorless motor feel like it has hall sensors), very promising future.

@ChrisBuissonDIY

13 күн бұрын

All this stuff is true, thanks for taking the time to write it all out! I love my VESC, and feel like I'm always learning more. I had the same exact issue as you btw when upgrading flipsky's firmware, which is why I mentioned updating can cause motor setup problems. Reverting back did the trick for me too, then updating again to 6.0 and moving over my motor settings so I could have field weakening. I hope more people hop on the VESC train! 🚂

@JohnSmith-tz4on

2 күн бұрын

Wait did you just say that using this gives you regenerative braking?

@ChrisBuissonDIY

2 күн бұрын

@@JohnSmith-tz4on VESC firmware has the option to enable regenerative braking, yes. It can be done using a switch or throttle!

@JohnSmith-tz4on

2 күн бұрын

@@ChrisBuissonDIY wow okay I'll probably be buying that then for my cheap Varun $500 e-bike that has the PAS SET to start 270° AFTER you start pedaling... Wtf Germans

Definitely, the wiring video is needed. I got a old 6.6 dual vesc that I want to put on my mx650 with a 2000 watt motor, but I have no idea how to get the wiring done right.

Thank you so much for your channel! We moved to Ecuador (we're Americans) not too long ago to help family. I don't want to have a car but need mobility. Moped-style electric Scooters are super prevalent here, I bought one and would love to know more about what I can do to upgrade its performance. So, really liking your channel! And I am not sure how much of the things you can get in the US can be found here. Lithium batteries are definitely expensive here.

This got you a fella a like and subscribed.Keep going. I am building a 1500-watt trike.

@ChrisBuissonDIY

12 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for the positivity! Good luck with your build ⚡

Great Video. I put a VESC in an electric unicycle.

A wiring guide would be amazing

@ChrisBuissonDIY

13 күн бұрын

Coming soon!

Very interesting, sir. I'll check it out. Thanks.. good work. Peace Prospector Tripp

I recently bought the baserunner from Grintech and it sounds like a very similar experience.

I wish this video existed before I spent a bunch of money on votol controllers 😖 I can’t even connect to them to program them properly , such a tremendous pain in the ass and to top it off they are massive by comparison

@winmarkesconde5651

9 күн бұрын

im using votol not foc version, if you can tame then its a good controller. i will try vesc in the future mainly because of the size.

Subscribed! Thanks Peace Prospector Tripp

To avoid battery damage, you must also make sure the battery amps you pull does not exceed the C-rate of your cells.

Good video

Hi, thanks for the video. Did you happen to solve the problem of the safe start feature?

I have a 48v 2kw Razor MX650 and I am interested in something like this but I have questions.... Many, many questions. 😂

Neat. I’d never heard of those being used for anything other than eskate and onewheel applications. I wonder if you could configure it with wheelie assist! That would be cool. I’d love to see a comparison between this and a Kelley controller. I have one razor with a Kelley that came tuned for me and another with a cheap vevor kit that really needs a better controller.

Just FYI: Both Flipsky and Makerbase are pretty much the same, Chinese cheap corner cutting manufacturera producing controllers that use the VESC firmware and the open source designs, but they are not ”VESC”. The original VESC with the rights to the brand and which is actually made by Vedder hinself are sold by Trampa as far as I know. Those cheap ”VESC based” controllers also are often missing important components such as phase filters (to be as cheap as possible), so their performance can range from not bad, to explody and smoky. That said in the community on Discord, many people seem settled that Spintend VESCs are actually the best price/performance option if you dont want to buy the originals from Trampa/Vedder.

@4nlimited3dition_4n3d

2 күн бұрын

Also additional note, you should check some teardowns of those cheap vescs you have, they can have some build quality problems such as the caps hanging freely inside the case(as in not bolted/siliconed in place), meaning that they will snap off and/or explode over time from road vibrations. And those cheap anti spark switches most often come without in-rush protection meaning that they can self destruct in just a few tens of turn on/offs and that can result in burning down your whole bike / controller / or if you are lucky, only the switch itself.

Great Video! Will subscribe! I have smoked a few of these controllers trying to get software to work with my setup. Can you upgrade the controller firmware via bluetooth adapter and IOS app? I am running on Mac OSX and it seems they aren't replying to emails at the VESC website anymore. Anyway Cheers!

Wow, I bought a 75100 Pro last month & returned it for a 75100 Pro V2 with the key switch & voltmeter. It has a system power output for running lights & a horn it looks like. With a phone app a control screen becomes un-needed & brakes are on the com 2nd signal after throttle someone commented.

And if it can be used with a DD hub motor I would love to see any wire diagram

I have a flipsky 75100 and with a heatsink and thermal pad the same size as the back of the controller I never go over 33C even when pulling 5.5kw which is about the max I’ve gotten out of it. It could just be me but I have never gotten regen braking to work on it even though it said it supports it…

Great video, but there are tons of VESC producers. Trampa Tronic Maytech Spintend LilFocr Just to name a few

This looks interesting, but I'll need to add a rotation sensor or torque sensor to make it legal here in Europe. With just the throttle, it'll be categorised as a moped or motorcycle, requiring registration and the proper license. Any idea if that works with this?

Do these work with a screen/hud? I'm thinking about one of these controllers for my ebike. I'm running a standard KT controller 45amp max 25amp continuous. My battery is 48v 30amp BMS

are you running the hub motors on FOC?

We use Vescs in out Balance skateboards "Onewheel's" And they are starting to get nuts. I wish the user interface was a bit easier but its w/e.

