This build is incredible! Great job!!! 🍻

this bike is so sick im also building one with some birthday money i saved up can't wait to ride and pop wheelies

@1_upped

Жыл бұрын

Awesome dude!

@samsungfridge

7 ай бұрын

that's awesome dude

@CooperTroopr

5 ай бұрын

I’m doing the same, I’m hoping to get it by end of summer, but who knows?

@CooperTroopr

5 ай бұрын

I’m doing the same, I’m hoping to get it by end of summer, but who knows?

@CooperTroopr

5 ай бұрын

I’m doing the same, I’m hoping to get it by end of summer, but who knows?

this is by far the cleanest build I have seen.

Im also building an mx500 out for my wife. But the only thing razor that'll remain about it is the frame, handlebar, and swingarm (even this will be modified). Its such a satisfying feeling to begin from scratch.

We just did a mx350 build, ready for mine, your 650 turned out so badass brother!!

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

Bro deserves 10k subs or even more!

Damn bro that paint came out lookin like glass 😮‍💨 good shit❤

Nice broo

I just finished up my mx650 build vevor 2000w motor with a cheaper version of the Cozyel 48V - 72V 45A Speed Controller and a 15t front sprocket. Looking what to do next, Keep making the great content with easy to follow instructions on builds.

@forster46

Жыл бұрын

All in what do you think you have spent so far?

@kcb5336

2 ай бұрын

How long does the battery last? How fast does it go? I’d like to do about that size.

Love your video, where did you connect your 3 speed switch and yo what contactors?

Right on! just got done from a ride on my stock shunted bike lol.

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Nice!!

EXTRAORDINARIO...SUPER MECANICO...Ingeniero Mecanico (?)...Tengo una Mx650 original, recien adquirida. Solo he agregado partes exteriores (velocímetro, luces delanteras y traseras, espejos, etc). Soy "adulto": Peso 80Kg y mido 1.80 mts...Voy muy comodo, en carretera, incluso manejo por las veredas con suma cautela. Probé maxima velocidad con mi velocímetro nuevo y marcó 40 Km/h (25 millas/h) varias veces acelerando (!). Aun no pruebo la duración de la Batería, pero segun características impresas dice 40 minutos de autonomía (segun tus comentarios, equivalente entre 8 y 11 millas (13 Km y 18 Km) (?)

what front rotor did you use for the brakes/ what size

Sweet! Will that battery still allow the rear shock to mount in the bottom hole if you wanted? Thanks!

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

It comes very close for clearance.. I'd recommend keeping at least 1/2" in between

How did you wire the blinker relay

Hey sir I need to ask you some questions when you have time I did an upgrade like yours but on a smaller bike and it could be life dangering I just need some advice!

How would you wire a speedometer?

Wow. This came out really good. I was driving around and someone was throwing out a mx400. I have to diagnose whats wrong with it though, turns on but doesnt go. I do hear the control module click but i also need a charger. Cant wait to get started on it but might just do 48v, sell it and get a mx650.

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

Start by fully charging it overnight and check the voltage at the controller output tot he motor under load (with a voltmeter)

@ChaseLife2016

10 ай бұрын

Batteries 🔋

@pokingfun4008

10 ай бұрын

the motors and batteries are garbage on that bike dont bother, way easier to just get everything new electrical

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I usually toss everything electronic that comes from factory on Razors lmao @@pokingfun4008

@pokingfun4008

10 ай бұрын

@PatOutdoors yea I still need to get a new suspension the stock one is so bad 😂😂

How long does the battery last on full charge?

this looks honestly sick man, but just wondering, have you ever tried to through on street wheels on a mx350?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to on my old mx350, but couldn’t find the right size to fit the stock wheels

@umi.1498

6 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoorshow much the build cost u overall?

Question- has your motor last you cause my friend got that motor and burnt it up crispy but I was like 103 outside but idk if that was the cause but yeahhh

Can you just put a new 72 volt battery on a mx650 or will it totally ruin it?

Can you run zoom brakes with a 160mm brake rotor but with a brake adapter that Keaton from Alter ego makes that you had in the video. Thank you!!!

@PatOutdoors

9 ай бұрын

I didn't have luck with that adapter he makes.. I never ended up using it.

How does the 50amp bms work with the kvd? The kvd says it needs 75a I thought? Love the content!

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! The KVD has an adjustable "max battery current" that is adjustable through the android app. I believe the standard setting from E&C is 33% to protect the battery. I just discovered this yesterday while I'm diagnosing my 52V bike build (which also has a 50 amp BMS) and finally got a bluetooth dongle. So far so good, but I'm likely turning it down a bit to protect the battery.

@austinochs

Жыл бұрын

@Pat Outdoors thats what I assumed you could do with the controller and am greatful to hear it! I'm thinking of just trying to throw in a higher bms. Thank you for your response and guidance!

