Would you get a BCI for a better VR Immersion?

@rx4_ever886

2 ай бұрын

Not sure, but it is tempting

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Until it becomes available for entertainment purposes most likely the ones who get it for medical reasons will have been wearing it for a couple more years. So you have enough time to make a choice.

@rx4_ever886

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR thats good at least, mighty underrated channel you got here btw. I enjoyed this video

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

@@rx4_ever886 Thanks!

@rx4_ever886

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR yeah no problem bro!

I wouldn't mind waiting a super long time for full dive vr to release as long as I get to experience it in the end.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Same. Even if it comes when I'm 85, as long dementia doesn't take me until then I will be there to roleplay Gandalf until my last breath :))).

I still feel like best shot would be a headset that could put someone into rem sleep, then transfer the data into their minds. Like there's so much potential in using dreams as a means to witness full dive since everything we need is there.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Most likely the first breakthrough of BCIs towards full dive will be during the periods when we are naturally asleep and they can take advantage of that stage of rem sleep. After that, it will take some more time until they figure out a way to induce the Rem sleep whenever we want. A headset may appear even later. Because for a non-invasive device to do the same things as an invasive one, Its technology needs to be more advanced.

Hello Fellow Humans, I am permanently disabled due to Bone Cancer. So I 100% want full dive technology now. I actually applied for Neurolink and would love to get one in my head once it is faster and has more connections. I would also upload into a server if I could.

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

Hello man! I hope you'll be accepted for the Neuralink trials. I can't wait to see what they have learned together with Nolan and what improvement they can bring to future patient's implants. On the other hand, it is an entire philosophical debate about uploading yourself into a device even if we could do it. Would that be the same you, or a copy of all your memories while the real you has been disintegrated in the process? For now, we can only wait to see what the future will bring.

I want to mention one more piece of information. Ray Kurzweil, ex chief scientist at Google, a futurist and a very accurate predictor, mentions in his new book about the companies working on full sensory neural VR. His stance is on nanotechnology as it can be vastly better and vastly efficient BCI/neurotech. I’m really excited about his new book ‘The Singularity is Nearer’ especially for this piece of info (He talked about this in the Lex Friedman podcast, prediction: 2030’s).

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info. I will check out the podcast, and I may be interested in the book as well, but I've been lazy with my reading recently. Man 2030's are nothing. If he proves to be true I will build him a statue😅.

@Kitora_Su

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR You’re welcome! Another info is that I remember Elon Musk commending Ray Kurzweil for his prediction on AGI (2029). Why this is relevant? It is because AI will play a significant role in neural VR from production to running the simulations and especially in making full sensory immersion (aka FullDive) a reality. We lack data about the Brain, all we need is significant amounts of data to make neural vr a possibility with the help of AI and these BCI companies now moving into human trails all line up with Ray’s predictions!

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

You are making my day better and better. I mean, for a truly immersive VR World we also need NPCs smart enough to hold a decent conversation and act like they have actual feelings. I think AGI will be the key to this as well.

@Kitora_Su

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR haha and yes, npcs will actually feel more real than ever!

@Daarkloty

2 ай бұрын

​​@@Kitora_SuMaybe AGI will come sooner than you think

Yes I definitely would

@NokutoVR

13 күн бұрын

Same

loved your video bro subscribed

@NokutoVR

18 күн бұрын

Thanks! Happy to have you on board.

Thank you for the video! It was interesting. Hello from Ukraine!

@NokutoVR

15 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Just came across your channel! I love your accent!

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Welcome on board, and thank you for the compliment😃

The non evasive approach could work but you would have to have a wet suit like body suit that could heat and cool you also track your twitching and turn them into full action animations. Even better would be an exoskeleton so that you can set on things in VR and lift things with real world weight simulated.

@NokutoVR

28 күн бұрын

The problem with having a wet suit or exoskeleton is that most people will be too lazy to fully equip themselves every time they want to play. We need something relatively small and easy to use like the Nervegear for this approach to even get popular.

Bro give me that chip

Yep anything for full dive

@NokutoVR

13 күн бұрын

Fair point

Asgard's wrath 2 blew my mind especially for an all in one head set

@NokutoVR

21 күн бұрын

Yeah, it is an amazing game with a lot of fun mechanics and interactions. It definitely proves that you can do a lot with a standalone headset if you don't mind sacrificing the visuals a little.

hoping to be able to fulldive, giving them 60 years :D wanna try it before dying

@NokutoVR

24 күн бұрын

I hope they will do it faster, as healthy as I try to live, it will be a challenge for me to still be around for 60 more years :)))

yes i would

@NokutoVR

13 күн бұрын

Me too

on the surface it seems nice to do the implant but given how fast tech is proceeding, how many times do you need to get a surgery done just so to play the latest Fulldive VR headset? Short term it would be fun but long term ..... i measure you need to go for surgery every 2 years to make sure your neural link implant chip is up to date to support latest headset.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Now that you mention it. I never thought of this problem. Even if the procedure becomes faster and safer because of devices like the one that implants the neurolink. We still need to consider the monetary and physical cost of doing this procedure as often as once every 2 - 3 years and how easy or hard it will be to replace the outdated parts without damaging the brain. I can't think of a solution, so I will just hope that people smarter than me will find a reliable way.

