ZF forks need dialing. Bleed the air while sititng on the bike, pull 20-30ml of fluid and, if it's sprung correctly, it should handle nicely with proper settings. That's been my experience.

Whilst the Beta suspension is not for everyone I’m only 155lbs and so the Xtrainer suspension paired with the lower seat height has been perfect for me! Love the honest perspective you give!

@lpcmark

4 ай бұрын

Same here. I have no problems with the 2023 xt suspension.

@dejandezman6139

4 ай бұрын

​@@lpcmark, i didn't like it. The slightly faster ride on the slightly undulating macadam was quite unstable. I replaced the suspension quite soon, when the motorcycle was not even 10 hours old. I weigh about 80 kg.

I think the Rieju with KYB suspension, carb and kickstart is the way to go.

The problem with the bearings is solved..Race edition "24 has completely new, roller bearings. It is not objective to evaluate the ZF suspension on the motocross track. RR is a trail bike, race edition is a race bike. I don't agree with plastics either. When the rear fender breaks on the beta, the race can be completed. When the KTM is overturned, the fender does not break..the seat, side plastics and fender fall out and the ride is over. It's not about the quality of the plastics, but the design solution. All brands Beta, ktm, sherco have their +/- and not even one is the best, it's subjective. I drive BETA RACE EDITION "23 250 2t, I am very satisfied. I agree that the ability to change the character through the power valve and jetting is amazing!

Rieju mr300 pro has the very best suspension on any new bike,period! Kickstart as standard, and an awesome motor,can't be beat on price either! Have one and it's like riding on pavement, such a simple and tried & tested design, I wouldn't have anything else!

Hi , i had 2020 Sherco, and sold that for clutch and problem with ignition spool-it was too rich and spark plug went into hell so often. After that i bought Beta 22 race edition, i had no problem with the bike - i had Ktech cartridge in rear shock, small electric cables, kick start kit and no issues during 2 years. it was a great bike. Now i have 24 Sherco SE 300 again..( wanted just carburated bikes-BETA or Sherco)decided for Sherco for very good price for me, but put so many extra things from S3( footpegs, lowcompression head, break pedal...), recluse manual clutch and much more, now i think will be perfect for me....

as a Beta owner and content creator, i can completely agree with you that the suspension on the beta is really the only thing holding it back! i absolutely love my beta, but man the suspension just doesnt quite hold up like the ktm, or husky equivelant!

I have a 2023 300 RR race edition and I absolutely love it.

@adventurer67

5 ай бұрын

Same

I'm also very curious about the Fantic, but I'd like to know what the clutch it comes with is like. I have a Sherco 300 from 2023 and I love the bike, but I'm thinking about putting it up for a beta. I do technical enduro or hard enduro. Would you recommend switching from sherco to Beta with kyb suspensions?

The only issue on the 23 beta 300 RR is the ZF suspension, that's it. The engine, the chassis, the brakes, the clutch, the oil injection. the keihin carb are all brilliant. Right out the box the Beta is competitively rideable but the suspension is the biggest flaw and to be honest i'm not sure what people expect for the non premium machine in their line up, there's loads of videos like this. However, credit where it's due for your non biased opinion, its nice to see and good to hear your back on a beta Racing this time. I put KTECH ORVS system in my ZF suspension and it transformed the front and back, still not at KYB level after some valving work but 10 fold on the ZF suspension. My RR has 80 hours on it without a fault. 😃

@vladbronnikov9813

2 ай бұрын

As new beta owner I can say that it vibrates much more, more hassle with carbs, when it overheats you loose a lot of coolant, much less upgrading options. Only good thing that beta is easier to ride technical terrain due to less explosive power

@quickshiftpov

2 ай бұрын

@@vladbronnikov9813 definitely agree on vibration , there a bit shaky. Outside of that everything you've said is miles off the mark - the keihin carb needs very little adjusting to your altitude/riding and it's perfect beta even supplies all the data, sticking a fan & good coolant in the bike instantly resolves your overheating issue for the low down technical riding, without a fan, yeah the bike overheats 🤦 For any MY after 2020 There's an entire marketplace of upgrade parts from protection bits, power parts, bling items, chains/sprockets, pegs and everything in between coupled with one of the best customer service any manufacturer offers.