Does the light bar connected to your battery drain the battery quicker or do you see no difference? Looking to hard wire a light bar on my ebox but not sure if it will drain it that much quicker or use a separate battery for my light

@PatOutdoors

3 ай бұрын

It’s LED so it has a very very little drain, not noticeable. Keep it mind I have a switch in place for it so there’s no drain when it’s off

Never knew you rocked a btr. Be careful I’ve seen those going kaboom in the Facebook groups!

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m just riding it till it goes boom. It’s my least favorite part of this bike since it’s the limiting factory for power

@johnsherby9130

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors I’d love to see you get into building your own packs but it is quite dangerous. I’m blessed enough to have made friends with people who own a local battery building business in my city and I consult them for advice all the time because they’re amazing at it. Shoutout indy speed control! I simply can’t give them high enough praise after seeing their operation and the care they put into their craft

The best !! What size of tire would you recommend for the back without doing a notification

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

10x3.0"

@ivanherrera7171

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors did you used the same rims or you had to buy other type of rims , sorry for my ignorant questions

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanherrera7171 Just used the original factory wheels

@ivanherrera7171

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors so I just noticed that I have an Indian Razor and yours is MX650 so my tires are all the same size , sorry for all this questions

❤❤I love this video what are the things the I need to modified can some one help me I have the razor Mx650.

Can you mount the my1020 motor on a razor mx350? Picked up the kit to convert my bicycle to electric but that failed, so I'm planning on getting a razor bike. The mx350's seem a lot cheaper used than the larger mx series dirtbikes. Awesome build btw.

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! The MX350's can probably fit an MY1020, though you are working with a MUCH smaller bike with much more limited space for a decent size battery. Not to mention less space to put the controller and hid the wiring, etc, no suspension.

@Minacious_Shenanigans

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors Alright thanks, yea I bet the ride will be less than stellar but I live in a tight neighborhood so the small size would be ideal

What spray paint you use? Application looks really good

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I use Krylon Fusion: amzn.to/3PYj9CX I recommend adding a layer of clear after though for extra durability.

I’m building one like this but I took it all the way down to the frame and cleaned primed it and bought a 49cc engine kit for it to put on and some street tires

@PatOutdoors

4 ай бұрын

Your 49cc engine rotates clockwise? Or are you not planning on running a freewheel and moving the brake rotor to the right side?

@Trucks101

4 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors I just swapped the back tire to the left side to where I didn’t have to buy a gear box cause I’ve watched KZread videos about it and it’s easier to swap it than to buy a gear Box and probably will just have a front brake but I’m not sure yet

Hey man I saw that the motor you linked is 48v but the battery is 72v, does that make the 48v motor faster?

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

No. Often misunderstood, voltage has nothing to do with the motor. This is a 2000w motor that just happens to come with a 48v kit i started with before I changed the battery and controller to 72v. A more ideal motor with the set up is a 3,000w my1020 though

Love the build, dont see what type of spray paint you used for the frame, turned out great!

@PatOutdoors

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Just some gloss black chassis paint: amzn.to/3Lzor58

@TwstedTproductions

9 ай бұрын

@PatOutdoors Subbed! I'll be posting up my 72v trials build here soon! Would be happy to hear your input when the vids get rolling!

@leswhite3846

9 ай бұрын

I used rattle can bed liner spray on mine. It's holding up really good.

how much it cost?

All that anazon has left is the 30amp 72v do u know if that fits the bike to ? Or was that the one u actually got what are the dimensions on your battery

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

6.3x7.1x10.2” , this is the 20 AH model. I do not know if the 30AH would work. I suggest measuring your frame and reviewing the dimensions on the listing if you're planning on taking the risk

Bike looks sick mirror has to go lol over shoulder works best I never use them on my 1000 cc ninja and I look forward and I’m 12 o’clock lol

@PatOutdoors

7 ай бұрын

Yeah not a big fan of the mirror either, but I need it!

And how has the battery been holding up since getting it

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

Motor and battery fully functional, just did a 50-mile ride with a video up a month ago. What is your friends rider weight? The Kelly speed controller should be beeping loud if it senses hot motor temp to prevent that from happening. I’m using the electro & co tune on my controller

Hey did you ever change the chain or it’s the one from the motor from amazon

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Brushless motor kits don’t come with chains. You have to transfer the sprocket from your stock motor

Could you use the original controller that came with the motor?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but it’s not as powerful as the Kelly

Did you get the normal controller or the ultimate pre tune one

@PatOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Pretuned

Great info, good build. The key on the throttle seems like a bad idea… easy to snap a key when you drop it etc. Otherwise 👍

I have like the same set up but mines only pushing 26mph?

@PatOutdoors

5 ай бұрын

I’ve never heard of a 72 volt set up and a Kelly controller that goes that’s slow. What brand battery and controller do you have? What size front and rear sprocket? Tire size and driver weight?

