I know a lot of locals are looking to Las Vegas as an affordable alternative to Hawaii. I think this story from the Associated Press does a pretty good job at explaining the predicament that many locals find themselves in. Most national stories about Hawaii tend to be tourist- or volcano-related, so I'm glad that this story is out there to explain why it's a tough decision to move away from Hawaii.

@sammatsusaka823

Жыл бұрын

But where are people going after LAKE MEAD GOES DRY?

@JoeYatesAlaskanFilms

Жыл бұрын

I'm a visitor from Alaska. While we are here on O’ahu, we noticed (this time) how many golf courses there are here. Since that land is already cleared, it would be great to build a community of houses/apartments in that space- specifically for livable places for locals - people who were born here to live. Even if it's just one course. There are plenty of others for people can play a game. People can stay in their homeland. Keep their culture going. Keep Hawai’i - Hawai’i.

@tednguyen7258

Жыл бұрын

hawaii is land of the rich....they dont poor ppl

@islandsnow

Жыл бұрын

@@sammatsusaka823 that’s the misconception. Vegas has years worth of reserve. They will cut off arizona and California before Nevada so water is not of concern. We’re taking about decades still.

@carpy1252

4 ай бұрын

@@islandsnow People tend to forget that Nevada has the Colorado river cutting through it.

Born and raised on Oahu, but just moved to Vegas by myself at 19 years old in 2021. I personally don’t miss anything about home other than friends and family, but Vegas has given me everything that Hawaii couldn’t. Being here has given me a great start to my adult life that I know Hawaii wouldn’t have given me. It’s been a huge blessing and hope that more local kids would try because at the end of the day Hawaii will always be there to visit when needed.

Chris, you eventually get over "the hurt" or sadness of leaving Hawaii. The shocking realization of the improvement of quality of life for you and your family when you're now thriving and not just surviving makes the transition overwhelmingly enjoyable more than you expect. With technology, staying connected with family and friends in Hawaii is much easier. And with the money you are now saving having moved off the `aina, you could always fly back. Having been 18 years here in Ohio, I definitely do not miss the struggles of my parents and my family growing up in Hawaii...its a distant afterthought.

@jenanalleman6285

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I can imagine that as much as you miss home, you don't miss the stress that comes from struggling to survive.

@freshprinceofdarkness

Жыл бұрын

I had the exact opposite reaction. I moved to Vegas and stayed 2 years. Never got over the home sickness. Took the first job I could find back here in Hawaii and moved back. Been back here 5 years again and glad I came home. Vegas was ok, no complaints other then the locals who grew there seemed snobby. Always complaining about the strip and transplants etc… found the California transplants to be much more friendly. All in all I’m glad to be back home, but I know it’s not permanent.

@DerfLrak

Жыл бұрын

Dang.. Hawaii to Ohio, that’s a move.. I’ve lived in Ohio my entire life, I’m so tired of being here. I don’t mind the summer, in fact that’s what I love most. But man do I hate the winter. Im so tired of the cold, the rain, the snow , and the overwhelming gloominess. I get so depressed once winter rolls around and I’m so sick of feeling this way. 26 years of Ohio life has really gotten to me. However I can’t leave because this is where family is, and that’s what matters most.

@1232bluejays

Жыл бұрын

Ohio😂 seriously?

@joelbyrnes9710

7 ай бұрын

I'd love to hear more on your perspective. I grew up in Ohio and anybody who grows up their has the general understanding, it's your own little slice of hell. What do you enjoy aside from the easier time with money?

I'm Native Hawaiian but was born and raised in the SF Bay Area. My family came over from Honolulu in the late 1950's for more opportunity, better education and more affordable housing. Los Gatos, CA is a special place that will always be my real hometown. Hawaiian and other Polynesian culture is well represented throughout the Bay Area, Sacramento, the Central Coast and Southern California.. I never felt a lack for that. Although I LOVE trips ''home'', Hawaii itself feels very isolated to someone who grew up on the mainland. I'm always ready to go back to California after a couple of weeks.

@alexcarter8807

Жыл бұрын

Los Gatos is pretty nice, and not too far from Santa Cruz, get surfing, fishing, li'dat.

As a local resident of Las Vegas, I love it when Hawaiians come here, because they bring positive vibes with them from Hawaii. I work in casino industry , and I have great co- workers who are from Hawaii, they are great people to work with. I’ve also noticed , their aloha spirit may gradually fade due to the rough environment here in comparison to Hawaii, but keep up with the spirit and fight to keep it !🤙🤙🤙

Born and raised in Hawaii moved to Las Vegas in 2001 and have thrived a lot more affordable. We never wanted to leave our home but we also didn’t want to live with mom and dad. We now have our own home and can make ends meet . We miss Hawaii a lot but we have to sacrifice for our kids and give them opportunities that Hawaii could not. Believe me it wasn’t easy being away from Ohana and the ocean (which is where We spent most of our time) but we wanted better chances for,our children to succeed.

If people struggle month to month; there is no saving for kids college, no saving for retirement, no ability to help your parents. The reality is, Hawaii is for people with money.

@tednguyen7258

Жыл бұрын

living broke is no fun

I used to watch your videos when we were still living on the continent. It helped when I was feeling homesick.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for the email. Appreciate you following-up. 🤙

I left Oahu in 1990; no regrets I had the same concerns for my own longevity in Hawaii. Las Vegas gave me my education, family, job & most of all my life. I’ve met long time friends here & met my late husband. In short, Vegas has given me everything & more. Don’t knock it until you try it!! Yes prices are on the rise but I have everything that I need here in LV…would I move back? Idk but something has got to give for all yall.. ❤

I’ve just spent 15yrs living in Henderson (Las Vegas). I’ll just say everything is new and clean even the roads. There’s a huge reason why I think that this is the best place to live. The mountains and trails are amazing. The weather is wonderful, yes it can be hot at times, making the night life all the more amazing.