@Silverxlx

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR Elon Musk has aknowledged this issue in an interview, and is aiming to develope the neuralink in a way that will make replacing it as easy and safe as possible.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

@@Silverxlx Let's hope he manages to find it, but even if the neurolink will be modular with a "dock" of some kind that can stay in your head permanently and and an upgradable part that can get extracted easily, there will still come a time when you will need to replace the "dock" itself. But hopefully it will be at a longer interval like 10-15 years.

All in, where do I sign up for my chip bwaha

@NokutoVR

19 күн бұрын

That's pretty much what I'd like to know as well. The sooner we find out the better.

In the future I'm definitely getting an implant

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah. See you in VR when they become released for the general public

I’d definitely get a BCI chip on/in my brain

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I just saw today a vlog from the first Neuralink patient in which he presented the app that helps him play games using the BCI. He is pioneering the way towards our dreams🤣.

Black Mirror has me leaning towards No on this one haha

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I respect your choice.

Yes make it happen

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

For now, the best I can do is stalk Elon and Gabe on the internet. But one day it will happen.

I can't even tell you how badly I want this to happen. I'm ugly af and absolutely hate everything about how I look. If only VR got advanced enough to the point where we could choose everything about ourselves (gender, race, etc), and it became indistinguishable from real life, it would literally be the biggest dream come true for me. It would also be dope to theoretically experience anything you want that you couldnt otherwise experience in real life (infinite luxury vacations, super magic powers, etc). I'd completely ditch the real world and live my dreams in VR 24/7 if/when it becomes a possibility. I don't even give a damn how much it may cost.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I'll most likely dich it as well. In my opinion, the question is not if it will become immersive enough, but whether we will still be around when it happens.

@capolean2902

Ай бұрын

it’s ok bro ur probably not even that ugly it’s just how u view ur self

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

@@capolean2902 Thanks for spreading the positive vibes!

Dude id get the bci in a heartbeat if it gives me fdvr, so many fictional worlds i could visit and do anything i want and be anyone, id start with the classic medieval european isekai simulation though with magic and cool stuff, id be a mage, controlling elements and summoning stuff out of thin air would be so op. whichever company invents fdvr first Neuralink or Valve or some other company im getting it and never touching regular video games again, Ray Kurzweil has predicted it will happen in the 2030's so anytime between that to 2040. Another cool use of this would be to relive your memories, deal with trauma or see a prediction of how things would go if you picked another choice of action, or simply just chill in your past a bit, but our memory is not perfect so this might acctually not be possible but who knows maybe it is.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I never thought about the possibility of reliving memories to see an alternative choice. You have big dreams, but it may be interesting if it proves to be possible. At the same time, it may bring a new wave of depressed people if the alternative outcome predicted by VR turns up to be much better the the reality the person chose.

@isakisak9989

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR i personally think most people will get over it, most of us do have boring lives and jobs, fdvr will bring way more happiness to people than sorrow, you could have experiences you cannot irl, live out all your fantasies, in some aspects it will be better than real life, il turn off sunburns, getting tired and getting sweaty and dirty in the fdvr sim, being clean 24/7 something impossible made possible since we are more or less god in these fdvr simulations.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Thinking more about this, you are right. Most people will get over it. Because the majority of people who normally enter depression in similar situations, this time will choose to completely give up on reality and will satisfy all their wishes in that world.

@isakisak9989

Ай бұрын

​@@NokutoVR im a month late but yes exactly, depressed people will get all their wishes come true in fdvr, people will not care that it's all fake when it feels real, and also you could do stuff thats not possible, magic, shapeshifting, defying logic etc, you have people paying for skins in various current games, it's not real but people obviously get some joy from it.

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

​@@isakisak9989 I really wonder how you remembered a comment from last month when I have problems remembering some of the videos I watched a couple of days ago.😅 Well maybe it's just me having a goldfish memory.

1:20 I would say even Rift S showed good results, before of Quest 2 release.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I'm not saying the Rift S wasn't an important step in the innovation of VR technology, but because of a couple of reasons, was not as attractive to the general consumer. The biggest, in my opinion, was that it requires a gaming-ready PC in order to work, and most people probably didn't have it. The price was 100 $ higher wich made some people question if it is worth, for them, to buy such an expensive entertaining device. And the fact that it has gone back to 80 hz refresh rate may have repeled even some previous VR entuziasts.