You made a hair trigger move getting that KTM , I mean if the beta worked but the suspension needed work , well heck the the suspension fixed .

Since 23 the bearing issues should be gone, I only know one case where they failed. On my 23 the plastics seem to be made of glass. I have replaced them with Polisport plastics and have a complete set of Acerbis on the shelf. The wiring is for sure the worst I have seen in a long time. Mine has the KYB suspension. I had three KYB forks on three different bikes and they all were pretty firm and did not use the full travel though I am heavy. Having said this, revalving is mandatory. Once this has been done the forks are a dream, better than anything WP has ever sold with the KTM XC's and EXC's. The best part of the Beta : it is not a KTM. Not an orange one nor a white or red one...

Do you remember what jetting do you have on your beta?

Is this guy even *aware* that suspension can be re-valved /modified to suit riding style and/or terrain ???

Just buy the bike you want, and if you have no preferense buy the one you can get the best deal. There is no perfect bike. A good rider can ride any bike and any bike can be made good by mods. All bikes have more potential stock than 98% of riders can make use of. That said, i mod my bike because i want to, make it better/easyer for me to ride and enjoy.

weird how everybody is saying beta plastics are bad. I had good luck with mine after 600 hours on different betas. the only time one broke was the front fender, when I overshoot a jump and landet on a straight. but also there just the black reinforcementbrackit above the fender snapped off. The fender itself was fine. (2018 Beta)

My son has a 2023 200rr its a fantastic bike for novice and intermediate riders that are not trying to race or jump. I'm 6'1 and hauls my fat ass up moat hills and trails that are in my expertise. I am in the market for a new 2023 or used 2022 300rr. Im selling my 450fx because how much we've had on my sons 200rr. I feel like my 450fx is a way to powerful for me and it gets really hot on certain trails also if i am not riding fast. Ive never rode a 300rr but im just going to buy one anyway. They habe great deals on 2023s right now. Thank you for the video

On my 2023 Beta I put on a set of Dal Soggio forks. For me personally I find them nicer than the KYB forks on the race edition. Any upgrade is better than no upgrade When it comes to Bata suspension on the 2 stroke bikes.

@chadrides914

5 ай бұрын

Dosoggio oh yeh those brand forks. Hahahahha AINT NOBODY HEARD OF DOSOGGIO forks 🤦

Beta is good bike. Cheap to maintain . Reliable. Takes abuse on enduro without engine failure. Yes theres always a mod but if you have had any other bike its the same story all comes down to spares availability in ure area and cost of ownership beta does 200 hours on a piston its that reliable

From what i understand, some of the betas were left outside in a dock yard in the desert sun during covid & it caused the plastics to get brittle.

I sold my 2020 beta rr300 for a 2023 Sherco se 300 factory. I wish I stayed with beta. The motor, clutch were so much better on the Beta, I find the stock Sherco KYB suspension way too harsh for enduro. It needs work

I think I'll stick to my 17 300 exc . Not entirely without fault but is pretty tough

I had a 2023 300rr that had a crank bearing failure at 19 hours. It was covered under warranty but certainly a headache to deal with and a terrible day pushing it out of the woods by myself. The fact they claim they fixed this issue and it still happened on a new bike was enough for me to not ride a beta anymore.

@bobbybecker8834

6 ай бұрын

@@handsup74 yeah it's a shame because it's such an amazing ride. I just can't trust them after that

@dejandezman6139

4 ай бұрын

Buy a Beta they said

@jne232

Ай бұрын

Very unfortunate. I really wonder if KTM would have honored a warranty at 19 hours like Beta did. I've heard of Beta honoring warranty stuff years later after purchasing new...that is standng behind your product. I cant imaginge dropping $12k on a KTM and spending $1200 replacing the cylinder and piston the first year!