Excellent reporting It’s with much sadness to hear the reality of the local people here in the state. My son had to move to Oahu from Kauai with his 7 kids and are now living in a 4bedroom house bringing it to a total of 16 people in the house. Education is a priority for his family and the ages of the kids range from 15 to 3. The ohana is strong in the faith and they are making it work. We hope that they never have to choose the option of leaving our island but the reality that you have shared makes me tremble to hear of the alternatives left to the Hawaiian people. Mahalo for your insight

Sacramento County is a great place you're close to San Francisco Berkeley the mountains are right behind you you can travel lots of places from there the work situations pretty decent and there's plenty of things to do in Sacramento as well plus there's two major rivers running through it the Sacramento and the American River so you can play in the water during the summer. I wonder why people want to move to Las Vegas you're way out in the middle of nowhere with really hot Dusty Summers don't understand the draw.

Crazzzzyy. My wife and I decided yesterday it’s time to leave Hawaii and move to Vegas. We just can’t survive here and it sucks. I been following you for awhile. Love the great content about our Home. First thing I see today is this post. You’re on it 🤙🏼 Haven’t watched yet but im sure it’s on point as usual. Aloha.

@bigkanak797

Жыл бұрын

Vegas is overrated. Texas, Oklahoma,Kansas, Idaho, Utah worth checking out.

@SNR_Hawaii

Жыл бұрын

@@bigkanak797 Shoot Bradda mahalos for the suggestions. I would try if I was young but I already lived in Vegas before and know my ways around and can get work easily. It wasn’t bad for me at all and im ready to go back.

@bigkanak797

Жыл бұрын

@@SNR_Hawaii rajah dat. Been 15 years since I moved. Thanks to the donkeys that run Hawaii now, I’m glad to be where I am. Good luck to you Hawaiian. Hawaii is wherever you are.

@SNR_Hawaii

Жыл бұрын

@@bigkanak797 mahalos my Bradda. Gonna be tough leaving parents behind but if I set it up right I can have them move up with us eventually. Good looking out and mahalos 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Good luck on the move. And can always come back to visit. 🤙

I lived in Hawaii for 4 year’s. First time I experienced reverse discrimination. I had a good time but it was inspite of the locals not because of them. Saw so many just existing and feeling they were victims. Hawaii is a beautiful place. I really enjoyed the food, weather and tropical beaches but never felt that aloha spirit. All my friends were transplants from others places.

@dustinmiller2775

Жыл бұрын

There is no "reverse discrimination". You are either discriminating or you aren't.

@rivers8517

10 ай бұрын

I felt the discrimination too. Id call to ask about a rental posting and when the person heard I didn't have the Hawaiian accent they would just hang up. many other situations too. The thing is you cannot change Hawaii or the people. You have to adapt or it won't work. Personally I understand that but I just did not like being broke all the time so I moved back to the main land to make money and buy a house.

Born and raised on Oahu with some Hawaiian blood, live in Henderson / Vegas now. Life here is so much more enjoyable here with pockets of the Hawaii feel sprinkled throughout the valley. Highly recommend it! I will always miss the beaches I enjoyed as a kid growing up, but it's a much easier sacrifice than trying to live in Hawaii. I am always trying to get my family/friends to move here. If you visit or come to Vegas, there are a ton of restaurants with local food: Unko frank's (my favorite!), Aloha kitchen, Makai's, and many more.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for sharing. That would be a fun trip. Visit all the Hawaii things in Vegas.

Growing up in the Bay Area of California, I did see that big melting pot of cultures here and even have met a few Native Hawaiians that moved here. My 5th grade teacher was from Hawaii and I remembered she brought and implemented the aloha spirit and culture within her classroom and even founded the hula club at my school. Although she has admitted to missing her homeland, she was content with where she was now and stays true to her roots with pride. Mahalo to her for bringing the aloha. 🤙

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for sharing 🤙

You have a real knack for talking about the tragedies Hawai'i natives as well as Kanaka deal with to hold on to what we have left to us. Your tone and compassion comes through, I appreciate you. ALL peoples born on different states and countries have a "link" an "attachment" to the place...that land. The fact that Hawai'i born people and pick out other Hawai'i born in a crowd, just by a feeling or the sound in their voice or even the way they walk, speaks volumes to how we are all linked to one another and our home. Thank you for sharing this topic! Mahalo Nui

We (wife and 2 small girls) left in '89 on purpose to California for my job with the federal govt and allow my two girls to get a proper education.. The girls grew up in Cali, and my wife and I worked and retired in cali. Our goal was to work, retire, and return. We did all of that. Our life in cali was great, we left many friends in cali. However, our hearts were always in Hawaii while we were away. Hawaii is our homeland and we returned. No regrets on our move the girls are grown and well educated and financially well off in their lives and with their family. I completely empathize with those who leave. Thank you for sharing your heart and your thoughts.

A lot of islanders and Hawaiians here in Utah where I live. It's very safe and family friendly here vs Vegas, in my experience. 🤫

As a born and raised kamaaina local style Japanese 🍡 boy from the late 90s and early 2000s all the way to 2021 while I am depressed, and almost empty in my soul for our home state in it's current pathetic expensive situation of housing crisis It's the native Hawaiians like this I feel the most powerful empathy towards. All us other guys, Japanese, Haole, Black, Latinos, Filipinos etc even if born and raised Hawaii, it's sad enough as it is when we are forced to leave our paradise state due to housing but the Native Hawaiians is just pure cruelty. It's their land. Native Hawaiians should only ever leave Hawaii if it's their choice and they truly want to experience something different. They should never be forced out their land. No one should, not my mixed race family of kamaaina either but especially not the native Hawaiians since they are priority #1 in Hawaii. At least. They should be. Aloha. Keep the spirit of better days Hawaii wherever you are is all I can say for now because the worst thing to happen is have our culture get diluted and eventually Extinct.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for the comment. Great points. 🤙

@alexcarter8807

Жыл бұрын

Racism. Nice.