About the safe start feature I had the same problem when profile set to 0 brake Don't leave it at zero and it should work at least for me it's solved the problem❤🎉

@user-tf3en1lr3z

3 күн бұрын

Hi 👋 i have the same problem can you tell me please what exactly you did?and im dont use any electric brake if its matters

@user-tf3en1lr3z

3 күн бұрын

Are you talking about the motor current max brake? And to how much you set it(and you have brake conect to the vesc?)

Oh and the boxy flipsky 75100 (The one that looks like a normal generic ebike controller with all the wires sticking out one end, but in black) tends to ship with the wrong firmware.. apparently..

Nice thanks! Can it be set up to send the regen to a supercap bank, so regen never goes direct to a battery on load? So then each time the super capbank is full it automatically recharges the batteries? Then can leave the regen on charging the very low resistance super caps? Or can act as turbo boost lol

@ChrisBuissonDIY

9 күн бұрын

Haha I don't know if that exists currently, but maybe you could build an external device to regulate the flow of current in and out of the VESC. With the stock hardware/software capabilities, regen would just go straight back to the battery.

@quantumenergysolutions9128

9 күн бұрын

@@ChrisBuissonDIY Cheers, but I dont have a workshop, or the abilities. But you are welcome to make a video attempting that? Be the first in the world to do it. I suggest hooking up the regen to the CB, and another device to manage the transfer from the CB to the BB? Problem solved lol

@TheBimmerBarn

9 күн бұрын

@@quantumenergysolutions9128 I guess I just don't understand what the benefit would be over directly charging the battery, but I'm no electrical engineer so some of this stuff goes right over my head 😂Sounds like I need to spend some time learning about super capacitors

@quantumenergysolutions9128

8 күн бұрын

@@TheBimmerBarn If you charge a battery while on load it takes more work, thats how regen braking works. But if what you are charging is separate, its very easy, almost no drag. Why no one does this is beyond me?? Try discussing this concept with GPT.

how much more efficient? i have a 72v 35Ah(50/100A) battery, 2 motor 2000W each(slightly warm at full power till bms cut off. at 25kph, 110+km at 40kph, 80+km at90kph, 20+km. what can i expect with a 75200?

There is so many different bluetooth ebike controller and why you put lower controller with those kinds controller

I have been trying to get the 75100 to work on a geared hub motor, any advice? It goes but has no power or speed, and makes a lot of noise, needs a rolling start too

@stevecumming6427

10 күн бұрын

Sounds like your hall sensor wires aren't connected & running just the 3 heavy phase wires.

@caleblower1982

10 күн бұрын

@@stevecumming6427 already verified the hall, made sure I was in foc mode, and tried the hall a few different ways because the colors are not the same

@aski1529

9 күн бұрын

​@stevecumming6427they should work with no halll sensor connected

@caleblower1982

9 күн бұрын

@@aski1529 when I put it into BLDC mode with no hall, it works but has no torque

Sorry for my ignorance but is the amp rating on any regular esc the motor line amps or the battery input amps? i find this very confusing

@ChrisBuissonDIY

Күн бұрын

On a regular ebike controller, they go by battery amps. Unless it's a controller where the battery and phase amps are separately listed.

@peterkeogh9613

Күн бұрын

@@ChrisBuissonDIY ok thanks thats very helpful

My battery has no name China cells that have a max continuous discharge of 18amps. I'm almost certain pulling more than this (30+a) would kill my range and possibly damage the cells. I'm saving up to build myself a decent 52v battery with decent BMS before tinkering with the controller..

I just got me a wxbull Controller and Made my bike slower in all aspects

@ 6:51 Analog to Digital _Converter._

Can these work good on a direct drive hub motor

@ChrisBuissonDIY

6 күн бұрын

Yeah of course! There's an option for dd hub motor in the motor setup wizard. Wiring the motor just means connecting the phase and hall sensor wires color-to-color usually, which is pretty simple. Hope that helps! Wiring video coming 🔜

@oldmanebikes8392

6 күн бұрын

@@ChrisBuissonDIY thanks

Very interesting the trade-off between low-speed hi-torque operation, and higher speed…reminiscent of the old days they had a manual lever on the steering wheel, they moved to advance the ignition timing, when they wanted more power, but they retarded the timing when going slower needing more torque. Obviously modern ICE technology, does this automatically. So I suppose that’s what’s needed here, but great vid. Question, does it allow regenerative braking/charging of the battery? The idea this is not terribly useful on a bicycle, I don’t buy into - what I would believe, is the tire wear would bust your b@llocks. Anyway, thanks for this. EDIT woops, you cover this later in vid! Thnks.

hi...good report...but you seem to know what your doing...you think....you can get an automotive wheel conversion motor...attach the fixed piece of the motor to the backplate of the brake shield...run the conductor there...also put an insert into the factory wheel for the rotor part f the motor...keep it under your hat .....you rmind me of me...better things to to... keep up the good work... god blessed you...

Wire that up to a surron motor if its possible im sold

hi...something else...try puttin a bicycle multi sprocket with a derailer on the e motor side..... mmmm.....i would check the speed limit...thanks...

ADC = Analog to Digital Converter

why stop at 72 volts, why not 96 volts or even better 192 volts!

@cobra4439

Күн бұрын

It can be hard finding controllers that support that many volts. To achieve that voltage, you need more cells and series, and if you’re working with a limited amount of space that means less in parallel, which means less maximum amps, which means less torque.

I like square wave better..more torque and takeoff power..sinewave are SLOW!!! Take off AND half the throttle is deadspace..hate it..PLUS!, square wave is a more proven, and "reliable " technology..fact

It'd not ebike

I have a 48v13ah 1500 and it's melting the wries. Can I turn it down to 46 v Will this solve the problem or do i need a larger battery. Please someone help me out. I don't know what to do. I can only go for a mile and have to Wait for the battery to build up its full power and Wait for it to cool down. Batteries are new and good I tested them.