@varenzer_h8jk425

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR Completely agree with you and have no issues with your choice.

I'll get the implant I would be a willing test subject.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

Same

Yea. I'm up for transfering to 'The Matrix'. Fk this horrible world

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

+1 point for the VR Worlds

I would do it even with the risk of some mad dev locking the player base into the game. Like we tale risks everyday so this is just another one

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

If that really happens I will most likely settle on fishing every day like that old man in SAO. Or open a pet and mount shop :))

I would ...

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

Welcome to the club!

If we get the Fighting Vipers controller from Black Mirror, and it's priced in a justifiable range, I won't spend more than $800 for a video card, then yeah, I probably would go for it.

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I can bet that in a short interval after someone figures out full dive, another person will find a way to use it for this kind of... let's call it "entertainment". The main reason is that using this kind of desire of men is one of the most profitable indursties in the world.

@rx4_ever886

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR i can see that happening and as a teenager i would lowkey maybe wanna try something like that out. But imagine the shame 😭

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

I know what you mean, but this didn't stop the other products and services in this niche from becoming popular and making a lot of money. And where there is demand, there will be a provider soon enough.

@rx4_ever886

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR yeah i bet

@troyh3628

2 ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR I didn't mean specifically the sex part, having a near complete physical presence in the game world is what I was talking about, and all it took was one little peripheral that you stick on your temple.

id join invasive but not V.1 more like v.15

@NokutoVR

11 күн бұрын

I think it's a pretty reasonable decision. By v.15 most of the technological problems will already be solved.

@pktrigger2873

11 күн бұрын

@@NokutoVR we might all be in our 50s though. a shame but thats life.

@NokutoVR

11 күн бұрын

@@pktrigger2873 That's why I'm trying to live a healthy life. I absolutely refuse to die until I enjoy 1 or 2 decades of full-dive VR😅

Sign me up for an implant!

@NokutoVR

2 ай бұрын

We'll go together, maybe we will get a discount🤣

In my opinion the invasive technologies will be something great for people with disability, but also will be terrible if applied to able people. A "videogame" is just a... "videogame", it not deserves to touch directly your brain. Not a serious reason for it. I truly love videogames. I have a VR headset, love it and hope VR technology will grow fast, but I will NEVER want a "Neuromancer-like" scenery with chips on my head. A game is a game, reality is reality. We should appreciate more a hike in the nature, the reality isn't a videogame. If normal people will implant things in their brain, in the future it will be difficult to recognize what is "real" and what is "data from the chip".

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

I understand that putting a chip in your brain just for the sake of playing video games is a little extreme for most people. But in my opinion, whether we get a chip in our brain or not, as able-bodied people, will come much sooner than a video game that will use this kind of technology. Because no one will make a game if there are just a couple of people with the hardware to access it. There is still the possibility that we will take another approach towards full dive VR, such as nanobots that will be injected in us initially for medical reasons or a soundwave-based headset.

"is on Its Way" no, it isn't.

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

It depends on how optimistic you want to be. With the speed of technology and AI is advancing recently which will only grow faster, I will like to hope that we will se something at least close in 15-20 years at the latest.

Sounds like a nightmare, too many things can go wrong & people manipulated. I wouldn't trust the corps in charge of it, just like I don't now, with the technology available currently. I actually enjoy life, & understand the powers that be want you not to, & to as a result run away to what is fake, these toys. How else do they maintain & develop their power & control.

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

I'm not saying there are no risks nor do I say I hate real life. But since it will not allow me to fly on the back of a dragon, use powerful magic, or fight a building-sized monster with a rusty sword, I can only put my hopes in VR.

@Cam-opener

Ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR I like the sound of those things too, but if it requires you to give up that much to scoundrels, it will never be worth it. It's more akin to cowardice & willful ignorance that leads one to such a decision. There are far greater reasons to fight for, & live by than entertainment on its own, one of those reasons include the standard of freedom I'd leave to my children & generations of the future. I will not leave them more chains, I will not let them be cattle, I've learned the horrors of this way of thinking & it's revolting. While I'll stand on my hill & die there, entertainment & fantasy on its own is human. To have access to a non invasive, less potentially mind altering, relatively risky free form of it, then that's a more reasonable path to take in my eyes. I love life more, & feel responsibility for the people I love, than continued distraction by those who wish nothing more than to feed me & my own poison to enslave us, which will only lead to doom, not an escape from reality.

@NokutoVR

Ай бұрын

@@Cam-opener Then let's hope that a genius will appear and prove that non-invasive BCI is the better choice for the future of VR.

@Cam-opener

Ай бұрын

@@NokutoVR That sounds better yes, at least as far as can tell currently.👍