@user-84-rg9-8n2

Жыл бұрын

True. But are the aforementioned groups willing to Yellow Flight, White Flight, Black Flight for Native Hawaiians? Many already have, but among them are the Native Hawaiians themselves.

@StyleshStorm

Жыл бұрын

@@alexcarter8807 my comment is racist? elaborate.

@carlojones833

Жыл бұрын

​@@StyleshStorm racism, like the irony of a white person telling a Native American to go back to your country.

I just don’t have the right words! I get so angry that our Aina is being sold to rich outsiders that have no connection! So sad! I believe without Kanaka Maoli there is no Hawai’i!!

@Greenliight

Жыл бұрын

I’m a native but I have a question, do you think it’s “selfish” to keep the land all to locals only and wouldn’t you say the economy is what it is because of the visitors? Job opportunities have over quadrupled since the start of tourism and that’s the same with many small towns in the mainland. I think a healthy balance is the key to a thriving community and if the locals keep pushing away “outsiders” then I don’t know how Ohana Hawaii truly is.

@carolyninman3269

Жыл бұрын

@@Greenliight my reply has nothing to do with tourists or small businesses. It refers to large land and those who purchase condos and homes that they use for profit most don’t live here! Kanaka Maoli would not call themselves native!

@Greenliight

Жыл бұрын

@@carolyninman3269 well my apologies it sounded like anyone who wasn’t born and raised here isn’t as welcomed. Sorry

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the points you brought up 🤙

@DIJITALSON

Жыл бұрын

Its quite evident what “the plan” truly is. They will have pushed all of you out to have the jewel all for themselves. Its as clear as daylight. Whawhai e hoa mā. Kaua e tuku i ou pupuri! Its your birthright. E tū e te iwi “kanaka māoli”. Get your land back.

Relatable in many ways.. moved to LV in 2019 and in 2020 the pandemic happened. Fell it was better being out here. In Nov 2021 flew to the big isle for a few weeks to pack up my mom and relocate her to LV with us. She was diagnosed with Alzhiemers. Found that it was easier and cheaper to relocate her than we move back.

Thank you for sharing this story.

Aloha, Interesting v log. Very intrigued by the story of a family which chose to move back to take care of their mother. Yes, it’s a huge struggle to stay in Hawaii, one can see the stress on the faces of the locals, but somehow the Aloha spirit always keeps them smiling and happy. Since we are dealing with an Island economy, with lots of limiting factors, it’s going to be difficult for the coming generations to stay on the Island, especially when the mainland offers better career and economic opportunities. That’s just the way it’s been, just as lots of immigrants who came to this promised land from distant countries for a better future, the same factors will compel the locals to move to the mainland. Mahalo for another great v log.

@judyoshiro9129

Жыл бұрын

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Great topic and a good discussion. People connect with their experiences not just the land, weather, food, car etc. ct from sf/ca.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

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Kupuna born and raised on Maui. When I left in 1986 I told myself that I'd be back. After 13 years in the Northeast we had finally saved enough money for a down payment on a Hawaiian house. But after 7 years back in the islands we realized that we couldn't afford to raise our two children in Hawai'i. So we moved to Texas. I spent 5 years of flying back and forth every time my parents had a medical issue. My dad passed in 2017. I moved back to Maui in 2020. My mom passed in 2021. My biggest regret is missing most of my parents' last years.

I grew up that way, going to the beach, surfing, bodysurfing, also fishing, finding glass floats, all kinds of fun, picking shells, plus hiking .... it was everyday when I was a kid/teen.

I come home two weeks out of the year and go to the beach each day. The equivalent of the previous decade as a resident

Where do you escape back to when your home is the expensive place you're trying to find relief from lol. That part had me chuckling in agreement. Great video, thanks

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, kind of hard. I guess that's why Hawaii people like to visit Vegas and Japan. Spend plenty of money and come back to the grind.

I chose NM. Same like HI but different host native culture. Very interesting place and underrated place for Hawaiians, but I do meet them occasionally. You see cultural mixes in CA and NM, different mixes, but interesting in seeing how other cultures govern.

Aloha Nephew, Thank you for continuing this conversation. This is a dysfunctional economic situation. You are documenting a process that is well-underway. Also, Hawai'i without Hawaiian culture and community makes this simply a resort island. This is a sad loss.

In 1997, I had the privilege of sitting down with the late Richard Marks at the one bar on Kalaupapa, after his tour, and having a beer with him. He told me that some of the residents wanted to move to Kingman, Az. There will never be a guide like him or anyone with his knowledge of Kalaupapa.

What is in Sacramento? Much cheaper housing, well-paying and stable government jobs, and a non-stop flight on Hawaiian Airlines every morning.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

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Wow! You only went to the beach once a year growing up! I guess we are lucky on north shore where we can walk to the beach any time and go often.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was a townie, even though I grew up in Kaneohe.

I moved to San Francisco from Maui in '97. I was surprised how many Hawaiians were in the Bay Area. I now live in Vegas because San Francisco became too expensive. I was able to purchase my home here for what the down payment was on my home in the Bay Area. Maui was so very expensive and traveling for a weekend away was crazy. If you have family or friends you're lucky. Even with our discounts outer island travel was so very expensive. Here we can drive short distances and see so much. Welcome to Vegas. Aloha!