@bobbybecker8834

Ай бұрын

@@jne232 I doubt ktm would cover it. But the local beta dealer says they see an alarming amount of failures. Just because the "warranty" is good shouldn't cover up the fact that it's an issue. It left me stranded in the woods in mid 90s summer day it was deadly pushing that thing out lol. I loved how that beta rode but I can't trust it anymore. May have been the best two stroke I've been on

@jne232

Ай бұрын

@@bobbybecker8834 I absolutley understand where you're coming from and I totally agree, a warranty should not simply cover a known issue. I guess what I meant is, I bought a 24' Beta 300 RR RE. Before I went with the Beta, I've always had KTM products. However, after forums, KZread etc., I got scared off of a 24' 300 XC due to the reports and videos of the pistons shattering and trashing cylinders and bottom ends. I also got scared of the reports of the main bearing issues on the older Beta's. So I said to myself, both brands have known issues, which do I go with? Well, since they are both going to have problems, I'll take the one that actually has after sale support and cost thousands less. Outside of Harley Davidson, I am the farthest from brand loyal and if Beta sucks too, well there is always Yamaha next.

I brought a brand new 2017 390 rrs and fuel pump and brain broke after 2 hour in Canada the part was not easy to find it take like 6 week to the dealer to fix it I lose all my trust after that the next gonna be a honda no more Euro bike for me but I know they're great bike but maybe too fragile and picky for me ✌🏾

Your cylinder shows classic seizure and the piston shows classic signs of over rev. Just watching your videos shows me you need to rebuild your top end more frequently. I would be willing to bet the over rev caused a crack and the crack resulted in expansion and seizure, or vis a versa I would also bet there is no difference between the quality of pistons and cylinders ktm uses. Vortex pistons are top quality although cast the way you guys rev your bikes to the moon and hold it under heavy load you should try weisco or a forged piston.

Dropped my Beta front fork oil to SAR2.5 made it just right

Hindsight is great.. when a simple shock change would make a big improvement..😂😂

@chadrides914

5 ай бұрын

Hahahah simple shock change yeh. But replacing the shock and forks is half the cost of this bike ya goon

@rebekahfrench5747

5 ай бұрын

@@chadrides914 given the fact half the goons out there spend that much or more on bling and crap to make up for their inability to ride i guess it don't matter either way..🤣🤣

@chadrides914

5 ай бұрын

@@rebekahfrench5747 beta’s f’n junk bud. Cranks lock up, electric goes to sheeit, and the seats are rock hard and 1” thick.

@rebekahfrench5747

5 ай бұрын

@@chadrides914 lucky i have a husky then aint it.. 😂😂

Great video, I have KYB on mu Beta, there're NOT the same package you get on the Yamaha's. Yam's have perfected their valving over the last 40 years, Beta have NOT, you will still need a revalve and maybe springs as well. Just fyi. I had a 20 300 TPI...Great bike to ride, but I had nothing but problems with it and sold it for a Beta.

@bikersoncall

2 ай бұрын

?? You had problems with the beta so you sold it for a Beta?

@philipsmith6152

2 ай бұрын

@@bikersoncall No I had a 300 and sold it for a Beta with KYB

The 24 KTMs (xc models) have much improved suspension

All it is is set up your suspension. I have a 22’ rr with Sachs zf suspension just with springs for your weight and I have a 23’ 300 race edition with kyb modded suspension for my weight. Honestly both are great. I can’t tell which is better. It’s simply setup. You can simply service suspension . Fuel injection and kicker option is straight is another reason why I’m not buying KTM.

Wow very well said, so much toxicity among the ktm die hards, just enjoy riding, stop bashing brands

Beta factory all way

I love my race edition.

I love the comments saying that the only thing beta lacks is suspension. Lmfao suspension is literally everything. Look at mountain bikes why do they cost so much? Suspension components are expensive! Not to mention ive never seen a beta that the forks dont hit the radiatora when fully turned 😂. Oh yeah and don't jump one on a motocross track you'll break the frame way too easy.

@chadrides914

5 ай бұрын

Make sure to never ride a Ktm tbi in the winter! The plugs foul and leave you stranded in the mountains. Happened to everyone I know running tbi

@lunatik6168

Ай бұрын

@@chadrides914 Snow and ice is the best fun you can have. Easier to buy some duct tape and cover 1 rad.