Did the wheelie pegs fit without being modified?

@PatOutdoors

9 ай бұрын

Nope. I bought specific ones that have the exact same diameter hole. I did have to give up one washer on the outside to get enough threads on the original axle. Also had to have everything threaded together before installing the wheel and pegs back into the swing arm, major pain in the a$$

Did u ever find out how to wire the speed controller from the trottle to the kelly

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I changed the wiring, but still no changes to the (3) speed modes. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@elromanicobaby

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the replys and help

Whats the total build cost?

Will this setup work on the mx500 too?

@PatOutdoors

3 ай бұрын

It’s essentially the same bike, yes

What tune did you get with your Kelly Controller?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Electro and co’s pretune

What’s ur review or experience with the BTR battery ???

@PatOutdoors

Ай бұрын

My first BTR battery failed after a month, but they sent me a new one through Amazon warranty claim. This second battery has held up over a year so far though. Power is limiting vs Amorge (better) batteries. I would maybe save up for better quality batteries if you can afford it and looking to build something really fast

@KeenArmed

Ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors ok cool def gah save up for the amorge them thangs is pricey lol but I been following your builds for a while now finally gettin ready to pull the plug and start building mine

In the parts list there is a coyzel controller and a electro and co Kelly controller. You are only using electro and co Kelly controller right?

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

Kelly now yes

@jeffm5161

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors there is Kelly KLS7230S Controller and then the Kelly controller kit which one are u using

Why didn’t you use the mx650 upgrade from e&c

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

Money at the time. I upgraded this bike slowly because I could only afford a 48v set up initially

how did you take off the swing arm?

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

You stick a screw driver in the hole at the bottom once you line up the dowel, then unscrew the Allen bolts on both sides.

Wait I am a little confused, so should I get the motor you linked or a different one?

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

The link just shows exactly what I'm still using to this day. You can use any brushless MY1020 motor, higher watt rating the better. amzn.to/47M51Dn

is it possible to water proof bcs thats what i am worrying about when i use it for daily commute

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

I suppose, though it would take a lot of modification to seal the side covers to fully enclose it.

@voo0id236

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors Do you think it would be possible just to put a water proof encasing over it?

@voo0id236

11 ай бұрын

also do you know what to waterproof?

Where do I get the battery

@PatOutdoors

6 ай бұрын

Linked in the description

Do you need longer axles for pegs?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Recommend a slightly longer rear axle. It was a pain to get it all to line up with the stock axle and had to give up one washer

@husker2838

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors thanks

How far can you go on a full charge? Bike is sick!

@PatOutdoors

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I haven't completely ridden to empty, but I tried testing it on this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ioCezaaiZKSplaQ.html I did about 40 miles

I bought the same setup with 2 different controller, Kelley and Kunray (50AMP). My BTR 72V20AH with 80 BMS is keep shutting up. It does it more frequently with Kelley controller vs Kunray. I was wondering if you had similar issues?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I recommend contacting the vendor you got the battery from. Sounds like it’s defective and the issue could be covered under warranty

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

What does the voltage read when it shuts off?

@tahirhammad3153

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors 78V

@juvenalgonzalez782

11 ай бұрын

@@tahirhammad3153the reason why it shuts off it’s because your Ntc wire defects your battery cells getting hot , I reccomend Gettling a Daly BMs for your battery seems tricky it isnt KZread will show you step by step you just have to tear your battery apart that’s the downfall

@bradyhatcher2235

10 ай бұрын

What’s the price of this

What paint is that?

@PatOutdoors

4 ай бұрын

Krylon- got a link in the description

hey pat is it worth getting the 30ah 80a bms battery for this build?

@PatOutdoors

5 ай бұрын

It’s worth getting the highest rated BMS output highest voltage battery you can afford

@rainbow6replay733

5 ай бұрын

Ok I was worried about its weight and size and how can I make it fit into the tray

@rainbow6replay733

5 ай бұрын

And in this video you didn't mention the max current per in the kelly settings with this build, do mind sharing that information?

What what the total cost including the stock bike?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I would say about $2,100 at this point

KELLY CONTROLLER When u order it did u get the pre tune??

@PatOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Yes

@joelpele100

Ай бұрын

Which one did u choice bc it gives u the option to 3?

@PatOutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@joelpele100 I chose only the pretune option, but this required me to repin all the wiring on my throttle, ignition, and hall sensor plug for the motor. If you're NOT experienced or patient enough to do that yourself, you may want to contact E&C to see which other option is best for your application.

@joelpele100

Ай бұрын

Thank u so much for replying back

19:18 - It's looking great man, let's just keep it that wa.... Nevermind, I guess we'll just say that this was tire clearancing. 🤫 *nonchalant whistling* 🙄 😂

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

I had to notch the motor mounts to slide the motor forward. I also ground the housing to make sure I have enough tire clearance when it expands when I'm cruising 45-50 MPH.