Once born and somewhat raised in Hawaii and than coming to the mainland Hawaii never leaves your heart. My family is from the Portuguese & Puerto Rican migration over to Hawaii few hundred years ago and are very settled into the Hawaiian culture and for me it was just very hard having to leave Hawaii as a kid and coming here to the mainland having to take speech classes to break the pigeon talk I feel robbed of what I knew and what I called home. I only dream of moving back but the prices is what scares me the most I guess is why I haven’t.

Wow I'm left with mixed feelings after watching this video, didn't expect the Purdy ohana to return but shows that Hawaii is unique, you have to grow up here to understand why they did come back, good luck to the Purdys & anyone else going thru , as usual you hit the nail on the head, mahalo

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wasn't expecting that either. Hope they continue to make it, like many of us are trying to do.

Lived in wisconsin and DC for total 20 yrs and now in hawaii for 30yrs. I said I would NOT die in my long johns and minus 20 weather lol !! Hawaii is now my second home n Bali is my next one... a matter of whats important for elderly healthcare and going back to your birthplace... but i can say that Hawaii is paradise for me. Got to be race blind and be flexible, not rigid and be creative to live here . Be an international minded person and find the gold nuggets in your surroundings . Am enjoying multi cultural cuisine, friends n perfect weather. Stay humble and count your blessings. Keep the Aloha spirit alive.

I grew up near LA, about a 40 minute drive from the beach with easy traffic. I regret not going to the beach more, but I totally relate in that I also don’t feel like I missed out on that much.

I can imagine that as much as it hurts to leave home, there's probably massive relief that comes from being able to actually live and not just struggle to exist. Stress takes a major toll on not just mental health, but physical health and if moving away to somewhere where you can afford to have a better quality of life and alleviate that stress allows you to flourish, then it's no contest. The struggle to survive in a place that's so expensive is unrelenting and having that massive weight reduced or removed can be life changing. I would think that for some struggling locals, they might even come to resent Hawaii. I wonder what happens if Hawaii becomes even more expensive? Does it become a destination for only the wealthy with any remaining locals working in service of the wealthy and living in cramped dorm style high rises similiar to factory workers in China? It sounds dystopian and exaggerated, but could become reality of things are allowed to continue unchecked.

All the feelings and experiences are the same for us, the other way around. The conditions now here changes a lot but somehow similar to the mainland, cost of living wise. For retired seniors, adapting to the situations is the only way. Thanks for a great observations...

I live in Rhode Island about an hour from the beach. Most people I know can't afford to vacation or live near the beach because wealthy people from Boston, NY, and New Jersey have bought up all the coastal properties. It doesn't only happen in HI. Also, there are lots of people on the mainland that need to move hundreds or thousands of miles from home to find a good job with reasonably priced homes and rentals.

@christopherturco197

Жыл бұрын

You got that right! I live back in RI after having lived in HI for more than 20 years. My family is here in Westerly (known far and wide for its beaches - Misquamicut Beach included - as you know) and the upward pressure on real estate prices from outsiders is ridiculous. After my brothers and I sold the family homestead last year following the deaths of my parents, I didn't think I'd be able to afford to rent in the area, let alone buy a place. I managed to get lucky but still wonder how long I'll be able to continue to afford to live here. Ideally, I'd like to move back to HI, but that will be a stretch even if the economy improves any time soon.

Aloha 🌺 Yes there is some things about Hawaii that exist no where else. Lived in Australia for a year as a Nanny. Calls from home hurt your heart with one word 'Howzit'

@judyoshiro9129

Жыл бұрын

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Your right, there arn't enough people of any kind of people to make a majority, I like this, it's a humbling experience. I could never, understand why native Hawaiians left for Vegas or Miami, now I do.

Oh…. One more thing, people are much .. much .. friendlier an seem to smile more in Hawaii…!

Ahh, I live at the Bay Area, growing up we have a one bedroom apartment for 5 people. Now there's even more of us but we got 2 bedrooms now! We all have 2-3 jobs here in CA too.. Atleast in our household, my mom works for an eyeglass manufacturing and works at Walmart at night. I work as a technical writer during the night and a sales counselor at the retirement home during the day. My husband works at FedEx at night and works as a manufacturing associate in the morning. It's tough in CA too. My extended family now lives in Vegas.

@RayQ101

3 ай бұрын

I would move to SoCal, your money goes further at least. That sounds miserable.

I moved in 2013 with a car and some clothes and got a job at a casino. Best decision I ever made. I could never find a job that would allow me to earn enough to buy a house or enjoy life back in Honolulu. Now I do and I can’t ever imagine moving back to Oahu. The world really does open up when you move out from Hawaii.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for sharing. Great to hear that you've been able to buy a house.

According to a recent Redfin survey, Sacramento is where Bay Area people and others across the country have been moving to for housing affordability. Sacramento is a medium sized city, not too big, not too small. It’s close to Lake Tahoe, Napa, and San Francisco. Also, demographically one of the most diverse cities in the US. Largest employer is the State of California, with great government pensions. Drawbacks are allergies living in a valley, and 30 days near 100 degrees during the summer.

Would be cool if you can make a trip to Vegas and do a video on your impression of the Aloha spirit there.

Thank you 😊 💓

Part of the reason we moved the the PNW. There are so many Hawaii people in Vegas. A house like we got would have gone in Hawaii for at least $1.5-2M We can afford to LIVE here and not just survive.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, so much cheaper. But even the PNW is getting expensive.

I was sad for us to move away from our aina in Waipio to the Bay Area for economic reason.. primarily, employment and a home to called our own. simply put, I would not be able to own a 3,000 Sq. ft. home and gainfully employed. I know the sacrifices., we have put up with not having our brothers, sisters, cousins, parents, grandparents and friends around during birthdays & holidays, we especially missed the 70-80’s warmth year round in Hawaii. So, it’s a trade off. We loved to be back home, but for now…. We have to just put up and enjoy an annual home visit and hope someday that we will be back home during our golden years. Aloha for now..!