Not only the suspension but You didn’t mention the sky scraper height on the beta no good for riders under 5 10 (I only have little legs) in slow technical enduro where you need leg down and the vibration i wasn’t ready for hand numbing even feet numbing at 2.5/3hr enduros, that coming from mx 4 stokes and ridden TPIs! I have the beta 23 300rr fitted a ktech bladder kit and orvs forks has the rear lowered 20mm the suspension still very bad in my opinion simply can’t take a rough whooped out track no matter how it’s set up! My dash has also stopped working at 15hrs so kept a hard written note, The bottom end however is very lovely can crawl up hard terrain in 3rd even 4th no clutch, has every good rear traction and great adjustable with the jetting and power valve but I’ll still be swapping to a gas gas smooth engine feel and I don’t mind modulating the clutch

@E63s_Scott

6 ай бұрын

Frustrating I bought it wanting it to be the one get on, ride, have fun and improve my enduro skill but for me it aint that

Try TM Racing 2024 300 FI. 2024 models fixes few niggles 2023 has and is smoother

I have a 2015 beta 300rr race edition it has 260 hours on and still the best and most fun bike I have ever ridden especially for being a much shorter rider but still weighing 210lbs it had a few problems here and there but I can for sure say the beta is the perfect bike for a more beginner and shorter rider or just for someone that wants to have fun

I have an RR200 and a 350 Racing and you are 100% right about the standard ZF suspension. Both my bikes have had electrics issues with the map switch cable and the clocks. I completely agree with your point on brand loyalty… I just don’t understand understand it, all it does is limit your own choices and potential enjoyment 🤷🏼‍♂️

KTMs exploding pistons was main reason i went for Beta RR300 2022, bearing issues were solved. I got it cheaper for like 2000 euros than KTM, and i dont race, so maybe when my skill grow, i will appreciate better suspension. I hope Beta and other brands will improve, competition is important in every producing industry.

@DragonFury-gq5zo

5 ай бұрын

Could probably buy Ktm suspension with the leftover money

The 300RR suspension has taken me a little to get set up. BUT, I have been off the bike for 15+ years and we only rode moto bikes back then, the KX's I rode back then loved to just be slammed into everything so it was a different riding style. Starting to feel comfortable on the Beta now though.

As someone who is trying to get into this sport and is a complete novice on anything off-road related, what is your opinion on some of the Japanese bikes? A lot of them, especially the Kawasaki and Yamaha bikes, seem to be tricked out with a lot of premium features while being anywhere from $3k to $5.5k cheaper than their European (Austrian) counterparts. I would really appreciate it if someone could give me a good bike recommendation. Thanks 😊

@toddborn1365

6 ай бұрын

Japanese bikes are wayyy behind in the enduro scene. There good mx bikes. But KTM is king of enduro bikes. The Japanese bikes don’t even have an electric start. There not counterbalanced. They don’t have brembo brakes and clutch. They have no power valve. There heavier and stuck in the early 2000’s. You think your saving money but just end up spending all that money back just to get it right like a stock ktm.

Beta is a great brand. A great company. I have a 22 390rrs and a 23 200 race and they are great bikes in my opinion.

I had a Stock rr 300 from 2018 and i always wondered why iam Not Abel to Go fast. So i bought a kayaba Suspension. Surprise surprise my riding Level changed instantly. But now riding a 300 husqy and i love it

The Fantic seems like an awesome bike. The only thing I don’t like is how busy the engine looks for a 2t. Electronic pv tpi and tbi. Awesome for performance but maybe a nightmare if something goes wrong. Only time will tell

This guy sounds like a computer and it creeps me out.

My Beta is 80 hours old. No problems so far.

I agree. I traded my 2022 200rr for a 2023 200 rr re and its a big improvement

I'd take a beta over an Austrian brand just on looks alone. Beautiful machines.

Never had to install a bladder on my 300RR, and Kayaba sounds like a race snake requirement. In short it depends how fast you ride.

KTM has a known problem of pistons hitting the crank shaft at high rpm. There are a couple ways to fix it. mill 2mm of back side piston skirt or replace with aftermarket piston. I am eagerly waiting for the '24 300RE's to hit the showroom. Only thing that could get in my way is if Fantic starts importing their bikes, then I would go for the 300XE. But Fantic better get off their butts because the Betas are coming in soon.

put 7.5w motorex oil in the front forks and you will see another beta

Cazin❤

Hello have you Fortnite

You base your decisions based on emotions thats a HORRIBLE idea. And yes ZF sucks.

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