How did you think about doing this?

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

I thought to myself I wanna go faster? Lol

What is the battery capacity? You said 20a but what does it mean when it says 100a or 150a , the Kelly controller can sustain 200a but does your 20a battery reach that power ?? Can you explain

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

The battery size is 20AH “amp hour”. The battery management system (bms) rated power output is 100 amp peak (short bursts), but can sustain 50 amp continuously. The controller is rated up to 200 amp, but will only deliver what the battery can provide.

@juvenalgonzalez782

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors thanks bro I’m doing my own build from 0 I’m about to make a battery hoping I done catch my house on fire lol thanks again have a good day

@juvenalgonzalez782

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors what if I were to use a 72v 20ah 100a battery in a 72v 45a controller do you think it would burn ???

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

@@juvenalgonzalez782 100A peak, usually means around 50A continuous. 45A rated Controller would be fine. A 33A controller would restrict the amount of power output though.

why pit bike brake and not on back?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Just haven't gotten to it yet!

48v motor paired with 72v battery?!

@PatOutdoors

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, still hasn’t failed to this day. It’s mostly the controller that needs to match the battery.

Whats the range??

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I did 36 miles on last week’s video, but I charged for 45 min in between. Never fell below 74 volta

I am building one as well and I might need to contact you soon

I'm guessing without a heat sink you're 100% going to smoke that motor, particularly without a temp sensor running a 14t (?) pinion. The heat sink from E&C is kind of pricy but well worth it.

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Yes, likely will happen in the long run. I'm using a 13-tooth sprocket and the Kunray MY1020 has an internal fan and the end cap holes have all been drilled out for additional ventilation. Whenever it goes, I will simply just change out for the EC4P motor upgrade.

@helicrashpro

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors I only got to 44 MPH (flat strip) with a 14 tooth, surprising you hit 50 on a 13t. I was riding for about an hour and fried the motor with that setup. Kelly controller from E&C, Kunray MY1020 72v 3000W, street tires on stock rims, stock rear sprocket. FYI the MY1020 motor has no internal fan. I know because I have taken one apart. The EC4P seems like a solid option. Wish it was available.

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@helicrashpro it actually has a lot to do with the overall diameter of my rear tire. I crammed a 10x3.5” rear tire (not recommended), so I get a slightly larger rolling distance from same motor RPM, slight cheat for top speed.

@helicrashpro

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors I'm running a 10x3", it's crazy the 3.5 gives such a speed boost. Your tire video was really helpful and why I picked the 3" tire I got. Keep up the content.

can you make a amazon list not a bunch of links?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Not everything I use is from Amazon.

@Pdxron

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoors everything from az

Why do you get a 2000w motor for a 72v battery? Isn’t a 72v battery supposed to run on a 3000w motor?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

I did this build in stages since I was on a budget and couldn't afford a 72V battery and Kelly controller in the beginning. It was running with 48V in the past. I upgrade piece by piece till I got the speed I was targeting for educational purposes. I'm planning on replacing the motor with an 11KW EC4P motor anyway when this Kunray MY1020 eventually fails. I did a 36 mile ride in it a few weeks ago and doing another tomorrow, so far so good..

@Car_Media2

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoorshow is that 72v battery holding up? And can I run that 72v with a different controller not a kelly?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@Car_Media2 Still performs like it did a year ago. I had issues with my previous BTR 48V pack, but not the 72V. You can get a generic chinese brushless controller like Cozyel, but it does not put out anywhere close to as much power as a Kelly.

@Car_Media2

Жыл бұрын

@@PatOutdoorswhat kind of options did you choose for your Kelly controller?

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@Car_Media2 Purchased through Electro & Co (pre-programmed)

Can I please have one of your old electric mini motos, Ill happily pay for it

How much in total for this build

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

About $1,500 on top of the cost of the bike.

@jeffm5161

11 ай бұрын

@@PatOutdoors oh ok thx so much; did you buy the bike brand new? And if so for how much

@PatOutdoors

11 ай бұрын

@@jeffm5161 Yes I bought the bike new: amzn.to/47drPfd

Price total?

@Brayden_G2024

3 ай бұрын

Over 1K

i want to buy it

@PatOutdoors

10 ай бұрын

Do it!

@MastersoftheTimeline

10 ай бұрын

how much was the whole build? @@PatOutdoors

nvm about the comment on the other video I found this haha

I thought you couldn’t use a 48v motor with a 72v battery

@PatOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

That’s where the term “overvolted” comes from

Can you just put a new 72 volt battery on a mx650 or will it totally ruin it?

@PatOutdoors

19 күн бұрын

You cannot. It will immediately fry the controller