@melanieathwal4038

Жыл бұрын

With the cost of real estate in the Bay Area, you could easily sell and move back to Hawaii. You would probably have to downsize tho, 3000 sq ft for 1500 sq ft 2 baths vs 4. We are in WA where prices are ridiculous compared to when we moved here in 1978 and consider it at times. Retired now. We like to travel and aren’t done with our bucket list yet. With the exception of the Orient, It’s easier to get places when you don’t have to also go across the Pacific Ocean. Quality of life is good for us. Thankfully my children all got homes before the real estate market went nuts! One of my kids is in the Bay Area as well and wants to get out to move back up North to be near us. That kind of puts a damper on thoughts of returning to Hawaii. One son has fiancée on the Big Island and is thinking of going there. If he sells his home he could buy that ranch he wants in Hawi. Trying to get us to go too but that’s probably not going to happen. At our age we need to be near good medical facilities. Honolulu I would consider but I still have daughter and grandchildren here and the oldest wants to move here too. The best we could do is get a condo and live there part time like all the other reviled out of town buyers.

@derekho6750

Жыл бұрын

@@melanieathwal4038 yes, we will sell for sure in the near future.. but for now, the real estate market is hampered by the current post pandemic economic uncertainty & the impact of fed interest hike. But yes, I will be selling within the next five year and return to Hawaii where we called home & thats where my heart will alway be..Aloha !

@melanieathwal4038

Жыл бұрын

@@derekho6750 tried returning in 1985. Sadly the interest rates hampered that effort too. At that time, interest rates were somewhere between 15 and 17%. When they dropped to 9 we were tickled to death! 6% still not too bad. Unfortunately that has put a damper on folks that never experienced the interest rates of the 80s, Market value of homes have gone down with the rise in interest rates. It seems there’s never a “perfect” time to sell and move. If in the market to BUY nows a good time. Prices stabilizing and bidding wars have slowed. Buy now, refi later. All you got to worry about is a job. For retirees the time is ideal, if still in the job force, not so much. Hard to take a pay cut to live somewhere expensive IF you can find a comparable job. Good luck. I hope you can realize your hopes and dreams.

I just moved here. Love it so far

it is hard when you return after years on the mainland. However, the family will always draw you back, it did for us and I'm sure for you. But in the end, family over rode stuff. We accepted that and were returned willing and are moving forward. Aloha.

Yep. I have lots of family and friends who moved to Vegas many years ago because of more job opportunities, no state taxes, etc. If you like dessert living, you should have no problems.

Just a face update to the fact check. We actually did have a genuine dollar store in Hilo side big island in the late 90s but it closed somewhere in the early 2000s. Once upon a time we had it.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

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Not Hawaiian, however my family immigrated to Hawaii in the eighteen hundreds and mostly lived on Kauai. After statehood my family received US passports. Over the years they began to move away because of cost of living and lack of work. They moved to Las Vegas where I grew up, would visit my grandparents and uncle’s and aunt’s over the years. Now none live in Hawaii it’s sad that Hawaiians can’t afford their own homeland. But know many who live in Vegas.

First to answer your question, the housing market has gone up during the pandemic because remote workers decided to buy houses instead of renting close to home. So the housing went up. Now, hybrid working is here to stay. One still has to come to the office even just once or twice a week. Housing market will continue to cool off as the workers are going back to the office. Do not go to Vegas. There is one thing you need to know. Vegas is running out of water. Do some research on Hoover and Lake Mead. Stay where you are and think of a second income business. A lot of priced out CA folks moved to Vegas and AZ to get bigger houses and most of them regret now. The water is very hard over there.

@AGhostInTheMachine

Жыл бұрын

nope. housing prices went up because interest rates went down

@minc4970

Жыл бұрын

@@AGhostInTheMachine Agreed. But that is an obvious one.

@AGhostInTheMachine

Жыл бұрын

@@minc4970 they're all obvious

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for the heads up about the water issue in Vegas.

Grew up on Kauai from age 2 to age 8. Moved here to Vegas in 78 due to my dads job. Been here ever since. For me, never been a fan of the culture here in the desert. Mainly the casinos and such. Would always have to travel to Cali to get my Ocean fix. Decent, but nothing like home.

Have you been to Sacramento? I considered moving to Sac a few years ago. The location speaks for itself close to lots of natural wonders, National Parks, San Fran, Napa, still within driving distance to the ocean (important to many islanders) When I was looking Sac it was still affordable.

I echo all of your points! Many of my coworkers make a nice living, and try to save for retirement the best they can. Although for the most part, their retirement is going to be less than 66% of what they were making when gainfully employed. Therefore a good percentage of them will live and work here, pay their mortgage, and raise their families the best they can afford. Although when it comes time to retire, they'll make whatever equity they can from their property and move on to Las Vegas. Due in large part in an attempt to live comfortably on the 33% reduction in income. They don't really wish to leave our islands, although their plan was put into motion when they first landed their full-time employment, and started looking for a place to buy. Reality is what it is.

The sad thing about this migration out of Hawaii is that once you move out the window closes and it’s nearly impossible to move back (unless you win the lottery or come upon a bucket of money). This happened to my family of five kids who moved away from Kailua as we couldn’t survive on the lower paycheck even with college degrees. My parent felt left behind and ended up selling their home and moving to Japan because we were scattered over the mainland. We live in the expensive Bay Area and now the same is happening to our adult children. My daughter moved to Baltimore and my son has been living with us since he graduated from college as he cannot afford a studio apartment in San Francisco where he works. And I feel our little family is scattering like we did in Hawaii. My Hawaii family is now in Illinois, Washington, California, Maryland and Japan and it pains me to be so disconnected.

@HelloFromHawaii

Ай бұрын

Mahalo for sharing. As this happens more and more, I'm not sure what Hawaii can do to keep families together. It seems to stem from lack of housing opportunities, even if those are affordable rentals. I know it's not ideal, but at least it could keep local kids near their parents while they move up in their careers.

I dread that this day might happen to me too. As a Native Hawaiian even if i bought a condo here theres going to be day that i can't doing anymore and have to move on so that my family has more opportunity in the future.

I'm surprised more people don't notice Lake County California you can buy a three-bedroom house for under $250,000 bucks. You can get them even cheaper it's just how big of a house you want. I guess the job thing is what keeps most people out cuz you have to go to Santa Rosa or Napa to get a good paying job and that's about an hour commute. In the county you either have to work for the county casinos or the energy departments to make a decent wage

@briangarnier5714

Жыл бұрын

Right in my own community in Lake County there are several Hawaiian families who have lived here for years who say they enjoy it. The weather is not as hot as Sacramento we get Coastal fog five or six times a year which keeps it much cooler and we even get 2 inches of snow once in awhile. But back to Sacramento you've got a lot there where I live it's just beautiful country with not a lot of people but close to things less than 2 hours to San Francisco Sacramento the mountains are three and a half hours away the coast is an hour and a half away so Lake county is pretty well situated and still in expensive compared to the rest of California

I'm currently looking for rentals on the west side and I can't find any 3br 2ba house/townhouses for under $3,000 it's wild.

In WA state, for some ho'ike, the openning ceremony is done by the local native American tribe.

Me and My Sister plus her family rented Town house apartment in Waipahu, and every Month the rent is $3,000 for 3 bedroom. Now I live in Las Vegas and it’s so much cheaper. 😮

30 YEARS AGO, WHILE LUVING IN OREGON, WENT TO A BEACH PARTY ON THE OREGON COAST WITH MY FELLOW HAWAIIANS. MANY LIVED ON THE OREGON COAST, HAD TO LIVE NEAR THE OCEAN. AT THE TIME, FOUND OUT THERE WERE MANY LOCALS WORKING AS PRISON GUARDS AT THE OREGON STATE PRISON!!

Interesting how Vegas is called the "Ninth Island" by Hawaiians. It's no surprise because Vegas and Hawaii are worldwide tourist attractions, and their tourism sides are in a chronic 24-hour "party mode" more or less. Ever hear of a casino being closed? I'm in San Diego County which is a hardcore tourist attraction itself. Disneyland is in Anaheim in Orange County, but it's only an hour or so drive from where I live. Being a SoCal native, I've heard my whole life people bitching about how expensive it supposedly is to live in California. As someone who's struggled through low-wage jobs my whole life, sooner or later you contemplate the thought of moving to another state which is supposedly cheaper to live, and will hopefully offer a better "quality of life" as a result. In recent years, I've even considered moving to Vegas myself. On the topic of Vegas, other desert furnaces like the Phoenix and Tucson metro areas of Arizona come up for consideration, too. I know Hawaii has pricey real estate like a lot of California. Some places in Cali are more pricey than others, like Palo Alto, the Bay Area or Silicon Valley in general. Those places have been called the "home of the working-class millionaire." The real issue here is "opportunity and quantity of income." If you're in Hawaii working three or whatever low-wage jobs, how much more do you think your "quality of life" will improve if you move to a "cheaper" place to live working similar jobs, wages and hours? Will your quality of life be better working 60-80 hours a week at or near minimum wage in Vegas, Phoenix, or a midwest or southern state as opposed to Hawaii or coastal California? Will you be able to get better jobs or careers in the "cheaper" states? You should also look into the "hidden costs" of living in such-and-such "cheaper" places. Rent and housing may be somewhat cheaper in Vegas or Phoenix than Hawaii or SoCal. But what about utilities, namely air conditioning and especially water in the desert furnaces? I've read of summer electric bills in Phoenix being as high as $400-$500 a month. I've heard of Arizona people paying for water by the HOUR. Harsh climates cause more wear and tear on things, living and non-living, than milder climates. Insurance, taxes and other expenses may be higher. The "cheaper" state to live in may not be nearly the bargain you thought. How about home life? Family life? Culture? Crime? Recreation? Going back to Vegas, it's not exactly a family-oriented place. Nor is Vegas particularly known for having low crime. If you're able to work less, what will you do with your extra free time? It's so hot outside much of the time, you may not even want to go outside, except at night which is when all the riff-raff like to come out. And thus the elephant in the Vegas room - where will you go for fun, day or night? One of the endless casinos where you can blow your paycheck over the weekend? Do you like gambling? Casino gambling is known to be highly addictive. With the exception of poker and perhaps blackjack and craps, most casino games are little more than legalized loaded shell games. Slots are the backbone of any casino, and those hotels were not built by winners. I'm not even mentioning the races or sports betting. If you were working multiple low-paying jobs before moving to Vegas, chances are you'll be working in a casino which will test your resolve whether or not to gamble on your free time with your paycheck you or your family depend on. I've heard of Arizona being called an economic "black hole" where people are drawn to the hype of the Sun Belt, only to be trapped by low-wage jobs and not-cheap expenses that prevent them from moving back home. Vegas seems like it could be very much the same and more. I know the struggle is real because I've gone through it myself. I see a lot of remorse and homesickness in these other commenters who moved from Hawaii. I know Chris doesn't want to move so he should keep expanding his opportunity and quantity of income. I agree with Chris in why you'd want to go to Vegas on vacation. We have "card rooms" in SoCal where, sans craps, I can get the only gambling action I'd want - poker and maybe blackjack. But I can play poker and blackjack online, too. In any case, if and when I get enough money to take a reasonable vacation, I don't want to go to Vegas. Know where I'd rather go? Hawaii.

@digheanurag

Жыл бұрын

I'd never move from California as a native Californian, but if anywhere else Hawaii would be my go to spot. Vegas and all those desert spots are not sustainable.

I definitely wonder about one question you brought up. Do native Hawaiians learn about the other culture they’ve transplanted to…. I think it requires a lot of effort to do so and that’s why even when expats or digital nomads try to acclimate to a culture of another place, they end up in little communities of their own kind. It takes probably the effort of both parties too…

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment. I asked that because of how many locals in Hawaii feel that transplants who move here should learn about Hawaii's culture. Seems inconsistent if we expect others to learn about our culture if they move here, but we don't do the same when we move somewhere else.

yes, as we left, they left to return to the islands. I think that cycle is repeat over and over thousands of time here. Thanks

I live near Portland and work for a Hawaiian company. Many of our employees are from Hawaii. They simply can't afford to live there anymore, so they come to the mainland.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

It's too bad. Glad to hear a Hawaii company is hiring locals, though.

The disproportion in disparity is eye-widening. The loss of quality of life is palpable. Sure, negotiating romantic/idealistic/nostalgic expectations of coming back "home" is a necessary reality check. Non-negotiables however to any "home": safety and potential for growth/thriving and freedom. How much does one bargain our emotional/spiritual ties and quality of life to trap ourselves/obligate ourselves to an environment and trends of further non-thriving? But how much unsustainability does one tolerate like a frog in slow boiling water? It is legitimately heartbreaking. It's time for a reframe of what gives us fulfillment and quality of life in the short term or long term. Mahalo for the chance to reflect.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for the insight 🤙

i was born in Hawaii grew up i went to August Arens Elementary Waipahu Intermediate and wen grad from Waipahu High School den joined the Navy and retired in San Diego da only way i would move back is if i win the lotto which is very slim i have visited several times and wished i could move back home

Stay in Hawaii ! If you left I can tell you would regret it! 🌺🌴🌞🌊

@gx8841

Жыл бұрын

Totally. I moved to California to take care of a relative for a year and it is nowhere near the same aloha spirit. Was so glad to be back home.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

I did leave, but came back. Glad I moved back.

@tednguyen7258

Жыл бұрын

its not a choice ...if your broke you go

What about CA? Seems like the transition from the island to the desert is a bit more drastic than the island to the coast. There are many many neighborhoods and regions in CA, and depending on where you live, the cost of housing is also high. However, the difference is there are more job opportunitues and options that potentially make the housing / income ratio more pallatable. Parts of CA also have great public schools, which would be something to consider. That said, I think you will likely miss home (it's a short flight away though) if you made the move. But, at least it could be a short term goal to build more of a savings / nest egg before moving back to Hawaii in a few years.

Have to think about the future, no fresh water!!can't live without it.

I'm not disagreeing with your premise, but its the same problem in New York, San Francisco, Boston, London, Singapore, etc... Just because you're born in a place, doesn't mean you are entitled to live there forever at some comfort level you personally think is reasonable...homes in Hilo are half the price of those in Honolulu..

I have cousins moving to vegas because your bake to afford to buy a home when working and living in vegas. I live on the Big Island and I’m glad the land is way more affordable. I feel our political influence need to make a change for those born and raised in Hawaii. Plus the taxes is the roof. Those who have a hawaii drivers license and live 90% of the time should have a huge tax decrease. There should be more help for those waiting on the list to get their piece of land. Even if it meant a 8,000 foot lot because the land tend to cost more than the home being built. I don’t like to go to vegas. But I wonder if it’s because we have to work so hard for our families that we don’t have the extra money. We would rather save it. Just as a thought would you consider moving to the Big Island so you can buy a home. Such an excellent topic of conversation.

As native Mauiins. We moved to Eugene Oregon. 45 minutes to the beach. 45 minutes to the Cascade lakes hwy. Eugene has an Aloha Friday monthly. About 300 gather...We still have 4 kids in Kihei. They are coming to Oregon also.

if i ever live in Nevada, Henderson will be my ideal area.

California Hotel where "Aloha Spoken Here" really caters to Hawaiians...introduced many to Vegas...and the lower cost of living leads so many there permanently.

Not to change the subject, or make light of a very serious issue… but where you wen buy dat hat from? I like know!

I wonder if Vegas water prices are high?

Man this is from an outsiders perspective been to Hawaii once but if you’re hiking 12x a year and going to the beach once a year you might as well just live/work in Vegas and then fly to Hawaii once a year for vacation and you could hike/go to the beach the same number of times lol. You’ll also have way more money in the bank

I would love to move to Hawaii but I am doing a lot of the math to see if it is possible to live there. I am one person with a monthly salary of a teacher renting an apartment, and I would ship my car from Texas to there. I wonder if it would be enough? I would teach in Texas for about 6-8 years then move so I have a savings and teaching experience.

I’m leaving next month back to Vegas. Not because of cost of living. I own a home outright. Have a good job and lots of free time. I just can’t stand living in a state that tries to emulate California’s style of government and policies. First and last with mandates, a rail that’ll never get finished, politicians get arrested for corruption every month. It’s just not worth the price for anything anymore. Dining out at whatever surviving restaurant sucks. Kamaaina rates for hotels costs more than a suite on the strip! The people here keep voting for the same problems! It’s literally the definition of insanity! Native Hawaiians don’t even have the majority in the islands and it’ll only get worse because Hawaiian issues are just a money grab for new non-profits. I don’t even island hop to Oahu or Maui because I get more value in Nevada or Florida. If I was a visitor that dropped grands to come to Hawaii, I would be sickened by the cost of subpar products and services. Things change. Hawaii isn’t nice anymore. I have over 100 videos of beaches and parks in Hawaii. In the last 2 years of filming different spots, access to places are becoming more limited. Beach closures for over a year or declaring an area as protected environmentally keeps us out while mansions are built on the shores. Someone told me once that the roads tell the story of the town. They’re totally correct.

I lived in Hawaii for 3 years and thought it was very strange that Natives went on vacation to Las Vegas and many moved to Vegas. The mainland has so much to offer besides Vegas. Never understood the connection.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, lots of locals in Vegas. And of course, there's the gambling.

@freshprinceofdarkness

Жыл бұрын

Because Vegas was welcoming to us and our culture, made it an easy transition.

nice UH hat, where you get em?

A living wage in Hawaii is more like $40-$50 an hour not $12 or $18 so you can't justify that as a reason to raise the minimum wage. The minimum wage isn't designed to be a living wage... that's why it's the minimum wage.

If I move off island it will not be to Vegas. I spent 2 yers living 9n Utah and commuting to Las V. The job me flying down on Monday and back on Friday. Remember 911? I was in Vegas. (Good thing the company also provided hotel). I saw the good, bad and ugly. (mostly good). Right now, The wonders out weigh problems of Hawaii. Two of my adult chilldren live here still.too. Maybe if you change your KZreadr handle to someplace else I will follow ...😆😆

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

lol. Hello From Japan?

What is the definition of "local"? Do you need to have a certain percentage of Hawaiian to consider yourself local? Or how long do you have to live in Hawaii to be considered local? I live in Waipahu, my neighbor has three families living in a 4 bedroom house. But they all drive very nice cars and crowd the streets. Don't understand why they don't use the money they pay for the cars to buy a small place to live?

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

I made a video about "local" and what I'd consider when defining the term. People have different definitions, though. Yeah, I don't understand the car thing, but if you can get housing for free, it allows for other types of spending.

Have Faith, future looks promising for all to go back to your desired homelands and prosper again, but remember one world one race, we are all one, no matter where you are from. Be Positive, it's coming.

I'm here in Hawaii working. My first visit was in 1998 and I've seen first hand how much the people are struggling.... Aloha seems to be hurting....

Hawaii and Las Vegas have extremely close ties. I lived in Vegas for years and then got talked into moving to hawaii. But yea, Hawaii is expensive. But we all make it work.

What baffles me is even if a lot in hawaii say it’s getting hard to afford to live there, yet people spend thousands on illegal fireworks. And it’s getting worse. Explain that one. I moved to the 9th island and let me tell you it’s not all that cheaper here. Property tax is more. Car insurance is more. Sales tax is double here. But at least big furniture ships free here 😊. If you go strictly on housing alone yeah it’s more affordable here

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't understand the fireworks thing either. But still, nice to watch.

@wongmm

Жыл бұрын

but there's no state income tax in nevada

@islandsnow

Жыл бұрын

@@wongmm true but like I said a lot of other things are more expensive. Real estate taxes. Insurance. Car registration. Gas on par with hawaii.

@wongmm

Жыл бұрын

@@islandsnow agreed, but my point (which i didn't elaborate on) is with no state income tax in nevada, that's a much larger savings that would offset many of those more expensive items that you mentioned. for example, if you take an $80K income from Hawaii to Nevada, the effective state tax rate savings is approximately 7%, or $5,600. that extra $5,600 can go a long way in offsetting many of those more expensive items. well, at least food is cheaper!

I am someone who moved to Honolulu for 1 year after graduating collage. The work situation was the same for me. You either work super hard just to save a little bit of money or work 1 job just to get by but youre broke. I could see there was no way I would ever be able to afford a house living and working in Hawaii. I think the only way to make any good money in Hawaii is start your own business'. Otherwise you are always just working a low paying tourism job. Everyone in Hawaii has to work a lot harder than on the mainland. Even doctors are poorer in Hawaii. I moved back to the mainland for a job in the semiconductor industry. Its been about 20 years now and I own 2 houses. I still hope to move to Hawaii again one day but even with 2 houses the dream seems just out of reach.

Long time no see Chris.......I know a lot of locals who moved to Vegas including a lot of my in-laws because housing is too expensive. In fact, it's the highest in the nation. I have a feeling home prices will never go down. It has to do with inflation & the de-valutation of the USD. Hope I'm wrong......Aloha from Japan.

@AGhostInTheMachine

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hawaii not highest in nation

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, many locals are moving there. Sad to see.

But there’s no ocean in Nevada! It is income tax free tho! Whoo hoo! The migration has been happening for years. First to California, then Washington and Oregon. Now that those areas are getting expensive, Nevada, Texas and Tennessee are the up and coming “new” places. Hawaiian clubs, food, halaus etc are beginning to proliferate in these areas. Sadly none of these places stay cheap forever. When your housing ends up costing as much as a house in Hawaii, then you can afford to move back. You might have to downsize tho. Go from 3000 sq ft to 1500 sq ft on a postage stamp size lot. When we have a beach in our backyards, we take it for granted. It’s up to us to make conscious decisions to make the beautiful outdoors a part of our lives even when it’s hard and messy to do. A little sand or dirt never hurt anyone. It is hard to leave your roots but sometimes it becomes necessary for survival and quality of life. It’s a conundrum.

@HelloFromHawaii

Жыл бұрын

Mahalo for the comment. Haven't heard of people moving to Tennessee, but interesting. I know people that moved to South Carolina, though.

Lots of Hawaiians in that area , u even get sum Tahitians !! 🇵🇫